From dabigboy at cox.net  Sun Aug  5 17:21:25 2012
From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 17:21:25 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Arduino victory!
Message-ID: <20120805202125.V0WQI.933180.imail@eastrmwml107>

Well, this non C coding, Python welding cockpit builder has just achieved another little victory: I am driving a real Cessna OAT (outside air temp) gauge with an Arduino, from within Python on my laptop. I had to use a resistor to pull voltage down, otherwise even low PWM duty cycles overwhelmed the little temp gauge, resulting in a very poor resolution (basically the gauge would max out at a cycle of 24 out of 255 pulses). Calibration is not exactly perfect, but it's close enough for now. I think the serial comms was the hardest part! Working great now...more importantly, I am sending two pieces of data (temp and flap setting) and am able to keep them straight in the Arduino...yay!

Video to come soon.

Matt

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Aug  6 07:02:04 2012
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (geneb)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:02:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Arduino victory!
In-Reply-To: <20120805202125.V0WQI.933180.imail@eastrmwml107>
References: <20120805202125.V0WQI.933180.imail@eastrmwml107>
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On Sun, 5 Aug 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote:

> Well, this non C coding, Python welding cockpit builder has just 
> achieved another little victory: I am driving a real Cessna OAT (outside 
> air temp) gauge with an Arduino, from within Python on my laptop. I had 
> to use a resistor to pull voltage down, otherwise even low PWM duty 
> cycles overwhelmed the little temp gauge, resulting in a very poor 
> resolution (basically the gauge would max out at a cycle of 24 out of 
> 255 pulses). Calibration is not exactly perfect, but it's close enough 
> for now. I think the serial comms was the hardest part! Working great 
> now...more importantly, I am sending two pieces of data (temp and flap 
> setting) and am able to keep them straight in the Arduino...yay!

Congrats!

An easy way to improve the accuracy of the gauge would be to find out what 
the min/max drive values are and then use the map() function to map 
temperature values coming from the simulator to the gauge position.  I 
used the scaling algorithym(sp?) that map() uses when I did my airspeed 
indicator demo a few years ago.

g.

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From dabigboy at cox.net  Mon Aug  6 17:42:03 2012
From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:42:03 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Arduino victory!
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1208060700330.19229@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <20120806204203.9MYSM.961246.root@eastrmwml105>


---- geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote: 
> On Sun, 5 Aug 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote:
> 
> > Well, this non C coding, Python welding cockpit builder has just 
> > achieved another little victory: I am driving a real Cessna OAT (outside 
> > air temp) gauge with an Arduino, from within Python on my laptop. I had 
> > to use a resistor to pull voltage down, otherwise even low PWM duty 
> > cycles overwhelmed the little temp gauge, resulting in a very poor 
> > resolution (basically the gauge would max out at a cycle of 24 out of 
> > 255 pulses). Calibration is not exactly perfect, but it's close enough 
> > for now. I think the serial comms was the hardest part! Working great 
> > now...more importantly, I am sending two pieces of data (temp and flap 
> > setting) and am able to keep them straight in the Arduino...yay!
> 
> Congrats!
> 
> An easy way to improve the accuracy of the gauge would be to find out what 
> the min/max drive values are and then use the map() function to map 
> temperature values coming from the simulator to the gauge position.  I 
> used the scaling algorithym(sp?) that map() uses when I did my airspeed 
> indicator demo a few years ago.
> 
> g.

Hmmm I had not heard of map() before....I just looked it up. If I understand this correctly, it would provide a handy way for me to define a function that matches the curve and units of my temp scale, and then apply it to whatever temp reading is coming from the sim, no? I already found the min/max PWM values for the gauge, what I'm doing now is adding a fixed number to my temp value (since the gauge reads temps down to -50, and obviously I need to send values greater than 0 to the PWM pin). I figured, based on the min and max values only, the ratio of temp units to PWM units (my PWM range is still a bit less than the temp range....about 140 steps over a 170*F gauge). But this does not give me perfect results, and it appears to be for two reasons:

1: The gauge's scale is slightly non-linear....for example, -50 to 0 is finer than 0 to +50, and anything over 100 gets a slightly different scale also.
2: Response of the needle doesn't seem to be perfectly linear with PWM duty cycle; I'm guessing the resistance of whatever element was in the original temp probe on the aircraft is non-linear, and the gauge was just designed to match this.

My hack for the moment is to add a different offset to the temp value before converting it to PWM units...it comes reasonably close at most temps. I could probably just tack on a few more unique offset ranges and get the temp real close.

