[simpits-tech] To all - what do you guys think
Marv De Beque
simpits-tech@simpits.org
Thu, 26 Dec 2002 09:22:43 -0500
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Had thought about that and actually discussed that with a few people.
The idea has merit in that everybody has the same set up and we can share
knowledge and debugging tips.
The reality is that it would take a lot of time to come to some agreement a=
s
to what the standard should be. Look at the aircraft industry and you see
what I mean. ARINC standards are a good one, but they take years to come t=
o
a delusion and then nobody follows them when they do because of unforeseen
needs.
Now, I would think that we could come to an agreement faster than ARINC doe=
s
on a standard for EPIC. However, there are a number of us that already hav=
e
work invested in their own cockpits and the associated wiring. Even if we
reached an agreement, chances are everyone that already has stuffed wired u=
p
would be violating the new standard. How many of those people do you
believe would rebuild their systems just to comply with a new standard?
Personally, I think the best hope is to find one or two others that are at
the same development point as you are and hammer out a standard with input
from anyone else that is interested.
Right now I am up to my eyeballs with alligators, so I don=B9t have the time
to invest in that part of the project. Otherwise, I would lend a hand.
Marv
On 12/26/02 4:03 AM, "Frank Riedel" <frank@rezultat.dk> wrote:
> Hi all !
> =20
> Idea is to make a standard way to wireing the EPIC Input/Output-module
> to the panels and one EPIC-file by that way we have created a complet
> F16 pit - that all newbees can use, (inclued my self)
> =20
> All the best
> Frank
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Marv De Beque <mailto:mdebeque@woh.rr.com>
>> To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
>> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 3:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] To all - what do you guys think
>>=20
>> Not sure what the =93idea=94 is that you are asking about.
>>=20
>> On 12/25/02 7:10 PM, "Frank Riedel" <frank@rezultat.dk> wrote:
>>=20
>>> Is it a bad idea ???
>>>=20
>>> Frank
>>>=20
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Frank Riedel <mailto:frank@rezultat.dk>
>>>> To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:52 AM
>>>> Subject: [simpits-tech] To all - what do you guys think
>>>>=20
>>>> Hi Martin "Pegasus" and all other that can help !
>>>> Now that we are close to the year 2003, and we all
>>>> have make a fantastic work by collecting huge data about
>>>> simulator and by that way help one and another... include my self
>>>> I startet out collecting information and nowhow at January 2002
>>>> and came out this year and have already make all panels with backlight
>>>> and now in construction face of my "pit" by help from ALL you guys...
>>>> THANKS ALOT ALL
>>>>=20
>>>> I just need to wireing up all the panels... but when i come to program=
ing i
>>>> am
>>>> a real "NewBee" and other upcomming pitters will came in same situatio=
n, I
>>>> was thinking off makeing a standard connection (wiering) of all the pa=
nels.
>>>> I can make all the diagrams look here
>>>> http://www.rezultat.dk/f16/full-wireing.htm
>>>> <http://www.rezultat.dk/f16/full-wireing.htm> (Not finished)
>>>> Will any of you be able to program an EPIC-file after this diagram ???
>>>> if so... i think we then will have all drawings and wiering-diagram co=
mplet
>>>> !
>>>> and do any of you have any changes and "=B4hint" to the diagram just spe=
ak
>>>> out ! ! !
>>>>=20
>>>> Frank
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "F16" <f16@xflight.de <mailto:f16@xflight.de> >
>>>> To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org <mailto:simpits-tech@simpits.org> >
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 12:14 PM
>>>> Subject: AW: [simpits-tech] Epic hardware
>>>>=20
>>>>> > Hi Frank,
>>>>> >=20
>>>>> > the 64BTN modul you can buy - I think - only in Europe by MicroCock=
pit.
