From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 09:22:13 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:22:13 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Hackerizing a King ADF indicator? In-Reply-To: <20120331233919.2H9HH.192441.imail@fed1rmwml107> References: <20120331233919.2H9HH.192441.imail@fed1rmwml107> Message-ID: <4F7880B5.1000307@gmail.com> On 3/31/2012 10:39 PM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > Hi fellows, I have a little poser for you. I just got my hands on a used King KI-255 00 ADF indicator for my sim (yes, I am old school, I will be doing ADF work with this sim). It's a very basic old model with the manually adjusted compass rose...the only moving, driven part on here is the ADF needle itself. It doesn't seem like it should be too difficult to drive, but I can't find so much as a pin-out on the interwebz. There is a Cannon 4-pin connector at the top which I assume is power for integrated lighting, and then there are 20 pins at the bottom of the back of the unit.....three rows: top row is 7 pins, next row is 6, last one is 7 again. Looks a bit like an oversized DIN connector. > > My first thought is that it uses a series of air core movements to drive the needle with great precision throughout 360 degrees, but my experience with air core movements is still very early. Without dissecting the indicator (and possibly damaging it), I have no way to test this theory reliably and safely. > > If nothing else, I will just gut this thing and use a geared stepper motor to drive the needle, but using the real instrument without modification would be oh so cool. :) > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > I checked my wiring guides and then Googled about for a bit and I came across this.. http://www.peter2000.co.uk/aviation/tb20-experience/ki-256-sb11.pdf I am going to put all of my wiring guides on our website.. www.phoenixaerospace.us/download/wiring_guides it needs a user guide and password(i will not post it here but) i will email you directly if you request it. I also have a large library of simulation and they are here www.phoenixaerospace.us/download/nexgen same rulles as above.. Enjoy... Cris H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120401/7daf46db/attachment.html From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 10:13:00 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 12:13:00 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Hackerizing a King ADF indicator? In-Reply-To: <20120331233919.2H9HH.192441.imail@fed1rmwml107> References: <20120331233919.2H9HH.192441.imail@fed1rmwml107> Message-ID: <4F788C9C.6040106@gmail.com> On 3/31/2012 10:39 PM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > Hi fellows, I have a little poser for you. I just got my hands on a used King KI-255 00 ADF indicator for my sim (yes, I am old school, I will be doing ADF work with this sim). It's a very basic old model with the manually adjusted compass rose...the only moving, driven part on here is the ADF needle itself. It doesn't seem like it should be too difficult to drive, but I can't find so much as a pin-out on the interwebz. There is a Cannon 4-pin connector at the top which I assume is power for integrated lighting, and then there are 20 pins at the bottom of the back of the unit.....three rows: top row is 7 pins, next row is 6, last one is 7 again. Looks a bit like an oversized DIN connector. > > My first thought is that it uses a series of air core movements to drive the needle with great precision throughout 360 degrees, but my experience with air core movements is still very early. Without dissecting the indicator (and possibly damaging it), I have no way to test this theory reliably and safely. > > If nothing else, I will just gut this thing and use a geared stepper motor to drive the needle, but using the real instrument without modification would be oh so cool. :) > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > for all you wiring jockeys out there I just came across NAVAIR 01-1A-505-1 AIRCRAFT ELECTRIC AND ELECTRONIC WIRING: http://www.liberatedmanuals.com/TM-1-1500-323- enjoy Cris H. phoenixcomm.wordpress.com phoenixaerospace.us flite-tronics.com From dabigboy at cox.net Sun Apr 1 11:22:35 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:22:35 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Hackerizing a King ADF indicator? In-Reply-To: <4F788C9C.6040106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120401142235.D09MS.198915.imail@fed1rmwml106> ---- Cris Harrison wrote: > > > for all you wiring jockeys out there I just came across NAVAIR > 01-1A-505-1 AIRCRAFT ELECTRIC AND ELECTRONIC WIRING: > http://www.liberatedmanuals.com/TM-1-1500-323- > That's a 404, Cris. Thanks for the other link/manual you posted, btw. That's some pretty detailed info, complete with circuit diagrams! Matt From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 11:25:56 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:25:56 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Hackerizing a King ADF indicator? In-Reply-To: References: <20120331233919.2H9HH.192441.imail@fed1rmwml107> Message-ID: <4F789DB4.101@gmail.com> On 3/31/2012 10:51 PM, Gene Buckle wrote: > On Sat, 31 Mar 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > >> My first thought is that it uses a series of air core movements to drive >> the needle with great precision throughout 360 degrees, but my >> experience with air core movements is still very early. Without >> dissecting the indicator (and possibly damaging it), I have no way to >> test this theory reliably and safely. > Matt, it probably uses a synchro and not an air-core motor BTW dont worry to much about damaging the unit.. there pretty robust.. most of them come apart the same way of sorts 1. find the spline/tork/alein wrench that holds on the obs knob.. 2. on the back or behind the bezel, find the screws and remove them, if the back comes off your most likely have to remove the connector(s) from the shell.. 3.. SAVE EVERY THING -- TAKE PICS FOR REFERENCE!! for reference: http://phoenixcomm.wordpress.com or my buds l-1011 site we both have the same N1 Tachometer and he pulls one apart.. I have the manual, that I got from a friendly repair station, so he got them working.. http://l1011project.blogspot.com/2010/01/avionics-bending-indicator-tachometer.html From dabigboy at cox.net Sun Apr 1 11:36:18 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:36:18 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Hackerizing a King ADF indicator? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120401143618.9GIGT.199031.imail@fed1rmwml106> ---- Gene Buckle wrote: > On Sat, 31 Mar 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > > > My first thought is that it uses a series of air core movements to drive > > the needle with great precision throughout 360 degrees, but my > > experience with air core movements is still very early. Without > > dissecting the indicator (and possibly damaging it), I have no way to > > test this theory reliably and safely. > > Matt, it probably uses a synchro and not an air-core motor. > > g. Well I got brave and opened it up....there are two cylinders inside, one bigger than the other, each has a bunch of wires coming out of it. I google'd the part # last night and did not come up with anything, will be doing some more research today. I was thinking maybe a stepper motor, but would a synchro also fit this description? I suppose the compass card moves after all, since there appear to be two motors/synchros/steppers/whatever inside. If it's a synchro, I'm guessing it will be much easier to just gut the thing and go the stepper router, rather than trying to drive a synchro....... Matt From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Apr 1 11:58:54 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Hackerizing a King ADF indicator? In-Reply-To: <20120401143618.9GIGT.199031.imail@fed1rmwml106> References: <20120401143618.9GIGT.199031.imail@fed1rmwml106> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Apr 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > Well I got brave and opened it up....there are two cylinders inside, one > bigger than the other, each has a bunch of wires coming out of it. I > google'd the part # last night and did not come up with anything, will > be doing some more research today. I was thinking maybe a stepper motor, > but would a synchro also fit this description? > > I suppose the compass card moves after all, since there appear to be two > motors/synchros/steppers/whatever inside. > > If it's a synchro, I'm guessing it will be much easier to just gut the > thing and go the stepper router, rather than trying to drive a > synchro....... > I've NEVER seen a real aircraft instrument that used a stepper. It _may_ have been done, but I doubt it. You can drive that synchro by building one of Mike Powell's Digital to Synchro converter boards. He covers this in his book, Building Recreational Flight Simulators. You can download board artwork for ExpressPCB from his website. What would be nice is a Synchro to Digital converter so we can read synchro resolvers. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 13:03:21 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:03:21 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Hackerizing a King ADF indicator? In-Reply-To: <20120401143618.9GIGT.199031.imail@fed1rmwml106> References: <20120401143618.9GIGT.199031.imail@fed1rmwml106> Message-ID: <4F78B489.2070002@gmail.com> On 4/1/2012 1:36 PM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > ---- Gene Buckle wrote: >> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: >> >>> My first thought is that it uses a series of air core movements to drive >>> the needle with great precision throughout 360 degrees, but my >>> experience with air core movements is still very early. Without >>> dissecting the indicator (and possibly damaging it), I have no way to >>> test this theory reliably and safely. >> Matt, it probably uses a synchro and not an air-core motor. >> >> g. > Well I got brave and opened it up....there are two cylinders inside, one bigger than the other, each has a bunch of wires coming out of it. I google'd the part # last night and did not come up with anything, will be doing some more research today. I was thinking maybe a stepper motor, but would a synchro also fit this description? > > I suppose the compass card moves after all, since there appear to be two motors/synchros/steppers/whatever inside. > > If it's a synchro, I'm guessing it will be much easier to just gut the thing and go the stepper router, rather than trying to drive a synchro....... > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > send me a pic.. btw how many wires are coming out of each.. most likely 5 syncro, 4 or 6 resolver Cris From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 13:05:39 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:05:39 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Hackerizing a King ADF indicator? In-Reply-To: <20120401143618.9GIGT.199031.imail@fed1rmwml106> References: <20120401143618.9GIGT.199031.imail@fed1rmwml106> Message-ID: <4F78B513.8040302@gmail.com> On 4/1/2012 1:36 PM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > ---- Gene Buckle wrote: >> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: >> >>> My first thought is that it uses a series of air core movements to drive >>> the needle with great precision throughout 360 degrees, but my >>> experience with air core movements is still very early. Without >>> dissecting the indicator (and possibly damaging it), I have no way to >>> test this theory reliably and safely. >> Matt, it probably uses a synchro and not an air-core motor. >> >> g. > Well I got brave and opened it up....there are two cylinders inside, one bigger than the other, each has a bunch of wires coming out of it. I google'd the part # last night and did not come up with anything, will be doing some more research today. I was thinking maybe a stepper motor, but would a synchro also fit this description? > > I suppose the compass card moves after all, since there appear to be two motors/synchros/steppers/whatever inside. > > If it's a synchro, I'm guessing it will be much easier to just gut the thing and go the stepper router, rather than trying to drive a synchro....... > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > one more thing .. pls send with pics part numbers, manufactures, etc or anything else on the item Cris I can most likely id them for you.. Cris From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 20:42:05 2012 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] selling fighter cockpit Message-ID: <1333510925.62954.YahooMailNeo@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Got to raise money for the DC-8 so the F-35 has to go, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item0855049736 www.SimAdventure.com? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120403/e8267b6c/attachment.html From dabigboy at cox.net Wed Apr 4 00:47:36 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 0:47:36 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? Message-ID: <20120404034736.LA6UT.290215.imail@eastrmwml301> Well, tonight I've been knee-deep in Arduino goodness. I have once again stayed up far too late, but it has been very fruitful! So far I have: - Learned how to set and read the state of Arduino's pins; - Read a rotary encoder, and rolled my own debouncing code which allows me to spin the knob considerably faster; - Sent chars, strings, and ints to/from the Arduino and PC; - Successfully driven an air-core motor....woohoo!!! Baby steps, I know...though I am rather proud of the air core thing. :) Anyway, as you can imagine, the Arduino opens up a whole new level of gadgetty goodness I can implement in my sim. Currently, I'm interested in air core motors...the motion is very smooth, completely silent, and can be very precise. Do you guys know of any sort of aircraft instruments in particular that tend to be air-core driven? Right now I am driving an old Cessna flap indicator that I picked up on ebay...original plan was to gut it and use a servo, until I ascertained upon delivery that it uses a simple air core motor. Now the indicator needle is merrily sweeping back and forth on my desk. :D I'm thinking simple instruments like AoA indicators, volt/ammeters, engine gauges, etc. Matt From dabigboy at cox.net Wed Apr 4 01:33:27 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 1:33:27 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] References Message-ID: <20120404043327.E6SE5.229305.imail@fed1rmwml208> Ran across a couple potentially useful resources while researching tonight: First is an FAA publication that includes a bunch of handy, practical info on aircraft instrumentation: http://tinyurl.com/85yyhbv Second deals with synchros: http://tinyurl.com/84stukj (Note: this is a link to the "Quickview" option in Google, but you can download the complete PDF from there as well.) Matt From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Apr 4 12:55:07 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 12:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: <20120404034736.LA6UT.290215.imail@eastrmwml301> References: <20120404034736.LA6UT.290215.imail@eastrmwml301> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Apr 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > - Successfully driven an air-core motor....woohoo!!! > I'd love to see the code for this. Care to post a demo? :) > I'm thinking simple instruments like AoA indicators, volt/ammeters, > engine gauges, etc. Any single needle instrument that doesn't need more than 360 degrees of rotation is a perfect candidate for air-core motors. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 20:00:44 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 22:00:44 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: <20120404034736.LA6UT.290215.imail@eastrmwml301> References: <20120404034736.LA6UT.290215.imail@eastrmwml301> Message-ID: <4F7D0ADC.2000402@gmail.com> On 4/4/2012 2:47 AM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > Well, tonight I've been knee-deep in Arduino goodness. I have once again stayed up far too late, but it has been very fruitful! So far I have: > > - Learned how to set and read the state of Arduino's pins; > > - Read a rotary encoder, and rolled my own debouncing code which allows me to spin the knob considerably faster; > > - Sent chars, strings, and ints to/from the Arduino and PC; > > - Successfully driven an air-core motor....woohoo!!! > > Baby steps, I know...though I am rather proud of the air core thing. :) Anyway, as you can imagine, the Arduino opens up a whole new level of gadgetty goodness I can implement in my sim. Currently, I'm interested in air core motors...the motion is very smooth, completely silent, and can be very precise. Do you guys know of any sort of aircraft instruments in particular that tend to be air-core driven? Right now I am driving an old Cessna flap indicator that I picked up on ebay...original plan was to gut it and use a servo, until I ascertained upon delivery that it uses a simple air core motor. Now the indicator needle is merrily sweeping back and forth on my desk. :D > > I'm thinking simple instruments like AoA indicators, volt/ammeters, engine gauges, etc. > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > Congrats!!! Woopie!! Cris H From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 20:49:42 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 22:49:42 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: References: <20120404034736.LA6UT.290215.imail@eastrmwml301> Message-ID: <4F7D1656.6070802@gmail.com> On 4/4/2012 2:55 PM, Gene Buckle wrote: > On Wed, 4 Apr 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > >> - Successfully driven an air-core motor....woohoo!!! >> > I'd love to see the code for this. Care to post a demo? :) > >> I'm thinking simple instruments like AoA indicators, volt/ammeters, >> engine gauges, etc. > Any single needle instrument that doesn't need more than 360 degrees of > rotation is a perfect candidate for air-core motors. > > g. > gene not really.. the needles in CDI for ILS and all the FLAGS in both the HSI, and VSI are just meter movements why mess about changing them to - air core motors when all you do I hook a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter and drive them... EASY PEASY!! Cris H. phoenixcomm.wordpress.com phoenixaerospace.us flite-tronics.com just remember that pointers in the CDI are zero center ie + 0 - so you need a DAC with bipolar output.. and your flags are uni-polar, ------Data Bus----{ DAC }=(meter movement) a quick present from google: http://pdfserv.maxim-ic.com/en/an/AN2398.pdf From dabigboy at cox.net Wed Apr 4 22:17:25 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 22:17:25 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: <4F7D1656.6070802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120405011725.J4CUY.308755.imail@eastrmwml304> ---- Cris Harrison wrote: > > > gene not really.. the needles in CDI for ILS and all the FLAGS in both > the HSI, and VSI are just meter movements why mess about changing them > to - air core motors when all you do I hook a DAC (Digital to Analog > Converter and drive them... EASY PEASY!! Cris, as it happens, I was just wondering about VOR/CDI gauges....it seems like they would be air-core, but if they are simply "volt meters" then that is super easy to drive! Except for this part..... > just remember that pointers in the CDI are zero center ie + 0 - so you > need a DAC with bipolar output.. > and your flags are uni-polar, > ------Data Bus----{ DAC }=(meter movement) > > a quick present from google: http://pdfserv.maxim-ic.com/en/an/AN2398.pdf .........but I have already run into this with getting more than 120* or so out of my current air core instrument. But if I understand it correctly, I can use an H-bridge to make this work. Also, instead of a DAC, I believe I can just use pulse-width modulation to run the things...doing that currently with air cores and the Arduino. I did come across an ebay listing for the 10-pack engine/system meters that Bonanzas and other Beechcraft planes have....looking at the back panel, it looks like they are simply meter instruments as well, very simple to drive. Matt From dabigboy at cox.net Wed Apr 4 22:47:13 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 22:47:13 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] ADF indicator/synchro update Message-ID: <20120405014713.W4DI7.308822.imail@eastrmwml304> OK fellas, I got some more details (and pics) on that ADF indicator we were discussing a couple days ago. First, the pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/alfamatt/7047008129/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/alfamatt/7047008107/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/alfamatt/7047008103/in/photostream I found something interesting: the larger "can" says it's a goniometer.......now the concept of a goniometer is simple enough, but how to drive/read it as built for an aircraft instrument? I do not know. Or could it be just another synchro in use as a resolver, and King just called it a goniometer because it falls under the broad definition of a goniometer? Here are the skinnies: Type: KI-22500 Part no: 066-3017-00 Big synchro: KR 148-0016-00 Scot P/N: 11HCW5-001 Goniometer Small synchro(?): KR 148-5002-01 Scot P/N: 10SM5-001 12v 175hz SM (this threw me off...does not sound like a standard aircraft synchro) I may yet end up sticking a stepper motor in this thing, but it would sure be awesome if I could make it work as-is. Matt From dabigboy at cox.net Wed Apr 4 23:15:14 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 23:15:14 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120405021514.QDWHY.308886.imail@eastrmwml304> ---- Gene Buckle wrote: > On Wed, 4 Apr 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > > > - Successfully driven an air-core motor....woohoo!!! > > > I'd love to see the code for this. Care to post a demo? :) Really? I'm flattered! :) I took one of the example sketches and modified it extensively to suit my needs (I tend to prefer taking *working* code when I am learning, and modify it one step at a time as needed....I'm a hand-on learner and this avoids a lot of frustration). Pardon me if this is obvious to you already, but basically I'm just using pulse-width modulation to deliver an "average" voltage to each of the motor's two poles, with the voltages being the inverse of each other (the X and Y values of a sine wave, basically). If you wanted to get cute, you could use the Arduino's built-in trig functions to simply pass the Arduino an integer representing whatever info you want the gauge to display, convert it to a value between 0 and 1.0, and figure the X and Y values using sin() or cos(). // Setup two values, one for each pin/each pole of the motor. These are basically the X and Y // values going to the motor, should probably be labeled as such I suppose..... int A = 0; int B = 255; int mode = 0; // set to 0 when A increasing/B decreasing..tells us if our sine value is going up or down, basically. void setup() { // setup output pins pinMode(3, OUTPUT); pinMode(5, OUTPUT); } void loop() { analogWrite(3, A); analogWrite(5, B); if (mode == 0) { // if mode is 0, A is on the rise and B is going down...... A += 5; B -= 5; if (A >= 255) { // once A hits 255, we switch direction...now A beings to decrease, and B goes on the rise. A = 255; B = 0; mode = 1; } } else { A -= 5; B += 5; if (B >= 255) { // same as above, but for B of course A = 0; B = 255; mode = 0; } } // wait for 30 milliseconds, so we have a chance to see the beautiful air core sweep :) delay(30); } > Any single needle instrument that doesn't need more than 360 degrees of > rotation is a perfect candidate for air-core motors. Well, what I'm really interested in is driving REAL instruments, without hackerizing them. :) So far I have learned by finding sweet deals on ebay and then tearing into the instrument to see what makes it tick (like the ADF indicator). I suppose I can keep going this route, so long as it doesn't get too expensive. :) Matt From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 03:53:03 2012 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:53:03 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: <20120405011725.J4CUY.308755.imail@eastrmwml304> References: <4F7D1656.6070802@gmail.com> <20120405011725.J4CUY.308755.imail@eastrmwml304> Message-ID: On 5 April 2012 06:17, wrote: > > > I did come across an ebay listing for the 10-pack engine/system meters > that Bonanzas and other Beechcraft planes have....looking at the back > panel, it looks like they are simply meter instruments as well, very simple > to drive. > > Yup. I'm running a Piper cluster from a PA38 using a D-A. Piper stuff seems to be very low-tech but pretty reliable. Roy. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120405/4808744d/attachment.html From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 05:40:09 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 07:40:09 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: <20120405011725.J4CUY.308755.imail@eastrmwml304> References: <20120405011725.J4CUY.308755.imail@eastrmwml304> Message-ID: <4F7D92A9.1030107@gmail.com> On 4/5/2012 12:17 AM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > ---- Cris Harrison wrote: >> gene not really.. the needles in CDI for ILS and all the FLAGS in both >> the HSI, and VSI are just meter movements why mess about changing them >> to - air core motors when all you do I hook a DAC (Digital to Analog >> Converter and drive them... EASY PEASY!! > Cris, as it happens, I was just wondering about VOR/CDI gauges....it seems like they would be air-core, but if they are simply "volt meters" then that is super easy to drive! Except for this part..... Nope aircraft instrument makes dont know what air core is.. They are mostly zero center voltmeters that measure voltage from some negitive voltage to some posistive voltage.. QUESTION?? Why hack something up, when you dont have to. ANSWER: if its a volt meter drive a voltmeter.. btw NOT with pwm.. just voltage.. >> just remember that pointers in the CDI are zero center ie + 0 - so you >> need a DAC with bipolar output.. >> and your flags are uni-polar, >> ------Data Bus----{ DAC }=(meter movement) >> >> a quick present from google: http://pdfserv.maxim-ic.com/en/an/AN2398.pdf > .........but I have already run into this with getting more than 120* or so out of my current air core instrument. But if I understand it correctly, I can use an H-bridge to make this work. Also, instead of a DAC, I believe I can just use pulse-width modulation to run the things...doing that currently with air cores and the Arduino. > > I did come across an ebay listing for the 10-pack engine/system meters that Bonanzas and other Beechcraft planes have....looking at the back panel, it looks like they are simply meter instruments as well, very simple to drive. > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > about the photos... the idea was to take pictures of the parts with the writing on it.. so I could read it.. From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Apr 5 07:42:56 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 07:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: <4F7D1656.6070802@gmail.com> References: <20120404034736.LA6UT.290215.imail@eastrmwml301> <4F7D1656.6070802@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Apr 2012, Cris Harrison wrote: > On 4/4/2012 2:55 PM, Gene Buckle wrote: >> On Wed, 4 Apr 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: >> >>> - Successfully driven an air-core motor....woohoo!!! >>> >> I'd love to see the code for this. Care to post a demo? :) >> >>> I'm thinking simple instruments like AoA indicators, volt/ammeters, >>> engine gauges, etc. >> Any single needle instrument that doesn't need more than 360 degrees of >> rotation is a perfect candidate for air-core motors. >> >> g. >> > gene not really.. the needles in CDI for ILS and all the FLAGS in both > the HSI, and VSI are just meter movements why mess about changing them > to - air core motors when all you do I hook a DAC (Digital to Analog > Converter and drive them... EASY PEASY!! > Well those are D'Arsennault(sp?) movements and you could probably drive them using the PWM output on the Arduino. It would be impractical (not to mention impossible for thing like flags - no room!) to convert such things to air-core. I seriously doubt Matt would consider such a path when it's painfully obvious that they're not synchros. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Apr 5 07:58:24 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 07:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: <20120405021514.QDWHY.308886.imail@eastrmwml304> References: <20120405021514.QDWHY.308886.imail@eastrmwml304> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Apr 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: >>> - Successfully driven an air-core motor....woohoo!!! >>> >> I'd love to see the code for this. Care to post a demo? :) > > Really? I'm flattered! :) I took one of the example sketches and > modified it extensively to suit my needs (I tend to prefer taking > *working* code when I am learning, and modify it one step at a time as > needed....I'm a hand-on learner and this avoids a lot of frustration). > Pardon me if this is obvious to you already, but basically I'm just > using pulse-width modulation to deliver an "average" voltage to each of > the motor's two poles, with the voltages being the inverse of each other > (the X and Y values of a sine wave, basically). If you wanted to get > cute, you could use the Arduino's built-in trig functions to simply pass > the Arduino an integer representing whatever info you want the gauge to > display, convert it to a value between 0 and 1.0, and figure the X and Y > values using sin() or cos(). > Very slick, thanks for sharing! >> Any single needle instrument that doesn't need more than 360 degrees of >> rotation is a perfect candidate for air-core motors. > > Well, what I'm really interested in is driving REAL instruments, without > hackerizing them. :) So far I have learned by finding sweet deals on > ebay and then tearing into the instrument to see what makes it tick > (like the ADF indicator). I suppose I can keep going this route, so long > as it doesn't get too expensive. :) You _really_ need to get a copy of Building Recreational Flight Simulators, Matt. There's a section dedicated to doing this exact thing. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From fsim at rwaltman.com Thu Apr 5 08:19:01 2012 From: fsim at rwaltman.com (Roberto Waltman) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 11:19:01 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: References: <20120404034736.LA6UT.290215.imail@eastrmwml301> <4F7D1656.6070802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F7DB7E5.9080903@rwaltman.com> Gene Buckle wrote: > Well those are D'Arsennault(sp?) movements D'Arsonval - (Unless they merged wit Renault. ;) ) From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Apr 5 08:31:58 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 08:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: <4F7DB7E5.9080903@rwaltman.com> References: <20120404034736.LA6UT.290215.imail@eastrmwml301> <4F7D1656.6070802@gmail.com> <4F7DB7E5.9080903@rwaltman.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Apr 2012, Roberto Waltman wrote: > Gene Buckle wrote: > >> Well those are D'Arsennault(sp?) movements > > D'Arsonval - (Unless they merged wit Renault. ;) ) > Yep, you're correct. It's been a loooong time since I've thought about such things and there was a mis-naming located in that particular pigeon hole. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From dabigboy at cox.net Thu Apr 5 11:39:16 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:39:16 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: <4F7D92A9.1030107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120405143916.B9XMY.249811.imail@fed1rmwml106> ---- Cris Harrison wrote: > > QUESTION?? Why hack something up, when you dont have to. > ANSWER: if its a volt meter drive a voltmeter.. btw NOT with pwm.. just > voltage.. Oh I totally agree, the idea is to *not* hackerize the instruments, that's why I'm trying to figure out how they work. I'm pretty sure I can use PWM with the Arduino and skip having to make a DAC. The air core certainly responds well to this approach. > about the photos... the idea was to take pictures of the parts with the > writing on it.. so I could read it.. I can barely see the numbers on the bigger can, so I just typed the numbers out and put them in my last post. Is there some more info you need that would be helpful? Matt From dabigboy at cox.net Thu Apr 5 11:42:35 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:42:35 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120405144235.9YKGF.249848.imail@fed1rmwml106> ---- Gene Buckle wrote: > > > Well those are D'Arsennault(sp?) movements and you could probably drive > them using the PWM output on the Arduino. It would be impractical (not to > mention impossible for thing like flags - no room!) to convert such things > to air-core. I seriously doubt Matt would consider such a path when it's > painfully obvious that they're not synchros. Hmmm, if simple meter movements are used so much in instruments, then I have great possibilities! Time to hit up ebay for VOR gauges and other such goodies. :) Matt From dabigboy at cox.net Thu Apr 5 11:50:30 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:50:30 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120405145030.XZGO8.249958.imail@fed1rmwml106> ---- Gene Buckle wrote: > > > Very slick, thanks for sharing! No problem, hope it's useful! > You _really_ need to get a copy of Building Recreational Flight > Simulators, Matt. There's a section dedicated to doing this exact thing. You know, I thought I had a copy around here, but it's actually his original book (building instrumentation). Sounds like a worthwhile investment. Do you remember the guy a while back with the F-100 ejection seat/cockpit? (Real seat, homemade cockpit.) His first name was Matt, I forget his last name. He was one of my first inspirations for cockpit building back in the day. His cockpit was *amazing*. He had 400hz inverters and synchro controllers, the pit was CHOCKED FULL of real gear, like CDIs, attitude indicator, I think he even had an HSI working. I remember thinking he was miles beyond my capabilities and into things I would never be able to do, but as my skills and knowledge have increased, I can just begin to see a path to similar functionality on my own pit........... Matt From fsim at rwaltman.com Thu Apr 5 11:58:58 2012 From: fsim at rwaltman.com (Roberto Waltman) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 14:58:58 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: <20120405143916.B9XMY.249811.imail@fed1rmwml106> References: <20120405143916.B9XMY.249811.imail@fed1rmwml106> Message-ID: <4F7DEB72.80909@rwaltman.com> On 4/5/2012 2:39 PM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > I'm pretty