[simpits-tech] Aircon possibilities

Wed, 27 Nov 2002 20:36:10 -0800

You can buy 12v and 24v equivalents. Yes 240 volts is standard down under
:-)
Rod
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Fagner <crease-guard@attbi.com>
To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:15 PM
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the pit?


> Only problem with those is that they are 240 v.  Is that standard
> voltage down under?  I would need an electrician to run an outlet for
> that.
>
> Jay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Albert Yung
> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:13 AM
> To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the
> pit?
>
> Craig,
>
> I think the duct in the F16 is located between your legs infront of the
> ejection handle. not sure if there are any others...I am sure there are.
> I
> have follow up your question to a few F16 crew chiefs I know from my
> VFW.
> Hopefully they will come online and give me some good info in a few
> hour's
> time.
>
> I think its very clever to use the Air Cond. panel to actually controls
> the
> air float inside the pit. Another boost in realism. Why didnt I thought
> of
> that before??
>
> Craig, on another note, I would like to hear your opinion on these
> portable
> I have found.
>
> http://www.gasmart.com.au/html/dimplex_.html
>
> Its not as good as a window mount system. However, it can save me a hell
> of
> a lot of installation, breaking the window and security bars. Plus not
> have
> to worry kids vendalising something half stuck out the window. The cost
> of
> them is only a few hundred dollars Australian more compare to a window
> mount
> system. The flat I live in now its my parents, and they are concern with
> electric bills associated with an air conditioner despite the fact now
> that
> I work and can pay for a little addition to living standard...they are
> just
> old school. Instead of trying to convince them and break the wall. I
> thought
> I will go ahead and use this system to allow me to unplug the air
> conditioner from the pit and take it into my folk's bed room on a very
> hot
> night to give them better sleep. I think the concept would be the same
> like
> you mentioned before, build a shrud around the outlet and feed the cool
> air
> into the cockpit.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Albert
> Sydney, Australia
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- e
> From: "Craig Rochester" <johncraigroch@msn.com>
> To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:56 PM
> Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside the
> pit?
>
>
> > Hi Rod,
> >
> > Sounds like you have a well thought out plan.  That's a good idea to
> cool
> > the panel and monitors with ventilation and having  the A/C for the
> interior
> > separate.   The "mixing box" for modulating the A/C temperature is
> perfect.
> > You'll get a nice, even supply temperature without the cycling on/off
> with
> a
> > thermostat type control.
> >
> > I've done a little searching for info on the F-16's A/C and found this
> link
> > for the "F-16C Air Conditioning Panel":
> > http://home.att.net/~sfinger/F16aircond.htm
> >
> > Any idea what RAM, DUMP, and NORMAL - AIR SOURCE means?  Am I correct
> in
> > assuming the left dial is a proportional control like on a car?
> Anyone
> know
> > where the ducts and/or nozzles are in a jet?
> >
> > Craig R.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]
> > On Behalf Of Rod Dale
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:17 PM
> > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside
> the
> pit?
> >
> > The thermosensor normally sits in or near the air exhaust outlet in
> the
> > cockpit. Most I've worked on have this outlet in the rear bulkhead
> behind
> > the seat somewhere.
> > I'm going to duct my room aircon in/out of my F-111 as per Craig's
> diagram.
> > The outlets will be - 2 eyeball types in the centre overhead beam assy
> and
> > one in each footwell (pilot and nav). These will have small PC power
> supply
> > type fans in them to force the air out. I'm planning on making a servo
> > controlled valve to allow more\less cool air in. This air will mix
> with
> the
> > ambient room temperature and hopefully make it reasonably comfortable.
> The
> > servo will be controlled from the F-111 Aircon panel.
> > To cool the monitors I plan to have an exhaust fan in the front that
> will
> > draw the hot air out from behind the instrument panel and two vents
> low
> down
> > on either side for the incoming room air.
> > I'm going to use the cabin pressure gauge as the temperature
> indicator,
> with
> > sensor located near the exhaust air outlet.
> > When I draw this up I will upload it.
> > Rod
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Sean Galbraith <sean.g@paradise.net.nz>
> > To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] How do you deal with temperature inside
> the
> pit?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >Would someone like to come up with a temperature gauge that shows
> the
> > > >temperature inside the cockpit replacing an engine temp gauge or
> other
> > > >gauge, would that be too tacky?
> > >
> > > I would imagine that most military pit's would have an A?C panel
> anyway,
> > > with a thermostat in it.  I know the (1970 vintage) A-4k does,
> midway
> down
> > > the RH-Wedge panel....  Why not just use that?
> > >
> > > Sean.
> > >
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