[simpits-tech] About F16 angle console....

Biggles simpits-tech@simpits.org
Wed, 12 Jun 2002 02:26:46 +0200 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <ccrowley@mccrowley.com>
To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:01 AM
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] About F16 angle console....


> Well, I had heard from here that the front instrument panel has a
different
> rake from the A to C, and hadn't got that far yet. woohoo. I will
> incorporate the rake!
>
> I had noticed a slight inward tilt of the side panels, about 4 degrees on
> the model (that wasn't hard to measure, just how accurate??). If its more,
I
> would love to hear about it, since I am close to that step.
> I am mocking up the aux panels and sides in Styrofoam before I fab. I
think
> I will get a good idea of that with them. Well, could be time for a trip
to
> the nearest USAF base.
>
> I would also like to hear about the bend in the middle of the panels. I
> haven't built them yet, and could possibly modify the frame, depends on
the
> angles. It probably occurs near where the back of the seat meets the
bottom.
> either in front or behind the fuel panel. Guess I will see where the seat
> fits in all this (still have to make the bottom). Yes, I can handle that
> mod, now or later. Just a matter of the supports for me.


The Bend is in between the panels that are ligned up different.
For the right side its between the KY58 panel and the AIR COND panel, the
angle is approx 6 deg. where the aft part is horizontal.
As for the Left side the bend is in between the EXT LIGHTING and ELEC panel
and has the same degree.

The angle that is outbound is approx 6 degr. for both fore and aft of the
bend.

Hope this helps abit.

Biggles.