sure I can use PWM with the Arduino and skip having to make a DAC. PWM with a low pass filter *is* a DAC. -- Roberto Waltman From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Apr 5 12:29:24 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: <20120405145030.XZGO8.249958.imail@fed1rmwml106> References: <20120405145030.XZGO8.249958.imail@fed1rmwml106> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Apr 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > > ---- Gene Buckle wrote: >>> >> Very slick, thanks for sharing! > > No problem, hope it's useful! > >> You _really_ need to get a copy of Building Recreational Flight >> Simulators, Matt. There's a section dedicated to doing this exact thing. > > You know, I thought I had a copy around here, but it's actually his > original book (building instrumentation). Sounds like a worthwhile > investment. > It is! > Do you remember the guy a while back with the F-100 ejection > seat/cockpit? (Real seat, homemade cockpit.) His first name was Matt, I > forget his last name. He was one of my first inspirations for cockpit > building back in the day. His cockpit was *amazing*. He had 400hz > inverters and synchro controllers, the pit was CHOCKED FULL of real > gear, like CDIs, attitude indicator, I think he even had an HSI working. > I remember thinking he was miles beyond my capabilities and into things > I would never be able to do, but as my skills and knowledge have > increased, I can just begin to see a path to similar functionality on my > own pit........... http://www.mattssimulator.com g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Apr 5 17:29:03 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] air-core motor demo... Message-ID: This is based on a forum posting I found. I'm using the same h-bridge chip that Mike uses in his air-core driver design, but instead of using a PIC, I'm using an Arduino. http://youtu.be/ut9GZJTI3iA Enjoy! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From dabigboy at cox.net Thu Apr 5 17:51:34 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:51:34 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120405205134.EIPHY.255657.imail@fed1rmwml304> ---- Gene Buckle wrote: > > http://www.mattssimulator.com Aww he stole my URL! ;) That's the one I was thinking of, thanks for posting. Does he hang out anywhere or engage the community at all? I'd love to see some of his diagrams for the synchro stuff. Of course, it appears he's still using EPIC, so he's probably doing more work than he needs to. :) Matt From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Apr 5 18:20:47 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 18:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: <20120405205134.EIPHY.255657.imail@fed1rmwml304> References: <20120405205134.EIPHY.255657.imail@fed1rmwml304> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Apr 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > > ---- Gene Buckle wrote: >> >> http://www.mattssimulator.com > > Aww he stole my URL! ;) That's the one I was thinking of, thanks for > posting. Does he hang out anywhere or engage the community at all? I'd > love to see some of his diagrams for the synchro stuff. > He pretty much keeps to himself, but is very helpful in answering questions. > Of course, it appears he's still using EPIC, so he's probably doing more > work than he needs to. :) You'd be surprised at how useful EPIC is. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From dabigboy at cox.net Thu Apr 5 22:03:07 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 22:03:07 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: <4F7DEB72.80909@rwaltman.com> Message-ID: <20120406010307.SB2HH.318045.imail@eastrmwml114> ---- Roberto Waltman wrote: > On 4/5/2012 2:39 PM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > > I'm pretty sure I can use PWM with the Arduino and skip having to make a DAC. > > PWM with a low pass filter *is* a DAC. Interesting, I assumed there was some more complex sort of magic involved that would yield a true analog signal...I had to look up "low pass filter". :) Looks nice and simple, actually! Although so far I don't think I'll need it, my flap indicator is moving smoothly and evenly with just straight PWM. Good to know for the future, though! Matt From fsim at rwaltman.com Fri Apr 6 11:21:54 2012 From: fsim at rwaltman.com (Roberto Waltman) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 14:21:54 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: <20120406010307.SB2HH.318045.imail@eastrmwml114> References: <20120406010307.SB2HH.318045.imail@eastrmwml114> Message-ID: <4F7F3442.4020706@rwaltman.com> On 4/6/2012 1:03 AM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > I had to look up "low pass filter". ... Although so far I don't think I'll need it, my flap indicator is moving smoothly and evenly with just straight PWM. Too late, you already have it. It is partially electrical, (the inductance of the coils in the core,) and partially mechanical (the combined inertia of all the moving parts.) -- Roberto Waltman From fsim at rwaltman.com Fri Apr 6 13:46:31 2012 From: fsim at rwaltman.com (Roberto Waltman) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 16:46:31 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Flightmatic sim in eBay Message-ID: <4F7F5627.20107@rwaltman.com> Just saw this - Way too expensive ... http://www.ebay.com/itm/251032623654/ -- Roberto Waltman From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Apr 6 15:57:13 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 15:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Flightmatic sim in eBay In-Reply-To: <4F7F5627.20107@rwaltman.com> References: <4F7F5627.20107@rwaltman.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Apr 2012, Roberto Waltman wrote: > > Just saw this - Way too expensive ... > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/251032623654/ > And I quote, "Bwahahahahahahahaha! *gasps* Bwahahahahahahhahaha! *gasps*" Ahem. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From dabigboy at cox.net Fri Apr 6 17:01:52 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 17:01:52 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Flightmatic sim in eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120406200152.E0KSX.287101.root@fed1rmwml105> ---- Gene Buckle wrote: > On Fri, 6 Apr 2012, Roberto Waltman wrote: > > > > > Just saw this - Way too expensive ... > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/251032623654/ > > > And I quote, "Bwahahahahahahahaha! *gasps* Bwahahahahahahhahaha! *gasps*" > > Ahem. Yep...ebay is a great place for a lot of stuff, but there are people who think their stuff is made of platinum or something. That's still not as bad as the guy who completely strips airframes, and sells EVERYTHING piece-meal (right down to doors and brackets and overhead air vents, all untagged, but usually for nearly-tagged prices) then tries to sell the completely gutted and damaged fuselages for $1,500 - $2,500+. Who's gonna buy that? Matt From dabigboy at cox.net Fri Apr 6 17:02:50 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 17:02:50 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Flightmatic sim in eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120406200250.BJ4LD.287114.root@fed1rmwml105> Also forgot to mention....that FlightMatic has been on and off ebay for a looooong time now. Matt From dabigboy at cox.net Fri Apr 6 17:05:05 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 17:05:05 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Common aviation gauges that are air-core? In-Reply-To: <4F7F3442.4020706@rwaltman.com> Message-ID: <20120406200505.IHXEV.287134.root@fed1rmwml105> ---- Roberto Waltman wrote: > On 4/6/2012 1:03 AM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > > I had to look up "low pass filter". ... Although so far I don't think I'll need it, my flap indicator is moving smoothly and evenly with just straight PWM. > > Too late, you already have it. > It is partially electrical, (the > inductance of the coils in the > core,) and partially mechanical > (the combined inertia of all > the moving parts.) Oh, nice.....so I am inadvertently making useful electronic devices now. Yay me! ;) Matt From fsim at rwaltman.com Sat Apr 7 08:06:10 2012 From: fsim at rwaltman.com (Roberto Waltman) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 11:06:10 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] More on PWM & filtering In-Reply-To: <20120406200505.IHXEV.287134.root@fed1rmwml105> References: <20120406200505.IHXEV.287134.root@fed1rmwml105> Message-ID: <4F8057E2.8010005@rwaltman.com> There is a nice tutorial here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaRDbw38x7Q Roberto Waltman From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 09:07:42 