AW: [simpits-tech] F-16 Ejection Seat configuration ...the last word!
Marc Weigert
simpits-tech@simpits.org
Sat, 8 Jun 2002 01:08:46 +0200
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Hello Chris,
welcome to the list & thank you for confirming that history of F-16 e-seats!
I think many of us would love to test seat your collection - it sounds
incredible! How many ACES II do you finally own? Do you have sources to get
hold of them in future?
Cheers & a nice weekend to everybody,
Marc
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]Im Auftrag von Chris Woodul
Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Juni 2002 03:59
An: Simpits-tech@simpits.org
Betreff: [simpits-tech] F-16 Ejection Seat configuration ...the last word!
HI I was doing a search online and saw the message thread about F-16
seats...including the proof of F-16s with red headrests.
I won the seat on Ebay, and had one other seat just like it before ( which
was in worse shape)
The Seat on Ebay was a STENCEL SIIIS Ejection Seat, NOT an ACES II
The history goes like this:
The first two YF-16 Prototypes actually had Douglas ESCAPAC's in them (
grey seats similar to the seat in the A-4 Skyhawk, and the early Navy A-7's)
The Eight FSD (FULL SCALE DEVELOPMENT) Aircraft had Stencel SIIIS Ejection
seats in them. These seats are quite different in configuration and shape
than the ACES II. The red you see on the head box area is actually a small
cushion that is snapped onto the headbox( the seat I won off Ebay was
missing the headbox, but I have a new one)
The Production Aircraft recieved the ACES II seats from what was then
McDonnell Douglas ( which sold the seat line to Boeing which then sold the
seat line to Goodrich)
Douglas won the deal of the century and trumped Stencel out of the
Ejection Seats for the F-15 and F-16. I also have the F-15 prototype seat
from Stencel.
Most ACES IIs have grey headrest pads ( which are actually little
rectangles of rubber coated foam glued to a metal stamped plate. I have seen
( and own some ACES II's where the pads are Black) and in the case of the
B-1B head rest pads are red (originally) but are also black , or grey. ( I
have a B-1B ACES II in my collection and choose to display it with grey
headrest pads, while retaining the Red Seat Cushions. ( B-1Bs are now
recieving Greyish Lambskin Cushions, and F-16's, and F-15s are using Black
Lambs wool cushions)
Early F-16 Parachute Container/Headbox assy's were green, while new seats
( or replacement units ) are black fabric ( and paint) for anti reflective
purposes.
I currently own an F-16 ACES II and have five differnt models, and have
had Four F-16 ACES II Seats in my collection over the years.
The Stencel is actually a little bit more comfortable, but both seats
offer a nice feel.
In the Stencel the seat bucket moves for seat hieght adjustment, and in
the ACES II the whole seat moves up and down.
I am a SimBuilder, An Ejection Seat Collector, and professionally employed
in the Flight Simulation World.
I hope that this diatribe I just wrote is helpful to anyone who was
concerned on this subject.
Sincerely,
Chris Woodul
To the webmaster, I am not subscribed to the discussion board....could you
please post this message?
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Chris,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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think many of us would love to test seat your collection - it sounds =
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How many ACES II do you finally own? Do you have sources to get hold of =
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future?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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& a nice weekend to everybody,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2>-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----<BR><B>Von:</B>=20
simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org =
[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]<B>Im=20
Auftrag von </B>Chris Woodul<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Freitag, 7. Juni 2002 =
03:59<BR><B>An:</B> Simpits-tech@simpits.org<BR><B>Betreff:</B> =
[simpits-tech]=20
F-16 Ejection Seat configuration ...the last =
word!<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>HI I was doing a search online and =
saw the=20
message thread about F-16 seats...including the proof of F-16s with =
red=20
headrests.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I won the seat on Ebay, and had one =
other seat=20
just like it before ( which was in worse shape) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Seat on Ebay was a STENCEL SIIIS =
Ejection=20
Seat, NOT an ACES II</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The history goes like =
this:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The first two YF-16 Prototypes =
actually had=20
Douglas ESCAPAC's in them ( grey seats similar to the seat in the A-4 =
Skyhawk,=20
and the early Navy A-7's)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Eight FSD (FULL SCALE =
DEVELOPMENT) Aircraft=20
had Stencel SIIIS Ejection seats in them. These seats are quite =
different in=20
configuration and shape than the ACES II. The red you see on the head =
box area=20
is actually a small cushion that is snapped onto the headbox( the seat =
I won=20
off Ebay was missing the headbox, but I have a new one)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Production Aircraft recieved the =
ACES II=20
seats from what was then McDonnell Douglas ( which sold the seat line =
to=20
Boeing which then sold the seat line to Goodrich)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Douglas won the deal of the century =
and trumped=20
Stencel out of the Ejection Seats for the F-15 and F-16. I also have =
the F-15=20
prototype seat from Stencel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Most ACES IIs have grey headrest pads =
( which are=20
actually little rectangles of rubber coated foam glued to a metal =
stamped=20
plate. I have seen ( and own some ACES II's where the pads are Black) =
and in=20
the case of the B-1B head rest pads are red (originally) but are also =
black ,=20
or grey. ( I have a B-1B ACES II in my collection and choose to =
display it=20
with grey headrest pads, while retaining the Red Seat Cushions. ( =
B-1Bs are=20
now recieving Greyish Lambskin Cushions, and F-16's, and F-15s are =
using Black=20
Lambs wool cushions)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Early F-16 Parachute =
Container/Headbox assy's=20
were green, while new seats ( or replacement units ) are black fabric =
( and=20
paint) for anti reflective purposes. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I currently own an F-16 ACES II and =
have five=20
differnt models, and have had Four F-16 ACES II Seats in my collection =
over=20
the years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Stencel is actually a little bit =
more=20
comfortable, but both seats offer a nice feel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the Stencel the seat bucket moves =
for seat=20
hieght adjustment, and in the ACES II the whole seat moves up and=20
down.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am a SimBuilder, An Ejection Seat =
Collector,=20
and professionally employed in the Flight Simulation =
World.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope that this diatribe I just =
wrote is helpful=20
to anyone who was concerned on this subject.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sincerely,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Chris Woodul</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To the webmaster, I am not subscribed =
to the=20
discussion board....could you please post this=20
message?<BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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