[simpits-tech] Sim landing vs Real thing
John P. Miguez
simpits-tech@simpits.org
Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:11:39 -0500
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"If it helps your pride any, landing Sims is way, way harder than the
real thing."
I agree! I have over 2500 hours in T-37s, T38s, B-52's, F-4s from my =
Air Force days. I also have about 250 hours in Cessna's. Most of the =
time Sim flying is harder than the real airplane. I think the reason =
are two. Sim controls are sloppy compared to a real airplane. In the =
real world once the aircraft is trimmed up it will practally fly itself. =
Not so in MSFS. 2002 is much better than older versions, but have you =
ever tried to refuel or fly formation in a sim? The fine control needed =
there is just not available in a sim.
The second reason is "seat of the pants." You can't feel the aircraft =
in a sim. Pilots in real aircraft use this all the time. The pilots of =
a bygone era use to land Jenny's and Stearman's with out the use of =
fancy instruments. They felt the aircraft and listened to the sound of =
the wires. The T-38 is a hard aircraft to land. Once you roll of the =
perch and start the final turn, you are on the edge of a stall. You =
often fly the final turn with a slight tickle of a buffet. Two little =
buffet and you over shoot, too much and you die. One of the hardest =
things for a student pilot to do was to learn the feel of this buffet. =
It was done by feel.
In regards to the sim pilot who couldn't land the F-16. Welcome to the =
club :) I ripped off the landing gear of many a F-16 in Falcon 4.0. I =
actually corresponded with a flying buddy who had flow both the F4 and =
the F16. One thing to watch is you VVI. You much keep the rate of =
descent around 500 feet/min. Get over 1000 ft/min at touchdown and you =
will have problems. This is not easy to do in a sim with out watching =
it closely. In the real world, you set your power for aircraft weight =
and flow the AOA. That took care of your descent rate. If it got too =
high, you could FEEL it and correct
Hope this helps,
John
aka "Cheau".
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<DIV>"If it helps your pride any, landing Sims is way, way harder than=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I agree! I have over 2500 hours =
in T-37s,=20
T38s, B-52's, F-4s from my Air Force days. I also have about 250 =
hours in=20
Cessna's. Most of the time Sim flying is harder than the real=20
airplane. I think the reason are two. Sim controls are =
sloppy=20
compared to a real airplane. In the real world once the aircraft =
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trimmed up it will practally fly itself. Not so in MSFS. =
2002 is=20
much better than older versions, but have you ever tried to refuel or =
fly=20
formation in a sim? The fine control needed there is just not =
available in=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The second reason is "seat of the =
pants." You=20
can't feel the aircraft in a sim. Pilots in real aircraft use this =
all the=20
time. The pilots of a bygone era use to land Jenny's and =
Stearman's with=20
out the use of fancy instruments. They felt the aircraft and =
listened to=20
the sound of the wires. The T-38 is a hard aircraft to =
land. =20
Once you roll of the perch and start the final turn, you are on the edge =
of a=20
stall. You often fly the final turn with a slight tickle of a=20
buffet. Two little buffet and you over shoot, too much and you =
die. =20
One of the hardest things for a student pilot to do was to learn the =
feel of=20
this buffet. It was done by feel.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In regards to the sim pilot who =
couldn't land the=20
F-16. Welcome to the club :) I ripped off the landing gear =
of many a=20
F-16 in Falcon 4.0. I actually corresponded with a flying buddy =
who had=20
flow both the F4 and the F16. One thing to watch is you VVI. =
You=20
much keep the rate of descent around 500 feet/min. Get over 1000 =
ft/min at=20
touchdown and you will have problems. This is not easy to do in a =
sim with=20
out watching it closely. In the real world, you set your power for =
aircraft weight and flow the AOA. That took care of your descent=20
rate. If it got too high, you could FEEL it and =
correct</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hope this helps,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>aka "Cheau".</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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