AW: AW: [simpits-tech] Cougar Mod extension - Request suggestionandfeedback

Marv RR simpits-tech@simpits.org
Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:24:10 -0400 

Can you just get me their contact number for that group?

I just need to know what connector you have on your stick and maybe the
pinout and you're good to go.

The base is made of fiberglass on the outside with aluminum used as the
force transducer mechanism.

Marv
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> From: "Marc Weigert" <mail@marceting.de>
> Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:45:21 +0200
> To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> Subject: AW: AW: [simpits-tech] Cougar Mod extension - Request
> suggestionandfeedback
> 
> Hello Marv,
> 
> this is the best news in weeks :)))
> So if I manage to find the corresponding cannon-counterpart, it is most like
> possible to get it working? What material do you make the stick base of? Is
> it some metal or s.th. like epoxy??? If I'ld just have your skills :P
> 
> Therefore I got very good news for you fellow simpitters:
> 
> Yesterday I established contact with a private project group, call it the
> "Linux" of military flight sims. They are working on a very promissing
> simulation software and wait for input to make this thing better. Sure they
> are also loking for alot of helping hands. I mentioned that the possibility
> to export any data, also HUD and MFD would be a jewel to the simpit
> community! If we manage to do a list of what THE PERFECT simulation software
> should be able to do, I can forward it to them and we have a good chance
> that our wishes get developped. I will provide you with some more
> information during that day - includeing some screenshots.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Marc
> 
> 
>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
>> [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]Im Auftrag von Marv RR
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. April 2002 12:45
>> An: simpits-tech@simpits.org
>> Betreff: Re: AW: [simpits-tech] Cougar Mod extension - Request
>> suggestionandfeedback
>> 
>> 
>> Actually, I am doing that for someone now.  I expect to be able
>> to do it.  I
>> just need to locate a circular connector for your grip.  Rumor has it that
>> they used more than one type.
>> 
>> Marv
>> --
>> 
>> 
>>> From: "Marc Weigert" <mail@marceting.de>
>>> Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
>>> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:43:30 +0200
>>> To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
>>> Subject: AW: [simpits-tech] Cougar Mod extension - Request suggestion
>>> andfeedback
>>> 
>>> Hello Marv,
>>> 
>>> will it be possible to use your stickbase with a real stick
>> grip? I got the
>>> grip of the Block 15, and am looking for a way to hook it up
>> once I start
>>> actually building my cockpit.
>>> 
>>> Keep up the good work :)
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Marc
>>> 
>>>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>>>> Von: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
>>>> [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]Im Auftrag von Marv RR
>>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. April 2002 01:22
>>>> An: simpits-tech@simpits.org
>>>> Betreff: Re: [simpits-tech] Cougar Mod extension - Request suggestion
>>>> andfeedback
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, Steve, for the link.
>>>> 
>>>> I have reviewed the pictures that show the grip and its connector.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't like the connection method that was chosen for the grip,
>>>> but looking
>>>> at the internal view of the end shows me that I can fashion an
>>>> adapter that
>>>> will allow me to connect it to my F-16 base.  That is really good news.
>>>> 
>>>> Frankly, I don't trust their mounting system to hold up to the
>>>> force someone
>>>> might apply to it with a solid F-16 base.  It also does not have
>>>> the correct
>>>> angle to it.  The real grip leans forward.  Besides, I think I
>>>> could make it
>>>> look a little better in that department, too.
>>>> 
>>>> I just happen to have, on loan, a real F-16 Block 50 grip to
>> compare with
>>>> the pictures and I must say that I am impressed with the
>> Cougar.  I would
>>>> love to have one just to compare the feel of the buttons to
>> the real grip.
>>>> 
>>>> The real grip buttons are much stiffer than the CH Products
>>>> joystick I use.
>>>> It take decisive force to push any button which has a nice snap to it.
>>>> 
>>>> The trigger is two-staged.  The first position is for the camera.  The
>>>> second stage, which breaks with a healthy snap action, is the
>>>> gun.  It takes
>>>> a good amount of finger pressure to engage the gun.  Looking at
>>>> the Cougar I
>>>> think it may be possible to modify it to emulate that
>> two-stage trigger.
>>>> 
>>>> I am very much impressed with their grip.  Anyone that owns one
>>>> is lucky and
>>>> all I can say is I want one, too.  ;-/
>>>> 
>>>> Marv
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> From: "Steve Wilson" <mafsix@attbi.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
>>>>> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:02:42 -0400
>>>>> To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cougar Mod extension - Request
>>>> suggestion and
>>>>> feedback
>>>>> 
>>>>> Albert, I couldn't find the image file, but I agree with you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've been considering what I'm sure is a similar extension of
>>>> the Cougar FLCS.
>>>>> Essentially, one simply attaches the Cougar grip to a mount
