AW: AW: [simpits-tech] Cougar Mod extension - Request suggestionandfeedback

Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:45:21 +0200

Hello Marv,

this is the best news in weeks :)))
So if I manage to find the corresponding cannon-counterpart, it is most like
possible to get it working? What material do you make the stick base of? Is
it some metal or s.th. like epoxy??? If I'ld just have your skills :P

Therefore I got very good news for you fellow simpitters:

Yesterday I established contact with a private project group, call it the
"Linux" of military flight sims. They are working on a very promissing
simulation software and wait for input to make this thing better. Sure they
are also loking for alot of helping hands. I mentioned that the possibility
to export any data, also HUD and MFD would be a jewel to the simpit
community! If we manage to do a list of what THE PERFECT simulation software
should be able to do, I can forward it to them and we have a good chance
that our wishes get developped. I will provide you with some more
information during that day - includeing some screenshots.

Cheers,

Marc

> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]Im Auftrag von Marv RR
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. April 2002 12:45
> An: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> Betreff: Re: AW: [simpits-tech] Cougar Mod extension - Request
> suggestionandfeedback
>
>
> Actually, I am doing that for someone now.  I expect to be able
> to do it.  I
> just need to locate a circular connector for your grip.  Rumor has it that
> they used more than one type.
>
> Marv
> --
>
>
> > From: "Marc Weigert" <mail@marceting.de>
> > Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> > Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:43:30 +0200
> > To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> > Subject: AW: [simpits-tech] Cougar Mod extension - Request suggestion
> > andfeedback
> >
> > Hello Marv,
> >
> > will it be possible to use your stickbase with a real stick
> grip? I got the
> > grip of the Block 15, and am looking for a way to hook it up
> once I start
> > actually building my cockpit.
> >
> > Keep up the good work :)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
> >> [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]Im Auftrag von Marv RR
> >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. April 2002 01:22
> >> An: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> >> Betreff: Re: [simpits-tech] Cougar Mod extension - Request suggestion
> >> andfeedback
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks, Steve, for the link.
> >>
> >> I have reviewed the pictures that show the grip and its connector.
> >>
> >> I don't like the connection method that was chosen for the grip,
> >> but looking
> >> at the internal view of the end shows me that I can fashion an
> >> adapter that
> >> will allow me to connect it to my F-16 base.  That is really good news.
> >>
> >> Frankly, I don't trust their mounting system to hold up to the
> >> force someone
> >> might apply to it with a solid F-16 base.  It also does not have
> >> the correct
> >> angle to it.  The real grip leans forward.  Besides, I think I
> >> could make it
> >> look a little better in that department, too.
> >>
> >> I just happen to have, on loan, a real F-16 Block 50 grip to
> compare with
> >> the pictures and I must say that I am impressed with the
> Cougar.  I would
> >> love to have one just to compare the feel of the buttons to
> the real grip.
> >>
> >> The real grip buttons are much stiffer than the CH Products
> >> joystick I use.
> >> It take decisive force to push any button which has a nice snap to it.
> >>
> >> The trigger is two-staged.  The first position is for the camera.  The
> >> second stage, which breaks with a healthy snap action, is the
> >> gun.  It takes
> >> a good amount of finger pressure to engage the gun.  Looking at
> >> the Cougar I
> >> think it may be possible to modify it to emulate that
> two-stage trigger.
> >>
> >> I am very much impressed with their grip.  Anyone that owns one
> >> is lucky and
> >> all I can say is I want one, too.  ;-/
> >>
> >> Marv
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: "Steve Wilson" <mafsix@attbi.com>
> >>> Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> >>> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:02:42 -0400
> >>> To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cougar Mod extension - Request
> >> suggestion and
> >>> feedback
> >>>
> >>> Albert, I couldn't find the image file, but I agree with you.
> >>>
> >>> I've been considering what I'm sure is a similar extension of
> >> the Cougar FLCS.
> >>> Essentially, one simply attaches the Cougar grip to a mount
> >> similar to the one
> >>> that our clever bud Marv designed for his own pit.  The base of
> >> the Coug is
> >>> then mounted at about deck level directly underneath, only 180 degrees
> >>> reversed.  A short extension cord connects the two
> >> electronically.  Then a
> >>> simple, straight extension goes from the base of the grip down
