[simpits-tech] RE: Bending Wood [Making seats]
Ben Clark
simpits-tech@simpits.org
Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:21:45 +0000
Don't even bother trying to bend MDF by any method involving water. Doing so
you actually lose a lot of the strength of the board due to the way in which
the board is made.
Plywood however is a different affair and can be steam bent to your hearts
content just be careful as plywood can delaminate. The best thing to do is
make a mould and then bend it slowly in stages using clamps to hold it while
it drys after each bend. This way you prevent the wood getting too wet and
so causing it to delaminate, and you reduce the stress on it preventing it
from breaking as you bend it. Fine it does take a little longer but its well
worth the time and effort.
>From: "Ian Grant" <grant_ian@yahoo.com>
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>At this point I should open mouth and insert foot. Of course plywood
>bends! That's how (some) boats are built. And not forgetting the de
>Havilland Mosquito...
>
>Check this webpage out:
>http://www.xs4all.nl/~pidi/huxworld/huxworld.htm
>
>-and-
>http://www.xs4all.nl/~pidi/huxworld/huxworld6.htm for seat making!
>
>This looks TOO cool. I know, it's not a plane. Goes fast enough,
>however!
>
>/Ian
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
>[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Mike Williams
>Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 1:18 AM
>To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
>Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] RE: Bending Wood
>
>I am using a fiberglass panel to skin my pit and seatpan ,it wil
>probably
>work for what you need, go into the bathroom section where they sell the
>wall paneling for bathrooms at Lowes or Menards, I go to Menards around
>here, its a 4x8 sheet, about 25 bucks, you can use the leftover for a
>multitude of other uses on your pit, there is also a plastic type of the
>same sheet that is less expensive but probably will work, the fiberglass
>panel forms up real nice, about 1/16th thick and is textured gloss on
>one
>side and real smooth on the other, if you look around the restrooms at
>the
>fastfood joints, most of them are paneled and cieling tiled in the
>stuff.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
>[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Ian Grant
>Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:33 PM
>To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
>Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] RE: Bending Wood
>
>
>I'm a bit late coming into this (PC problems, and I'm trying to start a
>carpentry business!), so my apologies if you've already solved the
>problem.
>
>Luaun plywood is basically hardwood plywood (typically from Indonesia,
>and the actual species of wood is a hit-or-miss affair). It, to my
>knowledge, can't be properly steamed.
>
>Fine Woodworking magazine (http://www.finewoodworking.com) carries
>articles on bending wood, and the publisher (Taunton Press,
>http://www.taunton.com) has a couple of books ("bending wood" in the
>search box) describing the process.
>
>The traditional way of shaping wood is actually pretty quick with most
>woods. You'll need a spokeshave and some clear (no knots) wood. After
>that it's mainly a question of time.
>
>Someone recommended using a router on MDF. While it's possible, I don't
>know of any quicker way to blunt the router bit, so make sure you have a
>couple of bits available. It also produces an incredible amount of toxic
>dust - so use a good mask. Not one of those cheap paper ones, but a
>sturdy one with a filter. (There speaks the voice of experience! Like I
>say, it's possible, but incredibly messy!)
>
>You could try it with plywood. My wife and I purchased an ancient chair
>(I'm guessing early part of last century) that was made with plywood,
>and its curves are really smooth. On the other hand, it may just be thin
>laminates of wood that were steamed and glued - it's really quite
>difficult to tell!
>
>Another option would be borrow a technique from wood-strip canoes and
>build the seat up over a frame with thin (1/4" (4mm, I think) strips of
>wood, and a really good glue. Plenty of weight in strategic spots, and a
>lot of clamps should do the trick. I haven't tried it, but there is no
>reason to presume it wouldn't work. (If anyone knows differently, let us
>know!)
>
>Model railway folks make interesting shapes (mountains, etc) out of
>laminated insulation. It's light, and glues easily. I can't recall which
>glue to avoid, but there is at least one that melts the insulation
>instead of gluing it... After that, fair the curves with a knife, cover
>with fiberglass and sand. I would guess that a reasonably strong chair
>could be built that way, although I would think about bracing the back
>somehow. You could also glue some foam to the seat for additional
>comfort?
>
>Just some ideas! Hope it helps.
>
>/Ian
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
>[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Julia Roberts
>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:49 PM
>To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
>Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] RE: Bending Wood
>
>Hi friends
>
>One "light" idea you can to befoam "Polyurethane Mousse" and then to
>sand-paper finally (optional) light layer of fibber-glass.
