[GEM Development] GEM/4
Thomas Clayton
topcatdrc at yahoo.com
Sat Jun 17 12:30:59 PDT 2006
Dear Warwick (and Shane):
I've looked back thru some of my e-mail and have NOt found THE
original letter starting this thread. How long ago did it start?
What was the letter BEFORE this one?
(Sorry, but I felt obliged to leave the ENTIRE original - except
for the ending [Gem Development] phrases - intact.)
Sincerely, Thomas Clayton
--- Warwick Barnes <warwick.barnes at zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> The message <44636E03.6060303 at shaneland.co.uk>
> from "Shane M. Coughlan" <shane at shaneland.co.uk> contains these
> words:
>
> > rob at midworld.co.uk wrote:
> > > Does anyone know the legal status of the GEM/4 VDI and AES as
> bundled with
> > > Artline 2? I had a look through the executables and can only
> see DRI
> > > copyrights, but I'm not sure what this means in terms of
> licensing.
>
> > Good question. I recently tried to speak with Artline, but
> they said
> > they (a) don't release anything for GEM and (b) they don't
> support
> > anything they did release.
>
> > Shane
>
> I have given below the emails I got from them at the time they
> released
> Artline and set up a site to distribute it for free. Has the site
> been
> taken down?
> I never managed to get the talked about source disks from them,
> but he
> might have given something to Tim, although how you check on this
> I
> don't know.
>
> Probably going to pull the plug on GEM, might put the software
> packs I
> have on ebay if I can sort out an Ebay sellers pack.
> Unfortunately 2
> blackouts/collapses have revealed dodgy lower back = do not spend
> too
> much time sitting in front of the computer; dodgy heart, two
> upper
> chambers not in sync with bottom, leaky valve, tendency to be
> irregular
> goes from too fast down to stop so far with only 2 second breaks
> = no
> energy; a stroke = much time spent "Dancing with the faries".
> Currently
> on 18 pills a day with definite prognosis of getting better; Oh!
> and the
> beancounters took my driving license away, I live in the country
> about 4
> miles from nearest bus and so far have managed a walk of 400 yds.
>
>
>
> hello Thomas
> Tims email address used to be on his site but I think he has been
> altering it recently to free up space. anyway here it is:-
>
> timolmst at altinet.net
>
> I really like the site
> I think you've just given the whole GEM thing a huge boost.
>
> I sure He will accomodate whatever you want within reason, His
> main
> desire is to help people with an interest in this legacy
> software.
> Anyway as I have to email him I will pass on your comments.
>
> I dont suppose you have a copy of the lattice C compiler version
> 2.14 or 2.?
> I have got the manual but the disks in working order are proving
> elusive.
> There are considerable differences from 3 which are hard to
> figure out.
>
> All the best chris
> Did you get the GNU license attachment
> as somebody else has just asked why I sent it to them so I
> suspect it's
> got glued to the wrong email.
>
> --
> If you received this through the miracle of modern technology
> then all
> is well; if not then situation normal.
> Chris father of :-)
> The message <01BEB9B9.08DC82B0.T.Krautter at ccp.de>
> from Thomas Krautter <T.Krautter at ccp.de> contains these words:
>
>
> Outline-Font Design software, we used
> > to create the Artline *.AFF and *.AF2 fonts? Have you ever
> heard of the GEM
> > Help Scripting engine, that emulated Apple's HyperCard for GEM.
> The only
> > reason it never had been published were memory restrictions on
> good old
> > DOS. There also must exist a huge number of high quality
> Illustration files
>
> Drool drool drool
>
> > I also digged around int the links you sent me (thanks :-) ),
> and I think,
> > it's real interesting playground waking up good old memories.
>
> Glad you had some fun :-)
>
> One thing Imeant to ask but probably forgot
> GEM GRAPH has MAP (as in geography) and sym files, was there a
> tool for
> creating these?
> or any format information? The 'map' editor which comes with
> these only
> makes alterations.
> I tried gemdraw so far without success .
> also did gem graph ever come out in a later version which
> included
> scatter graphs?
> will gem paint ever produce a full screen colour picture?
