[simpits-tech] Hello
Mike Williams
simpits-tech@simpits.org
Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:44:47 -0500
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My comments were in MY way a subtle right of my free speech, disention is
also a right of free speech, never asked for an apology from Gene, heck I
would'nt be so bold as to do that. I realize this list survives because of
the G-man. I admit I may have let my passion overflow to list, when there
was no real intention from Gene, apologies to all.
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From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Alan D. Mazurka
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:59 PM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
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Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Hello
HI, Brian.
Gene doesn't have to apologize for his opinion any more than you should
for yours.
This is a country of free speech, and the flip side of this right is
tolerance for the opinions of other's.
You are going to have to learn to tolerate (read: not become offended by)
the opinion of others - it's that simple. When we start limiting other's
speech to fit our own sensitivities, things begin to get very scary, indeed.
The debates about 1 engine versus 2 repeat themselves just as often on
this list as politics are on the others. I blow them off as fast as i can
speed-read them, and walk away none the less offended. The engines of the
craft in my "pit" can pull 50 eagles (with afterburner) backwards, but i
don't feel offended by anybody's opinion on 1 engine versus 2.
Of course, there are other countries where everyone loves their leader,
and no one has to be offended by differing opinions.
Iran, Iraq and Libya are a few that quickly spring to mind.
- adm -
At 02:31 PM 10/22/02 -0500, you wrote:
I didnt say he was wrong to say what he did, only it rubbed me the wrong
way, I read the list to relax and enjoy,I'm free to say anything I want
also, but realizing this is not a debating list, I choose to stay away
from
topics which may offend national/international subscribers or folks on
the
other side of the fence , religiously and politicly. Theres enough Bush
bashing in the air simulation newsgroups and air simulation forums to
fullfill anyones appetite, not too mention the left media, BTW, Pres.
Bush
has a bachelor's degree from Yale University and a Master of Business
Administration from Harvard Business School, certainly that relegates
him
above idiot status. I certainly realize the list has a large
international
audience, my comments to Gene over the jest was made more for their
consumption ,because of what the press spoon feeds them, (Reuters, UPI,
CNN)
I think they largly think that most Americans do not stand behind the
President, I only want to present my views to them, since 911 , I have
to
admit, I do take some matters quite serious. I'll get back off the
soapbox,
sorry for the offtopic thread.
-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Brian Sikkema
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 2:04 PM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Hello
Not to go completely political on this list, but I gotta say this. I
stand
behind Bush myself. He may not be the greatest president ever, but I'm
sure
glad he was around for the 11th rather than that other guy. That being
said,
there is NEVER a time when someone shouldn't be able to make a critical
comment about the president. Gene's comment isn't going to undermine his
authority or make his job any harder, it's just an oppinion/joke. Last I
checked those are still legal. As much as I can disagree with some of
the
critics sometimes, I still believe people have the right to criticize
whoever they want until they're blue in the face. If you start nibbling
at
those rights, you are heading back to the dark days of McCarthy. No
thanks.
And yes, this is all coming from a conservative and a member of the
Armed
Forces.
Brian
----Original Message Follows----
From: Mike Williams <mikewilliams3@comcast.net>
Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Hello
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:31:37 -0500
guesse I'm an Idiotarian then, I stand 100% behind President Bush.
Surely this is not the time to bash the American President on a hobby
list,
Gene, even though it is in jest, the comment rubbed me the wrong way.
> > The Prezidetn."
>
> P.s. has anyone else noticed that the current president of the USA
always
> says "Nucular" when he's trying to say Nuclear?? ;-)
>
He switched parties. He's gone from Republican to Idiotarian. :)
g.
