[simpits-tech] Cougar's Spiking Pot! LVDT Side StickPrototype WORKS!

Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:48:06 -0600

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$1500 is high, but nothing I've done so far is cheap.  Will you make it =
if I
pay for it?  Not that I can pay for it at the moment, but if you'll make =
it,
I'll save for it and get it.  Let me explain my rationale to others who =
may
think I'm crazy.  What would the real thing cost?  A truck load more =
that
$1500, right?  Marv, I presume you wired it into the cougar's innards as =
you
had mentioned previously?  This alone is no small feat and well worth =
the
ease it will be to maintain the cougar's programmability for me, the end
user.  Now, consider the other mods it would take to get a Cougar to =
"feel"
good without the dead spots at 12, 3, 6 and 9 o'clock.  There is a mod =
out
there for about $475 that will do this.  Add in the HE sensors for the =
stick
at $130 and you are now at $605.  But, you still have to mod the cougar
somehow to make it useful and out of the way of the instruments and you
still really won't have that realism.  I want maximum realism and I'm
willing to pay for it.  If you think about it, some of us drop $3000 on =
a
projector for the maximum visual realism, what would be the next thing =
in
line?  My opinion would be the HOTAS since that is where your hands and
thought will be a big chunk of time.  So, I don't think $1500 is an
unreasonable amount to ask for all the time and effort you have placed =
into
this.  So build away, I want one!  And damn, 1/1000 of a volt!  I can't =
even
imagine how wonderful it feels.

=20

Jay=20

=20

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org =
[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]
On Behalf Of Marv De Beque
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:12 AM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cougar's Spiking Pot! LVDT Side =
StickPrototype
WORKS!

=20

Jay,

Well I just got it working last night and it ROCKS!!!!

However, don't get too excited.   The cost of this baby is way out of =
site
(probably $1500).

It is complex and the cost of the parts alone is $400, let alone the =
labor
to build it.

Still, the performance is out of this world.  This thing has a noise and
jitter of under 1/1000 volt!  And that is on one of those bread boards.
Mechanically is feels great.  Recentering repeatability is about 1%.
Tastes great, too.  ;-)

I just put the thread up at:

http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?threadid=3D31723&goto=3D=
newpos
t

Marv

On 3/3/03 3:11 AM, "Joseph Fagner" <crease-guard@attbi.com> wrote:

Sukit, I have the HE sensor on my stick (am currently awaiting the =
throttle
mod as I am getting pot spikes in the throttle as well!).  I could go on =
and
on about how great they are (they are worth the money, trust me).  GET =
THE
MOD!!  My stick is as smooth as a baby's bottom and absolutely no =
spiking
whatsoever.  The HE sensors Cub pilot uses are supposedly rated for
15,000,000 cycles (probably live longer that I will).  Don't waste your =
time
or efforts on crappy pots that you will just have to change over and =
over
again.  In the long run, the HE sensors will be cheaper and save you a =
lot
of headaches.  Order both mods at once, as I have been waiting about 2-3
months for my throttle mod simply because Cub gets a ton of orders.  I =
have
two cougars, one of which will be completely HE sensors with Ian =
Johnston's
Uber cougar mod and the other I am planning on using with Marv's LVDT =
stick
base when he gets it done.  I am going to have Cub add on a second HE =
sensor
on my throttle mod when it's time for the throttle in my pit. Hope this
helps.

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org =
[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]
On Behalf Of Sittisudjatum, Sukit=20
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:26 AM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cougar's Spiking Pot!

Considering the working hours I've been using it, the pots in my Cougar =
set
shouldn't have a well-known "spiking" problem!  But it happened to the =
pot
in my throttle last weekend.  I just noticed it when I can't get to the =
idle
position when I flew a DC-3 in MSFS2002.  Then, I tested it in Foxy =
analyzer
software, and accepted that there's a problem.

I checked in the hardware section of the official cougar web pages, and =
saw
that there's a Q&A about fixing the spiking pot!  Gezzz... this must =
happen
to many cougar owners, so they have the Q&A listed.  I experienced =
fixing a
spiking pot in my F-22 stick (FCLS+TQS) and it went well that time, so =
this
shouldn't be a big deal with a small CTS pot.  But it's not, after
deassemble the pot, clean out the dust, putting grease, and put them all =
in
the positions.... there's still some noticable (and unacceptable) =
spiking
!!!! (It was an unhappy weekend to me).  I thought I have to check the =
OEM
web site, and see if I can buy .. may be 10 pots! as spare parts.