Getting a larger resistor might allow me to go 1-to-1 temp vs PWM values, which I suppose would simplify the calibration routine (code-wise and in my head also). But right now I am using basically "free" electrical components: this particular big ol' resistor was pulled from the video/sweeper logic board from my gutted Bendix weather radar unit, which also includes a host of other lovely goodies. :)

Matt

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue Aug  7 06:17:00 2012
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (geneb)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:17:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Arduino victory!
In-Reply-To: <20120806204203.9MYSM.961246.root@eastrmwml105>
References: <20120806204203.9MYSM.961246.root@eastrmwml105>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1208070614430.30588@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>

On Mon, 6 Aug 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote:

>> An easy way to improve the accuracy of the gauge would be to find out what
>> the min/max drive values are and then use the map() function to map
>> temperature values coming from the simulator to the gauge position.  I
>> used the scaling algorithym(sp?) that map() uses when I did my airspeed
>> indicator demo a few years ago.
>>
>> g.
>
> Hmmm I had not heard of map() before....I just looked it up. If I 
> understand this correctly, it would provide a handy way for me to define 
> a function that matches the curve and units of my temp scale, and then 
> apply it to whatever temp reading is coming from the sim, no? I already 
> found the min/max PWM values for the gauge, what I'm doing now is adding 
> a fixed number to my temp value (since the gauge reads temps down to 
> -50, and obviously I need to send values greater than 0 to the PWM pin). 
> I figured, based on the min and max values only, the ratio of temp units 
> to PWM units (my PWM range is still a bit less than the temp 
> range....about 140 steps over a 170*F gauge). But this does not give me 
> perfect results, and it appears to be for two reasons:
>
> 1: The gauge's scale is slightly non-linear....for example, -50 to 0 is 
> finer than 0 to +50, and anything over 100 gets a slightly different 
> scale also.
> 2: Response of the needle doesn't seem to be perfectly 
> linear with PWM duty cycle; I'm guessing the resistance of whatever 
> element was in the original temp probe on the aircraft is non-linear, 
> and the gauge was just designed to match this.
>

What I did was to use a series of translation functions depending on where 
I needed the needle to be.  For example, if you look at the gauge face in 
the video, you can see that the tick marks aren't spaced evenly round the 
face.  I just coded it such that it would use the right translation range 
given the input value.  That guaranteed that no matter what I fed it, the 
needle would be in the right position.

g.


-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
[Cipher in a.s.r]

From dabigboy at cox.net  Tue Aug  7 16:51:48 2012
From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:51:48 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Arduino victory!
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1208070614430.30588@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <20120807195148.RXMGX.616806.imail@fed1rmwml107>


---- geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote: 
> 
> What I did was to use a series of translation functions depending on where 
> I needed the needle to be.  For example, if you look at the gauge face in 
> the video, you can see that the tick marks aren't spaced evenly round the 
> face.  I just coded it such that it would use the right translation range 
> given the input value.  That guaranteed that no matter what I fed it, the 
> needle would be in the right position.

Cool, that's more or less the direction I'm headed I think. It's just a matter of spending some time playing with the gauge and experimenting with numbers.

Matt

From phoenixcomm at gmail.com  Wed Aug  8 16:18:40 2012
From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 18:18:40 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Arduino victory!
In-Reply-To: <20120805202125.V0WQI.933180.imail@eastrmwml107>
References: <20120805202125.V0WQI.933180.imail@eastrmwml107>
Message-ID: <5022F3D0.2040002@gmail.com>

On 8/5/2012 7:21 PM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote:
> Well, this non C coding, Python welding cockpit builder has just achieved another little victory: I am driving a real Cessna OAT (outside air temp) gauge with an Arduino, from within Python on my laptop. I had to use a resistor to pull voltage down, otherwise even low PWM duty cycles overwhelmed the little temp gauge, resulting in a very poor resolution (basically the gauge would max out at a cycle of 24 out of 255 pulses). Calibration is not exactly perfect, but it's close enough for now. I think the serial comms was the hardest part! Working great now...more importantly, I am sending two pieces of data (temp and flap setting) and am able to keep them straight in the Arduino...yay!
>
> Video to come soon.
>
> Matt
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Ok congrats so where is du video???

and btw
all you need is a function that has a look up table in it..
pwm oat( value ){
pwm{ min,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,max};
return pwm[value];
}

From dabigboy at cox.net  Fri Aug 10 22:05:47 2012
From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 22:05:47 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] O/T: Found my next daily driver
Message-ID: <20120811010547.LWVFB.663431.imail@fed1rmwml108>

http://www.ebay.com/itm/150874839038

:)

From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com  Fri Aug 10 22:21:30 2012
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:21:30 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] O/T: Found my next daily driver
Message-ID: <000601cd7781$09fe67e7$0200a8c0@pacsim.local>

2 questions;
Can I have a go, and......is your life insurance up to date?

Lol

SeanG

"dabigboy at cox.net" <dabigboy at cox.net> wrote:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/150874839038

:)
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From dabigboy at cox.net  Sat Aug 11 09:52:22 2012
From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 9:52:22 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Video update
Message-ID: <20120811125222.PGJDB.663848.imail@fed1rmwml304>

Got a video showing the entire cockpit in its latest state:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNrewuFgxT4

Still got radar issues to iron out, but the good news is all the radar stuff (including the image acquisition software) is running on a single PC now.

Matt

From fsim at rwaltman.com  Sat Aug 11 11:11:25 2012
From: fsim at rwaltman.com (Roberto Waltman)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:11:25 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Video update
In-Reply-To: <20120811125222.PGJDB.663848.imail@fed1rmwml304>
References: <20120811125222.PGJDB.663848.imail@fed1rmwml304>
Message-ID: <5026A04D.1060304@rwaltman.com>

dabigboy at cox.net wrote:
> Got a video showing the entire cockpit in its latest state:

Congratulations, lots of progress.

