[simpits-tech] RE: [simpits-tech]MFD/HUD data
Mark Doran
simpits-tech@simpits.org
Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:56:02 -0700
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I work in a group that does software performance work for a living.
Please, please don't ask G2 for multimon support for anything other than
out the window view fields and then only if you feel you must. There
are video cards coming that will make multimon support less taxing on
the host computer but that doesn't make it "free" in terms of
performance impact. Roughly speaking, each added video card/head in the
host system eats 10% performance overhead just to get it running under
windows multimon.
Erwin's idea to shoot the data across the network to a second (or series
of) machine(s) makes a lot more sense as we can already see with the
current F4glass implementation. That app alone eats quite a bit of CPU
budget just to render the moving gauges. You really don't want that CPU
budget burden eating MIPS from the box trying to run the actual game
engine unless you have to.
For my 2c's - I think it's much more important to get MFDs rendered on
separate screens than it is to get wide fields of view (much as I'd like
that too).and while we are at it, actually I think the best way to do
wider viewfields without nailing the host computer is to ship the extra
screens out across the network for rendering as well. Remember Fighter
Duel?? It did a pretty good job of this and you could use eight or nine
systems to get a pretty much 360 degree view. Poor man's distributed
processing. "Last generation" cast off computers may pretty good
display mules.
Cheers,
Mark.
-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] On Behalf Of Erwin Neyt
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 9:22 AM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] RE: [simpits-tech]MFD/HUD data
Multi monitor support will have a lot more impact on the code. Added
bonus to the sh.mem. solution is that you can use networked PC's (and
off-load the Falcon PC) to display the MFD's. Also the HUD and RWR are
redundant pages, so they are available too.
Also multi monitor support is often mentioned in the context of multiple
OTW windows, which is nice but will hurt FPS badly (see
http://www.eagle9.nl/redir2.asp?lokatie=/main/Programming/Doxs/default.a
sp) I rather see they alter the MP code, and add an option to run a
second PC in 'slave' mode.
Erwin.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris [mailto:ccrowley@mccrowley.com]
Sent: Sunday, 09 June, 2002 14:27
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Servo Driven Gauges and MFD/HUD data
If the G2I plan is to provide multi monitor support, couldn't there be
one view with MFD's that are rendered all the time, and others (HUD
Mode) without? I probably don't understand what G2 means by multi montor
support.
I am just curious (not impatient) and trying to be helpful, I am not
even close to being able to make use of this. Thanks for your hard work
Erwin and by the way I am very impressed with your software!!!
Chris Crowley
-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Erwin Neyt
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 4:36 AM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Servo Driven Gauges and MFD/HUD data
Problem is that if the MFD's are not onscreen, they will not be rendered
at all.
What we want is MFD data which is rendered all the time (for example we
we're in HUD only mode)
Erwin.
BTW. I can't say much but I am in contact with G2I concerning this
subject. Please be patient.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris [mailto:ccrowley@mccrowley.com]
Sent: Saturday, 08 June, 2002 12:31
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Servo Driven Gauges and MFD/HUD data
Why is this feature so complicated? The MFDs show up in the Black boxes
that are located in the "virtual cockpits". If you have ever looked at
the virtual cockpit graphics, all of the gauges are blacked out so the
software can generate the flight info in the black areas. Somehow a
function places them in a position that is "cut out" for them. It varies
from virtual cockpit to virtual cockpit, or even from view to view.
Now if they are adding multiple monitor capability, why not have a view
that is just the LEFT and one that is just the right MFD? This would be
simpler than pulling the raw data out of the code.
This is a question, I am sure its more complicated than that.
Chris Crowley
(Building Viper Pit)
-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]On Behalf Of Marc Weigert
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 7:35 PM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: AW: [simpits-tech] Servo Driven Gauges and MFD/HUD data
Hello Joseph,
thanks for your answer!
So it looks as if there is a vague chance that we will see this feature
in the future!
Is it so complicated for them to do this, or is it just a matter of
focusing on features that the broad simulation comunity will
appreaciate?
Cheers,
Marc
To answer your question Marc, I asked him (G2I Guy) and his response was
there is no current way to display that data. We (myself and others)
asked that they make it available for output anyway and we'll figure out
a way to display it. So I don't know if it will be output or not. This
guy (Claude 'shadow' Cavanaugh President and CEO of G2I) and his email
shadow@g2interactive.com seems real open to answering questions and has
an EPIC system himself and tells me they/he is currently working on a
mode to interface the EPIC and Cougar. So I hold out hope there will be
MFD/HUD data.
