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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Craig, I can't dispute your shop cost estimates
since I don't have any related experience - but when it's a hobbyist doing the
work, the price is free. Also, itsn't it possible that a CNC machine would
reduce that time factor by quite a bit? </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And as to the quality comments I made - that is
driven by the guy doing the work. I'm sure your plans will be outstanding, as
all reports are that your F-16 arm wrestling device is just as accurate in
effect as Marv's. No, my remarks were aimed at the reputation Marv has for
doing high quality work, and when there was a chance of acquiring what he's
produced at a price more like $1K to $1.5K, I was aghast, but still a willing
customer.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steve</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=johncraigroch@msn.com href="mailto:johncraigroch@msn.com">Craig
Rochester</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=simpits-tech@simpits.org
href="mailto:simpits-tech@simpits.org">Simulator Cockpit tech list</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2004 6:54
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [simpits-tech] Marvs
SCC</DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>Hi Steve,<BR><BR>You wrote:<BR><BR><FONT color=#0000ff>"At
least with Craig and Dave's homebrew plans, the cost is sure to be a heckuva
lot less than 2.5 G's"</FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>Dave estimated the shop time to produce the Viperpit.org SSC @
about 40 hrs. Let me pull a $/hr out of my bum -->
$60. That's $2,400 just for the machining. Of course that's
for a single unit and multiple units would bring this down some, but unless it
were mass produced in China, it wouldn't reduce the price that
much.</FONT></P>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>"<FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#000000><FONT color=#0000ff>It certainly isn't going to be the same
quality as you are likely to produce"</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>This is NOT certain. The Viperpit.org worked to the
exact specifications for the real SSC. Dave's machining is second to
none. I'm not taking anything away from Marv's work, but on what basis
do you make your quality assumption?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Craig R.</FONT></DIV>
<P><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org<BR>[<A target=_blank
href="mailto:simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org">mailto:simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org</A>]On
Behalf Of Steve Wilson<BR>Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 3:32 AM<BR>To:
Simulator Cockpit tech list<BR>Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Marvs
SCC<BR><BR><BR>Marv, the price is what it is. You deserve to be
compensated for your costs<BR>and efforts, and Chris Mihok has to get his cut
too, since he's your front<BR>man and distributor. It doesn't help,
though, that a project that as<BR>originally touted as something for simpit
builders ended up being so doggone<BR>good it was priced more for Uncle Sugar
and his henchmen at the Pentagon.<BR>Gads, good job dude, and way to go.
There's a perfectly understandable<BR>inflation factor there too. I
guess what's spouting off betwixt my ears<BR>here is the length of time I and
a lot of other guys, both here and<BR>elsewhere, spent hoping the original was
going to be something we could<BR>afford and would be available soon, a "soon"
that was more like a year ago.<BR><BR>And yes, I do understand that the timing
of this project is something worked<BR>around *your* life and your convenience
- you really never owed any of us<BR>anything!! Bigtime.<BR><BR>I also
understand you may have a lesser priced version at some point - but<BR>how can
I or anyone else ask you to look into your crystal ball and ask how<BR>far in
the future that's going to be? At least with Craig and
Dave's<BR>homebrew plans, the cost is sure to be a heckuva lot less than 2.5
G's and<BR>the timing only limited by our ability to get our own parts
done. It<BR>certainly isn't going to be the same quality as you are
likely to produce I<BR>know, and I regret that. The real thing is that,
at some point, the<BR>arrogance in me actually expects to finish building
cockpit(s) and to get<BR>down to the task of learning how to be the best F-16
sim driver that I can<BR>be. That's the goal, at least for
me.<BR><BR>But all that **whining** aside, Marv, go sell the thing, go sell a
thousand<BR>of 'em. You really don't owe me an apology for the price,
but thanks<BR>anyway.<BR><BR>It's not often that one's efforts in a hobby can
be turned into something<BR>worth literally thousands of dollars, and can
actually help defend this fine<BR>land of ours at the same time, at least
indirectly. For that<BR>accomplishment, you have my
respect.<BR><BR>Steve<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Marv
De Beque" <mdebeque@woh.rr.com><BR>To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list"
<simpits-tech@simpits.org><BR>Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 3:28
PM<BR>Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Marvs SCC<BR><BR><BR>>
Steve,<BR>><BR>> Sorry about the cost, but the sale price obviously
represents my cost for<BR>> the components, too.<BR>><BR>> That is
why we're considering a home builder version. Hopefully,
that<BR>will<BR>> address this market. I'll keep you posted as things
develop.<BR>><BR>> Marv<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On
1/30/04 12:48 PM, "Steve Wilson" <mafsix@hotmail.com>
wrote:<BR>><BR>> > I got an unsolicited email from my ol' pal Chris
Mihok yesterday (ACC<BR>Prez).<BR>> > $2,520.00 - based on them selling
12 units. No change from the last<BR>time I<BR>> > got the info
from Marv here in this fine forum. I'm sure at that price<BR>a<BR>>
> variety of buyers, mainly government/military, will buy them.
Certainly<BR>a<BR>> > nice thing to have, but apparently not aimed at
the casual simpit<BR>builder.<BR>> > I spent just over a grand on my
rudder pedals, so I don't mind spending<BR>> > serious cash on a part
for my overpriced playpen. But even I have my<BR>> > limits!
;-)<BR>> ><BR>> > Steve W.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >
----- Original Message -----<BR>> > From: "Michi Hirczy"
<mi.hi@gmx.net><BR>> > To:
<simpits-tech@simpits.org><BR>> > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004
1:03 AM<BR>> > Subject: [simpits-tech] Marvs SCC<BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>> >> Hey, Marv!<BR>> >><BR>> >> I actually
read the announcement at sim-news.com, that you teamed up<BR>> >>
with Advanced Computer Concepts for your SSC. Do you have any pricing<BR>>
>> information (i.e. nothing has changed since last time, about
1.500,-)?<BR>> >><BR>> >> greetings<BR>> >>
michi<BR>> >> --<BR>> >> lg, michi<BR>> >><BR>>
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