[simpits-tech] Motion systems for sims

Erwin Neyt simpits-tech@simpits.org
Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:05:23 +0200


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One more note:
 
If you're going to put motion to your sim AND the motion does not follow the
visual cues within 20 ms AND the motion is not 'good' enough to fool your
brain: you're going to be sick!!
 
please note that 'stick following' motion is not 'good' enough. It's fun for
a while but not after you get sick.
 
Erwin.
 
some links:
 
http://www.cadsoft.de/~kls/fltsim/ <http://www.cadsoft.de/~kls/fltsim/>   (a
cool personal project)
http://www.servos.com/domframe.htm <http://www.servos.com/domframe.htm>
(IMHO the best solution I have seen so far: electric actuators, with cool
demo videos)
http://www.motionbase.com/motion.html
<http://www.motionbase.com/motion.html>  (take a look at the pdf comparing
electrical vs. hydraulic systems, good info)
http://www.parallemic.org/WhosWho/CompSims.html
<http://www.parallemic.org/WhosWho/CompSims.html>  (links to all kinds of
motion sim manufacterers)

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Jones [mailto:bjones@pipecomp.com.au] 
Sent: woensdag 10 april 2002 14:27
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: RE: [simpits-tech] Motion systems for sims


True ..
 
My aim for this pit is not to replicate a Full military type training
simulator , for 1 i dont have the resources  and brains to strech my self
that far .
 
I had a great chance to fly a modem military simulator on the base ,  it was
great , had a ball  the visual ques were brilliant sounds excellent , infact
the ride was so good that about 5 mins into my aerobatic routine i started
to feel ill ( IN a SIM )
 
What i want to do is create a simulator where i can plonk a Airforce cadet
in the cockpit  fire up the sim and let them fly around as experience ,
unfortuntly giving them lots of real air time is very expensive at the
moment,  the sim doesnt have to be exactly smooth on the visual ques  react
exactly as per a real aircraft , this will basically ben used as a
proceedual trainer , in instrument flying and radia nav aid work .
 
I know that if i hopped into a sim as a pilot i would feel the difference
after a period of time but the people  with no pilot/ flying experience  or
even advanced theory, will i believe enjoy them selfs and enjoy there
learing experience , thats why i am not to fussed with getting a "
gramatical " correct simulator straight away , in time it will be developed
.
 
this is  IMHO  i could be wrong  or barking up the wrong tree
 
i will try and dig up some didital pics of the LINK trainer and up load them
to the simpits server if any one is interested ,  for a machine built pre
war its pretty complex
 
thanks  all
 
regards 
 
BEN 
   

-----Original Message-----
From: netnurd [mailto:netnurd@msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 11:20 AM
To: simpits-tech@simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] Motion systems for sims


I once considered a joystick driven sim-Without getting technical the
problem is when you are flying a lame aircraft,
or suffering battle damage. A joystick only motion control reflects a
perfect world.
 Chuck

 


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<DIV><SPAN class=658264612-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>One 
more note:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=658264612-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=658264612-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>If 
you're going to put motion to your sim AND the motion does not follow the visual 
cues within 20 ms AND the motion is&nbsp;not 'good' enough to fool your brain: 
you're going to be sick!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=658264612-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=658264612-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>please 
note that 'stick following' motion is not 'good' enough. It's fun for a while 
but not after you get sick.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=658264612-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=658264612-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Erwin.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=658264612-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=658264612-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>some 
links:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=658264612-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=658264612-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A 
href="http://www.cadsoft.de/~kls/fltsim/">http://www.cadsoft.de/~kls/fltsim/</A>&nbsp; 
(a cool personal project)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=658264612-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A 
href="http://www.servos.com/domframe.htm">http://www.servos.com/domframe.htm</A>&nbsp;(IMHO 
the best solution I have seen so far: electric actuators, with cool demo 
videos)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=658264612-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A 
href="http://www.motionbase.com/motion.html">http://www.motionbase.com/motion.html</A>&nbsp;(take 
a look at the pdf comparing electrical vs. hydraulic systems, good 
info)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=658264612-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A 
href="http://www.parallemic.org/WhosWho/CompSims.html">http://www.parallemic.org/WhosWho/CompSims.html</A>&nbsp;(links 
to all kinds of motion sim manufacterers)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT 
  face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Jones 
  [mailto:bjones@pipecomp.com.au] <BR><B>Sent:</B> woensdag 10 april 2002 
  14:27<BR><B>To:</B> simpits-tech@simpits.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: 
  [simpits-tech] Motion systems for sims<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=030291712-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>True 
  ..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=030291712-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=030291712-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>My 
  aim for this pit is not to replicate a Full military type training simulator , 
  for 1 i dont have the resources&nbsp; and brains to strech my self that far 
  .</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=030291712-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=030291712-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I 
  had a great chance to fly a modem military simulator on the base ,&nbsp; it 
  was great , had a ball&nbsp; the visual ques were brilliant sounds excellent , 
  infact the ride was so good that about 5 mins into my aerobatic routine i 
  started to feel ill ( IN a SIM )</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=030291712-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=030291712-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>What 
  i want to do is create a simulator where i can plonk a Airforce cadet&nbsp; in 
  the cockpit&nbsp; fire up the sim and let them fly around as experience , 
  unfortuntly giving them lots of real air time is very expensive at the 
  moment,&nbsp; the sim doesnt have to be exactly smooth on the visual 
  ques&nbsp; react exactly as per a real aircraft , this will basically ben used 
  as a proceedual trainer , in instrument flying and radia nav aid work 
  .</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=030291712-10042002></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=030291712-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I 
  know that if i hopped into a sim as a pilot i would feel the difference after 
  a period of time but the people&nbsp; with no pilot/ flying experience&nbsp; 
  or even advanced theory, will i believe enjoy them selfs&nbsp;and enjoy there 
  learing experience , thats why i am not to fussed with getting a " gramatical 
  " correct simulator&nbsp;straight away , in time it will be developed 
  .</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=030291712-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=030291712-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>this 
  is&nbsp; IMHO&nbsp; i could be wrong&nbsp; or barking up the wrong 
  tree</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=030291712-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=030291712-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>i 
  will try and dig up some didital pics of the LINK trainer and up load them to 
  the&nbsp;simpits server if any one is interested ,&nbsp; for a machine built 
  pre war its pretty complex</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=030291712-10042002></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=030291712-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2>thanks&nbsp; all</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=030291712-10042002></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=030291712-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2>regards&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=030291712-10042002></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=030291712-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2>BEN</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=030291712-10042002>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=030291712-10042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
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    <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
    size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> netnurd 
    [mailto:netnurd@msn.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 10 April 2002 11:20 
    AM<BR><B>To:</B> simpits-tech@simpits.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [simpits-tech] 
    Motion systems for sims<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I once considered a joystick driven sim-Without 
    getting technical the problem is when you are flying a lame 
    aircraft,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>or suffering battle damage. A joystick only 
    motion control reflects a perfect world.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>&nbsp;Chuck<BR><SPAN 
    class=030291712-10042002><FONT 
    color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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