I found the CTS web site, printed out the product catalog, and I even =
found
that there's a distributor in Bangkok (a big surprise to me).  I =
suddenly
called the distributor, a sale person was not very kind.  I was told =
that
they have some samples for the customers, and the minimum order will be =
as
lessas 10,000 pots!!!! Gosh, I need only 10.

FYI: The CTS web site is www.ctscorp.com <http://www.ctscorp.com> . You =
can
download the pdf technical data from it's product section
http://www.ctscorp.com/electro/251pot.htm=20

Just a story of my "almost" dead pot to share with the community.  I =
would
be so glad if anyone can tell the exact model of the pot.  My best guess
would be 251B15F104B5N1

If anyone here can find an electronic supply store where you can buy =
this
model, please let me know.  Also, have anyone used the Cougar stick mod
"Hall effect sensor" from a cubpilot?  It would be great if you can tell =
how
do you like it.

Sukit Sittisudjatum

Bangkok, Thailand

www.thaiflight.com <http://www.thaiflight.com>=20

=20

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$1500 is high, but nothing =
I&#8217;ve done
so far is cheap.&nbsp; Will you make it if I pay for it?&nbsp; Not that =
I can
pay for it at the moment, but if you&#8217;ll make it, I&#8217;ll save =
for it
and get it.&nbsp; Let me explain my rationale to others who may think =
I&#8217;m
crazy.&nbsp; What would the real thing cost?&nbsp; A truck load more =
that
$1500, right?&nbsp; Marv, I presume you wired it into the cougar&#8217;s =
innards
as you had mentioned previously?&nbsp; This alone is no small feat and =
well
worth the ease it will be to maintain the cougar&#8217;s programmability =
for
me, the end user.&nbsp; Now, consider the other mods it would take to =
get a
Cougar to &#8220;feel&#8221; good without the dead spots at 12, 3, 6 and =
9 o&#8217;clock.&nbsp; There is =
a mod
out there for about $475 that will do this.&nbsp; Add in the HE sensors =
for the
stick at $130 and you are now at $605.&nbsp; But, you still have to mod =
the
cougar somehow to make it useful and out of the way of the instruments =
and you
still really won&#8217;t have that realism.&nbsp; I want maximum realism =
and I&#8217;m
willing to pay for it.&nbsp; If you think about it, some of us drop =
$3000 on a
projector for the maximum visual realism, what would be the next thing =
in
line?&nbsp; My opinion would be the HOTAS since that is where your hands =
and
thought will be a big chunk of time.&nbsp; So, I don&#8217;t think $1500 =
is an
unreasonable amount to ask for all the time and effort you have placed =
into
this.&nbsp; So build away, I want one!&nbsp; And damn, 1/1000 of a volt! =
&nbsp;I
can&#8217;t even imagine how wonderful it feels.

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-----Original =
Message----- 
From:
simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] =
On Behalf Of Marv De Beque 
Sent: Monday, March 03, =
2003 5:12
AM 
To: =
simpits-tech@simpits.org 
Subject: Re: =
[simpits-tech]
Cougar's Spiking Pot! LVDT Side StickPrototype WORKS!

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
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Jay, 
 
Well I just got it working last night and it ROCKS!!!! 
 
However, don&#8217;t get too excited. &nbsp;&nbsp;The cost of this baby =
is way
out of site (probably $1500). 
 
It is complex and the cost of the parts alone is $400, let alone the =
labor to
build it. 
 
