[simpits-chat] Dr. Fun III
Mike Williams
simpits-chat@simpits.org
Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:34:41 -0500
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STJ: as terrible as 9/11 was and is, terrorism must be stopped - but can
you from now hang every conflict you wish to enter on the word terror? I
think it is fair and i support the war in Afghanistan - but where will
it end? what about Shri Lanka, is that the next target? what im saying
is; you can not go after a country that you suspect houses terror
leaders - much like a court we must have definitely prove, and then
bring only the persons directly responsible to justice, holding a hole
nation responsible is plain and simple wrong. and still - i refuses to
believe that the world economy revolves around the middle east, and i
think this is just the point - ppl in the US are not prepared to pay 6
USD / gal for gas as we do in most of eu.
---If a country has a policy of harboring toerrorist or allowing training,
you bet ,
I would unleash a wrath of hell on them, you are right we are not willing to
pay 6 bucks a gallon, nor will we, because all of the euros do not mind
being bent over and gouged, you all have representative goverments, why do
you continue to
elect officials that put 300% taxes on everything you use, your problem, not
ours.
Colin Powell laid Iraqi connections out for the world at the UN meeting on
Feb 14th, he didnt make the case for you, I'm sorry, sounded like he knew
what he was talkiing about to me, I listened live to it and reread the
transscrpts, it was no coincidence Abu Nidal was killed in Iraq, where he
lived the last 15 years, you do know who Abu Nidal is?
STJ: I agree that the UN is not performing very well, in fact i might
even just say NOT performing at all, but that can not be used as an
excuse to slaughter a nation unless some sort of body/word court agrees,
otherwise we will start acting like the terrorists, a single person can
not / should not have the power to erase a nation...
---Both Houses of Congress passed a resolution giving President Bush
authority to
go to war against Iraq 3 months ago, that is NOT one person having the power
to erase a nation, The United States is not bound by any world court, as
much as the euros wish it were so, it is bound to the US Constitution only.
What do you mean by slaughter a nation, you think Sadam has been throwing a
celebration in Iraq the last 30 years? 1441 warned Iraq there would be grave
consequences if Iraq did not disarm, the same stipulations were in the
Ceasefire presented to Iraq at the end of the first Gulf War. Why has Sadam
not disarmed? Maybe because the UN is toothless? As for a slaughter of a
nation, where in history has America slaughtered a nation? There will be
many Iraqi military casualties just like the first war, civilian casualties
will most likely be light, just like the first gulf war. Enemy combatants
can lay down arms anytime to avoid being a cassualty. It was a grisly war,
I saw it up close, I was there with the 1st MarDiv. The choice for war lays
in Sadms lap, has for quite some time, diplomacy has met a dead end.
STJ; Leaders have been removed by force before - without a war, check
resent history in africa.... and about the UN, should it be dismantled?
and then what? have one person that controls every thing - i think that
have been done before - and it have a name; dictator ship.....
---Sadam has had 12 years to be removed by internal forces or the UN, its
not going to happen, if President Bush says they are a threat to our
national security, along w/ Colin Powell and Tony Blair, I will believe them
until it is proven otherwise, so far for me , it hasnt been proven otherwise
and I do not like the idea of setting around to see if they are proven right
STJ: you are right - my statement is over simplistic, but that was to
make a point, I will still say that when you here Pres. Bush talks, it
is like he is talking for someone else - and in interviews, when it
comes to the hard questions, he can not answer mainly because he might
not have the answers - but i would expect a president to have an answer
- and this is what makes me think, he is running someone elses
errands.... But i do agree on the question of why you still are in
germany? it would make more sense to move the troops to the balkan
area.....
--Stig, head over to Cspan website and watch his speech to the UN in sept(?)
I think the euro newsmedia is spoonfeeding a perception of the President to
reflect their own views, nah, that couldnt be so.