From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com  Sat Aug 11 15:38:15 2012
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 10:38:15 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Video update
In-Reply-To: <5026A04D.1060304@rwaltman.com>
References: <20120811125222.PGJDB.663848.imail@fed1rmwml304>
	<5026A04D.1060304@rwaltman.com>
Message-ID: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127A@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>

>> Got a video showing the entire cockpit in its latest state:

>Congratulations, lots of progress.

That's looking very slick, the sim that is, perhaps not the takeoff ;-)
I like your real throttle quad.. might have to do a little ebay hunting
for mine I think!

SeanG

From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com  Sat Aug 11 15:41:02 2012
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 10:41:02 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Throttles..
Message-ID: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127B@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>

I am on the hunt for either an old Thrustmester "Attack Throttle" or a
Suncom F-15 Throttle.  I only need the "head" of either one, so I am
really looking for a broken one, but don't want to pay the loopy prices
that are coming up on evil_bay.

 

While I'm at it, a Suncom F-15E Stick would be useful as well (again, I
only want the head of the thing, so broken is perfect)

 

I know these old things are getting rare, but I am sure there must be a
few knocking around in that box that we all have under the workbench ;-)

SeanG

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From marcquintin at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 11 15:44:14 2012
From: marcquintin at hotmail.com (Marc Quintin)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 18:44:14 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Throttles..
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I have both, where do you live?

Marc..

Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 10:41:02 +1200
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] Throttles..

I am on the hunt for either an old Thrustmester ?Attack Throttle? or a Suncom F-15 Throttle.  I only need the ?head? of either one, so I am really looking for a broken one, but don?t want to pay the loopy prices that are coming up on evil_bay. While I?m at it, a Suncom F-15E Stick would be useful as well (again, I only want the head of the thing, so broken is perfect) I know these old things are getting rare, but I am sure there must be a few knocking around in that box that we all have under the workbench ;-)

SeanG
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From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com  Sat Aug 11 16:21:16 2012
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:21:16 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Throttles..
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Hey Marc,

I'm in New Zealand (the furthest point from anywhere, pretty much...)  J

 

SeanG

 

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I have both, where do you live?

Marc..

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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 10:41:02 +1200
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] Throttles..

I am on the hunt for either an old Thrustmester "Attack Throttle" or a
Suncom F-15 Throttle.  I only need the "head" of either one, so I am
really looking for a broken one, but don't want to pay the loopy prices
that are coming up on evil_bay.

 

While I'm at it, a Suncom F-15E Stick would be useful as well (again, I
only want the head of the thing, so broken is perfect)

 

I know these old things are getting rare, but I am sure there must be a
few knocking around in that box that we all have under the workbench ;-)

SeanG


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From marcquintin at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 11 16:26:51 2012
From: marcquintin at hotmail.com (Marc Quintin)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:26:51 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Throttles..
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Holly molly, yup that is far, I'm in California, not sure how much shipping would be

Marc..

Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:21:16 +1200
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Throttles..

Hey Marc,I?m in New Zealand (the furthest point from anywhere, pretty much...)  J SeanG From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Marc Quintin
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Marc..Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 10:41:02 +1200
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] Throttles..I am on the hunt for either an old Thrustmester ?Attack Throttle? or a Suncom F-15 Throttle.  I only need the ?head? of either one, so I am really looking for a broken one, but don?t want to pay the loopy prices that are coming up on evil_bay. While I?m at it, a Suncom F-15E Stick would be useful as well (again, I only want the head of the thing, so broken is perfect) I know these old things are getting rare, but I am sure there must be a few knocking around in that box that we all have under the workbench ;-)

SeanG
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From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com  Sat Aug 11 16:28:39 2012
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:28:39 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Throttles..
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Work it out, give me a price and let's talk ;-)

 

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Holly molly, yup that is far, I'm in California, not sure how much
shipping would be

Marc..

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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:21:16 +1200
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Throttles..

Hey Marc,

I'm in New Zealand (the furthest point from anywhere, pretty much...)  J

 

SeanG

 

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Sent: Sunday, 12 August 2012 10:44 a.m.
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Throttles..

 

I have both, where do you live?

Marc..

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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 10:41:02 +1200
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] Throttles..

I am on the hunt for either an old Thrustmester "Attack Throttle" or a
Suncom F-15 Throttle.  I only need the "head" of either one, so I am
really looking for a broken one, but don't want to pay the loopy prices
that are coming up on evil_bay.

 

While I'm at it, a Suncom F-15E Stick would be useful as well (again, I
only want the head of the thing, so broken is perfect)

 

I know these old things are getting rare, but I am sure there must be a
few knocking around in that box that we all have under the workbench ;-)

SeanG


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From marcquintin at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 11 17:31:56 2012
From: marcquintin at hotmail.com (Marc Quintin)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:31:56 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Throttles..
In-Reply-To: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127D@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>
References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127B@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>,
	<SNT106-W4444447297F24D90D8AD36A2B20@phx.gbl>,
	<2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127C@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>,
	<SNT106-W35C84AB40983370E7C75EEA2B20@phx.gbl>,
	<2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127D@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>
Message-ID: <SNT106-W22B2431304DCDAC0764D69A2B10@phx.gbl>


Ok, I'll check with the post office Monday and get back to you

Marc..

Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:28:39 +1200
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Throttles..

Work it out, give me a price and let?s talk ;-) SeanG From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Marc Quintin
Sent: Sunday, 12 August 2012 11:27 a.m.
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Throttles.. Holly molly, yup that is far, I'm in California, not sure how much shipping would be

Marc..Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:21:16 +1200
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Throttles..Hey Marc,I?m in New Zealand (the furthest point from anywhere, pretty much...)  J SeanG From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Marc Quintin
Sent: Sunday, 12 August 2012 10:44 a.m.
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Throttles.. I have both, where do you live?

Marc..Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 10:41:02 +1200
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] Throttles..I am on the hunt for either an old Thrustmester ?Attack Throttle? or a Suncom F-15 Throttle.  I only need the ?head? of either one, so I am really looking for a broken one, but don?t want to pay the loopy prices that are coming up on evil_bay. While I?m at it, a Suncom F-15E Stick would be useful as well (again, I only want the head of the thing, so broken is perfect) I know these old things are getting rare, but I am sure there must be a few knocking around in that box that we all have under the workbench ;-)

SeanG
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From dabigboy at cox.net  Sat Aug 11 20:54:24 2012
From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:54:24 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Video update
In-Reply-To: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127A@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>
Message-ID: <20120811235424.JPASW.671875.imail@fed1rmwml207>


---- Sean Galbraith <Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com> wrote: 
> >> Got a video showing the entire cockpit in its latest state:
> 
> >Congratulations, lots of progress.
> 
> That's looking very slick, the sim that is, perhaps not the takeoff ;-)
> I like your real throttle quad.. might have to do a little ebay hunting
> for mine I think!

Thanks! Ya I did some "drifting" in the King Air! Good luck on the throttle.........I searched for MONTHS. I never did find a "deal", my wife bought me that quad on ebay for Father's day. I don't know what she paid, but I get the impression it was not cheap. I did see a Cessna 310 quadrant/pedestal go for around $120 last year, I was kicking myself for chickening out on it. As it turns out, the full pedestal would have interfered with my center console anyway.

Rudder pedals, on the other hand, are in greater supply for some reason. I paid $170 shipped for my dual set out of a Cessna Cardinal. You can get them in the $150-$250 range on the 'bay. And if you get a complete set, they are almost bolt-on easy to install....I used wood screws to secure mine to a wood frame I made, then used some cheap components from the local hardware store to make everything work. Some RC linkages and three slide potentiometers will complete everything (the yaw part is working, but I have not yet set up the slide pots for brakes).

I tell you, there is NOTHING like real components, especially for critical pieces like yokes and throttles. The feel is amazing, and one look at the quadrant immediately brings you to the light twin quadrants seen in many GA planes. It's very smooth and precise, and of course it could not be more realistic, since it is, in fact, the real thing! :)

Matt

From dabigboy at cox.net  Sun Aug 12 20:46:25 2012
From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 20:46:25 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cheap/non-HD short throw projector suggestions
Message-ID: <20120812234625.CTP27.1155736.imail@eastrmwml301>

Well I was going to stick with one projector until I had a chance to design and build my cylindrical screen, but recently I discovered I am about to get long-term-loaned a set of three flat free-standing projector screens. It wold be great to have "wrap around" visuals for CockpitFest.....so I am looking for more projectors.

Just wondering if anyone had suggestions on an older short-throw projector. I continue to keep a very tight budget, so I don't need a high res model. I am currently using Mitsibuishi projectors (one in the sim, and one in the living room for movies etc). Both projectors have a native res of 1024x768...not glorious, but enough for good immersive flying. One is an XD430U, the other is almost the same model. Brightness is officially in the 2500 range, with a contrast ratio of 2000:1. I've decided I'd like to stay at this level as a minimum. Trying to keep price under $200 per unit (I picked one of my projectors up for $150, the other for $58.....).

So, any suggestions? Alternatively, if there is some way to use extra lenses to enlarge a "normal" projector's image, I could pick up more of these cheap projectors and just enlarge their images. I have a little bit of optics right now which I'm going to experiment with and see what I can get.

Matt

From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com  Sun Aug 12 20:54:34 2012
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:54:34 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cheap/non-HD short throw projector suggestions
Message-ID: <000001cd7907$3afe2e62$0200a8c0@pacsim.local>

Viewdonic PJD5351 or PJD5352 are good cheap short throw projectors.  I use one in my sim and we've used heaps at work.

SeanG

"dabigboy at cox.net" <dabigboy at cox.net> wrote:

Well I was going to stick with one projector until I had a chance to design and build my cylindrical screen, but recently I discovered I am about to get long-term-loaned a set of three flat free-standing projector screens. It wold be great to have "wrap around" visuals for CockpitFest.....so I am looking for more projectors.