>
>J.R.
>
>
> >From: "Joseph Fagner" <crease-guard@attbi.com>
> >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> >To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> >Subject: [simpits-tech] RE: Bending Wood
> >Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:39:58 -0500
> >
> >
> >
> >Tha
> >
> >--__--__--
> >I got most of the ideas from Joe's site, problem is, I can't find 1/8"
> >MDF. I went to Home Depot and Lowes (they didn't have any MDF) and HD
> >only had 1/4 inch which I felt would just be too thick to bend. I
>tried
> >some different paneling material that looked similar to MDF, but the
> >problem there was, it wasn't a uniform thickness and the thinner areas
> >would crack.
> >
> >As for the hardboard/MDF difference, I know they are not the same, but
> >it does seem like some folks use them interchangeably which is
> >frustrating. I tried wetting 1/8" plywood, but because the different
> >sheets are at 90 degrees to one another, I got cracking there too.
> >
> >What I want to do is, to build the seat pan and bottom of the seat as
> >close to the real thing as I can. I am assembling a survival kit from
> >the AcesII and almost have it complete. I am also working on the
>flight
> >gear as well and have gotten some hard to find stuff (at least for me
>it
> >was HTF).
> >
> >Any ideas are welcome.
> >
> >Jay
> >
> >
> >
> >Message: 2
> >From: "Jean Yves Surfin'" <surfer.man@wanadoo.fr>
> >To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] RE: Simpits-tech digest, Vol 1 #391 - 7
>msgs
> >Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 08:33:16 +0200
> >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> >
> >Hi !
> >
> >The wet bending method from Joe "WOMBAT" seems to work well.
> >I've not try actually but It will use it as reference.
> >many many pictures of his site...
> >http://www.bosnjak.com/
> >
> >Hope it will help you.
> >
> >Sincerly
> >Jean-Yves
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joseph Fagner" <crease-guard@attbi.com>
> >To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> >Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 11:38 PM
> >Subject: [simpits-tech] RE: Simpits-tech digest, Vol 1 #391 - 7 msgs
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Roy, what exactly did you use for the skin and how did you bend it?
>I
> > > was trying to construct my aces II seat and ended up destroying the
> >MDF
> > > trying to get different things to bend in the shape of the seat. I
>am
> > > now having to start over and am going to make darn sure that I have
>it
> > > right this time before starting construction.
> > >
> > > Jay
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roy Coates" <roy@flightlab.liv.ac.uk>
> > > To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 7:17 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Fingers Crossed
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Chris Woodul wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Where do you work?
> > > >
> > > > The following are my current toys:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.flightlab.liv.ac.uk/heliflight/
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > > http://www.x-plane.info/cockpit/
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Roy.
> > > >
> > > >
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> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 3
> >From: "Rob Hommel" <rhommel@tacoma.net>
> >To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] RE: Simpits-tech digest, Vol 1 #391 - 7
>msgs
> >Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 00:47:20 -0700
> >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> >
> >Jay
> >
> >For bending MDF use the thinnest board that is available in your area.
> >Wetting the board does work you may notice that if it is too wet the
> >board
> >begins to delaminate. MDF is a composite board made much like cardboard
> >but
> >much denser. Using a spray bottle to wet the board down may be the
> >solution
> >or just dipping it into a pan of water for a brief period may be your
> >solution. The solution which I used was that of slowly bending the
>board
> >and
> >tacking it frequently as I slowly bent the board into place. Another
> >solution I have found that works to varying degrees is cutting into the
> >back
> >side of the MDF prior to bending. Cut just enough material away to give
> >the
> >board greater flex. The thing about MDF or hardboard is that it is
> >fairly
> >inexpensive to purchase and the possibilities for it's use are quite
> >diverse. Heavy MDF when wet develops blisters which are hard to remove
> >so be
> >very careful when working with thicker MDF.
> >
> >BTW there are differences between MDF and hardboard, we tend to use the
> >terms interchangeably around here.
> >
> >Keep 'em Flying
> >Rob Hommel
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joseph Fagner" <crease-guard@attbi.com>
> >To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> >Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 2:38 PM
> >Subject: [simpits-tech] RE: Simpits-tech digest, Vol 1 #391 - 7 msgs
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Roy, what exactly did you use for the skin and how did you bend it?
>I
> > > was trying to construct my aces II seat and ended up destroying the
> >MDF
> > > trying to get different things to bend in the shape of the seat. I
>am
> > > now having to start over and am going to make darn sure that I have
>it
> > > right this time before starting construction.