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<DIV><SPAN class=230582821-22102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>My
comments were in MY way a subtle right of my free speech, disention is also a
right of free speech, never asked for an apology from Gene, heck I would'nt
be so bold as to do that. I realize this list survives because of the G-man. I
admit I may have let my passion overflow to list, when there was no real
intention from Gene, apologies to all.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Alan D. Mazurka<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:59
PM<BR><B>To:</B> simpits-tech@simpits.org<BR><B>Cc:</B>
adm.design@verizon.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [simpits-tech]
Hello<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>HI, Brian.<BR><BR>Gene doesn't have to apologize for
his opinion any more than you should for yours.<BR><BR>This is a country of
free speech, and the flip side of this right is tolerance for the opinions of
other's.<BR><BR>You are going to have to learn to tolerate (read: not become
offended by) the opinion of others - it's that simple. When we start limiting
other's speech to fit our own sensitivities, things begin to get very scary,
indeed.<BR><BR>The debates about 1 engine versus 2 repeat themselves just as
often on this list as politics are on the others. I blow them off as fast as i
can speed-read them, and walk away none the less offended. The engines of the
craft in my "pit" can pull 50 eagles (with afterburner) backwards, but i don't
feel offended by anybody's opinion on 1 engine versus 2.<BR><BR>Of course,
there <I>are</I> other countries where everyone loves their leader, and no one
has to be offended by differing opinions.<BR><BR>Iran, Iraq and Libya are a
few that quickly spring to mind.<BR><BR> - adm -<BR><BR>At 02:31 PM
10/22/02 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">I didnt say he was wrong to say
what he did, only it rubbed me the wrong<BR>way, I read the list to relax
and enjoy,I'm free to say anything I want<BR>also, but realizing this is not
a debating list, I choose to stay away from<BR>topics which may offend
national/international subscribers or folks on the<BR>other side of the
fence , religiously and politicly. Theres enough Bush<BR>bashing in the air
simulation newsgroups and air simulation forums to<BR>fullfill anyones
appetite, not too mention the left media, BTW, Pres. Bush<BR>has a
bachelor's degree from Yale University and a Master of
Business<BR>Administration from Harvard Business School, certainly that
relegates him<BR>above idiot status. I certainly realize the list has a
large international<BR>audience, my comments to Gene over the jest was made
more for their<BR>consumption ,because of what the press spoon feeds them,
(Reuters, UPI, CNN)<BR>I think they largly think that most Americans do not
stand behind the<BR>President, I only want to present my views to them,
since 911 , I have to<BR>admit, I do take some matters quite serious. I'll
get back off the soapbox,<BR>sorry for the offtopic
thread.<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org<BR>[<A
href="mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org"
eudora="autourl">mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org</A>]On Behalf Of
Brian Sikkema<BR>Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 2:04 PM<BR>To:
simpits-tech@simpits.org<BR>Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Hello<BR><BR><BR>Not
to go completely political on this list, but I gotta say this. I
stand<BR>behind Bush myself. He may not be the greatest president ever, but
I'm sure<BR>glad he was around for the 11th rather than that other guy. That
being said,<BR>there is NEVER a time when someone shouldn't be able to make
a critical<BR>comment about the president. Gene's comment isn't going to
undermine his<BR>authority or make his job any harder, it's just an
oppinion/joke. Last I<BR>checked those are still legal. As much as I can
disagree with some of the<BR>critics sometimes, I still believe people have
the right to criticize<BR>whoever they want until they're blue in the face.
If you start nibbling at<BR>those rights, you are heading back to the dark
days of McCarthy. No thanks.<BR><BR>And yes, this is all coming from a
conservative and a member of the
Armed<BR>Forces.<BR><BR>Brian<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>----Original Message
Follows----<BR>From: Mike Williams
<mikewilliams3@comcast.net><BR>Reply-To:
simpits-tech@simpits.org<BR>To: simpits-tech@simpits.org<BR>Subject: RE:
[simpits-tech] Hello<BR>Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:31:37 -0500<BR><BR>guesse
I'm an Idiotarian then, I stand 100% behind President Bush.<BR>Surely this
is not the time to bash the American President on a hobby list,<BR>Gene,
even though it is in jest, the comment rubbed me the wrong
way.<BR><BR> > > The
Prezidetn."<BR> ><BR> > P.s. has anyone else noticed that
the current president of the USA always<BR> > says "Nucular" when
he's trying to say Nuclear?? ;-)<BR> ><BR>He switched
parties. He's gone from Republican to Idiotarian.
:)<BR><BR>g.<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Simpits-tech
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