[simpits-tech] MARV: Ejection Seat Relocation

Steve Wilson simpits-tech@simpits.org
Sat, 5 Oct 2002 12:50:41 -0400


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<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D2>Seems like that's happening more=
 and more these days, eh?</FONT><br></div>
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<FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D2></FONT><div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"=
 SIZE=3D2>Steve</FONT><br></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D2>;-)</FONT>
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<FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D2>--
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 Steve Wilson, mafsix@attbi.com on 10/05/2002
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On Sat, 05 Oct 2002 11:38:52 -0400, Marv De Beque wrote:<br>
::::<br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; I see. &nbsp;Looks like I can=
 make some sort of adapter to work</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; with the Cougar.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; Unfortunately, Thrustmaster=
 changed the gender of the threads</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; on the grip.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; --</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">::::</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">::::</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;From: Steve Wilson=
 &lt;mafsix@attbi.com&gt;</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;Reply-To:=
 simpits-tech@simpits.org</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002=
 09:15:54 -0400</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;To:=
 &lt;simpits-tech@simpits.org&gt;</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;Subject: Re:=
 [simpits-tech] MARV: Ejection Seat Relocation</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;If you follow the=
 link that Chris provided, Marv...</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;<a=
 href=3D"http://cougarpages.f4freeware.net/">http://cougarpages.f4f=
reeware.net/</a></FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;...you'll see more=
 Cougar guts than you could ever hope to</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; via the web.=
 &nbsp;And</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;by the way, when I=
 speak of the core, I'm talking about the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; portion of the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;stick that's in the=
 base, not the removeable handgrip. &nbsp;I've</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; retained that as</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;completely original=
 in my rework.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;Steve</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;--</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;Steve Wilson,=
 mafsix@attbi.com on 10/05/2002</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;On Sat, 05 Oct 2002=
 08:57:18 -0400, Marv De Beque wrote:</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;::::</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; Well, I=
 need to see a Cougar, but my hope is to make</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; my base</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; so you=
 simply</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; screw the=
 Cougar grip onto the base, just like a real</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; grip.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;::::</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; I will=
 also make adapters for real F-16 grips, too.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;::::</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;::::</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;::::</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 --</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;::::</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;::::</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;From: Steve Wilson=
 &lt;mafsix@attbi.com&gt;</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 19:56:06 -0400</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;To: &lt;simpits-tech@simpits.org&gt;</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] MARV: Ejection=
 Seat</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; Relocation</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;The main Cougar core is cast metal, Marv.=
 &nbsp;Folks</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; have</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 complained that the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;metal used is somewhat soft, since it also forms=
 the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; bearings=
 for the joystick</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;gimbal pivots, and they tend to develop=
 minute</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; amounts of</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &quot;play&quot; over time.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;This leads me to believe that the cast core=
 could</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; break if</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; subjected=
 to</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;repetitive force loads of the RW F-16=
 variety.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; Moving the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; pivot=
 from the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;center of the housing 2&quot; lower into the base=
 should</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; result</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; in=
 approximately</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;1/2&quot; tp 1&quot; of play, which will translate to=
 about 3</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; - 4</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; times=
 that at a</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;distance of approximately 12 - 15&quot; from the=
 pivot</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; (not to</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; mention a=
 reduced</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;force load due to the increased lever arm).=
 &nbsp;This</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; movement</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; could be=
 translated</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;to a standard joystick gimbal that incorporates=
 the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; stock</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; Cougar=
 pots,</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;something I'd really like to do, given=
 their</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; precision and</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; proven=
 interface</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;with the Coug's electronics. &nbsp;Once one nips=
 the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; gimbal</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; pivots=
 off of the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;Cougar core, it will slide into 3/4&quot; gas pipe=
 with</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; room to</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; spare.=
 &nbsp;This forms</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;the beginning of a new core that extends=
 the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; afformentioned</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; 12 -=
 15&quot;, albeit</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;stepped down at some point to 1/2&quot; gas pipe,=
 and</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; mounted in</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; a new=
 gimbal</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;composed of inline skate bearings. &nbsp;I want=
 &quot;robust&quot;</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; too, but</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; with a=
 degree of</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;play more closely matched to my superspiffy=
 pedals.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; ;-)</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;Thanks for the detailed info, and the terrific=
 war</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; story.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; Sounds=
 like the guy</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;should have put out a line for some good=
 fishing,</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; if he was</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; that=
 close to</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;scoopin' soup. ;-)</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;Steve</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;--</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;Steve Wilson, mafsix@attbi.com on=
 10/04/2002</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 18:54:58 -0400, Marv De=
 Beque</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; wrote:</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; The flight recorder recorded 100 lbs.=
 of</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; force on the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; grip=
 as</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; he pulled back like a maniac.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; My point is, the F-16 grip is very=
 robust.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; As a</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; design=
 goal,</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; my stick will easily handle that force,=
 but</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; I don't</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp; know how=
 ::::</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;&nbsp;well a Cougar will take it.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: &nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;:::: &nbsp;=
 &gt;</FONT><br>
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