> sorrey just a few bits that really need tidying up :-)
>
> I really like the site and am waiting with baited breath for the
> next
> installment
>
> any luck over Lattice 2.14 2.2?
>
> best wishes
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> The message <01BEBDB6.D6183200.T.Krautter at ccp.de>
> from Thomas Krautter <T.Krautter at ccp.de> contains these words:
>
>
>
> > Hi Chris,
>
> > ever heard of Presentation Team 2? It has been released very
> short, =
> > before=20
> > Novell came in. I did not see any files of this product
> anywhere. I'll =
>
> Hello Thomas
>
> I.ve got a copy somewhere, I remembered it as chart, graph and
> draw
> collected together, but
> now you have jogged my memory I seem to remember other bits and
> pieces
> as well.
>
> The trouble is I forget where the stuff on my machine originated
> from,
> Package wise,
> I keep threatening Tim that I will wrap it all up in a big ZIP
> package
> and let everbody have it.
> The problem is I will have to take out the stuff that is still
> copyright
> to others, If they
> were all as nice as you then the whole lot could be uploaded to
> the net
> for everybody to use.
>
> Bye the way GST Cambridge are still releasing truetype fonts
> which I
> think are usable by gem.
> Trouble is the Bitstream and Typographica font utilities are not
> (c) DRI
> but to their respective owners.
>
> I finally got round to trying out GEM with FreeDOS and it seems
> to work
> ok, it's going to need some fiddling about but it should be
> allright.
>
> Keep up the good work
> any news on the sources or compilers
>
> Chris
>
>
> --
> If you received this through the miracle of modern technology
> then all
> is well; if not then situation normal.
> Chris father of :-)
> Hi thomas
> do you happen to recall if DRI supplied a proper service pack to
> manufacturers of device drivers eg video drivers, printer drivers
> etc ?
> and if yes, the where abouts of same.
> we now have the original tools from DR and are still not getting
> a
> perfect recompile of screen drivers.
> have sorted a few small problems with the source code but still
> not
> perfect so am wondering what is wrong.
> How is your rooting around in the cellar going,
> best wishes
> Chris
> The message <01BECBE0.AD1FFC60.T.Krautter at ccp.de>
> from Thomas Krautter <T.Krautter at ccp.de> contains these words:
>
> Hi Thomas
> sorrey not got back to you sooner, seems to have been a slightly
> chaotic
> time just recently.
> Sources would be very very good indeed, I have finally managed to
> tweak
> the ver2.2 stuff in Tims archive until it compiles to a semi
> working
> driver but not every APP works, its really quite flakey, but I
> did
> notice that there appears to be a hook in there that can be used
> to add
> additional modes, the ones in question were strange mode 10 large
> screen
> versions labled as VEGA (No not VESA) but maybe we could hang
> something
> else off there. But any later driver source stuff is going to be
> usefull, in particular the screen drivers, also there is no
> source
> available at the moment for the metafile drivers, and although we
> have
> some printer driver stuff, Dylan had quite a few but the disks
> were
> damaged, if there is any more it would be usefull to add them.
> On a different front do you have source for version 1 desktop, or
> can
> you remmember what was pulled out after the Apple lawsuit, Ken is
> trying
> hard to reglue the icons , and trashcan, back onto the desktop
> without
> much success, although I like his moveable resizeable windows..
>
> best wishes
> Chris
>
>
> > there naver has been a service pack, as I remember. But I'm
> just through =
>
> > nearly 120 5 1/4 inch disks, also holding the latest sources of
> drivers =
> > we=20
> > did for Gem 4. I'll put it into our web site as soon as I find
> the time =
> > for=20
> > it (maybe next weekend).
>
>
>
> --
> If you received this through the miracle of modern technology
> then all
> is well; if not then situation normal.
> Chris father of :-)
> Hi Thomas
> A product for which I have a licensed copy is :-
> DATA MANAGER PROFFESIONAL version 1.1 UK.
> This is a relational database for GEM released in the UK through
> GST
> cambridge.
> Apparently GST Licensed it from a GERMAN company and it has in
> fact a
> copyright notice in the application to :
> TALENT COMPUTER SYSTEMS 1998
> as yet I have had no luck tracing this operation on the internet
> and
> wondered if you knew anything of them.
