[simpits-tech] ICP

Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:22:45 -0700

Mechanically that will function correctly, Frank.  We did try that same
technique too but we were not happy with the robustness of any four-way hat
switch that we found in Thrustmater type joysticks once we added an
appropriate "bat" to operate the switch with.

Our case may be somewhat pathological though -- the real ICP is something
like a half inch thick light plate/panel arrangement (has to be that thick
to accommodate the tile switch mechanisms I'd guess).  This means the
four-way switch body is recessed quite a way, requiring a longish "bat"
handle -- this ends up putting a lot of torque on the switch mechanism...the
original TM ones we tried just didn't work after a while.  That switch gets
quite the work out when you're flying along ;-)

Cheers,

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-
> admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Frank Riedel
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 9:56 AM
> To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] ICP
> 
> I used a 4 way moment (on) with center - from an old joystick...
> I belive that i can program the funcktion on this ! -
> agree og disagree ?
> 
> Frank
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Doran" <msdoran@attbi.com>
> To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:43 PM
> Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] ICP
> 
> 
> Yes, exactly.
> 
> That switch does show up occasionally on ebay if you keep a close watch.
> Still working on a more consistent source without paying full MILSPEC
> price
> for them (this one and the four-way DCS, I mean).
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-
> > admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Marv De Beque
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 3:23 AM
> > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] ICP
> >
> > Which position is the switch momentary?  Is it WARNING RESET?
> >
> > Marv
> >
> >
> > On 4/21/03 10:57 PM, "Mark Doran" <msdoran@attbi.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hang on a sec...
> > >
> > > The following things on the ICP cannot be made to work with Falcon4
> > (Block
> > > 50/52 answers):
> > >
> > > - Raster Brightness thumb wheel
> > > - Raster Contrast thumb wheel
> > > - WX button
> > > - FLIR up/dn rocker
> > > - Gain/level/auto toggle in FLIR section
> > >
> > > In all cases I believe these are not used in the Block 50/52 aircraft
> > > anyway.  Falcon4 certainly has no code for them.  We've wired them
> with
> > a
> > > view to using them as sim gear control buttons (like a switch to call
> > the
> > > EPIC INIT() function for example).
> > >
> > > All other controls can be mapped without great trouble to EPIC switch
> > and
> > > analog controls.
> > >
> > > What we are doing is mapping the HUD brightness command to the
> symbology
> > > intensity thumb wheel (upper left).  Since that command in the game
> only
> > has
> > > 6 states (i.e. 5 steps up and down) it works quite well mapped to an
> > analog
> > > axis input to EPIC with the keystrokes bound to the travel of that
> axis.
> > > Same deal for the manual reticle control on the upper right thumb
> wheel
> > with
> > > the reticle up/down game commands.
> > >
> > > Everything else on the ICP is a straight data bit switch as far as
> EPIC
> > > inputs are concerned.
> > >
> > > Actually the hard part with the ICP is finding the right switches -- a
> > > viable four-way bat switch for the DCS and the on-off-(on) [momentary
> to
> > one
> > > side only] switch for the drift cutout are not the easiest things to
> > > find...ebay highly recommended!!  Oh and we were able to acquire a
> > couple of
> > > actual ICP panels -- they have the "tile" switches built right
> in...once
> > > you've played with one of these, nothing else will do ;-)
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Mark.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-
> > admin@simpits.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Marv De Beque
> > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 4:07 PM
> > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] ICP
> > >
> > > One is logistical. How do you plan to make them? Rotary encoders are
> > > probably the best solution, but it depends on your design.
> > >
> > > EPIC has a rotary encoder module, but it isn't cheap.
> > >
> > > In other words, it is do-able, but at a price. Then you have to
> > consider
> > > what is gained by making them work.
> > >
> > > Marv
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/21/03 5:54 PM, "Frank Riedel" <frank@rezultat.dk> wrote:
> > > Okai !
> > > But when you say that those tumbwheels could probably work too...
> > > Could you please explain what the prob. is ?
> > > and how too make them work too ??
> > >
> > > All the best
> > > Frank
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Marv De Beque <mailto:mdebeque@woh.rr.com>
> > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 11:34 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] ICP
> > >
> > > You should be able to do them all, except the thumbwheels, but you
> could
> > > probably do those too if you wanted.
> > >
> > > On 4/21/03 3:58 PM, "Frank Riedel" <frank@rezultat.dk> wrote:
> > > Hi All !
> > > Will all the ICP funcktion be able to funcktion in my PIT ????
> > > Using EPIC....
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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