Just wondering if anyone had suggestions on an older short-throw projector. I continue to keep a very tight budget, so I don't need a high res model. I am currently using Mitsibuishi projectors (one in the sim, and one in the living room for movies etc). Both projectors have a native res of 1024x768...not glorious, but enough for good immersive flying. One is an XD430U, the other is almost the same model. Brightness is officially in the 2500 range, with a contrast ratio of 2000:1. I've decided I'd like to stay at this level as a minimum. Trying to keep price under $200 per unit (I picked one of my projectors up for $150, the other for $58.....).

So, any suggestions? Alternatively, if there is some way to use extra lenses to enlarge a "normal" projector's image, I could pick up more of these cheap projectors and just enlarge their images. I have a little bit of optics right now which I'm going to experiment with and see what I can get.

Matt
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From jmiguez at bellsouth.net  Mon Aug 13 05:35:11 2012
From: jmiguez at bellsouth.net (John Miguez)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 07:35:11 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cheap/non-HD short throw projector suggestions
In-Reply-To: <20120812234625.CTP27.1155736.imail@eastrmwml301>
References: <20120812234625.CTP27.1155736.imail@eastrmwml301>
Message-ID: <5028F47F.109@bellsouth.net>

Matt, I use Optoma short throw projectors. The are about 40" from the 
screen and give me a projection about 3' hi and 4' wide. I currently use 
two side by side for an 8' wide projection. I run them at 1280x800 and 
get very good frame rates on my system.

John
On 8/12/2012 10:46 PM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote:
> Well I was going to stick with one projector until I had a chance to design and build my cylindrical screen, but recently I discovered I am about to get long-term-loaned a set of three flat free-standing projector screens. It wold be great to have "wrap around" visuals for CockpitFest.....so I am looking for more projectors.
>
> Just wondering if anyone had suggestions on an older short-throw projector. I continue to keep a very tight budget, so I don't need a high res model. I am currently using Mitsibuishi projectors (one in the sim, and one in the living room for movies etc). Both projectors have a native res of 1024x768...not glorious, but enough for good immersive flying. One is an XD430U, the other is almost the same model. Brightness is officially in the 2500 range, with a contrast ratio of 2000:1. I've decided I'd like to stay at this level as a minimum. Trying to keep price under $200 per unit (I picked one of my projectors up for $150, the other for $58.....).
>
> So, any suggestions? Alternatively, if there is some way to use extra lenses to enlarge a "normal" projector's image, I could pick up more of these cheap projectors and just enlarge their images. I have a little bit of optics right now which I'm going to experiment with and see what I can get.
>
> Matt
>


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Aug 13 06:01:45 2012
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (geneb)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 06:01:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] O/T: Found my next daily driver
In-Reply-To: <20120811010547.LWVFB.663431.imail@fed1rmwml108>
References: <20120811010547.LWVFB.663431.imail@fed1rmwml108>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1208130601230.10139@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>

On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote:

> http://www.ebay.com/itm/150874839038
>
You might want to ask your widow what kind of condolence cards she'd like 
us to send. :)

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
[Cipher in a.s.r]

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Aug 13 06:22:43 2012
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (geneb)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 06:22:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Throttles..
In-Reply-To: <SNT106-W22B2431304DCDAC0764D69A2B10@phx.gbl>
References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127B@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>,
	<SNT106-W4444447297F24D90D8AD36A2B20@phx.gbl>,
	<2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127C@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>,
	<SNT106-W35C84AB40983370E7C75EEA2B20@phx.gbl>, 
	<2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127D@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>
	<SNT106-W22B2431304DCDAC0764D69A2B10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1208130622260.10139@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012, Marc Quintin wrote:

>
> Ok, I'll check with the post office Monday and get back to you
>
Do NOT let him try to trade you for sheep! :)

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
[Cipher in a.s.r]

From bjones at pipecomp.com.au  Mon Aug 13 07:42:12 2012
From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:42:12 +0000
Subject: [simpits-tech] Throttles..
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1208130622260.10139@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>
References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127B@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>,
	<SNT106-W4444447297F24D90D8AD36A2B20@phx.gbl>,
	<2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127C@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>,
	<SNT106-W35C84AB40983370E7C75EEA2B20@phx.gbl>,
	<2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127D@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>
	<SNT106-W22B2431304DCDAC0764D69A2B10@phx.gbl>
	<alpine.LFD.2.02.1208130622260.10139@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <8F53118713E9C44C865A0FE4E83297CEC65804@SINPRD0310MB379.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Baaaa sounds like a fluffy deal to me , someone might get fleeced :)


Ben
<West island of NZ>


-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of geneb
Sent: Monday, 13 August 2012 9:23 PM
To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Throttles..

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012, Marc Quintin wrote:

>
> Ok, I'll check with the post office Monday and get back to you
>
Do NOT let him try to trade you for sheep! :)

g.

