[GEM Development] GEM Networking (was RE: GEMWeb with ADSL or Cable)

Thu Jul 22 19:26:31 PDT 2004

Thanks, Armand!

Armand Colleye wrote:

> Peter Green wrote:
>
>> Picture me puffing up four floors carrying a 51cm TV...
>
>
> Aaah, a JPEG image would be better!

And MPEG even better again. Fortunately, the digital cameras were all 
packed away. But my wife went out hunting (for food) at one point and I 
came downstairs and found her about half-way up saying her legs had 
turned to jelly. At that point we were roughly equal at five or six 
climbs each.

> Getting a good life now Peter?
> The only woman in the house is your wife now?

Yep. But never forget that, when you have a man and a woman together, 
the man is always outnumbered.

> something like a walrus out of water. Then, to cap it off, one of the 
> blokes from our church fell 6m from a power pole he was working on, so 
> I've been across Sydney a couple of times to the hospital. Somehow, 
> quite a few e-mails seem to have fallen out of my view!
>
> No fun to hear. All well now?

Not nice: broken wrist, broken upper arm on the other side, broken 
pelvis, bruises and (according to his wife) growing irritation with 
being so restricted. And he's not even out of hospital yet. A workmate 
below saw he was falling headfirst and tried to catch him, so he has 
shoulder injuries, and a testing pole (fibreglas device to enable them 
safely to test for continuity in circuits) which he fell on was 
destroyed, but probably also helped break his fall. They think his 
jacket got caught in the clip on his safety harness so that it opened 
when he leaned back and the jacket shifted. It was the first time Elmer 
had ever seen snow, as they don't get a lot in Manila, where he migrated 
from about 18 months ago.

>
> If I stumble in a good site, which is explaing the howto's, preferably 
> with picture's then I will keep you in mind.

Thanks, Armand. There has been a factor of getting around to it, as well 
as a lot of sifting through conflicting information about Linux issues.

>> I have a Motorola Surfboard cable modem at home, connected to a 
>> network card, and this will eventually go to the linux box which will 
>> then feed to two or three points around the house. Due to the 
>> rearrangement of space in the house now that there are no children 
>> living with us, the study will return to its original position from 
>> 20 years ago, and the space where I currently have my desk and a 
>> variety of bookcases will be emptied of all but a fridge, a server 
>> and a switch. -- and maybe a phone, seeing there's a jack out here.
>>
> We, in Holland, even the telecom-company is selling doing it yourself 
> packages to lay down a telephone wires with wallplugs and more.
> Keep in mind, that from an ADSL stanpoint of view, there is only one 
> ADSL connection (Outlet if you like) to the big mean world.
> So you better lay down some network cables (CAT 5) if you are 
> rebuilding the house.
> I'm not so fan of wireless. And don't know if and how it is to be 
> done, let alone the australian situation.

Telstra in Aus also sells ADSL kits, but cable is a bit more 
complicated. I'll leave the main connexion where it was first put, but 
running cables under the house isn't a big problem, fortunately. Though 
Joshua (IT son) has wireless at his home and reckons it is the best 
thing since sliced bread. If I go that way, the whole linux project 
might become less important.

I've got a fair bit of cat5 cable hastily shoved into a bookcase from 
when I did have the network sort-of running before. I need to set it all 
up again and see what works and what doesn't.

If I can get at least the desktop machine and my laptop both accessing 
the internet, my wife will be able to build up her skills quite a bit. 
She looks cute glued to the screen, holding the mouse as though it might 
turn and rend her if she let it loose for a moment, but she's beginning 
to get the hang of searching the 'net before going to shop.

One problem from before was that I had blue trip wires crossing floors 
in all the rear rooms of the house: one fall and I'd have been before 
the courts on Occupational Health and Safety issues for the rest of my days!

Good to talk to you, Armand!

