[simpits-tech] Gsuit-Aircompressor-F4

Albert simpits-tech@simpits.org
Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:15:54 +1000


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G'day Craig,

Good to hear from you. The concept of the servo pushes down on the =
diaphragm of a pressure regulator make sense to me. How it is =
constructed is something I am not too sure at this stage. However, I am =
researching and evaluating whether its a thing to do to my own project. =
After reading on the simpit forum link. I wonder how much will a normal =
regular/ exhaust valve be worth? Like yourself, I have never work with a =
servo previously, but I am slowly coming to terms with what it does :) =
Judging from the amount of PSI required to inflat the Gsuit... will =
something like a small compressor typical for airbrushing be good for =
the purpose?=20

A mate was going to give me a 50PSI air compressor (for nail gun) but =
when I told him the most I will need from a compressor is only about 10 =
PSI. He asked me what on earth am I doing with it? YOu should have seen =
the guy trying hard to understand what on earth I am trying to do :) =
Judging by your experience, it sounds like it really only need 4psi to =
do the job. So I thought something small will hopefully be cheaper and =
also quieter compared to a larger louder compressor.=20

Similar to the problem of trying to cool down my cockpit previously with =
an active cooling system. (At the moment, the canopy is not on the pit =
yet. I use a normal household rotary fan blowing air in from the =
location of the rudders) Space and noise will be an issue I have to take =
into consideration. Did I mention budget as well :)=20

Thanks for sharing your insight with us Craig.

Cheers,

Al
Sydney, Oz
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Craig Rochester=20
  To: simpits-tech@simpits.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 3:12 PM
  Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Gsuit-Aircompressor-F4


  Hi Al,

  I've been working with a couple of guys in Norway on this(I'm in US).  =
We use the "shared file" in Falcon4 to get the G data.  One of the other =
guys wrote a small program that runs in the background with Falcon.  The =
program takes the G data and drives a servo.  The servo pushes down on =
the diaphragm of a pressure regulator that controls the pressure to the =
suit.

  The max pressure in high G maneuvers(real jet) is about 10 psi.  The =
military uses this in simulators at about 5 psi max. I use mine at 4 psi =
max as 5 psi is starting to hurt.

  I use mine more as a motion cue device than a simulation of the G-suit =
function.  I've added a component to increase the speed and sensitivity =
of the exhaust part of the regulator.  By having immediate response, =
changes in G feel like real motion(inertial forces).

  I locate my compressor 50' away in another room.  The rig makes a fair =
amount of hissing a farting; I wrap a towel around it and reduce most of =
the noise.

  There's info here:

  http://www.simpits.org/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=3D55&forum=3D1&28
  =
http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=3D&threadid=3D20800

  Craig R.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org =
[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Albert
    Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 7:30 PM
    To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
    Subject: [simpits-tech] Gsuit-Aircompressor-F4


    I think someone has already been using a air compressor controlled =
by a computer to inflat a Gsuit for their flight simulator?

    My Gsuit is coming in on Wednesday (Thanks to Sukit from Thailand) =
and I was wondering how the setup is. What kind of computer, software =
and compressor are used and if it can be used in conjunction with falcon =
4?=20

    My other concerns are the noise factor from the compressor...as well =
as the pain factor :)

    Thanks in advance,

    Al
    Sydney, Oz
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>G'day Craig,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good to hear from you. The concept of =
the servo=20
pushes down on the diaphragm of a pressure regulator make sense to me. =
How it is=20
constructed is something I am not too sure at this stage. =
However,&nbsp;I am=20
researching and evaluating whether its&nbsp;a thing to&nbsp;do to my own =