--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
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From marcquintin at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 13 10:36:51 2012
From: marcquintin at hotmail.com (Marc Quintin)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:36:51 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Throttles..
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1208130622260.10139@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>
References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127B@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>, ,
	<SNT106-W4444447297F24D90D8AD36A2B20@phx.gbl>, ,
	<2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127C@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>, ,
	<SNT106-W35C84AB40983370E7C75EEA2B20@phx.gbl>, ,
	<2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127D@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>,
	<SNT106-W22B2431304DCDAC0764D69A2B10@phx.gbl>,
	<alpine.LFD.2.02.1208130622260.10139@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <SNT106-W62F290EA1C04912761CF8AA2B00@phx.gbl>


Yeah, it actually cross my mind when he told me NZ HaHa

Only kidding ;)

Marc..

> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 06:22:43 -0700
> From: geneb at deltasoft.com
> To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Throttles..
> 
> On Sat, 11 Aug 2012, Marc Quintin wrote:
> 
> >
> > Ok, I'll check with the post office Monday and get back to you
> >
> Do NOT let him try to trade you for sheep! :)
> 
> g.
> 
> -- 
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
> http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
> Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.
> 
> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
> A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
> 
> Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
> server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
> [Cipher in a.s.r]
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From marcquintin at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 13 11:25:21 2012
From: marcquintin at hotmail.com (Marc Quintin)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:25:21 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Throttles..
In-Reply-To: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127D@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>
References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127B@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>,
	<SNT106-W4444447297F24D90D8AD36A2B20@phx.gbl>,
	<2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127C@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>,
	<SNT106-W35C84AB40983370E7C75EEA2B20@phx.gbl>,
	<2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127D@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>
Message-ID: <SNT106-W45D2E6CDC00AFDD0CD5358A2B00@phx.gbl>


Well, it looks like it wont happen, $75 just for the shipping

Sorry Sean 
Marc..

Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:28:39 +1200
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Throttles..

Work it out, give me a price and let?s talk ;-) SeanG From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Marc Quintin
Sent: Sunday, 12 August 2012 11:27 a.m.
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Throttles.. Holly molly, yup that is far, I'm in California, not sure how much shipping would be

Marc..Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:21:16 +1200
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Throttles..Hey Marc,I?m in New Zealand (the furthest point from anywhere, pretty much...)  J SeanG From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Marc Quintin
Sent: Sunday, 12 August 2012 10:44 a.m.
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Throttles.. I have both, where do you live?

Marc..Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 10:41:02 +1200
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] Throttles..I am on the hunt for either an old Thrustmester ?Attack Throttle? or a Suncom F-15 Throttle.  I only need the ?head? of either one, so I am really looking for a broken one, but don?t want to pay the loopy prices that are coming up on evil_bay. While I?m at it, a Suncom F-15E Stick would be useful as well (again, I only want the head of the thing, so broken is perfect) I know these old things are getting rare, but I am sure there must be a few knocking around in that box that we all have under the workbench ;-)

SeanG
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From czpalm at wideopenwest.com  Mon Aug 13 09:54:48 2012
From: czpalm at wideopenwest.com (Chris Zwolinski)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:54:48 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Helicopter controls
Message-ID: <3A0E7E2D-F73C-4DDF-BD06-414064E28965@wideopenwest.com>

Anyone have a good source for a helicopter collective or throttle mod?

CZ

From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com  Mon Aug 13 16:27:28 2012
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:27:28 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] O/T: Found my next daily driver
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1208130601230.10139@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>
References: <20120811010547.LWVFB.663431.imail@fed1rmwml108>
	<alpine.LFD.2.02.1208130601230.10139@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>
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Hope there are drinks at the funeral ;-)

SeanG

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On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote:

> http://www.ebay.com/itm/150874839038
>
You might want to ask your widow what kind of condolence cards she'd
like us to send. :)

g.

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From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com  Mon Aug 13 16:28:17 2012
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:28:17 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Throttles..
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1208130622260.10139@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>
References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127B@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>
	<SNT106-W4444447297F24D90D8AD36A2B20@phx.gbl>
	<2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127C@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>
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Trout, wet, Qty 1, for the slapping of faces.  That is all.

SeanG

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On Sat, 11 Aug 2012, Marc Quintin wrote:

>
> Ok, I'll check with the post office Monday and get back to you
>
Do NOT let him try to trade you for sheep! :)

g.

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From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com  Mon Aug 13 16:29:58 2012
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:29:58 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Throttles..
In-Reply-To: <8F53118713E9C44C865A0FE4E83297CEC65804@SINPRD0310MB379.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>
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	<SNT106-W4444447297F24D90D8AD36A2B20@phx.gbl>
	<2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127C@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>
	<SNT106-W35C84AB40983370E7C75EEA2B20@phx.gbl>
	<2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE1127D@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>
	<SNT106-W22B2431304DCDAC0764D69A2B10@phx.gbl>
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And this from someone in a state where you have to set your watch back
to 1976 prior to getting off the plane (insert Australia vs NZ war
here...)

Oh, and I'll be in Perth to buy you that beer, next Monday night ;-)

SeanG

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Ben Jones
Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2012 2:42 a.m.
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Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Throttles..

