[simpits-tech] About F16 angle console....

Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:44:37 -0400

I don't think that information is so sensitive that I would worry about it.
That's my personal opinion.

The ERTL model is not too bad.  You can use the floor plan.  It is correct.

The consoles are another matter.  The front console for an A is very
different than the C.  They have different rakes or angles from the
perpendicular of the floor.  The A is set forward at 15 degrees and the C is
at 10 degrees.  The ERTL model is an A.

There is information on the list for side console dimensions.  They are not
accurate, unfortunately.  For example, if you ever add a set of the plastic
side walls that are available from time to time on eBay, you will find
things don't match up (I did).

It is hard to imagine what your project will ultimately have as far as real
parts in the future, but you should be careful to not lock yourself out of a
great deal.  One day, some part off of a real F-16 will become available at
a price you can't refuse.  Then, when you try to install it, you will find
it doesn't fit.  

I am speaking from experience.  I have a boat load of real parts just
sitting there because they don't fit.  At some point I have to build a new
cockpit.  The only thing I can salvage from my current cockpit shell is the
floor and seat.  ;-/  At least my new house has a place to burn stuff in the
back yard.

Marv
-- 

> From: "Chris" <ccrowley@mccrowley.com>
> Reply-To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 05:47:38 -0400
> To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] About F16 angle console....
> 
> I went to the FTP site myself, and other members sites. I also bought an
> ERTL 1/12 model. Between these 3 sources I was able to get most of the
> information I needed to begin building. The biggest challenge was the WL and
> FS locations of the rudder floor. I did this graphically with drawings from
> the group and scans of the instructions from the ERTL model.  If anyone
> would like to know what I discovered I can let you know. I am not sure now
> whether to share this via this newsgroup, since Hi Rev might find out and
> try to make money on it.
> 
> What is the group consensus on that position? Are we supposed to keep our
> discoveries to ourselves and indirectly make it difficult for fellow
> builders in order to spite a company called hi rev? I am new here and don't
> want to offend anyone.
> 
> By the way, the ERTL model was a very big help.
> 
> v/r
> 
> Chris Crowley
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Rob Hommel
> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 11:04 PM
> To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] About F16 angle console....
> 
> 
> Chris:
> 
> The Simpits FTP site contains a great deal of information including cockpit
> drawings of various aircraft. Gene has placed a great deal of effort in this
> FTP site for the benefit of all members of the Simpits Community. The
> uploading of images/files such as are being discussed to the FTP site would
> perhaps be the best place to make it available to all members of the group.
> Their is a caveat, we cannot say that the company being discussed cannot
> ever get access to this information. If they are interested in obtaining
> this information their are other means of obtaining it. The Simpits Group is
> only a very small one, in a sea of others. If you can get this information
> others may as well.
> 
> To the person who first requested this information, if you have not done so
> please check the FTP site to see if this information is already available. A
> request such as this may have already been answered, I seem to remember a
> previous discussion on a similar topic.  New members to the Simpits
> community or those unfamiliar to the FTP site please take the time to
> familiarize yourself with this valuable resource.
> 
> I await the FAQ that has been mentioned to become available, and for some
> person to come forward to take over the maintenance of the web site. Any
> takers?
> 
> The Simpits Community is not here to bash any company but we have always had
> a keen interest in any rumor that affects our avocation or vocation.Please
> take it that way, just the same there does seem to be a story in there
> someplace that I for one would love to hear.
> 
> Chris, as you have no doubt learned by now not all traffic within the group
> is on-topic, there is a fair amount of kidding that takes place, some
> jealousy and envy as well. Some of the membership I am still in awe of after
> all this time. There has been rumor that Bert Betran has looked in upon the
> group as well as the major league players in the aviation industry,
> commercial and general aviation and high performance aircraft as well. The
> software manufactures are interested in the group some of the membership has
> beta tested software's and other have created ad on's to existing
> software's.
> 
> Membership in this group is much like any community their are folks who are
> less than honest and would steal from the group and not contribute but the
> good ones make up for this.Prior to being a member into this group you
> contributed to the group now as a member we welcome your contributions and
> your own brand of humor to keep us amused.
> 
> Keep 'em Flying
> Rob Hommel
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Woodul" <crewstation1@charter.net>
> To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] About F16 angle console....
> 
> 
>> Hi Gene and Group,
>> 
>> I do not wish to affect anyones dealing with any company one way or
> another.
>> My goals here are fisrtly becuase I am an avid sim builder and fanatic for
>> cockpits and seats. I am not here as a representative of any company (
>> including where I work) In fact, my market place is the High End
> market...I
>> do have many frineds in the Home Pitting world and many of them help me
> with
>> my project. I cannot do this alone. I totally belive in the sharing of
> good
>> ideas when it is prudent.
>> As a rational person though I felt I had to make the statement that I
>> did.....I cannot ignore scenarios that affect me personally. Please take
> all
>> comments I make with a grain of salt.
>> In the mean time, I have lots of great access and data that I think can be
>> useful to this group, just as the group does in return to me, Thats what
>> makes this disscussion board work.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb@deltasoft.com>
>> To: <simpits-tech@simpits.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 1:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] About F16 angle console....
>> 
>> 
>>>> builders. But it is very important that this information does not end
> up
>>>> at a company called Hi Rev Sims. I am tired of unwittingly providing
>>>> them with information. My work Email is cwoodul@fain.com I am a
> simpits
>>> 
>>> Hehehe.  Therein lies many a problem Chris.  How can we (as a group)
>>> provide data to each other without some corporate wonk coming through
> and
>>> sifting through it?  We really can't.  HOWEVER, we can ensure that no
> one
>>> buys their junk. :)  Keep in mind that there are over 300 people on this
>>> list and to a company that builds sim parts for a home market, it's a
>>> pretty significant customer base to piss off. :)  If Hi Rev isn't on the
>>> up and up, I'm sure folks here would just _love_ to hear about it. :)
>>> 
>>> g.
>>> 
>>> 
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