[simpits-tech] MARV: Ejection Seat Relocation
Steve Wilson
simpits-tech@simpits.org
Sat, 5 Oct 2002 12:50:41 -0400
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<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D2>Seems like that's happening more=
and more these days, eh?</FONT><br></div>
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<FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D2></FONT><div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"=
SIZE=3D2>Steve</FONT><br></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D2>;-)</FONT>
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<FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D2>--
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Steve Wilson, mafsix@attbi.com on 10/05/2002
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On Sat, 05 Oct 2002 11:38:52 -0400, Marv De Beque wrote:<br>
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<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: I see. Looks like I can=
make some sort of adapter to work</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: with the Cougar.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: Unfortunately, Thrustmaster=
changed the gender of the threads</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: on the grip.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: --</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">::::</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">::::</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > From: Steve Wilson=
<mafsix@attbi.com></FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > Reply-To:=
simpits-tech@simpits.org</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002=
09:15:54 -0400</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > To:=
<simpits-tech@simpits.org></FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > Subject: Re:=
[simpits-tech] MARV: Ejection Seat Relocation</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: ></FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > If you follow the=
link that Chris provided, Marv...</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: ></FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > <a=
href=3D"http://cougarpages.f4freeware.net/">http://cougarpages.f4f=
reeware.net/</a></FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: ></FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > ...you'll see more=
Cougar guts than you could ever hope to</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: via the web.=
And</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > by the way, when I=
speak of the core, I'm talking about the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: portion of the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > stick that's in the=
base, not the removeable handgrip. I've</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: retained that as</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > completely original=
in my rework.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: ></FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > Steve</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > --</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > Steve Wilson,=
mafsix@attbi.com on 10/05/2002</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: ></FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: ></FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > On Sat, 05 Oct 2002=
08:57:18 -0400, Marv De Beque wrote:</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > ::::</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: Well, I=
need to see a Cougar, but my hope is to make</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: my base</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: so you=
simply</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: screw the=
Cougar grip onto the base, just like a real</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: grip.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > ::::</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: I will=
also make adapters for real F-16 grips, too.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > ::::</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > ::::</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > ::::</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
--</FONT><br>
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> From: Steve Wilson=
<mafsix@attbi.com></FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 19:56:06 -0400</FONT><br>
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> To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org></FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] MARV: Ejection=
Seat</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: Relocation</FONT><br>
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></FONT><br>
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> The main Cougar core is cast metal, Marv.=
Folks</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: have</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
complained that the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> metal used is somewhat soft, since it also forms=
the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: bearings=
for the joystick</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> gimbal pivots, and they tend to develop=
minute</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: amounts of</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
"play" over time.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> This leads me to believe that the cast core=
could</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: break if</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: subjected=
to</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> repetitive force loads of the RW F-16=
variety.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: Moving the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: pivot=
from the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> center of the housing 2" lower into the base=
should</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: result</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: in=
approximately</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> 1/2" tp 1" of play, which will translate to=
about 3</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: - 4</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: times=
that at a</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> distance of approximately 12 - 15" from the=
pivot</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: (not to</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: mention a=
reduced</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> force load due to the increased lever arm).=
This</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: movement</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: could be=
translated</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> to a standard joystick gimbal that incorporates=
the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: stock</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: Cougar=
pots,</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> something I'd really like to do, given=
their</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: precision and</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: proven=
interface</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> with the Coug's electronics. Once one nips=
the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: gimbal</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: pivots=
off of the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> Cougar core, it will slide into 3/4" gas pipe=
with</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: room to</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: spare.=
This forms</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> the beginning of a new core that extends=
the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: afformentioned</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: 12 -=
15", albeit</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> stepped down at some point to 1/2" gas pipe,=
and</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: mounted in</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: a new=
gimbal</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> composed of inline skate bearings. I want=
"robust"</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: too, but</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: with a=
degree of</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> play more closely matched to my superspiffy=
pedals.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: ;-)</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
></FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> Thanks for the detailed info, and the terrific=
war</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: story.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: Sounds=
like the guy</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> should have put out a line for some good=
fishing,</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: if he was</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: that=
close to</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> scoopin' soup. ;-)</FONT><br>
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></FONT><br>
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> Steve</FONT><br>
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> --</FONT><br>
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> Steve Wilson, mafsix@attbi.com on=
10/04/2002</FONT><br>
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></FONT><br>
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></FONT><br>
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> On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 18:54:58 -0400, Marv De=
Beque</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: wrote:</FONT><br>
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></FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> :::: The flight recorder recorded 100 lbs.=
of</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: force on the</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: grip=
as</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> :::: he pulled back like a maniac.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> :::: My point is, the F-16 grip is very=
robust.</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: As a</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: design=
goal,</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> :::: my stick will easily handle that force,=
but</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: I don't</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: know how=
::::</FONT><br>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">:::: > :::: =
> well a Cougar will take it.</FONT><br>
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></FONT><br>
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