Baaaa sounds like a fluffy deal to me , someone might get fleeced :)


Ben
<West island of NZ>


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Sent: Monday, 13 August 2012 9:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Throttles..

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012, Marc Quintin wrote:

>
> Ok, I'll check with the post office Monday and get back to you
>
Do NOT let him try to trade you for sheep! :)

g.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed Aug 15 10:04:46 2012
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (geneb)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 10:04:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] life inside the mirror cell...
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1208151000060.10228@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>

Wayne created a video the other day of what it's like on the inside of the 
mirror cell as the vacuum draws it down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EHdSUFu3qI

Very, very cool. :)

g.


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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
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Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
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From dabigboy at cox.net  Fri Aug 24 21:07:47 2012
From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:07:47 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Rendering question
Message-ID: <20120825000747.J55HW.814282.imail@fed1rmwml302>

Hey guys, I'm taking my first steps with multi-projector setups...for now it looks like I will be sticking to one projector, but I am learning all I can about projector setups, optics, rendering, syncing, etc. I ran into a dilemma which is befuddling but makes sense......

My test is with two projectors. I set them side-by-side to see if I could sync up and get a "double width" display. I'm using two computers. In X-Plane (my sim of choice), I've set each computer to a 30* FOV and +/-15* viewing offset. The problem is that the entire horizon rotates as the plane pitches up/down......this makes sense. In normal single-view flying, the horizon of course remains a straight line as you pitch up/down, even though in real life the horizon would be distorted if "condensed" into a single flat display (think of the distortion you get with wide-angle lenses). Since the viewing center of each of my computers is pointing off to the side a bit (by 15*), X-Plane's renderer properly reflects the changing angle of the horizon as the plane pitches up and down. The end result is that the horizon, when viewed with both projectors, makes a "V" or "A" shape with pitch up or down, respectively.

I was just wondering if anyone has run into this before, and how you solved the issue? I *think* (and I'm still having a bit of trouble visualizing and understanding all that is at play here) image warping software like Nthusim or similar would take care of this problem when put in spherical projection mode, but I'm really not sure. I know most people just use a single PC with 2 or 3 displays, and since the sim software's spanned image is just one giant display with the line of sight still centered, the horizon remains straight on all displays. I suppose I can go this route if I have to, but I'd really like to take advantage of the power and flexibility of using multiple display computers.

Matt

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Aug 27 14:59:33 2012
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (geneb)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] WAY OT! (but funny if you're twisted)
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1208271458180.26663@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>

I discovered this on Friday:

http://imgur.com/uLTb2

Just down the hill from me.  With rural living comes rural humor I guess. 
:)  The sign must have worked though, the racoon is gone but the sign is 
still there. *laughs*

g.


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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
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From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com  Mon Aug 27 15:18:51 2012
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:18:51 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] WAY OT! (but funny if you're twisted)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1208271458180.26663@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1208271458180.26663@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>
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Oh.. that made me laugh... being as I'm a country boy too ;-)


SeanG

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[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of geneb
Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2012 10:00 a.m.
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] WAY OT! (but funny if you're twisted)

I discovered this on Friday:

http://imgur.com/uLTb2

Just down the hill from me.  With rural living comes rural humor I
guess. 
:)  The sign must have worked though, the racoon is gone but the sign is
still there. *laughs*

g.


--
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value
database for the masses, not the classes.
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From phoenixcomm at gmail.com  Mon Aug 27 18:25:34 2012
From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 20:25:34 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] WAY OT! (but funny if you're twisted)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1208271458180.26663@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1208271458180.26663@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <503C1E0E.8080202@gmail.com>

On 8/27/2012 4:59 PM, geneb wrote:
> I discovered this on Friday:
>
> http://imgur.com/uLTb2
>
> Just down the hill from me.  With rural living comes rural humor I guess.
> :)  The sign must have worked though, the racoon is gone but the sign is
> still there. *laughs*
>
> g.
>
>
Too bad I could have used the tail...LOL

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue Aug 28 06:28:37 2012
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (geneb)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 06:28:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Way OT II...
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1208280628130.2938@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>

This was Reddit's response:

http://imgur.com/LRPJz

:)

g.


-- 
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
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http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
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[Cipher in a.s.r]

From wledzian1 at comcast.net  Tue Aug 28 07:59:10 2012
From: wledzian1 at comcast.net (Wayne Ledzian)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 07:59:10 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Rendering question
In-Reply-To: <20120825000747.J55HW.814282.imail@fed1rmwml302>
Message-ID: <bd0.503cdcbc@www.simpits.org>



The difference in horizon pitch is due to the perspective projection of each image.  For a planar projection, these images are correct, and are NOT distorted, provided the screen(s) are at the correct angle and cover the same field of view as the image you're projecting.  The problem comes up when you try to put the two images side-by-side on a single plane.

NThusim doesn't fix this directly.  Take a close look at the videos of similar setups, and pay attention to the seams.  The angular mismatch is still present.  You can massage out some of the distortion, but without a proper spherical grid, it's a real challenge.

In order to get rid of the problem, the source image must be warped to convert the planar projections to spherical or cylindrical projections.  I know of no software that does this natively, although Sol7 ($$$) does have provisions for an additional warp layer to correct the source image.  Again, it's not (yet?)fully native, you still have to define the warp mesh.

