AW: [simpits-tech] Cougar Mod extension - Request suggestion
andfeedback
Marv RR
simpits-tech@simpits.org
Wed, 24 Apr 2002 06:44:43 -0400
Actually, I am doing that for someone now. I expect to be able to do it. I
just need to locate a circular connector for your grip. Rumor has it that
they used more than one type.
Marv
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> From: "Marc Weigert" <mail@marceting.de>
> Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:43:30 +0200
> To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> Subject: AW: [simpits-tech] Cougar Mod extension - Request suggestion
> andfeedback
>
> Hello Marv,
>
> will it be possible to use your stickbase with a real stick grip? I got the
> grip of the Block 15, and am looking for a way to hook it up once I start
> actually building my cockpit.
>
> Keep up the good work :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
>> [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]Im Auftrag von Marv RR
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. April 2002 01:22
>> An: simpits-tech@simpits.org
>> Betreff: Re: [simpits-tech] Cougar Mod extension - Request suggestion
>> andfeedback
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Steve, for the link.
>>
>> I have reviewed the pictures that show the grip and its connector.
>>
>> I don't like the connection method that was chosen for the grip,
>> but looking
>> at the internal view of the end shows me that I can fashion an
>> adapter that
>> will allow me to connect it to my F-16 base. That is really good news.
>>
>> Frankly, I don't trust their mounting system to hold up to the
>> force someone
>> might apply to it with a solid F-16 base. It also does not have
>> the correct
>> angle to it. The real grip leans forward. Besides, I think I
>> could make it
>> look a little better in that department, too.
>>
>> I just happen to have, on loan, a real F-16 Block 50 grip to compare with
>> the pictures and I must say that I am impressed with the Cougar. I would
>> love to have one just to compare the feel of the buttons to the real grip.
>>
>> The real grip buttons are much stiffer than the CH Products
>> joystick I use.
>> It take decisive force to push any button which has a nice snap to it.
>>
>> The trigger is two-staged. The first position is for the camera. The
>> second stage, which breaks with a healthy snap action, is the
>> gun. It takes
>> a good amount of finger pressure to engage the gun. Looking at
>> the Cougar I
>> think it may be possible to modify it to emulate that two-stage trigger.
>>
>> I am very much impressed with their grip. Anyone that owns one
>> is lucky and
>> all I can say is I want one, too. ;-/
>>
>> Marv
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>> From: "Steve Wilson" <mafsix@attbi.com>
>>> Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
>>> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:02:42 -0400
>>> To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cougar Mod extension - Request
>> suggestion and
>>> feedback
>>>
>>> Albert, I couldn't find the image file, but I agree with you.
>>>
>>> I've been considering what I'm sure is a similar extension of
>> the Cougar FLCS.
>>> Essentially, one simply attaches the Cougar grip to a mount
>> similar to the one
>>> that our clever bud Marv designed for his own pit. The base of
>> the Coug is
>>> then mounted at about deck level directly underneath, only 180 degrees
>>> reversed. A short extension cord connects the two
>> electronically. Then a
>>> simple, straight extension goes from the base of the grip down
>> to some sort of
>>> simple cage style gimbal mounted on the base in place of the
>> stick. Voila -
>>> short throw Cougar.
>>>
>>> This is 100% harmless to the FLCS side.
>>>
>>> On the other side of the pit, things get more fun, however.
>> The internal
>>> wiring of the TQS would very likely have to be cut and extended
>> about five
>>> inches so that a realistic replica or real world F-16 TQS arm
>> (preferred)
>>> could be substituted for the shorter arm that comes with the
>> product. There
>>> are some great internal pix of the TQS on
>>> http://mpgnetz.de/images/cougar/sh.html that really feed the
>> imagination for
>>> this part of the project. I don't have the Cougar myself, just
>> yet.. :-(
>>>
>>> Lots of wires in there!
>>>
>>> After grafting the handle atop the throttle arm, one also has
>> to figure out a
>>> suitable way to graft the hub back onto the shaft of the
>> original TQS. I
>>> think that will have to be via some sort of indirect attachment
>> via a simple
>>> linkage, however, to keep things from becoming too encumbered.
>> A Real World
>>> TQS arm does have a rather nice ball bearing pivot, and it
>> would be a shame
>>> not to use it. ;-) If one could disconnect the internal plug
>> and interpose
>>> some sort of extension, that would be cooler, however, and more
>> reliable.
>>> With a little luck, one may be able to avoid any hacking and
>> slashing, and
>>> have reasonable hope of maintaining their warranty. The hard
>> part would be
>>> getting the somewhat complex and wide plug out through the
>> throttle pivot, a
>>> not-so-easy task, I fear.
>>>
>>> Still, with relatively little trouble, I'm sure we can
>> completely hide the
>>> Cougar bases in our F-16 pits, and come away with one good
>> looking, reliable
>>> and sanity preserving solution.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: A L B E R T
>>> To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:12 PM
>>> Subject: [simpits-tech] Cougar Mod extension - Request
>> suggestion and feedback
>>>
>>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> after we talked much the tight space we have got and how much
>> Gene has. I
>>> spend tonight holding my cougar stick...thinking its not really
>> hard to modify
>>> to sit in the f16 cockpit to its side stick position...
>>>
>>> I upload the picture to the simpit file section called cougar
>> mod.jpg . I am
>>> sure Marv has already thought of something. However, this idea
>> came to my head
>>> and I want to share it with you and get some comment on the design.
>>>
>>> First of all, I am no craftsman...I come up with the idea not
>> know how on
>>> earth to machine the thing and its really
>> frustrating...especially with metal.
>>> Second of all, the aim of this design is to minimise the heart break of
>>> breaking apart a 300 dollars joystick. Finally, I tried to keep
>> the realistic
>>> measurement in mind. All measurement used in this concept sketch is only
>>> approximation.
>>>
>>> I first tried my hands on the cougar and was very disappointed
>> that the stick
>>> still swing quiet alot side by side i.e. its still far too
>> loose compared to
>>> the real movement on the FLCS. Also, the base of the stick is
>> rather big. As
>>> you all know. The F16 FLCS has a small base sitting under the stick
>>> itself...something like a pressure actuator? (Help me here
>> pogo, I seen you
>>> have a real stick on your site :)
>>>
>>> Due to those reasons, I thought the cougar might be good for
>> the desk. but not
>>> so much for the pit... But anyway...I brought it! Cant help
>> it...ouch...that
>>> hurts! and the obvious aim now is to try get the stick into the cockpit.
>>> That's how I came up with this little design so I dont have to break the
>>> stick. yet I can still create the base of the FLCS and hide the actual
>>> cougar's base under the panel. If one day I have to pull the
>> cougar out. I
>>> simply remove the extension and the stick is back to its normal
>> self again.
>>>
>>> I spend the whole night drooling on this idea. so I started
>> drawing it up in
>>> Illustrator (I dont know how to use CAD programs). I have
>> absolutely no idea
>>> how I can make this thing myself. I am not skilled in metal at
>> all...creating
>>> the screw tracks for the cougar to screw on the top and a male
>> attachement
>>> like the existing one on the cougar will definetly out of my area of
>>> expertise. Any comment and suggestion will be appreciated. I
>> honestly just
>>> want to pay someone who knows how to machine such part for a
>> decent cost.
>>>
>>> Anyway, its sunrise...I better get to bed. My simpit habbit has
>> once again
>>> ruin my sleeping pattern. :(
>>>
>>> Albert
>>> Sydney, Australia
>>
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