Peter

>
> Have Fun
> Armand

And to Chris:

I grew up in what was then an outer south-western suburb of Sydney 
(Fairfield), but had a couple of uncles and aunts on farms. I often 
wished I had had a large radio-controlled model aircraft to bring to my 
other aunt's at Baan Baa (I think it was named by a local sheep) near 
Narrabri. It was ideal: flat as far as the eye could see, from the 
property boundary on the banks of the Namoi to the nearest road about 
5km away.

Peter

>
>> Your Bacchus Marsh phone would have been very similar to my Aunty 
>> Panse's black monster at the Forbes farm (Grenfell, actually, but it 
>> was all leading Bushranger country in Gardner's days). From memory, 
>> there was no dial: you had to wind a handle a vcertain number of 
>> turns in various directions, something like opening a safe, only much 
>> quicker. And then the wrong person would answer, same as at Bacchus 
>> Marsh. My memories of the device are dim, as the last time I went 
>> there I was 7, which makes it about 51 years ago.
>>
>> 3g web surfing? I'm very impressed!
>>
>> Well, good night, all!
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> Dostal, Chris E. wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>> What would be awesome .. 802.11b support in GEM.
>>> Would be fairly easy to port from linux would it?
>>> I don't know.. It's an out-there question based on postings I've seen
>>> recently.
>>> GEM-Wireless with GEM-Web?.. Mouthwatering.
>>> Does anyone have any plans for GEM-FTP, GEM-MSN ? GEM-IRC?
>>> I just wonder..
>>>
>>> -------------------------
>>> Peter,
>>> G'day mate.. Good to see we've still got some posters here!
>>> USB2 is a very good standard, USB 1.X was absolutely crap and I'd
>>> suggest strongly if you can.. Get a USB 2 setup going with a hub and
>>> "backwardscompatibilise" the older devices. Due to some serious lack 
>>> of standards in USB1.x we had half of the
>>> manufacturers creating NEC "openhost" compliant devices and half.. 
>>> Not..
>>> A mixture would work with Via based chipsets and a mixture would work
>>> with Intel.. It was a nightmare.
>>>
>>> Get yourself a good quality USB2 PCI card and all your worries will
>>> dissapear..
>>> Personally, I had great results with one I got from dick smith.. (I
>>> know.. I know.. Dick smith.. But it was discounted!)
>>> Matched with a decent hub should work like a treat.
>>>
>>> I definitely agree with laptop-usb being far more friendly, infact.. 
>>> USB
>>> was designed as a collection of ideas into one main standard for all
>>> hardware platforms, embedded.. Etc.. Pity no one agreed and the
>>> collection of ideas turned into a collection of standards!!!
>>>
>>> --------------------
>>> By the way I saw an email about something in "Forbes".. Mannnnnnnnnnn
>>> that's out the middle of no-where!!
>>> I laughed tho, small towns are where I grew up (Bacchus marsh, about
>>> half way between melbourne and ballarat).
>>> My first memory of a phone was a giant pulse dialed thing that when 
>>> it'd
>>> ring, we'd answer and there'd be commonly someone on the other end
>>> already mid-conversation and we'd know it wasn't for us..
>>>
>>> Makes me laugh living in inner city suburbs now on a "3g" mobile 
>>> surfing
>>> the net from the train.. Annyway :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gem-dev-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:gem-dev-bounces at simpits.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Peter Green
>>> Sent: Thursday, 15 July 2004 10:40 PM
>>> To: a.colleye at wxs.nl; GEM Development
>>> Subject: Re: [GEM Development] GEMWeb with ADSL or Cable
>>>
>>> G'day again!
>>>
>>> Armand, you asked me to comment, but I'm not sure what part you 
>>> wanted a
>>> comment on. If it's the DNS limits, I really don't know, though I use
>>> Win 2k. If that's the question, I can pass it on to someone more expert
>>> than myself.
>>>
>>> If you are talking about USB, I generally avoid it where I can, as I
>>> haven't found it entirely reliable. I have USB 1.1 on the board of my
>>> main computer, supporting a scanner and printer, but I can't connect
>>> other devices via a hub, as they destroy the scanner/printer
>>> installation, meaning I have to reinstall software to use them. My
>>> daughter's webcam is a special problem in this respect.
>>>
>>> I also have a USB 2.0 card, which the computer knows is there, but
>>> that's all. I have crashed the computer a couple of times trying to use
