[simpits-tech] RE: [simpits-tech]MFD/HUD data
Erwin Neyt
simpits-tech@simpits.org
Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:22:15 +0200
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Multi monitor support will have a lot more impact on the code. Added bonus
to the sh.mem. solution is that you can use networked PC's (and off-load the
Falcon PC) to display the MFD's. Also the HUD and RWR are redundant pages,
so they are available too.
Also multi monitor support is often mentioned in the context of multiple OTW
windows, which is nice but will hurt FPS badly (see
http://www.eagle9.nl/redir2.asp?lokatie=/main/Programming/Doxs/default.asp
<http://www.eagle9.nl/redir2.asp?lokatie=/main/Programming/Doxs/default.asp>
) I rather see they alter the MP code, and add an option to run a second PC
in 'slave' mode.
Erwin.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris [mailto:ccrowley@mccrowley.com]
Sent: Sunday, 09 June, 2002 14:27
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Servo Driven Gauges and MFD/HUD data
If the G2I plan is to provide multi monitor support, couldn't there be one
view with MFD's that are rendered all the time, and others (HUD Mode)
without? I probably don't understand what G2 means by multi montor support.
I am just curious (not impatient) and trying to be helpful, I am not even
close to being able to make use of this. Thanks for your hard work Erwin and
by the way I am very impressed with your software!!!
Chris Crowley
-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Erwin Neyt
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 4:36 AM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Servo Driven Gauges and MFD/HUD data
Problem is that if the MFD's are not onscreen, they will not be rendered at
all.
What we want is MFD data which is rendered all the time (for example we
we're in HUD only mode)
Erwin.
BTW. I can't say much but I am in contact with G2I concerning this subject.
Please be patient.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris [mailto:ccrowley@mccrowley.com]
Sent: Saturday, 08 June, 2002 12:31
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Servo Driven Gauges and MFD/HUD data
Why is this feature so complicated? The MFDs show up in the Black boxes that
are located in the "virtual cockpits". If you have ever looked at the
virtual cockpit graphics, all of the gauges are blacked out so the software
can generate the flight info in the black areas. Somehow a function places
them in a position that is "cut out" for them. It varies from virtual
cockpit to virtual cockpit, or even from view to view.
Now if they are adding multiple monitor capability, why not have a view that
is just the LEFT and one that is just the right MFD? This would be simpler
than pulling the raw data out of the code.
This is a question, I am sure its more complicated than that.
Chris Crowley
(Building Viper Pit)
-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Marc Weigert
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 7:35 PM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: AW: [simpits-tech] Servo Driven Gauges and MFD/HUD data
Hello Joseph,
thanks for your answer!
So it looks as if there is a vague chance that we will see this feature in
the future!
Is it so complicated for them to do this, or is it just a matter of focusing
on features that the broad simulation comunity will appreaciate?
Cheers,
Marc
To answer your question Marc, I asked him (G2I Guy) and his response was
there is no current way to display that data. We (myself and others) asked
that they make it available for output anyway and we'll figure out a way to
display it. So I don't know if it will be output or not. This guy (Claude
'shadow' Cavanaugh President and CEO of G2I) and his email
shadow@g2interactive.com <mailto:shadow@g2interactive.com> seems real open
to answering questions and has an EPIC system himself and tells me they/he
is currently working on a mode to interface the EPIC and Cougar. So I hold
out hope there will be MFD/HUD data.