>>>>> To=20
>>>>> > the 64BTN modul you must have an ABA modul. The 64BTN modul is for
>>>>> INPUT,=20
>>>>> > the 32-point output modul is for OUTPUT. Here is a short descriptio=
n for
>>>>> > the ABA-, 64BTN- and 32-point output modul (more see on my site
>>>>> > (http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_sim_com_epc.htm
>>>>> <http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_sim_com_epc.htm> ):
>>>>> >=20
>>>>> > ABA modul:
>>>>> > The ABA module is the heart of the system. You can connect up to 4 =
64BTN
>>>>> > modules to it, as well as power 16 analog channels. This module is
>>>>> > connected to the first expansion module by two flat cables.
>>>>> >=20
>>>>> > 64BTN modul:
>>>>> > Up to 64 push-buttons or switches can be connected to this module. =
EPIC
>>>>> can=20
>>>>> > then identify each of them. As EPIC registers any change of each sw=
itch
>>>>> and=20
>>>>> > processes it separately, only one cable is required to power normal
>>>>> > switches. The ABA can receive up to 4 64 BTN modules, which give yo=
u up
>>>>> to=20
>>>>> > 256 different controls to be powered.
>>>>> > On one 64BTN modul you can connect and checked 64 buttons, switches=
and
>>>>> > other digital INPUT parts.
>>>>> >=20
>>>>> > 32-point output modul:
>>>>> > Using this module, which is connected to the First Expansion Module=
via
>>>>> > EPIC-Bus, up to 32 digital output channels can be powered. That mea=
ns,
>>>>> that=20
>>>>> > you can activate lights, electric motors and other devices. Each ch=
annel
>>>>> > can handle 3 to 50V. Up to 4 Output Modules can be installed, givin=
g you
>>>>> > 128 channels to be used. On one output modul you can steer up to 32=
LED,
>>>>> > lamps or engines. This module is for the OUTPUT.
>>>>> >=20
>>>>> > I hope it is helpful for you.
>>>>> > Martin "Pegasus"
>>>>> >=20
>>>>> >=20
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>>>> page. Thanks!
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<FONT FACE=3D"Verdana">Had thought about that and actually discussed that wit=
h a few people.<BR>
<BR>
The idea has merit in that everybody has the same set up and we can share k=
nowledge and debugging tips.<BR>
<BR>
The reality is that it would take a lot of time to come to some agreement a=
s to what the standard should be. Look at the aircraft industry and yo=
u see what I mean. ARINC standards are a good one, but they take years=
to come to a delusion and then nobody follows them when they do because of =
unforeseen needs.<BR>
<BR>
Now, I would think that we could come to an agreement faster than ARINC doe=
s on a standard for EPIC. However, there are a number of us that alrea=
dy have work invested in their own cockpits and the associated wiring.  =
;Even if we reached an agreement, chances are everyone that already has stuf=
fed wired up would be violating the new standard. How many of th=
ose people do you believe would rebuild their systems just to comply with a =
new standard?<BR>
<BR>
Personally, I think the best hope is to find one or two others that are at =
the same development point as you are and hammer out a standard with input f=
rom anyone else that is interested. <BR>
<BR>
Right now I am up to my eyeballs with alligators, so I don’t have the=
time to invest in that part of the project. Otherwise, I would lend a=
hand.<BR>
<BR>
Marv<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
On 12/26/02 4:03 AM, "Frank Riedel" <frank@rezultat.dk> wro=
te:<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Hi all !<BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Idea is to make a standard way to =
wireing the EPIC Input/Output-module<BR>
to the panels and one EPIC-file by that way we have created a complet<BR>
F16 pit - that all newbees can use, (inclued my self)<BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">All the best<BR>
Frank<BR>
</FONT></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana">----- Original Message -----=
<BR>
<B>From:</B> Marv De Beque <mailto:mdebeque@woh.rr.com> <BR>
<B>To:</B> simpits-tech@simpits.org <BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 26, 2002 3:19 AM<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> Re: [simpits-tech] To all - what do you guys think<BR>
<BR>
Not sure what the =93idea=94 is that you are asking about.<BR>
<BR>
On 12/25/02 7:10 PM, "Frank Riedel" <frank@rezultat.dk> wro=
te:<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Is it a bad idea ???<B=
R>
</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Frank<BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><BR>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>
</FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><B>From:</B> Frank Riedel <mailt=
o:frank@rezultat.dk> <BR>
<B>To:</B> simpits-tech@simpits.org <BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 23, 2002 10:52 AM<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> [simpits-tech] To all - what do you guys think<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Hi Martin "Pegasus" and =
all other that can help !<BR>
Now that we are close to the year 2003, and we all<BR>
have make a fantastic work by collecting huge data about<BR>
simulator and by that way help one and another... include my self<BR>
I startet out collecting information and nowhow at January 2002<BR>
and came out this year and have already make all panels with backlight<BR>
and now in construction face of my "pit" by help from ALL you guy=
s...<BR>
THANKS ALOT ALL<BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">I just need to wireing up all the =
panels... but when i come to programing i am<BR>
a real "NewBee" and other upcomming pitters will came in same sit=
uation, I<BR>
was thinking off makeing a standard connection (wiering) of all the panels.=
<BR>
I can make all the diagrams look here http://www.rezultat.dk/f16/full-wirei=
ng.htm</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"> <http://www.rezultat.dk/f16/ful=
l-wireing.htm> </FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">(Not finished)<BR=
>
<B>Will any of you be able to program an EPIC-file after this diagram ???<B=
R>
</B>if so... i think we then will have all drawings and wiering-diagram com=
plet !<BR>
and do any of you have any changes and "´hint" to the diagr=
am just speak out ! ! !<BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Frank<BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">----- Original Message ----- <BR>
From: "F16" <f16@xflight.de</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana">=
<mailto:f16@xflight.de> </FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">>=
<BR>
To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"> <mai=
lto:simpits-tech@simpits.org> </FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">&g=
t;<BR>
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 12:14 PM<BR>
Subject: AW: [simpits-tech] Epic hardware<BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D"2">> Hi Frank,<BR>
> <BR>
> the 64BTN modul you can buy - I think - only in Europe by MicroCockpit=
. To <BR>
> the 64BTN modul you must have an ABA modul. The 64BTN modul is for INP=
UT, <BR>
> the 32-point output modul is for OUTPUT. Here is a short description f=
or <BR>
> the ABA-, 64BTN- and 32-point output modul (more see on my site <BR>
> (http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_sim_com_epc.htm</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D=
"Verdana"> <http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_sim_com_epc.htm> </FONT><FONT=
SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">):<BR>
> <BR>
> ABA modul:<BR>
> The ABA module is the heart of the system. You can connect up to 4 64B=
TN <BR>
> modules to it, as well as power 16 analog channels. This module is <BR=
>
> connected to the first expansion module by two flat cables.<BR>
> <BR>
> 64BTN modul:<BR>
> Up to 64 push-buttons or switches can be connected to this module. EPI=
C can <BR>
> then identify each of them. As EPIC registers any change of each switc=
h and <BR>
> processes it separately, only one cable is required to power normal <B=
R>
> switches. The ABA can receive up to 4 64 BTN modules, which give you u=
p to <BR>
> 256 different controls to be powered.<BR>
> On one 64BTN modul you can connect and checked 64 buttons, switches an=
d <BR>
> other digital INPUT parts.<BR>
> <BR>
> 32-point output modul:<BR>
> Using this module, which is connected to the First Expansion Module vi=
a <BR>
> EPIC-Bus, up to 32 digital output channels can be powered. That means,=
that <BR>
> you can activate lights, electric motors and other devices. Each chann=
el <BR>
> can handle 3 to 50V. Up to 4 Output Modules can be installed, giving y=
ou <BR>
> 128 channels to be used. On one output modul you can steer up to 32 LE=
D, <BR>
> lamps or engines. This module is for the OUTPUT.<BR>
> <BR>
> I hope it is helpful for you.<BR>
> Martin "Pegasus"<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> _______________________________________________<BR>
> Simpits-tech mailing list<BR>
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