>>>> similar to the one
>>>>> that our clever bud Marv designed for his own pit.  The base of
>>>> the Coug is
>>>>> then mounted at about deck level directly underneath, only 180 degrees
>>>>> reversed.  A short extension cord connects the two
>>>> electronically.  Then a
>>>>> simple, straight extension goes from the base of the grip down
>>>> to some sort of
>>>>> simple cage style gimbal mounted on the base in place of the
>>>> stick.  Voila -
>>>>> short throw Cougar.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is 100% harmless to the FLCS side.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On the other side of the pit, things get more fun, however.
>>>> The internal
>>>>> wiring of the TQS would very likely have to be cut and extended
>>>> about five
>>>>> inches so that a realistic replica or real world F-16 TQS arm
>>>> (preferred)
>>>>> could be substituted for the shorter arm that comes with the
>>>> product.  There
>>>>> are some great internal pix of the TQS on
>>>>> http://mpgnetz.de/images/cougar/sh.html that really feed the
>>>> imagination for
>>>>> this part of the project.  I don't have the Cougar myself, just
>>>> yet.. :-(
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lots of wires in there!
>>>>> 
>>>>> After grafting the handle atop the throttle arm, one also has
>>>> to figure out a
>>>>> suitable way to graft the hub back onto the shaft of the
>>>> original TQS.  I
>>>>> think that will have to be via some sort of indirect attachment
>>>> via a simple
>>>>> linkage, however, to keep things from becoming too encumbered.
>>>> A Real World
>>>>> TQS arm does have a rather nice ball bearing pivot, and it
>>>> would be a shame
>>>>> not to use it.  ;-)  If one could disconnect the internal plug
>>>> and interpose
>>>>> some sort of extension, that would be cooler, however, and more
>>>> reliable.
>>>>> With a little luck, one may be able to avoid any hacking and
>>>> slashing, and
>>>>> have reasonable hope of maintaining their warranty.  The hard
>>>> part would be
>>>>> getting the somewhat complex and wide plug out through the
>>>> throttle pivot, a
>>>>> not-so-easy task, I fear.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Still, with relatively little trouble, I'm sure we can
>>>> completely hide the
>>>>> Cougar bases in our F-16 pits, and come away with one good
>>>> looking, reliable
>>>>> and sanity preserving solution.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: A L B E R T
>>>>> To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:12 PM
>>>>> Subject: [simpits-tech] Cougar Mod extension - Request
>>>> suggestion and feedback
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Guys,
>>>>> 
>>>>> after we talked much the tight space we have got and how much
>>>> Gene has. I
>>>>> spend tonight holding my cougar stick...thinking its not really
>>>> hard to modify
>>>>> to sit in the f16 cockpit to its side stick position...
>>>>> 
>>>>> I upload the picture to the simpit file section called cougar
>>>> mod.jpg . I am
>>>>> sure Marv has already thought of something. However, this idea
>>>> came to my head
>>>>> and I want to share it with you and get some comment on the design.
>>>>> 
>>>>> First of all, I am no craftsman...I come up with the idea not
>>>> know how on
>>>>> earth to machine the thing and its really
>>>> frustrating...especially with metal.
>>>>> Second of all, the aim of this design is to minimise the
>> heart break of
>>>>> breaking apart a 300 dollars joystick. Finally, I tried to keep
>>>> the realistic
>>>>> measurement in mind. All measurement used in this concept
>> sketch is only
>>>>> approximation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I first tried my hands on the cougar and was very disappointed
>>>> that the stick
>>>>> still swing quiet alot side by side i.e. its still far too
>>>> loose compared to
>>>>> the real movement on the FLCS. Also, the base of the stick is
>>>> rather big. As
>>>>> you all know. The F16 FLCS has a small base sitting under the stick
>>>>> itself...something like a pressure actuator? (Help me here
>>>> pogo, I seen you
>>>>> have a real stick on your site :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Due to those reasons, I thought the cougar might be good for
>>>> the desk. but not
>>>>> so much for the pit... But anyway...I brought it! Cant help
>>>> it...ouch...that
>>>>> hurts! and the obvious aim now is to try get the stick into
>> the cockpit.
>>>>> That's how I came up with this little design so I dont have
>> to break the
>>>>> stick. yet I can still create the base of the FLCS and hide the actual
>>>>> cougar's base under the panel. If one day I have to pull the
>>>> cougar out. I
>>>>> simply remove the extension and the stick is back to its normal
>>>> self again.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I spend the whole night drooling on this idea. so I started
>>>> drawing it up in
>>>>> Illustrator (I dont know how to use CAD programs). I have
>>>> absolutely no idea
>>>>> how I can make this thing myself. I am not skilled in metal at
>>>> all...creating
>>>>> the screw tracks for the cougar to screw on the top and a male
>>>> attachement
>>>>> like the existing one on the cougar will definetly out of my area of
>>>>> expertise. Any comment and suggestion will be appreciated. I
>>>> honestly just
>>>>> want to pay someone who knows how to machine such part for a
>>>> decent cost.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyway, its sunrise...I better get to bed. My simpit habbit has
>>>> once again
>>>>> ruin my sleeping pattern. :(
>>>>> 
>>>>> Albert
>>>>> Sydney, Australia
>>>> 
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