>
> If we could get their permission to distribute this, it would be
> nice to
> get this together with the word processor and publisher,
> especially now
> that a spreadsheet MIPSCALC has surfaced, and create the basis of
> an
> office style package for GEM.
>
> Also I came across an Atari st originated GEM OS -MagiC- which
> also
> appears to be from Germany
> and something called Pure C which appears on the fringes of the
> GEM
> Atari world.
>
> Thanks for your help
> Any progress on all that stuff in your basement
> best wishes
> Chris
>
> --
> If you received this through the miracle of modern technology
> then all
> is well; if not then situation normal.
> Chris father of :-)
> Hello Thomas
> I found the site for MagiC, which seems to be a super GEM for the
> Atari
> ST with ports to the PC and MAC, anyway check it out at:-
>
> Wir sind umgezogen...
>
> Unsere neu gestaltete Site finden Sie unter:
>
> http://www.application-systems.de
>
> All the best
> Usual nag re stuff in basement please
>
> Chris
>
> --
> If you received this through the miracle of modern technology
> then all
> is well; if not then situation normal.
> Chris father of :-)
> The message <01BEBDB6.D6183200.T.Krautter at ccp.de>
> from Thomas Krautter <T.Krautter at ccp.de> contains these words:
>
>
>
> > Hi Chris,
>
> > ever heard of Presentation Team 2? It has been released very
> short, =
> > before=20
> > Novell came in. I did not see any files of this product
> anywhere. I'll =
> > post=20
> > it next weekend to artline.de.
>
> > greetings, Thomas
>
> Hello Thomas
> I have today wrapped up presentation team ver 3.1 (ver no refers
> to gem
> version it seems) except for the bitstream font kit which is
> copyright
> to them. if you want to get hold of it along with some pack
> shots then
> it will be on my site later tonight,
>
> www.users.zetnet.co.uk/barnes_firsnorton/prestm31.zip
>
> I dont at the moment have any intentions of making a public
> splash of
> the site its just for development purposes and as a means of
> communicating with others.
>
> Hows it all going in your basement?
>
> Best wishes
> Chris
>
>
> Hi Thomas
> How are you getting on with sorting out the old GEM stuff, I seem
> to
> have come to the end of the external things occupying me and have
> managed to get the screendrivers from GEM2 to compile into quite
> a
> robust driver.
>
> I am researching "!" how to take it on from there. add in bezer,
> upgrade
> the code to a more modern compiler, accomodate higher resolutions
> and
> more colours, thats next years creative thinking taken care of.
> :-)
>
> Anyway I wondered if I could help in any way with sorting out the
> ,120
> was it, disks you had found. I have available both a 51/4
> 1.2mb/720/360
> and a 360k only floppy drive as well as 1.44mb and could transfer
> the
> whole lot to cdrom if that would help.
> I got what was left off some disks for Dylan that he could not
> read at
> all, and did some copyright tagging for some of Gene Buckles'
> Caldera
> source code. So I could do the same for your stuff and try to
> sort it
> out a bit, seperate the copyright sensitive stuff and so on. Any
> way
> think about it I don't suppose a carrier would charge too much to
> ship
> the stuff across.
>
> If I can help then I will let you have my address if you have
> lost it.
>
> best wishes
>
> Chris
> HI Thomas
> Did you ever find the source code to the later drivers ver 3 or 4
> you
> thought you might have. I finally figured out how to get the
> version 2
> ones from the Caldera source code to clean compile and feel its
> time to
> get some of the more advanced features added.
> You can find a copy of my compile directory on my site should you
> be
> interested.
> seasons greetings and best wishes for new year
> Chris
>
> --
> If you received this through the miracle of modern technology
> then all
> is well; if not then situation normal.
> Chris father of :-)
> www.users.zetnet.co.uk/barnes_firsnorton
> The message <01BF5B49.9A2CC9F0.T.Krautter at ccp.de>
> from Thomas Krautter <T.Krautter at ccp.de> contains these words:
>
>
>
>
>
> > just returned from skiing. I'll make the sources available
> until next =
> > weekend. How is anything else going?