Still, the performance is out of this world. &nbsp;This thing has a =
noise and
jitter of under 1/1000 volt! &nbsp;And that is on one of those bread =
boards.
&nbsp;Mechanically is feels great. &nbsp;Recentering repeatability is =
about 1%.
&nbsp;&nbsp;Tastes great, too. &nbsp;;-) 
 
I just put the thread up at: 
 
<tt>http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/=
showthread.php?threadid=3D31723&amp;goto=3Dnewpost</tt>=
 
 
<tt>Marv</tt> 
 
 
 
On 3/3/03 3:11 AM, &quot;Joseph Fagner&quot; =
&lt;crease-guard@attbi.com&gt;
wrote:

Sukit, I have the HE sensor on my stick =
(am
currently awaiting the throttle mod as I am getting pot spikes in the =
throttle
as well!). &nbsp;I could go on and on about how great they are (they are =
worth
the money, trust me). &nbsp;GET THE MOD!! &nbsp;My stick is as smooth as =
a
baby&#8217;s bottom and absolutely no spiking whatsoever. &nbsp;The HE =
sensors
Cub pilot uses are supposedly rated for 15,000,000 cycles (probably live =
longer
that I will). &nbsp;Don&#8217;t waste your time or efforts on crappy =
pots that
you will just have to change over and over again. &nbsp;In the long run, =
the HE
sensors will be cheaper and save you a lot of headaches. &nbsp;Order =
both mods
at once, as I have been waiting about 2-3 months for my throttle mod =
simply
because Cub gets a ton of orders. &nbsp;I have two cougars, one of which =
will
be completely HE sensors with Ian Johnston&#8217;s Uber cougar mod and =
the
other I am planning on using with Marv&#8217;s LVDT stick base when he =
gets it
done. &nbsp;I am going to have Cub add on a second HE sensor on my =
throttle mod
when it&#8217;s time for the throttle in my pit. Hope this helps. 
 
 
 
Jay 
 
 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From:
simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] =
On Behalf Of Sittisudjatum, Sukit =
 
Sent: Monday, March 03, =
2003 1:26
AM 
To: =
simpits-tech@simpits.org 
Subject: [simpits-tech] =
Cougar's
Spiking Pot! 
 
 
 
Considering the working hours I've been using it, the pots in my =
Cougar
set shouldn't have a well-known &quot;spiking&quot; problem! &nbsp;But =
it
happened to the pot in my throttle last weekend. &nbsp;I just noticed it =
when I
can't get to the idle position when I flew a DC-3 in MSFS2002. =
&nbsp;Then, I
tested it in Foxy analyzer software, and accepted that there's a =
problem. 
 
 
 
I checked in the hardware section of the official cougar =
web
pages, and saw that there's a Q&amp;A about fixing the spiking pot!
&nbsp;Gezzz... this must happen to many cougar owners, so they have the =
Q&amp;A
listed. &nbsp;I experienced fixing a spiking pot in my F-22 stick =
(FCLS+TQS)
and it went well that time, so this shouldn't be a big deal with a small =
CTS
pot. &nbsp;But it's not, after deassemble the pot, clean out the dust, =
putting
grease, and put them all in the positions.... there's still some =
noticable (and
unacceptable) spiking !!!! (It was an unhappy weekend to me). &nbsp;I =
thought I
have to check the OEM web site, and see if I can buy .. may be 10 pots! =
as
spare parts. 
 
 
 
I found the CTS web site, printed out the product catalog, and I =
even
found that there's a distributor in Bangkok (a big surprise to me). =
&nbsp;I
suddenly called the distributor, a sale person was not very kind. =
&nbsp;I was
told that they have some samples for the customers, and the minimum =
order will
be as lessas 10,000 pots!!!! Gosh, I need only 10. 
 
 
 
FYI: The CTS web site is www.ctscorp.com =
&lt;http://www.ctscorp.com&gt;
. &nbsp;You can download the pdf technical data from it's product =
section
http://www.ctscorp.com/electro/251pot.htm 
 
 
 
Just a story of my &quot;almost&quot; dead pot to share with the
community. &nbsp;I would be so glad if anyone can tell the exact model =
of the
pot. &nbsp;My best guess would be 251B15F104B5N1 
 
 
 
If anyone here can find an electronic supply store where you can =
buy
this model, please let me know. &nbsp;Also, have anyone used the Cougar =
stick
mod &quot;Hall effect sensor&quot; from a cubpilot? &nbsp;It would be =
great if
you can tell how do you like it. 
 
 
 
 
 
Sukit Sittisudjatum 
 
Bangkok, Thailand 
 
www.thaiflight.com &lt;http://www.thaiflight.com&gt;

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