[simpits-tech] F-16 Ejection Seat configuration ...the last word!
Rob Hommel
simpits-tech@simpits.org
Fri, 7 Jun 2002 00:17:16 -0700
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What I want to know is why is Chris Woodul not a member of Simpits?
Chris if you need an invitation, you have got one.
And thanks for clearing up the history of the Stencel seat on ebay. I =
remember the auction and the person said that it was a stencil seat in =
the first place. Perhaps some of the Simpits crowd are not familiar with =
Stencel. Thank you again for the history lesson. Would you be interested =
in writing an article for the Simpits website on ejection seats, or any =
other subject you might feel comfortable with.
Keep 'em Flying
Rob Hommel
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Chris Woodul=20
To: Simpits-tech@simpits.org=20
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 6:58 PM
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-16 Ejection Seat configuration ...the last =
word!
HI I was doing a search online and saw the message thread about F-16 =
seats...including the proof of F-16s with red headrests.
I won the seat on Ebay, and had one other seat just like it before ( =
which was in worse shape)=20
The Seat on Ebay was a STENCEL SIIIS Ejection Seat, NOT an ACES II
The history goes like this:
The first two YF-16 Prototypes actually had Douglas ESCAPAC's in them =
( grey seats similar to the seat in the A-4 Skyhawk, and the early Navy =
A-7's)
The Eight FSD (FULL SCALE DEVELOPMENT) Aircraft had Stencel SIIIS =
Ejection seats in them. These seats are quite different in configuration =
and shape than the ACES II. The red you see on the head box area is =
actually a small cushion that is snapped onto the headbox( the seat I =
won off Ebay was missing the headbox, but I have a new one)
The Production Aircraft recieved the ACES II seats from what was then =
McDonnell Douglas ( which sold the seat line to Boeing which then sold =
the seat line to Goodrich)
Douglas won the deal of the century and trumped Stencel out of the =
Ejection Seats for the F-15 and F-16. I also have the F-15 prototype =
seat from Stencel.
Most ACES IIs have grey headrest pads ( which are actually little =
rectangles of rubber coated foam glued to a metal stamped plate. I have =
seen ( and own some ACES II's where the pads are Black) and in the case =
of the B-1B head rest pads are red (originally) but are also black , or =
grey. ( I have a B-1B ACES II in my collection and choose to display it =
with grey headrest pads, while retaining the Red Seat Cushions. ( B-1Bs =
are now recieving Greyish Lambskin Cushions, and F-16's, and F-15s are =
using Black Lambs wool cushions)
Early F-16 Parachute Container/Headbox assy's were green, while new =
seats ( or replacement units ) are black fabric ( and paint) for anti =
reflective purposes.=20
I currently own an F-16 ACES II and have five differnt models, and =
have had Four F-16 ACES II Seats in my collection over the years.
The Stencel is actually a little bit more comfortable, but both seats =
offer a nice feel.
In the Stencel the seat bucket moves for seat hieght adjustment, and =
in the ACES II the whole seat moves up and down.
I am a SimBuilder, An Ejection Seat Collector, and professionally =
employed in the Flight Simulation World.
I hope that this diatribe I just wrote is helpful to anyone who was =
concerned on this subject.
Sincerely,
Chris Woodul
To the webmaster, I am not subscribed to the discussion board....could =
you please post this message?
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<DIV>What I want to know is why is Chris Woodul not a member of =
Simpits?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Chris if you need an invitation, you have got one.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> And thanks for clearing up the history of the Stencel seat on =
ebay. I=20
remember the auction and the person said that it was a stencil seat in =
the first=20
place. Perhaps some of the Simpits crowd are not familiar with Stencel. =
Thank=20
you again for the history lesson. Would you be interested in writing an =
article=20
for the Simpits website on ejection seats, or any other subject you =
might feel=20
comfortable with.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Keep 'em Flying</DIV>
<DIV>Rob Hommel</DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dcrewstation1@charter.net =
href=3D"mailto:crewstation1@charter.net">Chris=20
Woodul</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3DSimpits-tech@simpits.org=20
href=3D"mailto:Simpits-tech@simpits.org">Simpits-tech@simpits.org</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 06, 2002 =
6:58=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [simpits-tech] F-16 =
Ejection=20
Seat configuration ...the last word!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>HI I was doing a search online and =
saw the=20
message thread about F-16 seats...including the proof of F-16s with =
red=20
headrests.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I won the seat on Ebay, and had one =
other seat=20
just like it before ( which was in worse shape) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Seat on Ebay was a STENCEL SIIIS =
Ejection=20
Seat, NOT an ACES II</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The history goes like =
this:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The first two YF-16 Prototypes =
actually had=20
Douglas ESCAPAC's in them ( grey seats similar to the seat in the A-4 =
Skyhawk,=20
and the early Navy A-7's)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Eight FSD (FULL SCALE =
DEVELOPMENT) Aircraft=20
had Stencel SIIIS Ejection seats in them. These seats are quite =
different in=20
configuration and shape than the ACES II. The red you see on the head =
box area=20
is actually a small cushion that is snapped onto the headbox( the seat =
I won=20
off Ebay was missing the headbox, but I have a new one)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Production Aircraft recieved the =
ACES II=20
seats from what was then McDonnell Douglas ( which sold the seat line =
to=20
Boeing which then sold the seat line to Goodrich)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Douglas won the deal of the century =
and trumped=20
Stencel out of the Ejection Seats for the F-15 and F-16. I also have =
the F-15=20
prototype seat from Stencel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Most ACES IIs have grey headrest pads =
( which are=20
actually little rectangles of rubber coated foam glued to a metal =
stamped=20
plate. I have seen ( and own some ACES II's where the pads are Black) =
and in=20
the case of the B-1B head rest pads are red (originally) but are also =
black ,=20
or grey. ( I have a B-1B ACES II in my collection and choose to =
display it=20
with grey headrest pads, while retaining the Red Seat Cushions. ( =
B-1Bs are=20
now recieving Greyish Lambskin Cushions, and F-16's, and F-15s are =
using Black=20
Lambs wool cushions)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Early F-16 Parachute =
Container/Headbox assy's=20
were green, while new seats ( or replacement units ) are black fabric =
( and=20
paint) for anti reflective purposes. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I currently own an F-16 ACES II and =
have five=20
differnt models, and have had Four F-16 ACES II Seats in my collection =
over=20
the years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Stencel is actually a little bit =
more=20
comfortable, but both seats offer a nice feel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the Stencel the seat bucket moves =
for seat=20
hieght adjustment, and in the ACES II the whole seat moves up and=20
down.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am a SimBuilder, An Ejection Seat =
Collector,=20
and professionally employed in the Flight Simulation =
World.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope that this diatribe I just =
wrote is helpful=20
to anyone who was concerned on this subject.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sincerely,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Chris Woodul</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To the webmaster, I am not subscribed =
to the=20
discussion board....could you please post this=20
message?<BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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