>
> Hello Thomas
>
> Hope you had good snow .
> That's great news about the sources - are you posting them on
> the
> Artline site?
> We are getting more help on the screen drivers and now a compiled
> Vesa
> 800x600x16 is up and working for most apps (not basic2 but basic2
> plus
> works)
> Also a fledgling web browser from Heinz Rath check out
> http://www.angelfire.com/de2/heinzr/index.html
> or
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Screen/4835
> or
> http://www.geocities.com/heinz_rath/
>
> On checking your Artline site I notice you need to update the
> link to
> Tim's Gemworld site the one in Finland (devili.iki.fi) went down
> and he
> is now at
>
> http://cpm.interfun.net/
>
> Looking forward to the source code
>
> Best wishes
> Chris
>
> --
> If you received this through the miracle of modern technology
> then all
> is well; if not then situation normal.
> Chris father of :-)
> www.users.zetnet.co.uk/barnes_firsnorton
> The message <01BF5B49.9A2CC9F0.T.Krautter at ccp.de>
> from Thomas Krautter <T.Krautter at ccp.de> contains these words:
>
>
>
> > Hi Chris,
>
> > just returned from skiing. I'll make the sources available
> until next =
> > weekend. How is anything else going?
>
> > Best wishes for the new year,
>
> > Thomas
>
> Hi Thomas
> Any luck with this yet
> regards
> Chris
>
> --
> If you received this through the miracle of modern technology
> then all
> is well; if not then situation normal.
> Chris father of :-)
> www.users.zetnet.co.uk/barnes_firsnorton
>
> Hi Thomas
> I never did recieve or find a posting of these, is it possible
> you could
> zip attach them to an email,
>
> Thanks
> Chris
>
>
>
> The message <01BF5B49.9A2CC9F0.T.Krautter at ccp.de>
> from Thomas Krautter <T.Krautter at ccp.de> contains these words:
>
>
>
> > Hi Chris,
>
> > just returned from skiing. I'll make the sources available
> until next =
> > weekend. How is anything else going?
>
>
> > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: Warwick Barnes [SMTP:warwick.barnes at zetnet.co.uk]
> > > Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 29. Dezember 1999 00:25
> > > An: T.Krautter at ccp.de
> > > Betreff: Gem screen drivers
> > >=20
> > > HI Thomas
> > > Did you ever find the source code to the later drivers ver 3
> or 4 you=20
> > > thought you might have. I finally figured out how to get the
> version=20
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Thomas
> I never did recieve or find a posting of these, is it possible
> you could
> zip attach them to an email,
>
> Thanks
> Chris
>
>
>
> The message <01BF5B49.9A2CC9F0.T.Krautter at ccp.de>
> from Thomas Krautter <T.Krautter at ccp.de> contains these words:
>
>
>
> > Hi Chris,
>
> > just returned from skiing. I'll make the sources available
> until next =
> > weekend. How is anything else going?
>
>
> > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: Warwick Barnes [SMTP:warwick.barnes at zetnet.co.uk]
> > > Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 29. Dezember 1999 00:25
> > > An: T.Krautter at ccp.de
> > > Betreff: Gem screen drivers
> > >=20
> > > HI Thomas
> > > Did you ever find the source code to the later drivers ver 3
> or 4 you=20
> > > thought you might have. I finally figured out how to get the
> version=20
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you received this through the miracle of modern technology
> then all
> is well; if not then situation normal.
> Chris father of :-) ( also at chrisjbarnes at openlink.org )
> www.users.zetnet.co.uk/barnes_firsnorton
> Dear Mr. Barnes,
>
> sorry for the delayed response to your mail, our server had been
> down for
> several days.
>
> In general, I like the idea of releasing Artline 1 and/or 2 to
> the public
> domain, given, some general things are discussed. I had no idea,
> that
> anybody had aquired the rights to the GEM software nor that it
> had been
> released into public domin.