> > >
> > > Jay
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roy Coates" <roy@flightlab.liv.ac.uk>
> > > To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 7:17 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Fingers Crossed
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Chris Woodul wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Where do you work?
> > > >
> > > > The following are my current toys:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.flightlab.liv.ac.uk/heliflight/
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > > http://www.x-plane.info/cockpit/
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Roy.
> > > >
> > > >
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> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 4
> >From: "Jean Yves Surfin'" <surfer.man@wanadoo.fr>
> >To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> >Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:57:54 +0200
> >Subject: [simpits-tech] To Marv ....My order ACES II Sear Arm Switch
>and
> >list of wishes
> >Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> >
> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >
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> >
> >Hello Marv,
> >
> >Could you remember too me price of MARVelous ACES II seat arm switch ?
> >I would like to order one to you. It's so realistic...
> >
> >By the way, are you able to realize some others F-16 parts :
> >
> >1=B0 Handles
> >. on the middle console,=20
> >. for alt. gear at front left
> >. and canopy jettison
> >I've no idea if it's more easier to build them (certalinly not for the
>=
> >third)
> >
> >
> >2=B0 The two indicator assemblies besides HUD (for Angle Of Attack at
> >=
> >left and the other ar right NWS )
> >To be clear, the metal empty box with the light diming handle system
>on
> >=
> >side.
> >The customer/user will furnish indicator, bulbs and so on...
> >
> >3 =B0 the HUD assembly (except glass/plexi.) ?
> >
> >
> >4=B0 Arm Rest ?
> >
> >
> >What do you think about my ideas / wishes ?
> >
> >As I'm from France, have you some infos about shipping amount for the =
> >Arm switch ?
> >I've Paypal.
> >
> > Thanks for all,
> >Jean-Yves Jouanny
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----=20
> >From: "Marv De Beque" <mdebeque@woh.rr.com>
> >To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> >Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 10:46 PM
> >Subject: [simpits-tech] ACES II Sear Arm Switch
> >
> >
> > > Finished.
> > >=20
> > > Got these done for those who ordered them.
> > >=20
> > > What can I build you guys next?
> > >=20
> > > Marv
> > >=20
> > >=20
> >
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> ><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3DGENERATOR>
> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> ></HEAD>
> ><BODY>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello Marv,</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Could you remember too me price of =
> >MARVelous ACES=20
> >II seat arm switch ?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I would like to order one to you. It's
> >=
> >so=20
> >realistic...</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>By the way, are you able to realize =
> >some=20
> >others F-16 parts :</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>1=B0 =
> >Handles</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>. on the middle =
> >console, </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>. for alt. gear at front =
> >left</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>. and canopy jettison</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've no idea if it's more easier to =
> >build them=20
> >(certalinly not for the third)</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>2=B0 The two=20
> >indicator</STRONG> <STRONG>assemblies</STRONG> besides HUD =
> >(for Angle=20
> >Of Attack at left and the other ar right NWS )</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To be clear, the metal=20
> >empty box with the light diming handle system on=20
> >side.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The customer/user will =
> >furnish indicator,=20
> >bulbs and so on...</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>3 =B0 the</STRONG> =
> ><STRONG>HUD</STRONG>=20
> >assembly (except glass/plexi.) ?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>4=B0 Arm Rest</STRONG> =
> >?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What do you think about my ideas / =
> >wishes=20
> >?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As I'm from France, have you some
>infos
> >=
> >about=20
> >shipping amount for the Arm switch ?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've Paypal.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Thanks for all,</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jean-Yves Jouanny</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From: "Marv De Beque" <</FONT><A=20
> >href=3D"mailto:mdebeque@woh.rr.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
> >size=3D2>mdebeque@woh.rr.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
> >size=3D2>></FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To: <</FONT><A=20
> >href=3D"mailto:simpits-tech@simpits.org"><FONT face=3DArial=20
> >size=3D2>simpits-tech@simpits.org</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
> >size=3D2>></FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 10:46 =
> >PM</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Subject: [simpits-tech] ACES II Sear =
> >Arm=20
> >Switch</FONT></DIV></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial><BR><FONT size=3D2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT =
> >face=3DArial=20
> >size=3D2>> Finished.<BR>> <BR>> Got these done for those who =
> >ordered=20
> >them.<BR>> <BR>> What can I build you guys next?<BR>>
> ><BR>>=20
> >Marv<BR>> <BR>> </FONT></BODY></HTML>
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