[simpits-tech] Cougar's Spiking Pot!
Chris Crowley
simpits-tech@simpits.org
Mon, 3 Mar 2003 06:33:43 -0500
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You are dead on Jay. I think that G'mont really boinked the consumer by
using pots. They were warned that pots were unacceptable, but went the cheap
route touting their digital hardware post processing. I am going to have to
order the throttle mod myself, and also planning to use Marv's stick base
for the joystick.
Regards,
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Joseph Fagner
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 3:12 AM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Cougar's Spiking Pot!
Sukit, I have the HE sensor on my stick (am currently awaiting the throttle
mod as I am getting pot spikes in the throttle as well!). I could go on and
on about how great they are (they are worth the money, trust me). GET THE
MOD!! My stick is as smooth as a baby's bottom and absolutely no spiking
whatsoever. The HE sensors Cub pilot uses are supposedly rated for
15,000,000 cycles (probably live longer that I will). Don't waste your time
or efforts on crappy pots that you will just have to change over and over
again. In the long run, the HE sensors will be cheaper and save you a lot
of headaches. Order both mods at once, as I have been waiting about 2-3
months for my throttle mod simply because Cub gets a ton of orders. I have
two cougars, one of which will be completely HE sensors with Ian Johnston's
Uber cougar mod and the other I am planning on using with Marv's LVDT stick
base when he gets it done. I am going to have Cub add on a second HE sensor
on my throttle mod when it's time for the throttle in my pit. Hope this
helps.
Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]
On Behalf Of Sittisudjatum, Sukit
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:26 AM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cougar's Spiking Pot!
Considering the working hours I've been using it, the pots in my Cougar set
shouldn't have a well-known "spiking" problem! But it happened to the pot
in my throttle last weekend. I just noticed it when I can't get to the idle
position when I flew a DC-3 in MSFS2002. Then, I tested it in Foxy analyzer
software, and accepted that there's a problem.
I checked in the hardware section of the official cougar web pages, and saw
that there's a Q&A about fixing the spiking pot! Gezzz... this must happen
to many cougar owners, so they have the Q&A listed. I experienced fixing a
spiking pot in my F-22 stick (FCLS+TQS) and it went well that time, so this
shouldn't be a big deal with a small CTS pot. But it's not, after
deassemble the pot, clean out the dust, putting grease, and put them all in
the positions.... there's still some noticable (and unacceptable) spiking
!!!! (It was an unhappy weekend to me). I thought I have to check the OEM
web site, and see if I can buy .. may be 10 pots! as spare parts.
I found the CTS web site, printed out the product catalog, and I even found
that there's a distributor in Bangkok (a big surprise to me). I suddenly
called the distributor, a sale person was not very kind. I was told that
they have some samples for the customers, and the minimum order will be as
lessas 10,000 pots!!!! Gosh, I need only 10.
FYI: The CTS web site is www.ctscorp.com <http://www.ctscorp.com> . You can
download the pdf technical data from it's product section
http://www.ctscorp.com/electro/251pot.htm
Just a story of my "almost" dead pot to share with the community. I would
be so glad if anyone can tell the exact model of the pot. My best guess
would be 251B15F104B5N1
If anyone here can find an electronic supply store where you can buy this
model, please let me know. Also, have anyone used the Cougar stick mod
"Hall effect sensor" from a cubpilot? It would be great if you can tell how
do you like it.
Sukit Sittisudjatum
Bangkok, Thailand
www.thaiflight.com <http://www.thaiflight.com>
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font-family:Arial'>You are dead on Jay. I think that G’mont really =
boinked the
consumer by using pots. They were warned that pots were unacceptable, =
but went
the cheap route touting their digital hardware post processing. I am =
going to
have to order the throttle mod myself, and also planning to use =
Marv’s stick
base for the joystick.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org =
[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]<b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Joseph Fagner<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 03, =
2003 3:12
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
simpits-tech@simpits.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: =
[simpits-tech]
Cougar's Spiking Pot!</span></font></p>
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sukit, I have =
the HE
sensor on my stick (am currently awaiting the throttle mod as I am =
getting pot
spikes in the throttle as well!). I could go on and on about how =
great
they are (they are worth the money, trust me). GET THE MOD!! =
My stick
is as smooth as a baby’s bottom and absolutely no spiking =
whatsoever. The
HE sensors Cub pilot uses are supposedly rated for 15,000,000 cycles =
(probably
live longer that I will). Don’t waste your time or efforts =
on crappy pots
that you will just have to change over and over again. In the long =
run,
the HE sensors will be cheaper and save you a lot of headaches. =
Order
both mods at once, as I have been waiting about 2-3 months for my =
throttle mod
simply because Cub gets a ton of orders. I have two cougars, one =
of which
will be completely HE sensors with Ian Johnston’s Uber cougar mod =
and the other
I am planning on using with Marv’s LVDT stick base when he gets it =
done.
I am going to have Cub add on a second HE sensor on my throttle mod when =
it’s
time for the throttle in my pit. Hope this =
helps.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
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Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] =
<b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Sittisudjatum, Sukit =
<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 03, =
2003 1:26
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
simpits-tech@simpits.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [simpits-tech] =
Cougar's
Spiking Pot!</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Considering
the working hours I've been using it, the pots in my Cougar set =
shouldn't have
a well-known "spiking" problem! But it happened to the =
pot in
my throttle last weekend. I just noticed it when I can't get to =
the idle
position when I flew a DC-3 in MSFS2002. Then, I tested it in Foxy
analyzer software, and accepted that there's a =
problem.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman" FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>I checked in the <u>hardware</u> section of the official =
cougar
web pages, and saw that there's a Q&A about fixing the spiking =
pot!
Gezzz... this must happen to many cougar owners, so they have the =
Q&A
listed. I experienced fixing a spiking pot in my F-22 stick =
(FCLS+TQS)
and it went well that time, so this shouldn't be a big deal with a small =
CTS
pot. But it's not, after deassemble the pot, clean out the dust, =
putting
grease, and put them all in the positions.... there's still some
noticable (and unacceptable) spiking !!!! (It was an unhappy =
weekend
to me). I thought I have to check the OEM web site, and see if I =
can buy
.. may be 10 pots! as spare parts.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman" FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>I found the CTS web site, printed out the product catalog, =
and I
even found that there's a distributor in Bangkok (a big surprise to =
me).
I suddenly called the distributor, a sale person was not very =
kind. I was
told that they have some samples for the customers, and the minimum =
order will
be as lessas 10,000 pots!!!! Gosh, I need only 10.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman" FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>FYI: The CTS web site is <a =
href=3D"http://www.ctscorp.com">www.ctscorp.com</a>.
You can download the pdf technical data from it's product section <a
href=3D"http://www.ctscorp.com/electro/251pot.htm">http://www.ctscorp.com=
/electro/251pot.htm</a>
</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman" FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Just a story of my "almost" dead pot to share =
with the
community. I would be so glad if anyone can tell the exact model =
of the
pot. My best guess would be =
<u>251B15F104B5N1</u></span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>If anyone here can find an electronic supply store =
where you
can buy this model, please let me know. Also, have anyone used the =
Cougar
stick mod "Hall effect sensor" from a cubpilot? It would =
be
great if you can tell how do you like it.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
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color=3Dblue
face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>Bangkok, Thailand</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
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face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
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color:black'><a =
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