>
> May be, you could give me a call under (49) 711 - 820 342-13
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Thomas Krautter
>
> CCP Development GmbH
> D-70435 Stuttgart
> Germany
>
> Phone: (711) 820 342 - 10
> Fax: (711) 820 342 - 19
>
>
> Hello Chris,
>
> good news: http://www.artline.de is online and offers german and
> english
> pages, offering both Artline versions in both languages. I guess,
> we'll add
> more to this site in the near future, such as a links-page as
> well as some
> "historic" backgrounds on GEM development, some pieces of code,
> that even
> did not exist at DRI, as well as some other PD-applications for
> GEM. Did
> you know, that there was a complete Outline-Font Design software,
> we used
> to create the Artline *.AFF and *.AF2 fonts? Have you ever heard
> of the GEM
> Help Scripting engine, that emulated Apple's HyperCard for GEM.
> The only
> reason it never had been published were memory restrictions on
> good old
> DOS. There also must exist a huge number of high quality
> Illustration files
> from a drawing contest we run in Germany at CeBit 1991.We'll see,
> what our
> archive will bring up ...
>
> I also digged around int the links you sent me (thanks :-) ), and
> I think,
> it's real interesting playground waking up good old memories.
>
>
> Do you have an eMail Adress of Tm Olmstead? I would like to
> contact him and
> make him change the link in his webpage from www.ccp.de to
> www.artline.de.
> In addition, I would appreciate some corrections to his comments
> on
> Artline, because the application all the time has been our own
> copyright,
> all code was written at CCP, the trademark has been Digital
> Research's (now
> it's ours) and the Artline 2 Operating System has been GEM/4.
> Artline 1
> needs GEM 3.1, while all changes to GEM/4 have been made in
> cooperation
> with Lee Lorenzen and Don Heiskell to keep comptibility with
> ventura
> publisher. Bill Herndon is currently checking his archive to see,
> if he may
> contribute GEM/4 VDI and driver sources.
>
> I would appreciate Tim's Mail Adress, if you can manage this.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> ever heard of Presentation Team 2? It has been released very
> short, before
> Novell came in. I did not see any files of this product anywhere.
> I'll post
> it next weekend to artline.de.
>
> greetings, Thomas
>
> -----Urspr³ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Warwick Barnes [SMTP:warwick.barnes at zetnet.co.uk]
> Gesendet am: Dienstag, 22. Juni 1999 20:51
> An: T.Krautter at ccp.de
> Betreff: Re: AW: GEM etc
>
> The message <01BEB9B9.08DC82B0.T.Krautter at ccp.de>
> from Thomas Krautter <T.Krautter at ccp.de> contains these words:
>
> Outline-Font Design software, we used
> > to create the Artline *.AFF and *.AF2 fonts? Have you ever
> heard of the
> GEM
> > Help Scripting engine, that emulated Apple's HyperCard for GEM.
> The only
> > reason it never had been published were memory restrictions on
> good old
> > DOS. There also must exist a huge number of high quality
> Illustration
> files
>
> Drool drool drool
>
> > I also digged around int the links you sent me (thanks :-) ),
> and I
> think,
> > it's real interesting playground waking up good old memories.
>
> Glad you had some fun :-)
>
> One thing Imeant to ask but probably forgot
> GEM GRAPH has MAP (as in geography) and sym files, was there a
> tool
> for creating these?
> or any format information? The 'map' editor which comes with
> these
> only makes alterations.
> I tried gemdraw so far without success .
> also did gem graph ever come out in a later version which
> included
> scatter graphs?
> will gem paint ever produce a full screen colour picture?
> sorrey just a few bits that really need tidying up :-)
>
> I really like the site and am waiting with baited breath for the
> next
> installment
>
> any luck over Lattice 2.14 2.2?
>
> best wishes
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Chirs,
> there naver has been a service pack, as I remember. But I'm just
> through
> nearly 120 5 1/4 inch disks, also holding the latest sources of
> drivers we
> did for Gem 4. I'll put it into our web site as soon as I find
> the time for
> it (maybe next weekend).
>
> best wishes,
>
> Thomas
>
> -----Urspr³ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Warwick Barnes [SMTP:warwick.barnes at zetnet.co.uk]
> Gesendet am: Sonntag, 11. Juli 1999 13:05
> An: T.Krautter at ccp.de
> Betreff: re GEM drivers
>
> Hi thomas
> do you happen to recall if DRI supplied a proper service pack to
> manufacturers of device drivers eg video drivers, printer drivers
> etc
> ? and if yes, the where abouts of same.
