[simpits-chat] Dr. Fun III

[John P. Miguez]

Rob, You forgot that my church, Roman Catholic, invented the holy war.  We
called them crusades.
:)

I must object to be lumped in with sheep, cow and simpletons.  LOL  I may be
a fool, but not a cow or simpleton.

My faith is a direct result of much studying, praying and questioning.
Faith is a very dynamic thing, some days it is strong, some days weak.  It
is also tends to be a private thing. A relationship (friendship) between you
and God.  Like may things, the man or woman who is always trying to tell you
about their faith, is one who doesn't have much faith.  Their talking is a
way to convince themselves that they have faith.

In reference to Ben Jones' reply: a review of history will show that most
(if not all) of the great social movements that have made our world better
have had a faith based genesis.  Look at marriage, (which use to keep
families together so the children would have a chance of being happy) human
rights, slavery, women's and children's rights.  All of these started
because people of faith believed that things were wrong.

The Christian church laid the foundation for modern democracy and the
western world.  Although, some people in America try to think otherwise and
rewrite history, the great concepts that made up our constitution were based
on Judeo-Christian beliefs.  The founding fathers, for the most part, were
all men of faith.  Even the religion we all love to hate, Islam, saved the
world from the dark ages by keeping science, math, art and learning alive
when Europe descended back into prehistory.  What works of learning that did
survive, were because of the Christian monks.

I do not wish to argue with any of you.  You are entitled to your own belief
or lack of beliefs.  Most of you are rather young.  It is my contention (
from a 55 yr old position) that very few people feel a need for God until
they are 30 or so.  I do ask that you do not fall into the same trap that
the religious zealots or any zealot; that is, writing off everyone who
doesn't believe the way you believe.

I say again, the most dangerous person in the world is a zealot.  He can do
great good, as did the early Christian fathers, or great harm, as did the
Islam zealots.  But, you will never stop him with reason.

Best to all of you,

John



----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Hommel" <rhommel@tacoma.net>
To: <simpits-chat@simpits.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Dr. Fun III


> Matt:
>
> If you really want to know about what I believe contact me off list. I
don't
> wish to injure small animals or have children available as I knock down
> sacred cows. The list could only take so much bovine excrement and the
sheep
> herders on the list would get offended easily. I for one don't care if you
> are Jewish, Moslem, Christian, Wiccan or you just believe that by smearing
> blue goo on your body on Saturday nights you will find your god. Good for
> you, I would prefer to do something that at least seems like I am
bettering
> myself than attending a group of other like minded simpletons. Too lazy to
> face the reality that 'god" like Santa Claus, Superman and the Easter
Bunny
> does not exist.
>
> The Jews are the pinnacle of antisocial behaviorist. We will not associate
> with those who do not believe the same as we do. The European Christians
are
> the ones who made war crimes a tradition. The Moslems found proselytizing
> less efficient than killing and enslaving their enemies. Mormons will post
> people at your door just to wear you down. Hindus believe in so many
things
> that it confuses me to ponder it all. Buddhists are not really practicing
a
> religion so much a philosophy. Shinto Buddhists worship their dead
> ancestors. Zen Buddhists ponder things that annoy people. Wiccans are
great
> if you like chasing fat woman.
>
> if I missed a sacred cow push it over for me will ya.
>
> By the way here are the rules to be followed in any argument if you can
not
> follow them don't bother me.
> http://www.skeptics.com.au/journal/baloney.htm
> Hell, I can't follow them, don't bother me. These are very good guidelines
> for arguments, they don't work on wives/husbands and children so don't
> bother trying them there.
>
> Keep 'em Flying
> Rob Hommel
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Bailey" <mattb@rtccom.net>
> To: <simpits-chat@simpits.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [simpits-chat] Dr. Fun III
>
>
> > On Saturday 08 March 2003 03:37, you wrote:
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > Dr Laura is Jewish  does she still have to obey all of those nasty
> Jewish
> > > laws. yuchhh...
> >
> > No.
> >
> > > BTW I am an atheist do I have to pay any attention to any of this? I
> still
> > > find humor in religion however, go on make me laugh.
> > > Keep 'em Flying
> >
> > I never said you had to pay attention to any of this. :) I am curious as
> to
> > why you embrace atheism. Isn't it based on just the _lack_ of belief (in
> God)?
> >
> > -Matt Bailey
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