[simpits-tech] To all - what do you guys think
Frank Riedel
simpits-tech@simpits.org
Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:24:20 +0100
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2AD0C.02065F20
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Re: [simpits-tech] To all - what do you guys thinkYou got a point there =
Marv, but if we/I make a wiring diagram for all the buttons and lamps in =
an F16 Block 50,
then we mabe can find someone there is hardcore on EPIC to make the code =
for it !... and then we
place the file for download "outthere" and by that way we have maked a =
"standard" for those to come !
Frank
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Marv De Beque=20
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org=20
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] To all - what do you guys think
Had thought about that and actually discussed that with a few people.
The idea has merit in that everybody has the same set up and we can =
share knowledge and debugging tips.
The reality is that it would take a lot of time to come to some =
agreement as to what the standard should be. Look at the aircraft =
industry and you see what I mean. ARINC standards are a good one, but =
they take years to come to a delusion and then nobody follows them when =
they do because of unforeseen needs.
Now, I would think that we could come to an agreement faster than =
ARINC does on a standard for EPIC. However, there are a number of us =
that already have work invested in their own cockpits and the associated =
wiring. Even if we reached an agreement, chances are everyone that =
already has stuffed wired up would be violating the new standard. How =
many of those people do you believe would rebuild their systems just to =
comply with a new standard?
Personally, I think the best hope is to find one or two others that =
are at the same development point as you are and hammer out a standard =
with input from anyone else that is interested. =20
Right now I am up to my eyeballs with alligators, so I don't have the =
time to invest in that part of the project. Otherwise, I would lend a =
hand.
Marv
On 12/26/02 4:03 AM, "Frank Riedel" <frank@rezultat.dk> wrote:
Hi all !
Idea is to make a standard way to wireing the EPIC =
Input/Output-module
to the panels and one EPIC-file by that way we have created a =
complet
F16 pit - that all newbees can use, (inclued my self)
All the best
Frank
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Marv De Beque <mailto:mdebeque@woh.rr.com> =20
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org=20
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] To all - what do you guys think
Not sure what the "idea" is that you are asking about.
On 12/25/02 7:10 PM, "Frank Riedel" <frank@rezultat.dk> wrote:
Is it a bad idea ???
Frank
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Frank Riedel <mailto:frank@rezultat.dk> =20
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org=20
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:52 AM
Subject: [simpits-tech] To all - what do you guys think
Hi Martin "Pegasus" and all other that can help !
Now that we are close to the year 2003, and we all
have make a fantastic work by collecting huge data about
simulator and by that way help one and another... include my =
self
I startet out collecting information and nowhow at January =
2002
and came out this year and have already make all panels with =
backlight
and now in construction face of my "pit" by help from ALL you =
guys...
THANKS ALOT ALL
I just need to wireing up all the panels... but when i come to =
programing i am
a real "NewBee" and other upcomming pitters will came in same =
situation, I
was thinking off makeing a standard connection (wiering) of =
all the panels.
I can make all the diagrams look here =
http://www.rezultat.dk/f16/full-wireing.htm =
<http://www.rezultat.dk/f16/full-wireing.htm> (Not finished)
Will any of you be able to program an EPIC-file after this =
diagram ???
if so... i think we then will have all drawings and =
wiering-diagram complet !
and do any of you have any changes and "=B4hint" to the =
diagram just speak out ! ! !
Frank
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "F16" <f16@xflight.de <mailto:f16@xflight.de> >
To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org =
<mailto:simpits-tech@simpits.org> >
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: AW: [simpits-tech] Epic hardware
> Hi Frank,
>=20
> the 64BTN modul you can buy - I think - only in Europe by =
MicroCockpit. To=20
> the 64BTN modul you must have an ABA modul. The 64BTN modul =
is for INPUT,=20
> the 32-point output modul is for OUTPUT. Here is a short =
description for=20
> the ABA-, 64BTN- and 32-point output modul (more see on my =
site=20
> (http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_sim_com_epc.htm =
<http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_sim_com_epc.htm> ):
>=20
> ABA modul:
> The ABA module is the heart of the system. You can connect =
up to 4 64BTN=20
> modules to it, as well as power 16 analog channels. This =
module is=20
> connected to the first expansion module by two flat cables.
>=20
> 64BTN modul:
> Up to 64 push-buttons or switches can be connected to this =
module. EPIC can=20
> then identify each of them. As EPIC registers any change of =
each switch and=20
> processes it separately, only one cable is required to power =
normal=20
> switches. The ABA can receive up to 4 64 BTN modules, which =
give you up to=20
> 256 different controls to be powered.
