[simpits-tech] RE: Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 5,
Issue 23 - pedal force
nissim hadar
nissimh at eun.co.il
Wed Jan 7 22:38:28 PST 2004
If you are talking about F-16 pedals then the force is constant and
doesn't depend on airspeed like other aircraft. Nissim Hadar
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Yoke/pedal force (Bubba)
2. Re: Yoke/pedal force (Matt Bailey)
3. my first pit website (Pete Curran)
4. One more PC case question......... (Matt Bailey)
5. RE: One more PC case question......... (Joseph Fagner)
6. New file uploaded to Simpits by David C. Allen.
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7. Re: One more PC case question......... (Bubba)
8. Re: my first pit website (Michi Hirczy)
9. Re: my first pit website (Roy Coates)
10. Re: One more PC case question......... (Roy Coates)
11. RE: One more PC case question......... (Roy Coates)
12. Re: my first pit website (Pete Curran)
13. Re: my first pit website (Pete Curran)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:07:24 -0600
From: "Bubba" <mysticz28 at swbell.net>
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Yoke/pedal force
To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
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Craig Rochester wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> I've worked with interfacing pneumatics to Falcon4. A servo
> controlled needle valve works, but uses a lot of compressed air and
> is noisy.
I was thinking of making it a closed system. 2 cylinders per axis. For
example, each rudder pedal would have a cylinder attached to it and the
cylinders would be connected to each other with the needle valve between
them.
--
Steve
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:09:21 -0500
From: Matt Bailey <mattb at rtccom.net>
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Yoke/pedal force
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
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The problem there is that you're changing the center point. You need
pressure
to build as you increase pedal input, with a needle valve between the
two
cylinders it would initially build but then start to taper off,
eventually
equalizing if you held a constant rudder input. I've always thought the
best
way to set up a pneumatic system would be to adjust pressure in the
cylinders
with airspeed. You'd still have a constant amount of air in the cylinder
for
a given speed, hence pressure would build as volume decreases, as you
depress
the pedal/yoke/stick, but this pressure would increase as airspeed in
the sim
increased. You'd have to have some serious regulators though.
-Matt Bailey
On Tuesday 06 January 2004 06:03 am, you wrote:
> I just had another of my ideas. I'm planning on putting pneumatic
cylinders
> on the yoke and pedals to give more resistance, then using a needle
valve
> between the cylinders to adjust the resistance. How about controlling
that
> valve with a servo that's controlled by airspeed so the resistance
> increases with speed?
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:54:58 +1100
From: "Pete Curran" <petesboyz at punkass.com>
Subject: [simpits-tech] my first pit website
To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
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http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/rules0/
its not much but it is a start
Pete
Oz
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 22:21:03 -0500
From: Matt Bailey <mattb at rtccom.net>
Subject: [simpits-tech] One more PC case question.........
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
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OK, think I'm gonna try my Dremel with a cutting disc first on the
throttle
idea, just wondering, when cutting/sanding painted areas of the case
(either
on the chassis or on the case cover) do I need any kind of dust mask or
anything? The chassis is painted with some sort of flat gray stuff, the
white
on the case cover I'd guess is epoxy based but not sure.
-Matt Bailey
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 21:32:56 -0600
From: "Joseph Fagner" <falcon4 at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] One more PC case question.........
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It's always a good idea to wear some sort of dust mask when doing stuff
like
that. [soapbox] Also, wear safety glasses. I get tired of plucking
metal
from corneas because people don't take the time to wear safety glasses.
[/soapbox]
Jay
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Subject: [simpits-tech] One more PC case question.........
OK, think I'm gonna try my Dremel with a cutting disc first on the
throttle
idea, just wondering, when cutting/sanding painted areas of the case
(either
on the chassis or on the case cover) do I need any kind of dust mask or
anything? The chassis is painted with some sort of flat gray stuff, the
white
on the case cover I'd guess is epoxy based but not sure.
-Matt Bailey
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 19:52:35 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: [simpits-tech] New file uploaded to Simpits by David C.
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A new file has been uploaded to the simpits.org website!
Filename: Aileron_Feel1.pdf.
Uploaded by: David C. Allen.
Type / Subject: Image - Component/Control / Boeing 737.
Description: Conceptual Aileron Trim & Feel Assembly for a 737NG flight
simulator, using Cam & Follower with Linear actuators for Increased feel
pressure and trim positioning.
