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<DIV><SPAN class=343062915-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Right
Mike,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=343062915-31012004>The "flag pole" rod design, with POT based mechanical
displacement amplifiers</SPAN>,<SPAN class=343062915-31012004> and no
fancy housing could be made for about $40. This feels quite good, though
different than the SSC design and does not have differential travel for the
pitch axis. </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=343062915-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=343062915-31012004><A
href="http://pages.zdnet.com/johncraigrochester/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/cambearing02.jpg">http://pages.zdnet.com/johncraigrochester/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/cambearing02.jpg</A></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=343062915-31012004>That's a pic of a test rig. It wouldn't take much
more to make it quite usable. And one could make a faux base out of
wood. I flew Falcon4 with it and it was much more precise than the Cougar
base.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=343062915-31012004>Craig R.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=343062915-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=343062915-31012004> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org]<B>On
Behalf Of</B> Mike Williams<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:14
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Simulator Cockpit tech list'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[simpits-tech] Marvs SCC<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">One other part should be factored in to
the machining cost, not all the parts need to be machined by a shop, some are
intricate, but some are not. From the drawings, there are certainly parts in
there that can be made by the novice machinist, cutting down shop time. Craig
has said the high fidelity model they designed could be simplified down some
for the less hard core types, don’t know his plans there though. The intent of
the design was for high fidelity from the start and not a certain pricepoint.
With the drawings being released to the community I am sure there will be some
individuals with the resources to cut the cost way down. The LVDT conditioners
can be had on ebay cheaply and at least one of the LVDTs, the smaller LVDT
will most likely have to be bought retail. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org]
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Craig
Rochester<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday,
January 31, 2004 8:55 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
Simulator Cockpit tech list<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [simpits-tech] Marvs
SCC</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi
Steve,<BR><BR>You wrote:<BR><BR><FONT color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue">"At
least with Craig and Dave's homebrew plans, the cost is sure to be a heckuva
lot less than 2.5 G's"</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Dave
estimated the shop time to produce the Viperpit.org SSC @ about 40
hrs. Let me pull a $/hr out of my bum --> $60.
That's $2,400 just for the machining. Of course that's for a single unit
and multiple units would bring this down some, but unless it were mass
produced in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region>, it wouldn't reduce the
price that much.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">"</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue">It certainly
isn't going to be the same quality as you are likely to
produce"</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">This is NOT certain. The Viperpit.org worked to
the exact specifications for the real SSC. Dave's machining is second to
none. I'm not taking anything away from Marv's work, but on what basis
do you make your quality assumption?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Craig
R.</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org<BR>[<A
href="mailto:simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org"
target=_blank>mailto:simpits-tech-bounces@simpits.org</A>]On Behalf Of Steve
Wilson<BR>Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 3:32 AM<BR>To: Simulator Cockpit
tech list<BR>Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Marvs SCC<BR><BR><BR>Marv, the price
is what it is. You deserve to be compensated for your costs<BR>and
efforts, and Chris Mihok has to get his cut too, since he's your front<BR>man
and distributor. It doesn't help, though, that a project that
as<BR>originally touted as something for simpit builders ended up being so
doggone<BR>good it was priced more for Uncle Sugar and his henchmen at the
Pentagon.<BR>Gads, good job dude, and way to go. There's a perfectly
understandable<BR>inflation factor there too. I guess what's spouting
off betwixt my ears<BR>here is the length of time I and a lot of other guys,
both here and<BR>elsewhere, spent hoping the original was going to be
something we could<BR>afford and would be available soon, a "soon" that was
more like a year ago.<BR><BR>And yes, I do understand that the timing of this
project is something worked<BR>around *your* life and your convenience - you
really never owed any of us<BR>anything!! Bigtime.<BR><BR>I also
understand you may have a lesser priced version at some point - but<BR>how can
I or anyone else ask you to look into your crystal ball and ask how<BR>far in
the future that's going to be? At least with Craig and
Dave's<BR>homebrew plans, the cost is sure to be a heckuva lot less than 2.5
G's and<BR>the timing only limited by our ability to get our own parts
done. It<BR>certainly isn't going to be the same quality as you are
likely to produce I<BR>know, and I regret that. The real thing is that,
at some point, the<BR>arrogance in me actually expects to finish building
cockpit(s) and to get<BR>down to the task of learning how to be the best F-16
sim driver that I can<BR>be. That's the goal, at least for
me.<BR><BR>But all that **whining** aside, Marv, go sell the thing, go sell a
thousand<BR>of 'em. You really don't owe me an apology for the price,
but thanks<BR>anyway.<BR><BR>It's not often that one's efforts in a hobby can
be turned into something<BR>worth literally thousands of dollars, and can
actually help defend this fine<BR>land of ours at the same time, at least
indirectly. For that<BR>accomplishment, you have my
respect.<BR><BR>Steve<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Marv
De Beque" <mdebeque@woh.rr.com><BR>To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list"
<simpits-tech@simpits.org><BR>Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 3:28
PM<BR>Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Marvs SCC<BR><BR><BR>>
Steve,<BR>><BR>> Sorry about the cost, but the sale price obviously
represents my cost for<BR>> the components, too.<BR>><BR>> That is
why we're considering a home builder version. Hopefully,
that<BR>will<BR>> address this market. I'll keep you posted as things
develop.<BR>><BR>> Marv<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On
1/30/04 12:48 PM, "Steve Wilson" <mafsix@hotmail.com>
wrote:<BR>><BR>> > I got an unsolicited email from my ol' pal Chris
Mihok yesterday (ACC<BR>Prez).<BR>> > $2,520.00 - based on them selling
12 units. No change from the last<BR>time I<BR>> > got the info
from Marv here in this fine forum. I'm sure at that price<BR>a<BR>>
> variety of buyers, mainly government/military, will buy them.
Certainly<BR>a<BR>> > nice thing to have, but apparently not aimed at
the casual simpit<BR>builder.<BR>> > I spent just over a grand on my
rudder pedals, so I don't mind spending<BR>> > serious cash on a part
for my overpriced playpen. But even I have my<BR>> > limits!
;-)<BR>> ><BR>> > Steve W.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >
----- Original Message -----<BR>> > From: "Michi Hirczy"
<mi.hi@gmx.net><BR>> > To:
<simpits-tech@simpits.org><BR>> > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004
1:03 AM<BR>> > Subject: [simpits-tech] Marvs SCC<BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>> >> Hey, Marv!<BR>> >><BR>> >> I actually
read the announcement at sim-news.com, that you teamed up<BR>> >>
with Advanced Computer Concepts for your SSC. Do you have any pricing<BR>>
>> information (i.e. nothing has changed since last time, about
1.500,-)?<BR>> >><BR>> >> greetings<BR>> >>
michi<BR>> >> --<BR>> >> lg, michi<BR>> >><BR>>
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