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Lucida =
Console"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:blue'>I =
work in a
group that does software performance work for a =
living.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Lucida =
Console"><span
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Lucida =
Console"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida =
Console";color:blue'>Please, please
don’t ask G2 for <span class=3DSpellE>multimon</span> support for =
anything
other than out the window view fields and then only if you feel you =
must.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>There are video cards coming =
that will
make <span class=3DSpellE>multimon</span> support less taxing on the =
host
computer but that doesn’t make it “free” in terms of
performance impact.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> =
</span>Roughly
speaking, each added video card/head in the host system eats 10% =
performance
overhead just to get it running under windows <span =
class=3DSpellE>multimon</span>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Lucida =
Console"><span
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Console";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Lucida =
Console"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida =
Console";color:blue'>Erwin’s
idea to shoot the data across the network to a second (or series of) =
machine(s)
makes a lot more sense as we can already see with the current F4glass
implementation.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>That app =
alone eats
quite a bit of CPU budget just to render the moving gauges.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>You really don’t want =
that CPU
budget burden eating MIPS from the box trying to run the actual game =
engine unless
you have to.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Lucida =
Console"><span
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Lucida =
Console"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:blue'>For =
my 2c’s
– I think it’s much more important to get <span =
class=3DSpellE>MFDs</span>
rendered on separate screens than it is to get wide fields of view (much =
as I’d
like that too)…and while we are at it, actually I think the best =
way to
do wider <span class=3DSpellE>viewfields</span> without nailing the host =
computer
is to ship the extra screens out across the network for rendering as =
well.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Remember Fighter Duel??<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>It did a pretty good job of =
this and you
could use eight or nine systems to get a pretty much 360 degree =
view.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Poor man’s distributed
processing.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>“Last =
generation”
cast off computers may pretty good display <span =
class=3DGramE>mules.</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Lucida =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org] =
<b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Erwin Neyt<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, June 09, =
2002 9:22
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
simpits-tech@simpits.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [simpits-tech] =
RE:
[simpits-tech]MFD/HUD data</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Multi monitor support will have a =
lot more
impact on the code. Added bonus to the sh.mem. solution is that you can =
use
networked PC's (and off-load the Falcon PC) to display the MFD's. Also =
the HUD
and RWR are redundant pages, so they are available =
too.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Also multi monitor support is often
mentioned in the context of multiple OTW windows, which is nice but will =
hurt
FPS badly (see <a
href=3D"http://www.eagle9.nl/redir2.asp?lokatie=3D/main/Programming/Doxs/=
default.asp">http://www.eagle9.nl/redir2.asp?lokatie=3D/main/Programming/=
Doxs/default.asp</a>)
I rather see they alter the MP code, and add an option to run a second =
PC in
'slave' mode.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Erwin.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Chris
[mailto:ccrowley@mccrowley.com]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, 09 June, =
2002 14:27<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
simpits-tech@simpits.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: =
[simpits-tech] Servo
Driven Gauges and MFD/HUD data<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>If the G2I plan is to provide multi
monitor support, couldn't there be one view with MFD's that are rendered =
all
the time, and others (HUD Mode) without? I probably don't =
understand what
G2 means by multi montor support. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I am just curious (not impatient) =
and
trying to be helpful, I am not even close to being able to make use of =
this.
Thanks for your hard work Erwin and by the way I am very impressed with =
your
software!!!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Chris =
Crowley</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org =
[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]<b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Erwin Neyt<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, June 09, =
2002 4:36
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
simpits-tech@simpits.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: =
[simpits-tech] Servo
Driven Gauges and MFD/HUD data</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Problem is that if the MFD's are =
not
onscreen, they will not be rendered at all.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>What we want is MFD data which is =
rendered
all the time (for example we we're in HUD only =
mode)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Erwin.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>BTW. I can't say much but I am in =
contact
with G2I concerning this subject. Please be =
patient.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue =
1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt;
margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Chris
[mailto:ccrowley@mccrowley.com]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, 08 June, =
2002
12:31<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
simpits-tech@simpits.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: =
[simpits-tech] Servo
Driven Gauges and MFD/HUD data<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Why is this feature so complicated? =
The
MFDs show up in the Black boxes that are located in the "virtual
cockpits". If you have ever looked at the virtual cockpit graphics, =
all of
the gauges are blacked out so the software can generate the flight info =
in the
black areas. Somehow a function places them in a position that is =
"cut
out" for them. It varies from virtual cockpit to virtual cockpit, =
or even
from view to view.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Now if they are adding multiple =
monitor
capability, why not have a view that is just the LEFT and one that is =
just the
right MFD? This would be simpler than pulling the raw data out of the =
code.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>This is a question, I am sure its =
more
complicated than that. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Chris =
Crowley</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>(Building Viper =
Pit)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org =
[mailto:simpits-tech-admin@simpits.org]<b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Marc Weigert<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 07, =
2002 7:35
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
simpits-tech@simpits.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> AW: =
[simpits-tech] Servo
Driven Gauges and MFD/HUD data</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Hello =
Joseph,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>thanks for your =
answer!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>So it looks as if there is a vague =
chance
that we will see this feature in the future! =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Is it so complicated for them to do =
this,
or is it just a matter of focusing on features that the broad simulation
comunity will appreaciate?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Cheers,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Marc</span></font><font size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>To answer your question Marc, I asked him =
(G2I Guy)
and his response was there is no current way to display that data. =
We
(myself and others) asked that they make it available for output anyway =
and
we'll figure out a way to display it. So I don't know if it will =
be
output or not. This guy (Claude 'shadow' Cavanaugh President and =
CEO of
G2I) and his email <a =
href=3D"mailto:shadow@g2interactive.com">shadow@g2interactive.com</a>
seems real open to answering questions and has an EPIC system himself =
and tells
me they/he is currently working on a mode to interface the EPIC and
Cougar. So I hold out hope there will be MFD/HUD =
data.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Crease-guard</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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