Link: http://www.simpits.org/fileproc/dload.php?file=Aileron_Feel1.pdf
Browser Type: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)
IP Address : 63.227.246.224
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 22:00:03 -0600
From: "Bubba" <mysticz28 at swbell.net>
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] One more PC case question.........
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Matt Bailey wrote:
> OK, think I'm gonna try my Dremel with a cutting disc first on the
> throttle
> idea, just wondering, when cutting/sanding painted areas of the case
> (either
> on the chassis or on the case cover) do I need any kind of dust mask
> or
> anything? The chassis is painted with some sort of flat gray stuff,
> the white
> on the case cover I'd guess is epoxy based but not sure.
Cover all the spots you're cutting with masking tape. It tends to catch
the
dust and schrapnel that cutoff wheels produce. Also remember that cutoff
wheels work with high speed, not high pressure, so let the blade work. I
hope you got reinforced wheels. The cheap ones last about 1/10th as long
as
reinforced.
--
Steve
mysticz28 at swbell.net
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 10:24:06 +0100
From: Michi Hirczy <mi.hi at gmx.net>
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] my first pit website
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
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Pete Curran wrote:
> http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/rules0/
>
> its not much but it is a start
>
> Pete
> Oz
Hi, Pete!
nice pit, looking good...what's the 2nd computer for?
just for us Mozilla/Firebird users - please, do _not_ use backslashes
("\") in your <img>-tags, they are not html-conform.
(i.e. http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/rules0/images\pit01.JPG should be
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/rules0/images/pit01.JPG)
greetings
michi
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:30:43 +0000 (GMT)
From: Roy Coates <roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] my first pit website
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Pete Curran wrote:
> http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/rules0/
>
> its not much but it is a start
>
Looks flyable to me - and you can easily expand on it too.
What is the saitek dash? Don't think I've seen one of those.
Roy.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:32:09 +0000 (GMT)
From: Roy Coates <roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] One more PC case question.........
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Matt Bailey wrote:
> OK, think I'm gonna try my Dremel with a cutting disc first on the
throttle
> idea, just wondering, when cutting/sanding painted areas of the case
(either
> on the chassis or on the case cover) do I need any kind of dust mask
or
> anything? The chassis is painted with some sort of flat gray stuff,
the white
> on the case cover I'd guess is epoxy based but not sure.
>
Matt - its _always_ good practice to wear a mask. Even the cheapo ones
will trap a suprising amount of FOD which is better out than in!
Remember to sand with a fairly light grade of wet'n'dry before spraying
for a better, more durable finish.
Roy.
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:33:30 +0000 (GMT)
From: Roy Coates <roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] One more PC case question.........
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Joseph Fagner wrote:
> It's always a good idea to wear some sort of dust mask when doing
stuff like
> that. [soapbox] Also, wear safety glasses. I get tired of plucking
metal
> from corneas because people don't take the time to wear safety
glasses.
> [/soapbox]
>
Never mind the soapbox... *BULLHORN* WEAR SAFETY SPECS!
Even the smallest spec of metal in the eye hurts like hell, and then
some.
Roy.
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 21:18:58 +1100
From: "Pete Curran" <petesboyz at punkass.com>
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] my first pit website
To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
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Roy
the saitek PC dash is a programable keyboard, 36 buttons all macro
programable
Pete
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From: "Roy Coates" <roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk>
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Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] my first pit website
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Pete Curran wrote:
> http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/rules0/
>
> its not much but it is a start
>
Looks flyable to me - and you can easily expand on it too.
What is the saitek dash? Don't think I've seen one of those.
Roy.
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 21:23:40 +1100
From: "Pete Curran" <petesboyz at punkass.com>
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] my first pit website
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Michi
too much time with DOS and not enough with HTML
problem now fixed
Pete
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From: "Michi Hirczy" <mi.hi at gmx.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] my first pit website
Pete Curran wrote:
> http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/rules0/
>
> its not much but it is a start
>
> Pete
> Oz
Hi, Pete!
nice pit, looking good...what's the 2nd computer for?
just for us Mozilla/Firebird users - please, do _not_ use backslashes
("\") in your <img>-tags, they are not html-conform.
(i.e. http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/rules0/images\pit01.JPG should be
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/rules0/images/pit01.JPG)
greetings
michi
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