project.&nbsp;After reading on the simpit forum link.&nbsp;I wonder how =
much=20
will a&nbsp;normal regular/&nbsp;exhaust valve be worth? Like yourself, =
I have=20
never work with a servo previously, but I am slowly coming to terms with =
what it=20
does :) Judging from the amount of PSI required to inflat the Gsuit... =
will=20
something like a small compressor typical for airbrushing be good for =
the=20
purpose? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A mate was going to give me a 50PSI air =
compressor=20
(for nail gun)&nbsp;but when I told him the most I will need from a =
compressor=20
is only about 10 PSI. He asked me what on earth am I doing with it? YOu =
should=20
have seen the&nbsp;guy trying hard to understand what on earth I am =
trying to do=20
:)&nbsp;Judging by your experience, it sounds like it really only need =
4psi to=20
do the job. So I thought something small will hopefully be cheaper and =
also=20
quieter compared to a larger louder compressor. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Similar to the problem of trying to =
cool down my=20
cockpit previously with&nbsp;an active cooling system.&nbsp;(At the =
moment, the=20
canopy is not on the pit yet. I use a normal household rotary fan =
blowing air in=20
from the location of the rudders) Space and noise will be an issue I =
have to=20
take into consideration. Did I mention budget as well :) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for sharing your insight with us =

Craig.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>
<DIV><BR>Al</DIV>
<DIV>Sydney, Oz</FONT></DIV>
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  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt =B7s=B2=D3=A9=FA=C5=E9; =
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  <A title=3Djohncraigroch@msn.com =
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  Rochester</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt =B7s=B2=D3=A9=FA=C5=E9"><B>To:</B> <A =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt =B7s=B2=D3=A9=FA=C5=E9"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, =
June 15, 2003 3:12 PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt =B7s=B2=D3=A9=FA=C5=E9"><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
[simpits-tech]=20
  Gsuit-Aircompressor-F4</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D921075104-15062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hi=20
  Al,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D921075104-15062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D921075104-15062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I've=20
  been working with a couple of guys in Norway on this(I'm in US).&nbsp; =
We use=20
  the "shared file" in Falcon4 to get the G data.&nbsp; One of the other =
guys=20
  wrote a small program that runs in the background with Falcon.&nbsp; =
The=20
  program takes the G data and drives a servo.&nbsp; The servo pushes =
down on=20
  the diaphragm of a pressure regulator that controls the pressure to =
the=20
  suit.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D921075104-15062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D921075104-15062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The=20
  max pressure in high G maneuvers(real&nbsp;jet)&nbsp;is about 10 =
psi.&nbsp;=20
  The military uses this in simulators at about 5 psi max.&nbsp;I use =
mine at 4=20
  psi max as 5 psi is starting to hurt.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D921075104-15062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D921075104-15062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
  use mine more as a motion cue device than a simulation of the G-suit=20
  function.&nbsp; I've added a component to increase the speed and =
sensitivity=20
  of the exhaust part of the regulator.&nbsp; By having immediate =
response,=20
  changes in G feel like real motion(inertial =
forces).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D921075104-15062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D921075104-15062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
  locate my compressor 50' away in another room.&nbsp; The rig makes a =
fair=20
  amount of hissing a farting; I wrap a towel around it and reduce most =
of the=20
  noise.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D921075104-15062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D921075104-15062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2>There's info here:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D921075104-15062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D921075104-15062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.simpits.org/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=3D55&amp;forum=3D=
1&amp;28">http://www.simpits.org/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=3D55&amp;foru=
m=3D1&amp;28</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D921075104-15062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=3D&amp;thread=
id=3D20800">http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=3D&amp;th=
readid=3D20800</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D921075104-15062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D921075104-15062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2>Craig R.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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    size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
    simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org =
[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]<B>On=20
    Behalf Of</B> Albert<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 14, 2003 7:30=20
    PM<BR><B>To:</B> simpits-tech@simpits.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
[simpits-tech]=20
    Gsuit-Aircompressor-F4<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think =
someone&nbsp;has&nbsp;already been=20
    using a air compressor controlled by a computer to inflat a Gsuit =
for their=20
    flight simulator?</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
    <DIV><BR>My Gsuit is coming in on Wednesday (Thanks to Sukit from =
Thailand)=20
    and I was wondering how the setup is. What kind of computer, =
software and=20
    compressor are used and if it can be used in conjunction with falcon =
4?=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>My other concerns&nbsp;are the noise factor from the =
compressor...as=20
    well as the pain factor :)</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Thanks in advance,</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Al</DIV>
    <DIV>Sydney, Oz</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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