>>> it, but mostly the computer just won't detect anything on that card. I
>>> suppose it keeps dust from collecting in that PCI slot. After the first
>>> time I tried to use it and the computer crashed, Windows Help
>>> disappeared, so there's no troubleshooting help now, not that that 
>>> often
>>> does anything anyway.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, I also have a laptop with 1x USB 1.1 connexion and a
>>> USB 2.0 PCMCIA card, and they both work quite well. So maybe USB is 
>>> only
>>> for laptops.
>>>
>>> I use a NIC in the desktop machine for the cable access.
>>>
>>> Have a fun and USB-free weekend.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> Armand Colleye wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Heinz Rath wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> hi
>>>>>
>>>>> i am not completly sure if i correctly understood what Armand mean.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Well Heinz, English is als not my first language.
>>>> So I have to try to put my thoughts in simple words. Like you do I 
>>>> presume
>>>> Sorry if I can't help you, because you put your statement in front, 
>>>> and not underneath my lines.
>>>> So I do not have any clue, which text-part you don't understand.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You can use GEMWeb to surf internet also with ADSL of Cable
>>>>> the only thing is you need is that your cable or adsl modem is
>>>>> connected threw a network card with your computer. For USB adsl
>>>>> modems i have no solution.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> In the Netherlands the competition between the providers is strong. 
>>>> You get more for less.
>>>> This means that the upload/donwload stream get bigger for the same 
>>>> or less flat-fee per month.
>>>> Keep that in mind and that USB is a piece of hardware that is not 
>>>> capable (in the end) to cope with such data quantity streams.
>>>> USB is invented after DOS. SO to have drivers to get USB under DOS 
>>>> is difficult if not possible.
>>>>
>>>> In order to use GEMWEB you need the other vehicle, and that is a 
>>>> sort of TXP/IP going is it not?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> For example i am using cable. The trick do it is to simple
>>>>> use a pktdrvr for dos. that's it nothing more to do at least
>>>>> for me as i have a fixed ip. If you have a dynamic ip you would
>>>>> habe to search for a dhcp client.
>>>>>
>>>>> there is a little update for GEMWeb needed. you can download it
>>>>> here.
>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/heinz_rath/gemwupd.zip
>>>>>
>>>>> here you can find some packet drivers
>>>>> http://www.crynwr.com/drivers/00index.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Well thanks for the URL's :))
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> you can also use the msclient network to surf with gemweb. i think
>>>>> i have here still a mail on my harddisk which describes how it
>>>>> works...(i think the file protocol.ini needs change) i will search
>>>>> it out if you need it.
>>>>>
>>>>> the trick is simply set packet interrupt to 0x60
>>>>> and then make this changes to wattcp.cfg
>>>>> IP=x.x.x.x
>>>>> NETMASK=255.255.255.0
>>>>> GATEWAY=x.x.x.x
>>>>> NAMESERVER=x.x.x.x
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I use a DSL-router modem.
>>>> The trick above is correct, with the following addition/mutation
>>>>
>>> (IMHO):
>>>
>>>
>>>> IP is the IP you give to your own PC. Static or via dhcp
>>>> GATEWAY is the ip-adres you give your router.
>>>> The default route should lead to this IP-adres.
>>>> seearch through the man-pages and you will find a command line that 
>>>> reads like:
>>>> route add 0 ip-adres or route add default ip-adres
>>>> nameserver or DNS should contain the ip-adres of your own router 
>>>> and the dns-ip that form your provider. So in total 2 lines.
>>>> OS/2 has a maximum of 3 DNS. Maybe have other OS'es a other limit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> instead of x.x.x.x write your ip's.
>>>>> i hope this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> To me, Armand a lot.
>>>> Peter please give feedback on this
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> with nice greetings
>>>>> heinz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Have Fun
>>>> Armand
>>>>
>>>>
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