>
> The panels themselves look to have a five degree rise front to back. Aux
> panels on port and starboard are at different angles. Within four or five
> degrees.
>
> As far as redoing it, hey this is fun stuff, first time I have really
built
> anything that came out square :-) I might do a phase 2 as well someday. In
> the meantime, this bad dog will help me develop my avionics!!
>
> Don't get me wrong, I want to make this puppy as close to real as I can
> given a limited budget (yup, not buying any 6k maintenance trainers off of
> ebay - no sir).
>
> Anyway, I think this site/newsgroup is the greatest and my hats off to all
> of you.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Biggles
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 8:19 AM
> To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] About F16 angle console....
>
>
> One of the main difference of the ERTL model are the side panels.
> As mentioned before, they are tilted inwards.
> Also they have a bend somewhere in the middle of the panel (this gives the
> backside a different angle in relation to the ground then the front part).
> I found that the ERTL is close to real dimensions on other details.
> I am building my pit mixed with real parts and was stunned to find that
most
> parts fit within milimeters.
> Have to mention that i took me hours to get the messurements from the
model
> and convert them.
> Its all about the tolerance you are willing to adopt.
>
> Biggles.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erwin Neyt" <rwntn@hvv.nl>
> To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:08 PM
> Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] About F16 angle console....
>
>
> > Chris,
> >
> > Beware that the ERTL model is not dimensionally correct. I don't have
any
> > details but was assured several times there are some major flaws in it.
> >
> > Erwin
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chris [mailto:ccrowley@mccrowley.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 11 June, 2002 11:48
> > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> > > Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] About F16 angle console....
> > >
> > >
> > > I went to the FTP site myself, and other members sites. I
> > > also bought an
> > > ERTL 1/12 model. Between these 3 sources I was able to get most of the
> > > information I needed to begin building. The biggest challenge
> > > was the WL and
> > > FS locations of the rudder floor. I did this graphically with
> > > drawings from
> > > the group and scans of the instructions from the ERTL model.
> > > If anyone
> > > would like to know what I discovered I can let you know. I am
> > > not sure now
> > > whether to share this via this newsgroup, since Hi Rev might
> > > find out and
> > > try to make money on it.
> > >
> > > What is the group consensus on that position? Are we supposed
> > > to keep our
> > > discoveries to ourselves and indirectly make it difficult for fellow
> > > builders in order to spite a company called hi rev? I am new
> > > here and don't
> > > want to offend anyone.
> > >
> > > By the way, the ERTL model was a very big help.
> > >
> > > v/r
> > >
> > > Chris Crowley
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
> > > [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Rob Hommel
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 11:04 PM
> > > To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] About F16 angle console....
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris:
> > >
> > > The Simpits FTP site contains a great deal of information
> > > including cockpit
> > > drawings of various aircraft. Gene has placed a great deal of
> > > effort in this
> > > FTP site for the benefit of all members of the Simpits Community. The
> > > uploading of images/files such as are being discussed to the
> > > FTP site would
> > > perhaps be the best place to make it available to all members
> > > of the group.
> > > Their is a caveat, we cannot say that the company being
> > > discussed cannot
> > > ever get access to this information. If they are interested
> > > in obtaining
> > > this information their are other means of obtaining it. The
> > > Simpits Group is
> > > only a very small one, in a sea of others. If you can get
> > > this information
> > > others may as well.
> > >
> > > To the person who first requested this information, if you
> > > have not done so
> > > please check the FTP site to see if this information is
> > > already available. A
> > > request such as this may have already been answered, I seem
> > > to remember a
> > > previous discussion on a similar topic.  New members to the Simpits
> > > community or those unfamiliar to the FTP site please take the time to
> > > familiarize yourself with this valuable resource.
> > >
> > > I await the FAQ that has been mentioned to become available,
> > > and for some
> > > person to come forward to take over the maintenance of the
> > > web site. Any
> > > takers?
> > >
> > > The Simpits Community is not here to bash any company but we
> > > have always had
> > > a keen interest in any rumor that affects our avocation or
> > > vocation.Please
> > > take it that way, just the same there does seem to be a story in there
> > > someplace that I for one would love to hear.
> > >
> > > Chris, as you have no doubt learned by now not all traffic
> > > within the group
> > > is on-topic, there is a fair amount of kidding that takes place, some
> > > jealousy and envy as well. Some of the membership I am still
> > > in awe of after
> > > all this time. There has been rumor that Bert Betran has
> > > looked in upon the
> > > group as well as the major league players in the aviation industry,
> > > commercial and general aviation and high performance aircraft
> > > as well. The
> > > software manufactures are interested in the group some of the
> > > membership has
> > > beta tested software's and other have created ad on's to existing
> > > software's.
> > >
> > > Membership in this group is much like any community their are
> > > folks who are
> > > less than honest and would steal from the group and not
> > > contribute but the
> > > good ones make up for this.Prior to being a member into this group you
> > > contributed to the group now as a member we welcome your
> > > contributions and
> > > your own brand of humor to keep us amused.
> > >
> > > Keep 'em Flying
> > > Rob Hommel
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chris Woodul" <crewstation1@charter.net>
> > > To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 5:11 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] About F16 angle console....
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Gene and Group,
> > > >
> > > > I do not wish to affect anyones dealing with any company one way or
> > > another.
> > > > My goals here are fisrtly becuase I am an avid sim builder
> > > and fanatic for
> > > > cockpits and seats. I am not here as a representative of
> > > any company (
> > > > including where I work) In fact, my market place is the High End
> > > market...I
> > > > do have many frineds in the Home Pitting world and many of
> > > them help me
> > > with
> > > > my project. I cannot do this alone. I totally belive in the
> > > sharing of
> > > good
> > > > ideas when it is prudent.
> > > > As a rational person though I felt I had to make the
> > > statement that I
> > > > did.....I cannot ignore scenarios that affect me
> > > personally. Please take
> > > all
> > > > comments I make with a grain of salt.
> > > > In the mean time, I have lots of great access and data that
> > > I think can be
> > > > useful to this group, just as the group does in return to
> > > me, Thats what
> > > > makes this disscussion board work.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb@deltasoft.com>
> > > > To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 1:11 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] About F16 angle console....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > builders. But it is very important that this
> > > information does not end
> > > up
> > > > > > at a company called Hi Rev Sims. I am tired of
> > > unwittingly providing
> > > > > > them with information. My work Email is cwoodul@fain.com I am a
> > > simpits
> > > > >
> > > > > Hehehe.  Therein lies many a problem Chris.  How can we
> > > (as a group)
> > > > > provide data to each other without some corporate wonk
> > > coming through
> > > and
> > > > > sifting through it?  We really can't.  HOWEVER, we can
> > > ensure that no
> > > one
> > > > > buys their junk. :)  Keep in mind that there are over 300
> > > people on this
> > > > > list and to a company that builds sim parts for a home
> > > market, it's a
> > > > > pretty significant customer base to piss off. :)  If Hi
> > > Rev isn't on the
> > > > > up and up, I'm sure folks here would just _love_ to hear
> > > about it. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > g.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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