[simpits-tech] RE: F-16 flight
Chris Woodul
simpits-tech@simpits.org
Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:18:21 -0600
Hey Pilots have teeth too! ; )
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Hallows" <nutty@flyfoxy.com>
To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] RE: F-16 flight
> Wait a minute ..... let's not forget about the effects of flying different
> combat aircraft on pilot's teeth as well. That's got to be worth a ride or
> two for me. And given that I'm also a Materials Scientist, I can do some
in
> flight testing/measurements on other aspects of the aircraft.
>
> Man I fancy my chances now !!!
>
> No?
>
> Damn! Ok back to my PC sims then.
>
> James
>
> >There you go Doc!
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joseph Fagner" <crease-guard@attbi.com>
> >To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> >Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 10:35 PM
> >Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] RE: F-16 flight
> >
> >
> > > Hey Chris, tell them you need some outside Civilian medical opinions
too
> > > so I can score a ride. F-18, 16, 4, 14 don't care which one it is.
> > >
> > > Jay
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
> > > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Chris Woodul
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 10:06 PM
> > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] RE: F-16 flight
> > >
> > > Hi Brian,
> > >
> > > Like anything else, I cannot claim to be 100 percent right on this,
but
> > > I
> > > did have lots of involvement with that system in the 1997-1998 time
> > > frame,
> > > and I did study the bird before, during and after. The two seater that
> > > they
> > > had was kind of cool cause they used the single seat transparancy cut
in
> > > a
> > > special way to be used in a NEW metal frame for the back seat canopy.
If
> > > you
> > > look at a picture of one, the back seat canopy is tapered much
smaller
> > > than
> > > the front, so its really a clever cost saving utilization of an
existing
> > > design. There could have been some de-mothballing of this jet during
or
> > > right after the gulf war and this lucky woman ended up getting a ride.
> > > I am currently working a contract for my companies G-Cueing NACES seat
> > > that
> > > we do in partnership with Cranfield Aerospace in the UK. I am trying
to
> > > work
> > > a flight in a USN Test Pilots School F/A-18 to feel some of the
subltle
> > > nuances of "G"pressures exerted on a pilots body during certain
> > > manuvers.....but really, I just want another Jet
> > > Flight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > ; )
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Brian Sikkema" <hangr18@hotmail.com>
> > > To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 9:51 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] RE: F-16 flight
> > >
> > >
> > > > Interesting stuff, Chris! You've got me doubting it a bit more, but
it
> > > still
> > > > seems to stick out in my memory that it was a ride in an A-10... Of
> > > course
> > > > there's no way to check on the news report, it was so long ago that
I
> > > can
> > > > barely remember... I seem to recall it was around the Gulf War. But
if
> > > it
> > > is
> > > > true that it was grounded 18 years ago, then I must be wrong, no way
> > > do I
> > > > remember that from when I was 1! Heheh. But if it were <10 or so,
then
> > > I
> > > may
> > > > still be right. Or I may be completely full of it, both have been
> > > known to
> > > > happen from time to time! :)
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > > From: "Chris Woodul" <crewstation1@charter.net>
> > > > Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> > > > To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] RE: F-16 flight
> > > > Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:44:19 -0600
> > > >
> > > > Hi Brian,
> > > >
> > > > The two seater was around back in the late seventies when the A-10
was
> > > in
> > > > Production. I think it ended up at Edwards for an attempt at making
> > > the
> > > > backseaters station a dedicated WSO position ( after the trainer
> > > version
> > > > failed) but then that idea died as well. That two seater probably
has
> > > not
> > > > flown in 18 years?? I cant confirm this right off the bat. Until the
> > > 1990
> > > > invasion of Kuwait the A-10 itself was on its last legs. The USAF
did
> > > not
> > > > want it. All the flight simulators were scraped and sold off in the
> > > late
> > > > 80's. I worked on the UTD ( Unit Training Device) and in the process
I
> > > ended
> > > > up getting to keep an A-10A cockpit section that was cut off a real
> > > A-10
> > > at
> > > > Davis Monthan AFB ( AMARC) in Tuscon Az. I was thrilled cause they
> > > thought
> > > > that the cockpit was a piece of scrap that had no more use to them
> > > since
> > > > they had already reverse engineered it. I ended up trading it to a
> > > friend
> > > in
> > > > California who still has it today. I also got to see the plane they
> > > cut
> > > off
> > > > the cockpit from at DM in person. They had the front end proped up
on
> > > Wooden
> > > > crates to keep it level since it had no nose gear ( or nose for that
> > > matter)
> > > > It was almost a 16 foot long cockpit section with the titanium
bathtub
> > > in
> > > it
> > > > and the canopy etc. When at DMAFB that time I did look for the two
> > > seat
> > > A-10
> > > > in the rows but did not see it. It may reside at the Edwards AFB
> > > musuem in
> > > > California.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Brian Sikkema" <hangr18@hotmail.com>
> > > > To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 9:23 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] RE: F-16 flight
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 90% sure. This was some years ago... any idea when exactly it was
> > > > > mothballed?
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian
> > > > >
> > > > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > > > From: "Chris Woodul" <crewstation1@charter.net>
> > > > > Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> > > > > To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] RE: F-16 flight
> > > > > Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:15:48 -0600
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you sure? there was only one Two seat A-10 and it was a
> > > Fairchild
> > > > 'One
> > > > > Off' becuase the Hog was so easy to fly that the airforce found
no
> > > need
> > > > for
> > > > > a two seat coversion trainer. The only one I know of has not
flown
> > > in
> > > > many
> > > > > years and is in storage.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Brian Sikkema" <hangr18@hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 8:06 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] RE: F-16 flight
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I've heard of celebs getting flights before (hell a local TV
> > > > Anchorwoman
> > > > > > managed to score a flight in one of the VERY few 2-seat A-10's
> > > out
> > > > there,
> > > > > I
> > > > > > still wanna know how that happened), but firing a sidewinder?
> > > PILOTS
> > > > > don't
> > > > > > get to do that very often!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brian
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Somehow he scored a ride in viper and got to fly, pull 9G's
and
> > > fire
> > > > off
> > > > > a
> > > > > > >sidewinder.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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