[simpits-tech] Marvs SCC

Sat Jan 31 11:06:17 PST 2004

Craig, I can't dispute your shop cost estimates since I don't have any related experience - but when it's a hobbyist doing the work, the price is free.  Also, itsn't it possible that a CNC machine would reduce that time factor by quite a bit?  

And as to the quality comments I made - that is driven by the guy doing the work. I'm sure your plans will be outstanding, as all reports are that your F-16 arm wrestling device is just as accurate in effect as Marv's.  No, my remarks were aimed at the reputation Marv has for doing high quality work, and when there was a chance of acquiring what he's produced at a price more like $1K to $1.5K, I was aghast, but still a willing customer.

Steve
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Craig Rochester 
  To: Simulator Cockpit tech list 
  Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 6:54 AM
  Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Marvs SCC

  Hi Steve,

  You wrote:

  "At least with Craig and Dave's homebrew plans, the cost is sure to be a heckuva lot less than 2.5 G's"

  Dave estimated the shop time to produce the Viperpit.org SSC @ about 40 hrs.   Let me pull a $/hr out of my bum --> $60.   That's $2,400 just for the machining.  Of course that's for a single unit and multiple units would bring this down some, but unless it were mass produced in China,  it wouldn't reduce the price that much.

  "It certainly isn't going to be the same quality as you are likely to produce"

  This is NOT certain.  The Viperpit.org worked to the exact specifications for the real SSC.  Dave's machining is second to none.  I'm not taking anything away from Marv's work, but on what basis do you make your quality assumption?

  Craig R.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
  [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org]On Behalf Of Steve Wilson
  Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 3:32 AM
  To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
  Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Marvs SCC

  Marv, the price is what it is.  You deserve to be compensated for your costs
  and efforts, and Chris Mihok has to get his cut too, since he's your front
  man and distributor.  It doesn't help, though, that a project that as
  originally touted as something for simpit builders ended up being so doggone
  good it was priced more for Uncle Sugar and his henchmen at the Pentagon.
  Gads, good job dude, and way to go.  There's a perfectly understandable
  inflation factor there too.  I guess what's spouting off betwixt my ears
  here is the length of time I and a lot of other guys, both here and
  elsewhere, spent hoping the original was going to be something we could
  afford and would be available soon, a "soon" that was more like a year ago.

  And yes, I do understand that the timing of this project is something worked
  around *your* life and your convenience - you really never owed any of us
  anything!!  Bigtime.

  I also understand you may have a lesser priced version at some point - but
  how can I or anyone else ask you to look into your crystal ball and ask how
  far in the future that's going to be?  At least with Craig and Dave's
  homebrew plans, the cost is sure to be a heckuva lot less than 2.5 G's and
  the timing only limited by our ability to get our own parts done.  It
  certainly isn't going to be the same quality as you are likely to produce I
  know, and I regret that.  The real thing is that, at some point, the
  arrogance in me actually expects to finish building cockpit(s) and to get
  down to the task of learning how to be the best F-16 sim driver that I can
  be.  That's the goal, at least for me.

  But all that **whining** aside, Marv, go sell the thing, go sell a thousand
  of 'em.  You really don't owe me an apology for the price, but thanks
  anyway.

  It's not often that one's efforts in a hobby can be turned into something
  worth literally thousands of dollars, and can actually help defend this fine
  land of ours at the same time, at least indirectly.  For that
  accomplishment, you have my respect.

  Steve

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Marv De Beque" <mdebeque at woh.rr.com>
  To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 3:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Marvs SCC

  > Steve,
  >
  > Sorry about the cost, but the sale price obviously represents my cost for
  > the components, too.
  >
  > That is why we're considering a home builder version.  Hopefully, that
  will
  > address this market.  I'll keep you posted as things develop.
  >
  > Marv
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > On 1/30/04 12:48 PM, "Steve Wilson" <mafsix at hotmail.com> wrote:
  >
  > > I got an unsolicited email from my ol' pal Chris Mihok yesterday (ACC
  Prez).
  > > $2,520.00 - based on them selling 12 units.  No change from the last
  time I
  > > got the info from Marv here in this fine forum.  I'm sure at that price
  a
  > > variety of buyers, mainly government/military, will buy them.  Certainly
  a
  > > nice thing to have, but apparently not aimed at the casual simpit
  builder.
  > > I spent just over a grand on my rudder pedals, so I don't mind spending
  > > serious cash on a part for my overpriced playpen.  But even I have my
  > > limits!  ;-)
  > >
  > > Steve W.
  > >
  > >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: "Michi Hirczy" <mi.hi at gmx.net>
  > > To: <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
  > > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 1:03 AM
  > > Subject: [simpits-tech] Marvs SCC
  > >
  > >
  > >> Hey, Marv!
  > >>
  > >> I actually read the announcement at sim-news.com, that you teamed up
  > >> with Advanced Computer Concepts for your SSC. Do you have any pricing
  > >> information (i.e. nothing has changed since last time, about 1.500,-)?
  > >>
  > >> greetings
  > >> michi
  > >> --
  > >> lg, michi
  > >>
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