[simpits-tech] ICP

Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:31:27 +0200

Here you can see my ver. of that switch
http://www.rezultat.dk/f16/bad.htm

Frank

vervy stability... 4 microswitch in one.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Doran" <msdoran@attbi.com>
To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 7:22 PM
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] ICP

> Mechanically that will function correctly, Frank.  We did try that same
> technique too but we were not happy with the robustness of any four-way
hat
> switch that we found in Thrustmater type joysticks once we added an
> appropriate "bat" to operate the switch with.
>
> Our case may be somewhat pathological though -- the real ICP is something
> like a half inch thick light plate/panel arrangement (has to be that thick
> to accommodate the tile switch mechanisms I'd guess).  This means the
> four-way switch body is recessed quite a way, requiring a longish "bat"
> handle -- this ends up putting a lot of torque on the switch
mechanism...the
> original TM ones we tried just didn't work after a while.  That switch
gets
> quite the work out when you're flying along ;-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-
> > admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Frank Riedel
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 9:56 AM
> > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] ICP
> >
> > I used a 4 way moment (on) with center - from an old joystick...
> > I belive that i can program the funcktion on this ! -
> > agree og disagree ?
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Doran" <msdoran@attbi.com>
> > To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:43 PM
> > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] ICP
> >
> >
> > Yes, exactly.
> >
> > That switch does show up occasionally on ebay if you keep a close watch.
> > Still working on a more consistent source without paying full MILSPEC
> > price
> > for them (this one and the four-way DCS, I mean).
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Mark.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-
> > > admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Marv De Beque
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 3:23 AM
> > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] ICP
> > >
> > > Which position is the switch momentary?  Is it WARNING RESET?
> > >
> > > Marv
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/21/03 10:57 PM, "Mark Doran" <msdoran@attbi.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hang on a sec...
> > > >
> > > > The following things on the ICP cannot be made to work with Falcon4
> > > (Block
> > > > 50/52 answers):
> > > >
> > > > - Raster Brightness thumb wheel
> > > > - Raster Contrast thumb wheel
> > > > - WX button
> > > > - FLIR up/dn rocker
> > > > - Gain/level/auto toggle in FLIR section
> > > >
> > > > In all cases I believe these are not used in the Block 50/52
aircraft
> > > > anyway.  Falcon4 certainly has no code for them.  We've wired them
> > with
> > > a
> > > > view to using them as sim gear control buttons (like a switch to
call
> > > the
> > > > EPIC INIT() function for example).
> > > >
> > > > All other controls can be mapped without great trouble to EPIC
switch
> > > and
> > > > analog controls.
> > > >
> > > > What we are doing is mapping the HUD brightness command to the
> > symbology
> > > > intensity thumb wheel (upper left).  Since that command in the game
> > only
> > > has
> > > > 6 states (i.e. 5 steps up and down) it works quite well mapped to an
> > > analog
> > > > axis input to EPIC with the keystrokes bound to the travel of that
> > axis.
> > > > Same deal for the manual reticle control on the upper right thumb
> > wheel
> > > with
> > > > the reticle up/down game commands.
> > > >
> > > > Everything else on the ICP is a straight data bit switch as far as
> > EPIC
> > > > inputs are concerned.
> > > >
> > > > Actually the hard part with the ICP is finding the right switches --
a
> > > > viable four-way bat switch for the DCS and the on-off-(on)
[momentary
> > to
> > > one
> > > > side only] switch for the drift cutout are not the easiest things to
> > > > find...ebay highly recommended!!  Oh and we were able to acquire a
> > > couple of
> > > > actual ICP panels -- they have the "tile" switches built right
> > in...once
> > > > you've played with one of these, nothing else will do ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Mark.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-
> > > admin@simpits.org]
> > > > On Behalf Of Marv De Beque
> > > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 4:07 PM
> > > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] ICP
> > > >
> > > > One is logistical. How do you plan to make them? Rotary encoders are
> > > > probably the best solution, but it depends on your design.
> > > >
> > > > EPIC has a rotary encoder module, but it isn't cheap.
> > > >
> > > > In other words, it is do-able, but at a price. Then you have to
> > > consider
> > > > what is gained by making them work.
> > > >
> > > > Marv
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/21/03 5:54 PM, "Frank Riedel" <frank@rezultat.dk> wrote:
> > > > Okai !
> > > > But when you say that those tumbwheels could probably work too...
> > > > Could you please explain what the prob. is ?
> > > > and how too make them work too ??
> > > >
> > > > All the best
> > > > Frank
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Marv De Beque <mailto:mdebeque@woh.rr.com>
> > > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> > > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 11:34 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] ICP
> > > >
> > > > You should be able to do them all, except the thumbwheels, but you
> > could
> > > > probably do those too if you wanted.
> > > >
> > > > On 4/21/03 3:58 PM, "Frank Riedel" <frank@rezultat.dk> wrote:
> > > > Hi All !
> > > > Will all the ICP funcktion be able to funcktion in my PIT ????
> > > > Using EPIC....
> > > >
> > > > Frank
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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