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 11:07:42 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] More on PWM & filtering In-Reply-To: <4F8057E2.8010005@rwaltman.com> References: <20120406200505.IHXEV.287134.root@fed1rmwml105> <4F8057E2.8010005@rwaltman.com> Message-ID: <4F80664E.7010708@gmail.com> On 4/7/2012 10:06 AM, Roberto Waltman wrote: > There is a nice tutorial here: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaRDbw38x7Q > > Roberto Waltman > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > really great tutorial!! Cris H. phoenixcomm.wordpress.com phoenixaerospace.us flite-tronics.com From dabigboy at cox.net Sat Apr 7 15:00:42 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 15:00:42 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] More on PWM & filtering In-Reply-To: <4F80664E.7010708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120407180042.HU8M3.270098.imail@fed1rmwml108> Thanks Roberto, good detailed tutorial! Matt ---- Cris Harrison wrote: > On 4/7/2012 10:06 AM, Roberto Waltman wrote: > > There is a nice tutorial here: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaRDbw38x7Q > > > > Roberto Waltman From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Apr 9 18:26:52 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 18:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] need displays... Message-ID: This is a long shot, but can someone point me to a reasonably priced source for KW-104S 7 segment incandescent displays? I need 8 of them and a decimal point display as well. tnx! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 9 18:31:57 2012 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 18:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] need displays... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1334021517.84928.YahooMailRC@web81601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gene, send me a picture of these. I believe I have some like that but not sure if they are the exact type/size you are looking for. They are sitting in my parts drawer and you are welcome to them if they will work for you. I won't ever use them. I'm at work right now so will have to wait to check on the part number for another couple hours before I get home. Jay ________________________________ From: Gene Buckle To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Sent: Mon, April 9, 2012 8:26:52 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] need displays... This is a long shot, but can someone point me to a reasonably priced source for KW-104S 7 segment incandescent displays? I need 8 of them and a decimal point display as well. tnx! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120409/20ea797e/attachment-0001.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Apr 9 18:50:48 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 18:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] need displays... In-Reply-To: <1334021517.84928.YahooMailRC@web81601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1334021517.84928.YahooMailRC@web81601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Joseph Fagner wrote: > Gene, send me a picture of these. I believe I have some like that but not sure > if they are the exact type/size you are looking for. They are sitting in my > parts drawer and you are welcome to them if they will work for you. I won't > ever use them. > Awesome Jay, thanks! Here's what the display assembly looks like http://www.geneb.org/images/7seg-disp1.jpg http://www.geneb.org/images/7seg-disp2.jpg http://www.geneb.org/images/7seg-disp3.jpg The way it's wired requires 9 7seg to bcd chips. It appears they way they built it was to glue in the pcb, then mount all the displays and then finally the 64 pin connector. I'd like to be able to use a single Maxim 7 segment driver chip with them, but I suspect it would take a week of work just to recover the parts from the board. :) The displays are about .300" high. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 9 19:08:53 2012 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] need displays... In-Reply-To: References: <1334021517.84928.YahooMailRC@web81601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1334023733.89229.YahooMailRC@web81605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So you just need the filament type 7 segs not that entire assembly, correct? I know I have that type of 7 seg at home. Just don't recall how many and what size they are but I'll be home in a little over an hour and I'll take a peak. Jay ________________________________ From: Gene Buckle To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List Sent: Mon, April 9, 2012 8:50:48 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] need displays... On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Joseph Fagner wrote: > Gene, send me a picture of these. I believe I have some like that but not sure > if they are the exact type/size you are looking for. They are sitting in my > parts drawer and you are welcome to them if they will work for you. I won't > ever use them. > Awesome Jay, thanks! Here's what the display assembly looks like http://www.geneb.org/images/7seg-disp1.jpg http://www.geneb.org/images/7seg-disp2.jpg http://www.geneb.org/images/7seg-disp3.jpg The way it's wired requires 9 7seg to bcd chips. It appears they way they built it was to glue in the pcb, then mount all the displays and then finally the 64 pin connector. I'd like to be able to use a single Maxim 7 segment driver chip with them, but I suspect it would take a week of work just to recover the parts from the board. :) The displays are about .300" high. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120409/d7fc03a2/attachment.html From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 9 21:48:12 2012 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:48:12 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] need displays... In-Reply-To: References: <1334021517.84928.YahooMailRC@web81601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006801cd16d5$22ec0270$68c40750$@sbcglobal.net> Bad news, I looked everywhere but can't find them. I'll keep looking. Jay Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones. --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 8:51 PM To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] need displays... On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Joseph Fagner wrote: > Gene, send me a picture of these. I believe I have some like that but > not sure if they are the exact type/size you are looking for. They > are sitting in my parts drawer and you are welcome to them if they > will work for you. I won't ever use them. > Awesome Jay, thanks! Here's what the display assembly looks like http://www.geneb.org/images/7seg-disp1.jpg http://www.geneb.org/images/7seg-disp2.jpg http://www.geneb.org/images/7seg-disp3.jpg The way it's wired requires 9 7seg to bcd chips. It appears they way they built it was to glue in the pcb, then mount all the displays and then finally the 64 pin connector. I'd like to be able to use a single Maxim 7 segment driver chip with them, but I suspect it would take a week of work just to recover the parts from the board. :) The displays are about .300" high. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From dabigboy at cox.net Mon Apr 9 21:59:40 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 21:59:40 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Just a quick update......... Message-ID: <20120410005940.48Q8O.293404.imail@fed1rmwml106> Had great success with the Tracor CDU retrofit/rebuild over the past couple days: http://www.flickr.com/photos/alfamatt/6917304812/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/alfamatt/6917304854/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/alfamatt/6917304856/in/photostream Annnd the current state of the sim! :-O http://www.flickr.com/photos/alfamatt/6917304890/in/photostream All that's left is to wire the keypad to a controller of some sort (which I already have traced and documented), and then actually write the CDU/FMS software. This is going very well. :) Matt From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 22:54:04 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:54:04 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] need displays... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F83CAFC.7050808@gmail.com> On 4/9/2012 8:26 PM, Gene Buckle wrote: > This is a long shot, but can someone point me to a reasonably priced > source for KW-104S 7 segment incandescent displays? I need 8 of them and > a decimal point display as well. > > tnx! > > g. > > -Gene, I have the following KW-104S, KW-104S-CL-TB, KW-104SDP-TB, KW-104S-AL I use them in my NAV head CP-1252/ASN-128 http://phoenixcomm.wordpress.com/projects/nav-cdu/ The 104 series runs on 4vdc and 15ma (max) any more and you pop them!! make sure that when you drive them to use a current limiting resistor in each segment.. also I was driving them with 74LS family but I lost some of them as TTL has a 5v rail. they have a .300" character height, x .155(7digit) .200(alpha)... You used to be able to find them on ebay.. I was lucky and I scored 3 CDU's the lamps are also called PinLite and they are manufactured by Wamco Lighting 714-545-5560.. Basicly Gene they are harder to find then hens teeth.. Good Luck, Cris H. phoenixcomm.wordpress.com phoenixaerospace.us flite-tronics.com From fsim at rwaltman.com Tue Apr 10 07:34:09 2012 From: fsim at rwaltman.com (Roberto Waltman) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:34:09 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Just a quick update......... In-Reply-To: <20120410005940.48Q8O.293404.imail@fed1rmwml106> References: <20120410005940.48Q8O.293404.imail@fed1rmwml106> Message-ID: <4F8444E1.4090108@rwaltman.com> dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > Annnd the current state of the sim! :-O > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/alfamatt/6917304890/in/photostream Nice design, gives you a good view of the runway on short final ... ;) -- Roberto Waltman From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Apr 10 08:43:11 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] need displays... In-Reply-To: <1334023733.89229.YahooMailRC@web81605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1334021517.84928.YahooMailRC@web81601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1334023733.89229.YahooMailRC@web81605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Joseph Fagner wrote: > So you just need the filament type 7 segs not that entire assembly, correct? > That's correct. I can machine a new bracket and have a PCB made in order to wire it the way that I need it. Here's a link to the data sheet that has the dimensions & pinouts of the part. http://www.datasheetarchive.com/KW-104S-L1-datasheet.html Thanks! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Apr 10 08:52:27 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] From the X-Plane list... Message-ID: Reply-To: x-plane-tech at yahoogroups.com To: x-plane-tech at yahoogroups.com Subject: [x-plane-tech] OT: Eye in the sky You are cordially dared not to have a flying dream tonight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d31fRb7JDGs Be sure to hit the full-screen button... g. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Apr 10 08:55:18 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] need displays... In-Reply-To: <006801cd16d5$22ec0270$68c40750$@sbcglobal.net> References: <1334021517.84928.YahooMailRC@web81601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <006801cd16d5$22ec0270$68c40750$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Joseph Fagner wrote: > Bad news, I looked everywhere but can't find them. I'll keep looking. > No problem Jay, thanks for taking the time to look! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From bjones at pipecomp.com.au Tue Apr 10 08:57:34 2012 From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:57:34 +0800 (WST) Subject: [simpits-tech] From the X-Plane list... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005301cd1732$a71f1c50$f55d54f0$@com.au> Ahh the last 20 seconds is a crackup ! Ben -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2012 11:52 PM To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] From the X-Plane list... Reply-To: x-plane-tech at yahoogroups.com To: x-plane-tech at yahoogroups.com Subject: [x-plane-tech] OT: Eye in the sky You are cordially dared not to have a flying dream tonight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d31fRb7JDGs Be sure to hit the full-screen button... g. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Apr 10 09:06:23 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:06:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Just a quick update......... In-Reply-To: <20120410005940.48Q8O.293404.imail@fed1rmwml106> References: <20120410005940.48Q8O.293404.imail@fed1rmwml106> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > Had great success with the Tracor CDU retrofit/rebuild over the past > couple days: > Very nice Matt! What sized LCD are you using in there? If you can wait, you could use a Raspberry Pi board with the GPIO breakout board to run that whole thing.... g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Apr 10 09:22:46 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] need displays... In-Reply-To: <4F83CAFC.7050808@gmail.com> References: <4F83CAFC.7050808@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Apr 2012, Cris Harrison wrote: > I have the following KW-104S, KW-104S-CL-TB, KW-104SDP-TB, KW-104S-AL I > use them in my NAV head > CP-1252/ASN-128 http://phoenixcomm.wordpress.com/projects/nav-cdu/ The > 104 series runs on 4vdc and 15ma (max) any more and you pop them!! make > sure that when you drive them to use a current limiting resistor in each > segment.. also I was driving them with 74LS family but I lost some of > them as TTL has a 5v rail. > they have a .300" character height, x .155(7digit) .200(alpha)... You > used to be able to find them on ebay.. I was lucky and I scored 3 CDU's > the lamps are also called PinLite and they are manufactured by Wamco > Lighting 714-545-5560.. > > Basicly Gene they are harder to find then hens teeth.. > They're not hard to find, they're hard to *buy*. Best price I've seen is $110 *each*. I've got a full set of working displays that I can use by essentially duplicating the circuit that the VHF radio uses to drive them (9 CD4511B bcd to 7seg decoders) but it would be nice if I could just reconstruct the assembly and use a single Maxim 7 segment driver. It would keep the board cost down. (WAAAY down - 9 16 pin chips eat a ton of real estate) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From dabigboy at cox.net Tue Apr 10 16:52:27 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:52:27 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Just a quick update......... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120410195227.DDB83.299200.imail@fed1rmwml213> ---- Gene Buckle wrote: > On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > > > Had great success with the Tracor CDU retrofit/rebuild over the past > > couple days: > > > Very nice Matt! What sized LCD are you using in there? > > If you can wait, you could use a Raspberry Pi board with the GPIO breakout > board to run that whole thing.... Had a stroke of luck on sourcing a screen.........the original CRT is a lovely 3" unit which doesn't seem to match up to anything (I looked up portable TVs, security monitors, etc, I really wanted to use another CRT for its true-black'ness in a dark cockpit). I ran across a "Citizen" brand LCD on ebay for $25 out of an ex-cop car, which just happened to be "about" 3". As it turns out, it's a little too small for the Tracor, but it's close. I had to completely dissect the screen to modify the diffuser, reposition the backlight, and even remove some glass from the LCD screen itself (!!!!) to make it fit. The clear/blank area of the LCD glass is blacked out with electrical tape, but I have a piece of clear plastic in front of the works to maintain a smooth front (and to protect the LCD glass). It's a pretty old, low-quality screen, but as I am going to just be doing a black screen with green text, it should look fine. I do have a PI on pre-order, but it looks like it's going to be at least August before I get it.........but yes, I had the same thought. With good graphics support and built-in composite/RCA video output, it's a natural! Will probably go ahead and write the software, then port it to the PI (since I'm using all Linux here anyway). Matt From dabigboy at cox.net Tue Apr 10 17:12:53 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:12:53 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Just a quick update......... In-Reply-To: <4F8444E1.4090108@rwaltman.com> Message-ID: <20120410201253.WBPW3.299465.imail@fed1rmwml213> ---- Roberto Waltman wrote: > dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > > > Annnd the current state of the sim! :-O > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/alfamatt/6917304890/in/photostream > > Nice design, gives you a good view of the runway on short final ... ;) Hehe, that's the new VFR model! Matt From fsim at rwaltman.com Tue Apr 10 17:57:43 2012 From: fsim at rwaltman.com (Roberto Waltman) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:57:43 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: <20120410195227.DDB83.299200.imail@fed1rmwml213> References: <20120410195227.DDB83.299200.imail@fed1rmwml213> Message-ID: <4F84D707.7080706@rwaltman.com> dabigboy at cox.net wrote: ... the original CRT is a lovely 3" unit which doesn't seem to match up to anything There are a few 2 point something and 3" rectangular CRT's here: http://www.sphere.bc.ca/test/crts2.html The rest of that site is worth exploring. Roberto Waltman From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Apr 10 18:01:46 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: <4F84D707.7080706@rwaltman.com> References: <20120410195227.DDB83.299200.imail@fed1rmwml213> <4F84D707.7080706@rwaltman.