> we now have the original tools from DR and are still not getting
> a
> perfect recompile of screen drivers.
> have sorted a few small problems with the source code but still
> not
> perfect so am wondering what is wrong.
> How is your rooting around in the cellar going,
> best wishes
> Chris
>
>
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> sorry, I never heard of these products. However, if I get some
> information, I'll pass it through to you.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Thomas
>
> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Warwick Barnes [SMTP:warwick.barnes at zetnet.co.uk]
> > Gesendet am: Freitag, 20. August 1999 03:03
> > An: T.Krautter at ccp.de
> > Betreff: GEM software
> >
> > Hi Thomas
> > A product for which I have a licensed copy is :-
> > DATA MANAGER PROFFESIONAL version 1.1 UK.
> > This is a relational database for GEM released in the UK
> through GST
> > cambridge.
> > Apparently GST Licensed it from a GERMAN company and it has in
> fact a
> > copyright notice in the application to :
> > TALENT COMPUTER SYSTEMS 1998
> > as yet I have had no luck tracing this operation on the
> internet and
> > wondered if you knew anything of them.
> >
> > If we could get their permission to distribute this, it would
> be nice
> > to get this together with the word processor and publisher,
> > especially now that a spreadsheet MIPSCALC has surfaced, and
> create
> > the basis of an office style package for GEM.
> >
> > Also I came across an Atari st originated GEM OS -MagiC- which
> also
> > appears to be from Germany
> > and something called Pure C which appears on the fringes of the
> GEM
> > Atari world.
> >
> > Thanks for your help
> > Any progress on all that stuff in your basement
> > best wishes
> > Chris
> >
> > --
> > If you received this through the miracle of modern technology
> then
> > all is well; if not then situation normal.
> > Chris father of :-)
> >
> >
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> just returned from skiing. I'll make the sources available until
> next
> weekend. How is anything else going?
>
> Best wishes for the new year,
>
> Thomas
>
> > -----Urspr³ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Warwick Barnes [SMTP:warwick.barnes at zetnet.co.uk]
> > Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 29. Dezember 1999 00:25
> > An: T.Krautter at ccp.de
> > Betreff: Gem screen drivers
> >
> > HI Thomas
> > Did you ever find the source code to the later drivers ver 3 or
> 4 you
> > thought you might have. I finally figured out how to get the
> version
> > 2 ones from the Caldera source code to clean compile and feel
> its
> > time to get some of the more advanced features added.
> > You can find a copy of my compile directory on my site should
> you be
> > interested.
> > seasons greetings and best wishes for new year
> > Chris
> >
> > --
> > If you received this through the miracle of modern technology
> then
> > all is well; if not then situation normal.
> > Chris father of :-)
> > www.users.zetnet.co.uk/barnes_firsnorton
> >
> >
>
> ------
> Ich bin bis Montag, den 24. Januar au¯er Haus und bitte um
> Verstõndnis,
> wenn ich Ihre Mail nicht umgehend beantworten kann.
> ------
> I'll be out of office until Monday, January 24th and apologize
> any
> delayed response.
> ------
>
> Thomas Krautter
> _______________________________________________
>
> ------
> Ich bin bis Montag, den 30.Januar au¯er Haus und bitte um
> Verstõndnis,
> wenn ich Ihre Mail nicht umgehend beantworten kann.
> ------
> I'll be out of office until Monday, January 30th and apologize
> any
> delayed response.
> ------
>
> Mit freundlichen Gr³¯en / Best Regards
>
> Thomas Krautter
> Vorstand (CTO)
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> CCP Systems AG
> Stammheimer Stra¯e 35
> 70435 Stuttgart / Germany
>
> Phone +49-711-82034210
> Fax +49-711-82034219
> Website http://www.ccp.de
> _______________________________________________
>
> --
> If you received this through the miracle of modern technology
> then all
> is well; if not then situation normal.
> Chris father of :-) ( also at chrisjbarnes at openlink.org )
> www.users.zetnet.co.uk/barnes_firsnorton
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