I was looking around on the internet this morning and ran across these two interesting articles. It's probably by people on this list. hehehehe. anyway there are some interesting ideas in these articles. Using solenoids on a regular keyboard is an interesting idea. http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/howto/kevssim.htm http://www.rickleephoto.com/rlcoll.htm Jim