> >> to some sort of
> >>> simple cage style gimbal mounted on the base in place of the
> >> stick.  Voila -
> >>> short throw Cougar.
> >>>
> >>> This is 100% harmless to the FLCS side.
> >>>
> >>> On the other side of the pit, things get more fun, however.
> >> The internal
> >>> wiring of the TQS would very likely have to be cut and extended
> >> about five
> >>> inches so that a realistic replica or real world F-16 TQS arm
> >> (preferred)
> >>> could be substituted for the shorter arm that comes with the
> >> product.  There
> >>> are some great internal pix of the TQS on
> >>> http://mpgnetz.de/images/cougar/sh.html that really feed the
> >> imagination for
> >>> this part of the project.  I don't have the Cougar myself, just
> >> yet.. :-(
> >>>
> >>> Lots of wires in there!
> >>>
> >>> After grafting the handle atop the throttle arm, one also has
> >> to figure out a
> >>> suitable way to graft the hub back onto the shaft of the
> >> original TQS.  I
> >>> think that will have to be via some sort of indirect attachment
> >> via a simple
> >>> linkage, however, to keep things from becoming too encumbered.
> >> A Real World
> >>> TQS arm does have a rather nice ball bearing pivot, and it
> >> would be a shame
> >>> not to use it.  ;-)  If one could disconnect the internal plug
> >> and interpose
> >>> some sort of extension, that would be cooler, however, and more
> >> reliable.
> >>> With a little luck, one may be able to avoid any hacking and
> >> slashing, and
> >>> have reasonable hope of maintaining their warranty.  The hard
> >> part would be
> >>> getting the somewhat complex and wide plug out through the
> >> throttle pivot, a
> >>> not-so-easy task, I fear.
> >>>
> >>> Still, with relatively little trouble, I'm sure we can
> >> completely hide the
> >>> Cougar bases in our F-16 pits, and come away with one good
> >> looking, reliable
> >>> and sanity preserving solution.
> >>>
> >>> Steve
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: A L B E R T
> >>> To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:12 PM
> >>> Subject: [simpits-tech] Cougar Mod extension - Request
> >> suggestion and feedback
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Guys,
> >>>
> >>> after we talked much the tight space we have got and how much
> >> Gene has. I
> >>> spend tonight holding my cougar stick...thinking its not really
> >> hard to modify
> >>> to sit in the f16 cockpit to its side stick position...
> >>>
> >>> I upload the picture to the simpit file section called cougar
> >> mod.jpg . I am
> >>> sure Marv has already thought of something. However, this idea
> >> came to my head
> >>> and I want to share it with you and get some comment on the design.
> >>>
> >>> First of all, I am no craftsman...I come up with the idea not
> >> know how on
> >>> earth to machine the thing and its really
> >> frustrating...especially with metal.
> >>> Second of all, the aim of this design is to minimise the
> heart break of
> >>> breaking apart a 300 dollars joystick. Finally, I tried to keep
> >> the realistic
> >>> measurement in mind. All measurement used in this concept
> sketch is only
> >>> approximation.
> >>>
> >>> I first tried my hands on the cougar and was very disappointed
> >> that the stick
> >>> still swing quiet alot side by side i.e. its still far too
> >> loose compared to
> >>> the real movement on the FLCS. Also, the base of the stick is
> >> rather big. As
> >>> you all know. The F16 FLCS has a small base sitting under the stick
> >>> itself...something like a pressure actuator? (Help me here
> >> pogo, I seen you
> >>> have a real stick on your site :)
> >>>
> >>> Due to those reasons, I thought the cougar might be good for
> >> the desk. but not
> >>> so much for the pit... But anyway...I brought it! Cant help
> >> it...ouch...that
> >>> hurts! and the obvious aim now is to try get the stick into
> the cockpit.
> >>> That's how I came up with this little design so I dont have
> to break the
> >>> stick. yet I can still create the base of the FLCS and hide the actual
> >>> cougar's base under the panel. If one day I have to pull the
> >> cougar out. I
> >>> simply remove the extension and the stick is back to its normal
> >> self again.
> >>>
> >>> I spend the whole night drooling on this idea. so I started
> >> drawing it up in
> >>> Illustrator (I dont know how to use CAD programs). I have
> >> absolutely no idea
> >>> how I can make this thing myself. I am not skilled in metal at
> >> all...creating
> >>> the screw tracks for the cougar to screw on the top and a male
> >> attachement
> >>> like the existing one on the cougar will definetly out of my area of
> >>> expertise. Any comment and suggestion will be appreciated. I
> >> honestly just
> >>> want to pay someone who knows how to machine such part for a
> >> decent cost.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway, its sunrise...I better get to bed. My simpit habbit has
> >> once again
> >>> ruin my sleeping pattern. :(
> >>>
> >>> Albert
> >>> Sydney, Australia
> >>
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