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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>One other part should be factored in to
the machining cost, not all the parts need to be machined by a shop, some are
intricate, but some are not. From the drawings, there are certainly parts in
there that can be made by the novice machinist, cutting down shop time. Craig
has said the high fidelity model they designed could be simplified down some
for the less hard core types, don’t know his plans there though. The
intent of the design was for high fidelity from the start and not a certain
pricepoint. With the drawings being released to the community I am sure there will
be some individuals with the resources to cut the cost way down. The LVDT
conditioners can be had on ebay cheaply and at least one of the LVDTs, the
smaller LVDT will most likely have to be bought retail. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Craig Rochester<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, January 31, 2004
8:55 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Simulator Cockpit tech list<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [simpits-tech] Marvs
SCC</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hi Steve,<br>
<br>
You wrote:<br>
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<font color=blue><span style='color:blue'>"At least with Craig and Dave's
homebrew plans, the cost is sure to be a heckuva lot less than 2.5 G's"</span></font></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Dave
estimated the shop time to produce the Viperpit.org SSC @ about 40
hrs. Let me pull a $/hr out of my bum --> $60. That's
$2,400 just for the machining. Of course that's for a single unit and
multiple units would bring this down some, but unless it were mass produced in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region>, it
wouldn't reduce the price that much.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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color=blue><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>It certainly isn't going
to be the same quality as you are likely to produce"</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>This is NOT certain. The Viperpit.org worked to the exact
specifications for the real SSC. Dave's machining is second to
none. I'm not taking anything away from Marv's work, but on what basis do
you make your quality assumption?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Craig R.</span></font><font size=2><span
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<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org<br>
[<a href="mailto:simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org" target="_blank">mailto:simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org</a>]On
Behalf Of Steve Wilson<br>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 3:32 AM<br>
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list<br>
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Marvs SCC<br>
<br>
<br>
Marv, the price is what it is. You deserve to be compensated for your
costs<br>
and efforts, and Chris Mihok has to get his cut too, since he's your front<br>
man and distributor. It doesn't help, though, that a project that as<br>
originally touted as something for simpit builders ended up being so doggone<br>
good it was priced more for Uncle Sugar and his henchmen at the Pentagon.<br>
Gads, good job dude, and way to go. There's a perfectly understandable<br>
inflation factor there too. I guess what's spouting off betwixt my ears<br>
here is the length of time I and a lot of other guys, both here and<br>
elsewhere, spent hoping the original was going to be something we could<br>
afford and would be available soon, a "soon" that was more like a
year ago.<br>
<br>
And yes, I do understand that the timing of this project is something worked<br>
around *your* life and your convenience - you really never owed any of us<br>
anything!! Bigtime.<br>
<br>
I also understand you may have a lesser priced version at some point - but<br>
how can I or anyone else ask you to look into your crystal ball and ask how<br>
far in the future that's going to be? At least with Craig and Dave's<br>
homebrew plans, the cost is sure to be a heckuva lot less than 2.5 G's and<br>
the timing only limited by our ability to get our own parts done. It<br>
certainly isn't going to be the same quality as you are likely to produce I<br>
know, and I regret that. The real thing is that, at some point, the<br>
arrogance in me actually expects to finish building cockpit(s) and to get<br>
down to the task of learning how to be the best F-16 sim driver that I can<br>
be. That's the goal, at least for me.<br>
<br>
But all that **whining** aside, Marv, go sell the thing, go sell a thousand<br>
of 'em. You really don't owe me an apology for the price, but thanks<br>
anyway.<br>
<br>
It's not often that one's efforts in a hobby can be turned into something<br>
worth literally thousands of dollars, and can actually help defend this fine<br>
land of ours at the same time, at least indirectly. For that<br>
accomplishment, you have my respect.<br>
<br>
Steve<br>
<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Marv De Beque" <mdebeque@woh.rr.com><br>
To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" <simpits-tech@simpits.org><br>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 3:28 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Marvs SCC<br>
<br>
<br>
> Steve,<br>
><br>
> Sorry about the cost, but the sale price obviously represents my cost for<br>
> the components, too.<br>
><br>
> That is why we're considering a home builder version. Hopefully,
that<br>
will<br>
> address this market. I'll keep you posted as things develop.<br>
><br>
> Marv<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 1/30/04 12:48 PM, "Steve Wilson" <mafsix@hotmail.com>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> > I got an unsolicited email from my ol' pal Chris Mihok yesterday (ACC<br>
Prez).<br>
> > $2,520.00 - based on them selling 12 units. No change from the
last<br>
time I<br>
> > got the info from Marv here in this fine forum. I'm sure at
that price<br>
a<br>
> > variety of buyers, mainly government/military, will buy them.
Certainly<br>
a<br>
> > nice thing to have, but apparently not aimed at the casual simpit<br>
builder.<br>
> > I spent just over a grand on my rudder pedals, so I don't mind
spending<br>
> > serious cash on a part for my overpriced playpen. But even I
have my<br>
> > limits! ;-)<br>
> ><br>
> > Steve W.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ----- Original Message -----<br>
> > From: "Michi Hirczy" <mi.hi@gmx.net><br>
> > To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org><br>
> > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 1:03 AM<br>
> > Subject: [simpits-tech] Marvs SCC<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >> Hey, Marv!<br>
> >><br>
> >> I actually read the announcement at sim-news.com, that you teamed
up<br>
> >> with Advanced Computer Concepts for your SSC. Do you have any
pricing<br>
> >> information (i.e. nothing has changed since last time, about
1.500,-)?<br>
> >><br>
> >> greetings<br>
> >> michi<br>
> >> --<br>
> >> lg, michi<br>
> >><br>
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