[simpits-tech] Marvs SCC

Sat Jan 31 10:14:23 PST 2004

One other part should be factored in to the machining cost, not all the
parts need to be machined by a shop, some are intricate, but some are not.
>From the drawings, there are certainly parts in there that can be made by
the novice machinist, cutting down shop time. Craig has said the high
fidelity model they designed could be simplified down some for the less hard
core types, don't know his plans there though. The intent of the design was
for high fidelity from the start and not a certain pricepoint. With the
drawings being released to the community I am sure there will be some
individuals with the resources to cut the cost way down. The LVDT
conditioners can be had on ebay cheaply and at least one of the LVDTs, the
smaller LVDT will most likely have to be bought retail. 

  _____  

From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Craig Rochester
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:55 AM
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Marvs SCC

Hi Steve,

You wrote:

"At least with Craig and Dave's homebrew plans, the cost is sure to be a
heckuva lot less than 2.5 G's"

Dave estimated the shop time to produce the Viperpit.org SSC @ about 40 hrs.
Let me pull a $/hr out of my bum --> $60.   That's $2,400 just for the
machining.  Of course that's for a single unit and multiple units would
bring this down some, but unless it were mass produced in China,  it
wouldn't reduce the price that much.

"It certainly isn't going to be the same quality as you are likely to
produce"

This is NOT certain.  The Viperpit.org worked to the exact specifications
for the real SSC.  Dave's machining is second to none.  I'm not taking
anything away from Marv's work, but on what basis do you make your quality
assumption?

Craig R.

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org]On Behalf Of Steve Wilson
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 3:32 AM
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Marvs SCC

Marv, the price is what it is.  You deserve to be compensated for your costs
and efforts, and Chris Mihok has to get his cut too, since he's your front
man and distributor.  It doesn't help, though, that a project that as
originally touted as something for simpit builders ended up being so doggone
good it was priced more for Uncle Sugar and his henchmen at the Pentagon.
Gads, good job dude, and way to go.  There's a perfectly understandable
inflation factor there too.  I guess what's spouting off betwixt my ears
here is the length of time I and a lot of other guys, both here and
elsewhere, spent hoping the original was going to be something we could
afford and would be available soon, a "soon" that was more like a year ago.

And yes, I do understand that the timing of this project is something worked
around *your* life and your convenience - you really never owed any of us
anything!!  Bigtime.

I also understand you may have a lesser priced version at some point - but
how can I or anyone else ask you to look into your crystal ball and ask how
far in the future that's going to be?  At least with Craig and Dave's
homebrew plans, the cost is sure to be a heckuva lot less than 2.5 G's and
the timing only limited by our ability to get our own parts done.  It
certainly isn't going to be the same quality as you are likely to produce I
know, and I regret that.  The real thing is that, at some point, the
arrogance in me actually expects to finish building cockpit(s) and to get
down to the task of learning how to be the best F-16 sim driver that I can
be.  That's the goal, at least for me.

But all that **whining** aside, Marv, go sell the thing, go sell a thousand
of 'em.  You really don't owe me an apology for the price, but thanks
anyway.

It's not often that one's efforts in a hobby can be turned into something
worth literally thousands of dollars, and can actually help defend this fine
land of ours at the same time, at least indirectly.  For that
accomplishment, you have my respect.

Steve

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marv De Beque" <mdebeque at woh.rr.com>
To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Marvs SCC

> Steve,
>
> Sorry about the cost, but the sale price obviously represents my cost for
> the components, too.
>
> That is why we're considering a home builder version.  Hopefully, that
will
> address this market.  I'll keep you posted as things develop.
>
> Marv
>
>
>
>
> On 1/30/04 12:48 PM, "Steve Wilson" <mafsix at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I got an unsolicited email from my ol' pal Chris Mihok yesterday (ACC
Prez).
> > $2,520.00 - based on them selling 12 units.  No change from the last
time I
> > got the info from Marv here in this fine forum.  I'm sure at that price
a
> > variety of buyers, mainly government/military, will buy them.  Certainly
a
> > nice thing to have, but apparently not aimed at the casual simpit
builder.
> > I spent just over a grand on my rudder pedals, so I don't mind spending
> > serious cash on a part for my overpriced playpen.  But even I have my
> > limits!  ;-)
> >
> > Steve W.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michi Hirczy" <mi.hi at gmx.net>
> > To: <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
> > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 1:03 AM
> > Subject: [simpits-tech] Marvs SCC
> >
> >
> >> Hey, Marv!
> >>
> >> I actually read the announcement at sim-news.com, that you teamed up
> >> with Advanced Computer Concepts for your SSC. Do you have any pricing
> >> information (i.e. nothing has changed since last time, about 1.500,-)?
> >>
> >> greetings
> >> michi
> >> --
> >> lg, michi
> >>
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