[simpits-tech] F-16 Ejection Seat configuration ...the last word!
Chris Woodul
simpits-tech@simpits.org
Thu, 6 Jun 2002 20:58:55 -0500
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HI I was doing a search online and saw the message thread about F-16 =
seats...including the proof of F-16s with red headrests.
I won the seat on Ebay, and had one other seat just like it before ( =
which was in worse shape)=20
The Seat on Ebay was a STENCEL SIIIS Ejection Seat, NOT an ACES II
The history goes like this:
The first two YF-16 Prototypes actually had Douglas ESCAPAC's in them ( =
grey seats similar to the seat in the A-4 Skyhawk, and the early Navy =
A-7's)
The Eight FSD (FULL SCALE DEVELOPMENT) Aircraft had Stencel SIIIS =
Ejection seats in them. These seats are quite different in configuration =
and shape than the ACES II. The red you see on the head box area is =
actually a small cushion that is snapped onto the headbox( the seat I =
won off Ebay was missing the headbox, but I have a new one)
The Production Aircraft recieved the ACES II seats from what was then =
McDonnell Douglas ( which sold the seat line to Boeing which then sold =
the seat line to Goodrich)
Douglas won the deal of the century and trumped Stencel out of the =
Ejection Seats for the F-15 and F-16. I also have the F-15 prototype =
seat from Stencel.
Most ACES IIs have grey headrest pads ( which are actually little =
rectangles of rubber coated foam glued to a metal stamped plate. I have =
seen ( and own some ACES II's where the pads are Black) and in the case =
of the B-1B head rest pads are red (originally) but are also black , or =
grey. ( I have a B-1B ACES II in my collection and choose to display it =
with grey headrest pads, while retaining the Red Seat Cushions. ( B-1Bs =
are now recieving Greyish Lambskin Cushions, and F-16's, and F-15s are =
using Black Lambs wool cushions)
Early F-16 Parachute Container/Headbox assy's were green, while new =
seats ( or replacement units ) are black fabric ( and paint) for anti =
reflective purposes.=20
I currently own an F-16 ACES II and have five differnt models, and have =
had Four F-16 ACES II Seats in my collection over the years.
The Stencel is actually a little bit more comfortable, but both seats =
offer a nice feel.
In the Stencel the seat bucket moves for seat hieght adjustment, and in =
the ACES II the whole seat moves up and down.
I am a SimBuilder, An Ejection Seat Collector, and professionally =
employed in the Flight Simulation World.
I hope that this diatribe I just wrote is helpful to anyone who was =
concerned on this subject.
Sincerely,
Chris Woodul
To the webmaster, I am not subscribed to the discussion board....could =
you please post this message?
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>HI I was doing a search online and saw =
the message=20
thread about F-16 seats...including the proof of F-16s with red=20
headrests.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I won the seat on Ebay, and had one =
other seat just=20
like it before ( which was in worse shape) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Seat on Ebay was a STENCEL SIIIS =
Ejection Seat,=20
NOT an ACES II</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The history goes like =
this:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The first two YF-16 Prototypes actually =
had Douglas=20
ESCAPAC's in them ( grey seats similar to the seat in the A-4 Skyhawk, =
and the=20
early Navy A-7's)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Eight FSD (FULL SCALE DEVELOPMENT) =
Aircraft had=20
Stencel SIIIS Ejection seats in them. These seats are quite different in =
configuration and shape than the ACES II. The red you see on the head =
box area=20
is actually a small cushion that is snapped onto the headbox( the seat I =
won off=20
Ebay was missing the headbox, but I have a new one)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Production Aircraft recieved the =
ACES II seats=20
from what was then McDonnell Douglas ( which sold the seat line to =
Boeing which=20
then sold the seat line to Goodrich)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Douglas won the deal of the century and =
trumped=20
Stencel out of the Ejection Seats for the F-15 and F-16. I also have the =
F-15=20
prototype seat from Stencel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Most ACES IIs have grey headrest pads ( =
which are=20
actually little rectangles of rubber coated foam glued to a metal =
stamped plate.=20
I have seen ( and own some ACES II's where the pads are Black) and in =
the case=20
of the B-1B head rest pads are red (originally) but are also black , or =
grey. (=20
I have a B-1B ACES II in my collection and choose to display it with =
grey=20
headrest pads, while retaining the Red Seat Cushions. ( B-1Bs are now =
recieving=20
Greyish Lambskin Cushions, and F-16's, and F-15s are using Black Lambs =
wool=20
cushions)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Early F-16 Parachute Container/Headbox =
assy's were=20
green, while new seats ( or replacement units ) are black fabric ( and =
paint)=20
for anti reflective purposes. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I currently own an F-16 ACES II and =
have five=20
differnt models, and have had Four F-16 ACES II Seats in my collection =
over the=20
years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Stencel is actually a little bit =
more=20
comfortable, but both seats offer a nice feel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the Stencel the seat bucket moves =
for seat=20
hieght adjustment, and in the ACES II the whole seat moves up and=20
down.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am a SimBuilder, An Ejection Seat =
Collector, and=20
professionally employed in the Flight Simulation World.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope that this diatribe I just wrote =
is helpful=20
to anyone who was concerned on this subject.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sincerely,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Chris Woodul</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To the webmaster, I am not subscribed =
to the=20
discussion board....could you please post this=20
message?<BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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