Crease-guard
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D075303115-09062002>Multi=20
monitor support will have a lot more impact on the code. Added bonus to =
the=20
sh.mem. solution is that you can use networked PC's (and off-load the =
Falcon PC)=20
to display the MFD's. Also the HUD and RWR are redundant pages, so they =
are=20
available too.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D075303115-09062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D075303115-09062002>Also=20
multi monitor support is often mentioned in the context of multiple OTW =
windows,=20
which is nice but will hurt FPS badly (see <A=20
href=3D"http://www.eagle9.nl/redir2.asp?lokatie=3D/main/Programming/Doxs=
/default.asp">http://www.eagle9.nl/redir2.asp?lokatie=3D/main/Programmin=
g/Doxs/default.asp</A>)=20
I rather see they alter the MP code, and add an option to run a second =
PC in=20
'slave' mode.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D075303115-09062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D075303115-09062002>Erwin.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Chris=20
[mailto:ccrowley@mccrowley.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, 09 June, 2002 =
14:27<BR><B>To:</B> simpits-tech@simpits.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:=20
[simpits-tech] Servo Driven Gauges and MFD/HUD =
data<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D110271712-09062002><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial size=3D2>If=20
the G2I plan is to provide multi monitor support, couldn't there be =
one view=20
with MFD's that are rendered all the time, and others (HUD =
Mode) without?=20
I probably don't understand what G2 means by multi montor support.=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D110271712-09062002><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D110271712-09062002><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial size=3D2>I am=20
just curious (not impatient) and trying to be helpful, I am not even =
close to=20
being able to make use of this. Thanks for your hard work Erwin and =
by the way=20
I am very impressed with your software!!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D110271712-09062002><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D110271712-09062002><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Chris Crowley</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org =
[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>Erwin Neyt<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 09, 2002 4:36 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B> simpits-tech@simpits.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:=20
[simpits-tech] Servo Driven Gauges and MFD/HUD =
data<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D045292708-09062002>Problem is that if the MFD's are not =
onscreen, they=20
will not be rendered at all.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D045292708-09062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D045292708-09062002>What we want is MFD data which is =
rendered all the=20
time (for example we we're in HUD only mode)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D045292708-09062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D045292708-09062002>Erwin.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D045292708-09062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D045292708-09062002>BTW. I can't say much but I am in =
contact with G2I=20
concerning this subject. Please be =
patient.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Chris=20
[mailto:ccrowley@mccrowley.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, 08 =
June, 2002=20
12:31<BR><B>To:</B> simpits-tech@simpits.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
RE:=20
[simpits-tech] Servo Driven Gauges and MFD/HUD =
data<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D720442510-08062002>Why is this feature so complicated? =
The MFDs show=20
up in the Black boxes that are located in the "virtual cockpits". =
If you=20
have ever looked at the virtual cockpit graphics, all of the =
gauges are=20
blacked out so the software can generate the flight info in the =
black=20
areas. Somehow a function places them in a position that is "cut =
out" for=20
them. It varies from virtual cockpit to virtual cockpit, or even =
from view=20
to view.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D720442510-08062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D720442510-08062002>Now if they are adding multiple =
monitor=20
capability, why not have a view that is just the LEFT and one =
that is just=20
the right MFD? This would be simpler than pulling the raw data =
out of the=20
code.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D720442510-08062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D720442510-08062002>This is a question, I am sure its more =
complicated than that. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D720442510-08062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D720442510-08062002>Chris Crowley</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D720442510-08062002>(Building Viper =
Pit)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org=20
[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Marc =
Weigert<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 07, 2002 7:35 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
simpits-tech@simpits.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> AW: [simpits-tech] =
Servo=20
Driven Gauges and MFD/HUD data<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D2><FONT =
face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><SPAN class=3D434440523-07062002><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
face=3DTahoma>Hello=20
Joseph,</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D2><FONT =
face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#000000=20
face=3DTahoma><SPAN=20
=
class=3D434440523-07062002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D+0><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D434440523-07062002>thanks for your=20
answer!</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D+0><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
=
class=3D434440523-07062002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D+0><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D434440523-07062002>So it looks as if =
there is a=20
vague chance that we will see this feature in the future!=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D+0><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
=
class=3D434440523-07062002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D+0><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D434440523-07062002>Is it so =
complicated for them=20
to do this, or is it just a matter of focusing on features that =
the=20
broad simulation comunity will=20
appreaciate?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D+0><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
=
class=3D434440523-07062002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D+0><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
=
class=3D434440523-07062002>Cheers,</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D+0><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
=
class=3D434440523-07062002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D+0><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D434440523-07062002>Marc</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To =
answer your=20
question Marc, I asked him (G2I Guy) and his response was =
there is no=20
current way to display that data. We (myself and =
others) asked=20
that they make it available for output anyway and we'll =
figure out a=20
way to display it. So I don't know if it will be output =
or=20
not. This guy (Claude 'shadow' Cavanaugh President and =
CEO of=20
G2I) and his email <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:shadow@g2interactive.com">shadow@g2interactive.com</A>=20
seems real open to answering questions and has an EPIC system =
himself=20
and tells me they/he is currently working on a mode to =
interface the=20
EPIC and Cougar. So I hold out hope there will be =
MFD/HUD=20
data.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">Crease-guard</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BL=
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