> On one 64BTN modul you can connect and checked 64 buttons, =
switches and=20
> other digital INPUT parts.
>=20
> 32-point output modul:
> Using this module, which is connected to the First Expansion =
Module via=20
> EPIC-Bus, up to 32 digital output channels can be powered. =
That means, that=20
> you can activate lights, electric motors and other devices. =
Each channel=20
> can handle 3 to 50V. Up to 4 Output Modules can be =
installed, giving you=20
> 128 channels to be used. On one output modul you can steer =
up to 32 LED,=20
> lamps or engines. This module is for the OUTPUT.
>=20
> I hope it is helpful for you.
> Martin "Pegasus"
>=20
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> Simpits-tech mailing list
> Simpits-tech@simpits.org <mailto:Simpits-tech@simpits.org>=20
> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech =
<http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech>=20
> To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of =
the above page. Thanks!
>=20
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2AD0C.02065F20
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Re: [simpits-tech] To all - what do you guys =
think</TITLE>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2722.900" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You got a point there Marv, but if we/I =
make a=20
wiring diagram for all the buttons and lamps in an F16 Block =
50,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>then we mabe can find someone there is =
hardcore on=20
EPIC to make the code for it !... and then we</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>place the file for download "outthere" =
and by that=20
way we have maked a "standard" for those to come !</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Frank</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dmdebeque@woh.rr.com =
href=3D"mailto:mdebeque@woh.rr.com">Marv De=20
Beque</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dsimpits-tech@simpits.org=20
href=3D"mailto:simpits-tech@simpits.org">simpits-tech@simpits.org</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 26, =
2002 3:22=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [simpits-tech] To =
all - what=20
do you guys think</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>Had thought about that and =
actually=20
discussed that with a few people.<BR><BR>The idea has merit in that =
everybody=20
has the same set up and we can share knowledge and debugging =
tips.<BR><BR>The=20
reality is that it would take a lot of time to come to some agreement =
as to=20
what the standard should be. Look at the aircraft industry and =
you see=20
what I mean. ARINC standards are a good one, but they take years =
to come=20
to a delusion and then nobody follows them when they do because of =
unforeseen=20
needs.<BR><BR>Now, I would think that we could come to an agreement =
faster=20
than ARINC does on a standard for EPIC. However, there are a =
number of=20
us that already have work invested in their own cockpits and the =
associated=20
wiring. Even if we reached an agreement, chances are everyone =
that=20
already has stuffed wired up would be violating the new standard.=20
How many of those people do you believe would rebuild =
their=20
systems just to comply with a new standard?<BR><BR>Personally, I think =
the=20
best hope is to find one or two others that are at the same =
development point=20
as you are and hammer out a standard with input from anyone else that =
is=20
interested. <BR><BR>Right now I am up to my eyeballs with =
alligators, so=20
I don=92t have the time to invest in that part of the project. =
Otherwise,=20
I would lend a hand.<BR><BR>Marv<BR><BR><BR>On 12/26/02 4:03 AM, =
"Frank=20
Riedel" <frank@rezultat.dk> wrote:<BR><BR></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>Hi all =
!<BR></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana><BR></FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>Idea is =
to make a=20
standard way to wireing the EPIC Input/Output-module<BR>to the =
panels and=20
one EPIC-file by that way we have created a complet<BR>F16 pit - =
that all=20
newbees can use, (inclued my self)<BR></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana><BR></FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>All the=20
best<BR>Frank<BR></FONT></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=3DVerdana>----- Original Message -----=20
<BR><B>From:</B> Marv De Beque <mailto:mdebeque@woh.rr.com>=20
<BR><B>To:</B> simpits-tech@simpits.org <BR><B>Sent:</B> =
Thursday,=20
December 26, 2002 3:19 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [simpits-tech] To =
all -=20
what do you guys think<BR><BR>Not sure what the =93idea=94 is that =
you=20
are asking about.<BR><BR>On 12/25/02 7:10 PM, "Frank Riedel" =
<frank@rezultat.dk> wrote:<BR><BR></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>Is it a bad idea=20
???<BR></FONT></FONT><FONT face=3DVerdana><BR></FONT><FONT =
size=3D2><FONT=20
face=3DArial>Frank<BR></FONT></FONT><FONT =
face=3DVerdana><BR>----- Original=20
Message ----- <BR></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=3DVerdana><B>From:</B> Frank Riedel=20
<mailto:frank@rezultat.dk> <BR><B>To:</B>=20