I -think- X-plane (V9, anyway) has spherical (closer to fisheye) and cylindrical projection modes (They require a commercial dongle for each machine), which would work with the existing warping software without requiring further image correction.

From dabigboy at cox.net  Tue Aug 28 23:41:04 2012
From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 23:41:04 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] WAY OT! (but funny if you're twisted)
In-Reply-To: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE11345@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>
Message-ID: <20120829024104.VLFL9.844577.root@fed1rmwml105>

LOL! I guess I'm *really* from the country....I would find it strange that one of the locals managed to piece together the message on the sign with no improper grammar or misspelled words. :)

Matt


---- Sean Galbraith <Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com> wrote: 
> Oh.. that made me laugh... being as I'm a country boy too ;-)
> 
> 
> SeanG
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of geneb
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2012 10:00 a.m.
> To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
> Subject: [simpits-tech] WAY OT! (but funny if you're twisted)
> 
> I discovered this on Friday:
> 
> http://imgur.com/uLTb2
> 
> Just down the hill from me.  With rural living comes rural humor I
> guess. 
> :)  The sign must have worked though, the racoon is gone but the sign is
> still there. *laughs*
> 
> g.
> 
> 
> --
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
> http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
> Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.
> 
> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value
> database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
> 
> Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
> server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
> [Cipher in a.s.r]
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From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 29 11:54:09 2012
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 11:54:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit-Fest USA
Message-ID: <1346266449.71364.YahooMailNeo@web140201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

A new promo video, Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvn8O...ure=plpp_video
?
?
Cockpit-Fest USA lodging info:

Holiday Inn Wichita East I-35 
549 South Rock Road Wichita, KS 67207
(316) 686-7131
Kansas Aviation Museum Cockpit-Fest discount rate at Holiday Inn is $86.00

Just slightly down the road is Econo Lodge. 
8302 E Kellogg Dr Wichita, KS 67207
(316) 612-4646
?
?
?
http://www.kansasaviationmuseum.org/
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed Aug 29 14:52:16 2012
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (geneb)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:52:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit-Fest USA
In-Reply-To: <1346266449.71364.YahooMailNeo@web140201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1346266449.71364.YahooMailNeo@web140201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1208291452040.19632@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>

On Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Justin Messenger wrote:

> A new promo video, Enjoy!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvn8O...ure=plpp_video

Invalid link.

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
[Cipher in a.s.r]

From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Thu Aug 30 12:01:30 2012
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:01:30 +0100
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit-Fest USA
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1208291452040.19632@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>
References: <1346266449.71364.YahooMailNeo@web140201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.02.1208291452040.19632@sidewinder.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <CAPe297ax3WY1347a0ZwAZRU_MpGhT7Q9uefAmOd5GDYV3RCzyQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 29 August 2012 22:52, geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Justin Messenger wrote:
>
> > A new promo video, Enjoy!
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvn8O...ure=plpp_video
>
> Invalid link.
>
>
Presume it's this one:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvn8O79nPgo
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From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 30 12:07:58 2012
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:07:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit-Fest USA video promo
Message-ID: <1346353678.67324.YahooMailNeo@web140204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Gene, see if this link?works better.

?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvn8O79nPgo&feature=share&list=PL1B655AB869D9F980

The Cosmosphere just confirmed they are bringing a SR-71 seat and main instrument panel for display :)
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From dabigboy at cox.net  Thu Aug 30 17:30:20 2012
From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:30:20 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit-Fest USA video promo
In-Reply-To: <1346353678.67324.YahooMailNeo@web140204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20120830203020.APH0W.859889.imail@fed1rmwml107>

Wow, how do people get stuff like SR-71 pieces? Can't wait to see it!

Matt

---- Justin Messenger <jjmessenger at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Gene, see if this link?works better.

?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvn8O79nPgo&feature=share&list=PL1B655AB869D9F980

The Cosmosphere just confirmed they are bringing a SR-71 seat and main instrument panel for display :)


From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 30 20:46:30 2012
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:46:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit-Fest USA video promo
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Matt,
The Cosmosphere has a complete Blackbird on display at thier facility. http://www.cosmo.org/
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Here is a pic of the SR-71 panel that is going to Cockpit-Fest. http://www.vansairforce.net/rv_travel/cosmosphere/sr71cockpit.jpg
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Justin

http://www.simadventure.com/?

From: "dabigboy at cox.net" <dabigboy at cox.net>
>To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List <simpits-tech at simpits.org>; Justin Messenger <jjmessenger at yahoo.com> 
>Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:30 PM
>Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit-Fest USA video promo
>
>Wow, how do people get stuff like SR-71 pieces? Can't wait to see it!
>
>Matt
>
>---- Justin Messenger <jjmessenger at yahoo.com> wrote: 
>> Gene, see if this link?works better.
>
>?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvn8O79nPgo&feature=share&list=PL1B655AB869D9F980
>
>The Cosmosphere just confirmed they are bringing a SR-71 seat and main instrument panel for display :)
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>
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