[simpits-tech] RE: [simpits-tech]MFD/HUD data
Gene Buckle
simpits-tech@simpits.org
Mon, 10 Jun 2002 07:07:46 -0700 (PDT)
You're not getting the point - the _computer_ isn't fast enough to
populate more than 1 outside view without huge performance penalties.
You do multiple outside views with multiple computers or you don't do it
at all. It's just not practical.
g.
On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Ido Dekkers wrote:
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> I think a nice solution would be to use a card like the Matrox Parhelia
> that can do this :
> http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q2/020514/parhelia-07.html
> ( use 3 mon's on one card ) and the only thing needed in the code is a view
> of 150 deg.
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> Ido
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> I work in a group that does software performance work for a living.
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> Please, please don’t ask G2 for multimon support for anything other than
> out the window view fields and then only if you feel you must. There are
> video cards coming that will make multimon support less taxing on the host
> computer but that doesn’t make it “free” in terms of performance impact.
> Roughly speaking, each added video card/head in the host system eats 10%
> performance overhead just to get it running under windows multimon.
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> Erwin’s idea to shoot the data across the network to a second (or series
> of) machine(s) makes a lot more sense as we can already see with the
> current F4glass implementation. That app alone eats quite a bit of CPU
> budget just to render the moving gauges. You really don’t want that CPU
> budget burden eating MIPS from the box trying to run the actual game engine
> unless you have to.
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> For my 2c’s – I think it’s much more important to get MFDs rendered on
> separate screens than it is to get wide fields of view (much as I’d like
> that too)…and while we are at it, actually I think the best way to do wider
> viewfields without nailing the host computer is to ship the extra screens
> out across the network for rendering as well. Remember Fighter Duel?? It
> did a pretty good job of this and you could use eight or nine systems to
> get a pretty much 360 degree view. Poor man’s distributed processing.
> “Last generation” cast off computers may pretty good display mules.
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> Cheers,
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> Mark.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Erwin Neyt
> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 9:22 AM
> To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> Subject: [simpits-tech] RE: [simpits-tech]MFD/HUD data
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> Multi monitor support will have a lot more impact on the code. Added bonus
> to the sh.mem. solution is that you can use networked PC's (and off-load
> the Falcon PC) to display the MFD's. Also the HUD and RWR are redundant
> pages, so they are available too.
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> Also multi monitor support is often mentioned in the context of multiple
> OTW windows, which is nice but will hurt FPS badly (see
> http://www.eagle9.nl/redir2.asp?lokatie=/main/Programming/Doxs/default.asp)
> I rather see they alter the MP code, and add an option to run a second PC
> in 'slave' mode.
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> Erwin.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris [mailto:ccrowley@mccrowley.com]
> Sent: Sunday, 09 June, 2002 14:27
> To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Servo Driven Gauges and MFD/HUD data
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> If the G2I plan is to provide multi monitor support, couldn't there be one
> view with MFD's that are rendered all the time, and others (HUD Mode)
> without? I probably don't understand what G2 means by multi montor support.
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> I am just curious (not impatient) and trying to be helpful, I am not even
> close to being able to make use of this. Thanks for your hard work Erwin
> and by the way I am very impressed with your software!!!
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> Chris Crowley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Erwin Neyt
> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 4:36 AM
> To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Servo Driven Gauges and MFD/HUD data
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> Problem is that if the MFD's are not onscreen, they will not be
> rendered at all.
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> What we want is MFD data which is rendered all the time (for example
> we we're in HUD only mode)
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> Erwin.
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> BTW. I can't say much but I am in contact with G2I concerning this
> subject. Please be patient.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris [mailto:ccrowley@mccrowley.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 08 June, 2002 12:31
> To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Servo Driven Gauges and MFD/HUD data
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> Why is this feature so complicated? The MFDs show up in the Black
> boxes that are located in the "virtual cockpits". If you have ever
> looked at the virtual cockpit graphics, all of the gauges are
> blacked out so the software can generate the flight info in the
> black areas. Somehow a function places them in a position that is
> "cut out" for them. It varies from virtual cockpit to virtual
> cockpit, or even from view to view.
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> Now if they are adding multiple monitor capability, why not have a
> view that is just the LEFT and one that is just the right MFD? This
> would be simpler than pulling the raw data out of the code.
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> This is a question, I am sure its more complicated than that.
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> Chris Crowley
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> (Building Viper Pit)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Marc
> Weigert
> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 7:35 PM
> To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
> Subject: AW: [simpits-tech] Servo Driven Gauges and MFD/HUD
> data
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> Hello Joseph,
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> thanks for your answer!
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> So it looks as if there is a vague chance that we will see
> this feature in the future!
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> Is it so complicated for them to do this, or is it just a
> matter of focusing on features that the broad simulation
> comunity will appreaciate?
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> Cheers,
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> Marc
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> To answer your question Marc, I asked him (G2I Guy) and his
> response was there is no current way to display that data. We
> (myself and others) asked that they make it available for
> output anyway and we'll figure out a way to display it. So I
> don't know if it will be output or not. This guy (Claude
> 'shadow' Cavanaugh President and CEO of G2I) and his email
> shadow@g2interactive.com seems real open to answering
> questions and has an EPIC system himself and tells me they/he
> is currently working on a mode to interface the EPIC and
> Cougar. So I hold out hope there will be MFD/HUD data.
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> Crease-guard
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