simpits-tech@simpits.org <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 23, =
2002=20
10:52 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> [simpits-tech] To all - what do =
you guys=20
think<BR><BR></FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>Hi =
Martin "Pegasus"=20
and all other that can help !<BR>Now that we are close to the =
year=20
2003, and we all<BR>have make a fantastic work by collecting =
huge data=20
about<BR>simulator and by that way help one and another... =
include my=20
self<BR>I startet out collecting information and nowhow at =
January=20
2002<BR>and came out this year and have already make all =
panels with=20
backlight<BR>and now in construction face of my "pit" by help =
from ALL=20
you guys...<BR>THANKS ALOT ALL<BR></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana><BR></FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>I =
just need to=20
wireing up all the panels... but when i come to programing i =
am<BR>a=20
real "NewBee" and other upcomming pitters will came in same =
situation,=20
I<BR>was thinking off makeing a standard connection (wiering) =
of all=20
the panels.<BR>I can make all the diagrams look here=20
http://www.rezultat.dk/f16/full-wireing.htm</FONT></FONT><FONT =
face=3DVerdana> =
<http://www.rezultat.dk/f16/full-wireing.htm>=20
</FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>(Not =
finished)<BR><B>Will any of=20
you be able to program an EPIC-file after this diagram =
???<BR></B>if=20
so... i think we then will have all drawings and =
wiering-diagram=20
complet !<BR>and do any of you have any changes and "=B4hint" =
to the=20
diagram just speak out ! ! !<BR></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana><BR></FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT=20
face=3DArial>Frank<BR></FONT></FONT><FONT =
face=3DVerdana><BR></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DVerdana><BR></FONT><FONT =
size=3D2><FONT=20
face=3DArial>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "F16"=20
<f16@xflight.de</FONT></FONT><FONT face=3DVerdana>=20
<mailto:f16@xflight.de> </FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT=20
face=3DArial>><BR>To: =
<simpits-tech@simpits.org</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana> <mailto:simpits-tech@simpits.org> =
</FONT><FONT=20
size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>><BR>Sent: Sunday, December 08, =
2002 12:14=20
PM<BR>Subject: AW: [simpits-tech] Epic =
hardware<BR></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial><BR><FONT size=3D2>> Hi Frank,<BR>> =
<BR>> the 64BTN=20
modul you can buy - I think - only in Europe by MicroCockpit. =
To=20
<BR>> the 64BTN modul you must have an ABA modul. The 64BTN =
modul=20
is for INPUT, <BR>> the 32-point output modul is for =
OUTPUT. Here=20
is a short description for <BR>> the ABA-, 64BTN- and =
32-point=20
output modul (more see on my site <BR>>=20
=
(http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_sim_com_epc.htm</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana> =
<http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_sim_com_epc.htm>=20
</FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>):<BR>> <BR>> =
ABA=20
modul:<BR>> The ABA module is the heart of the system. You =
can=20
connect up to 4 64BTN <BR>> modules to it, as well as power =
16=20
analog channels. This module is <BR>> connected to the =
first=20
expansion module by two flat cables.<BR>> <BR>> 64BTN=20
modul:<BR>> Up to 64 push-buttons or switches can be =
connected to=20
this module. EPIC can <BR>> then identify each of them. As =
EPIC=20
registers any change of each switch and <BR>> processes it=20
separately, only one cable is required to power normal =
<BR>>=20
switches. The ABA can receive up to 4 64 BTN modules, which =
give you=20
up to <BR>> 256 different controls to be powered.<BR>> =
On one=20
64BTN modul you can connect and checked 64 buttons, switches =
and=20
<BR>> other digital INPUT parts.<BR>> <BR>> 32-point =
output=20
modul:<BR>> Using this module, which is connected to the =
First=20
Expansion Module via <BR>> EPIC-Bus, up to 32 digital =
output=20
channels can be powered. That means, that <BR>> you can =
activate=20
lights, electric motors and other devices. Each channel =
<BR>> can=20
handle 3 to 50V. Up to 4 Output Modules can be installed, =
giving you=20
<BR>> 128 channels to be used. On one output modul you can =
steer up=20
to 32 LED, <BR>> lamps or engines. This module is for the=20
OUTPUT.<BR>> <BR>> I hope it is helpful for you.<BR>> =
Martin=20
"Pegasus"<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>=20
_______________________________________________<BR>> =
Simpits-tech=20
mailing list<BR>> =
Simpits-tech@simpits.org</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana> <mailto:Simpits-tech@simpits.org> =
<BR></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>>=20
=
http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana>=20
<http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech>=20
<BR></FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>> To =
unsubscribe, please=20
see the instructions at the bottom of the above page.=20
Thanks!<BR>> <BR></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2AD0C.02065F20--