sorry for the tone of the response, it is not to be taken personal, more a
reflection
of my mindset at the moment, also, I do have a dog in this fight, my son is
currently in his fifth week of bootcamp at Parris Island , SC, he like his
ole man will most likely be in the desert, beating the same mule.--
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<DIV><BR>STJ: as terrible as 9/11 was and is, terrorism must be stopped -=
but can<BR>you from now hang every conflict you wish to enter on the wor=
d terror? I<BR>think it is fair and i support the war in Afghanistan - bu=
t where will<BR>it end? what about Shri Lanka, is that the next target? w=
hat im saying<BR>is; you can not go after a country that you suspect hous=
es terror<BR>leaders - much like a court we must have definitely prove, a=
nd then<BR>bring only the persons directly responsible to justice, holdin=
g a hole<BR>nation responsible is plain and simple wrong. and still - i r=
efuses to<BR>believe that the world economy revolves around the middle ea=
st, and i<BR>think this is just the point - ppl in the US are not prepare=
d to pay 6<BR>USD / gal for gas as we do in most of eu.<BR><BR>---If a co=
untry has a policy of harboring toerrorist or allowing training, you bet =
,</DIV>
<DIV>I would unleash a wrath of hell on them, you are right we are not wi=
lling to pay 6 bucks a gallon, nor will we, because all of the euros do n=
ot mind being bent over and gouged, you all have representative goverment=
s, why do you continue to</DIV>
<DIV>elect officials that put 300% taxes on everything you use, your prob=
lem, not ours.</DIV>
<DIV>Colin Powell laid Iraqi connections out for the world at the UN meet=
ing on Feb 14th, he didnt make the case for you, I'm sorry, sounded like =
he knew what he was talkiing about to me, I listened live to it and rerea=
d the transscrpts, it was no coincidence Abu Nidal was killed in Iraq, wh=
ere he lived the last 15 years, you do know who Abu Nidal is?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>STJ: I agree that the UN is not performing very well, in fact i =
might<BR>even just say NOT performing at all, but that can not be used as=
an<BR>excuse to slaughter a nation unless some sort of body/word court a=
grees,<BR>otherwise we will start acting like the terrorists, a single pe=
rson can<BR>not / should not have the power to erase a nation...<BR></DIV=
>
<DIV>---Both Houses of Congress passed a resolution giving President Bush=
authority to</DIV>
<DIV>go to war against Iraq 3 months ago, that is NOT one person having t=
he power to erase a nation, The United States is not bound by any world c=
ourt, as much as the euros wish it were so, it is bound to the US Constit=
ution only. What do you mean by slaughter a nation, you think Sadam has b=
een throwing a celebration in Iraq the last 30 years? 1441 warned Iraq th=
ere would be grave consequences if Iraq did not disarm, the same stipulat=
ions were in the Ceasefire presented to Iraq at the end of the first Gulf=
War. Why has Sadam not disarmed? Maybe because the UN is toothless? As f=
or a slaughter of a nation, where in history has America slaughtered a na=
tion? There will be many Iraqi military casualties just like the first wa=
r, civilian casualties will most likely be light, just like the first gul=
f war. Enemy combatants can lay down arms anytime to avoid being a cassua=
lty. It was a grisly war, I saw it up close, I was there with the 1=
st MarDiv. The choice for war lays in Sadms lap, has for quite some time,=
diplomacy has met a dead end.<BR><BR><BR>STJ; Leaders have been removed =
by force before - without a war, check<BR>resent history in africa.... an=
d about the UN, should it be dismantled?<BR>and then what? have one perso=
n that controls every thing - i think that<BR>have been done before - and=
it have a name; dictator ship.....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>---Sadam has had 12 years to be removed by internal forces or the UN=
, its not going to happen, if President Bush says they are a threat to ou=
r national security, along w/ Colin Powell and Tony Blair, I will believe=
them until it is proven otherwise, so far for me , it hasnt been proven =
otherwise and I do not like the idea of setting around to see if they are=
proven right. </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><BR><BR>STJ: you are right - my statement is over simplistic=
, but that was to<BR>make a point, I will still say that when you here Pr=
es. Bush talks, it<BR>is like he is talking for someone else - and in int=
erviews, when it<BR>comes to the hard questions, he can not answer mainly=
because he might<BR>not have the answers - but i would expect a presiden=
t to have an answer<BR>- and this is what makes me think, he is running s=
omeone elses<BR>errands.... But i do agree on the question of why you sti=
ll are in<BR>germany? it would make more sense to move the troops to the =
balkan<BR>area.....<BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>--Stig, head over to Cspan website and watch his speech to the UN in=
sept(?)<BR></DIV>
<DIV>I think the euro newsmedia is spoonfeeding a perception of the Presi=
dent to </DIV>
<DIV>reflect their own views, nah, that couldnt be so.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>sorry for the tone of the response, it is not to be taken personal, =
more a reflection</DIV>
<DIV>of my mindset at the moment, also, I do have a dog in this fight, my=
son is currently in his fifth week of bootcamp at Parris Island , SC, he=
like his ole man will most likely be in the desert, beating the same mul=
e.--</DIV>
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