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Apr 2012, Roberto Waltman wrote: > dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > ... the original CRT is a lovely 3" unit which doesn't seem > to match up to anything > > There are a few 2 point something and 3" rectangular CRT's here: > > http://www.sphere.bc.ca/test/crts2.html > > The rest of that site is worth exploring. > Oh hell yes. That whole site has got more goodies than anyone has a right to have. :) I just wish they had more 4" round CRTs... g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 20:27:51 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 22:27:51 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: References: <20120410195227.DDB83.299200.imail@fed1rmwml213> <4F84D707.7080706@rwaltman.com> Message-ID: <4F84FA37.8030804@gmail.com> On 4/10/2012 8:01 PM, Gene Buckle wrote: > On Tue, 10 Apr 2012, Roberto Waltman wrote: > >> dabigboy at cox.net wrote: >> ... the original CRT is a lovely 3" unit which doesn't seem >> to match up to anything >> >> There are a few 2 point something and 3" rectangular CRT's here: >> >> http://www.sphere.bc.ca/test/crts2.html >> >> The rest of that site is worth exploring. >> > Oh hell yes. That whole site has got more goodies than anyone has a right > to have. :) I just wish they had more 4" round CRTs... > > g. > Cool Stuff, Cool Site Cris H. From dabigboy at cox.net Tue Apr 10 20:57:42 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:57:42 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: <4F84FA37.8030804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120410235742.H0JGA.388301.imail@eastrmwml301> Thanks for the link, looks interesting. Actually the original CRT tube probably still works, I just have no idea how to power or drive it, so I went the "easy" (HAH!) route. I would love to run the original 3" CRT, but I'm afraid such a feat is far beyond my meager electronics skills. Matt From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 23:03:10 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 01:03:10 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] need displays... In-Reply-To: References: <4F83CAFC.7050808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F851E9E.8030506@gmail.com> On 4/10/2012 11:22 AM, Gene Buckle wrote: > On Tue, 10 Apr 2012, Cris Harrison wrote: > >> I have the following KW-104S, KW-104S-CL-TB, KW-104SDP-TB, KW-104S-AL I >> use them in my NAV head >> CP-1252/ASN-128 http://phoenixcomm.wordpress.com/projects/nav-cdu/ The >> 104 series runs on 4vdc and 15ma (max) any more and you pop them!! make >> sure that when you drive them to use a current limiting resistor in each >> segment.. also I was driving them with 74LS family but I lost some of >> them as TTL has a 5v rail. >> they have a .300" character height, x .155(7digit) .200(alpha)... You >> used to be able to find them on ebay.. I was lucky and I scored 3 CDU's >> the lamps are also called PinLite and they are manufactured by Wamco >> Lighting 714-545-5560.. >> >> Basicly Gene they are harder to find then hens teeth.. >> > They're not hard to find, they're hard to *buy*. Best price I've seen is > $110 *each*. I've got a full set of working displays that I can use by > essentially duplicating the circuit that the VHF radio uses to drive them > (9 CD4511B bcd to 7seg decoders) but it would be nice if I could just > reconstruct the assembly and use a single Maxim 7 segment driver. It > would keep the board cost down. (WAAAY down - 9 16 pin chips eat a ton of > real estate) > > g. > you should look at the MAX6955 (I2C) or MAX6954 (SPI) plus they can also take care of your keyboard as well. I have played with them.. (you can get them as samples from maxim) the programing is a pain.. there are a boat load of config registers.. but there is a white paper.. and a on line config builder to take the pain away. I was driving them from an arduino.. for my NAV head.. and talk about the wire LOL. 4 of the Alphas (16 seg) and 13 more Numeric (7 segs) = 155 segments + 17 commons or about 172 wires what a mess.. and no room. The box was originally used in a sim and had all the pins coming out the rear of the unit. right now Im using a ps2 keyboard encoder (a old keyboard gave up its guts) it was easier, and it got there first (I hate re-inventing the wheel), plus its almost a no brainer.. Cris H. From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 08:22:31 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:22:31 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: <20120410235742.H0JGA.388301.imail@eastrmwml301> References: <20120410235742.H0JGA.388301.imail@eastrmwml301> Message-ID: <4F85A1B7.4090401@gmail.com> On 4/10/2012 10:57 PM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > Thanks for the link, looks interesting. Actually the original CRT tube probably still works, I just have no idea how to power or drive it, so I went the "easy" (HAH!) route. I would love to run the original 3" CRT, but I'm afraid such a feat is far beyond my meager electronics skills. > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > that would have be a hell of a project.. probably easier to get the one in the box to work.. all the deflection amps are there and most likely the HV power supply as well but you would have need the schematic or a pin-out as a starting point. But if I remember you have an OLD Tracor unit.. I looked for info on the web an found zilch, nada, zip, Just the crap on ebay, so it would have been a huge challenge. For all you Facebook users.. I have put up a new page for DIY Flight Simulator, as there was only one very cruddy page for Flight Simulators and has never been updated.. So you can check it out. http://www.facebook.com/DiyFightSimulator enjoy Cris H. phoenixcomm.wordpress.com From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 09:49:04 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:49:04 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: <20120410235742.H0JGA.388301.imail@eastrmwml301> References: <20120410235742.H0JGA.388301.imail@eastrmwml301> Message-ID: <4F85B600.8000109@gmail.com> On 4/10/2012 10:57 PM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > Thanks for the link, looks interesting. Actually the original CRT tube probably still works, I just have no idea how to power or drive it, so I went the "easy" (HAH!) route. I would love to run the original 3" CRT, but I'm afraid such a feat is far beyond my meager electronics skills. > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > Matt I saw the working LCD nice.. for your keyboard dont re-invent the wheel.. a ps2 keyboard (downer) with the cable then a ps2 extension cable for your socket or rip one off a old dead motherboard, works really well. Check out my blog: http://phoenixcomm.wordpress.com/category/ps2-keybaord/ there is a nice step by step tutorial here: http://www.instructables.com/id/Hacking-a-USB-Keyboard/ one note ps2 keyboard is a snap if you use usb you will need a USB shield, because you cant use the usb that goes to your host (wont work) then write a little lookup table and assign the keys: you have the full alpha A-Z (but there shifted). so use un-shifted first something like this: /keyboardscanner(){ enum skeys { MSG, ALPHA, CLR, ENTER } //then the rest is a snap.. just use alpha keys but your going to have to change them a little raw = getchar(); // get first char switch( raw ) { case MSG: //do something case ALPHA: { alpha_flag = 1; //shifts keybord for one char. raw = getchar(); decodedchar = decoder( raw, alpha_flag ) // send off the char alpha_flag = 0; // reset flag } case CLR: // press once: clear last char or press twice: clear msg. case ENTER: // does what it says.. no code. default: { alpha_flag = 0; //make sure that the flag is reset decodedchar = decoder( raw, alpha_flag ) // send off the char }}} char decoder( char raw, int alpha_flag ){ // build a 2 dim lookup table (array) ie.. something in.. something else out.. LOL char keys[4][28]; //to make it simple do it in two passes.. keys[0] = { unshifted keys} keys[1] = { shifted keys } keys[2] = {outputed un-shifted keys } keys[3] = {outputed shifted keys } for( int n = 0; n < 29; n++ ){ if( raw = keys[ alpha_flag][n] ) { return keys[ alpha_flag + 2 ][n]; } // error recovery ? return -1; } / BTW there is a ps2 keyboard libary.. in the playground: http://www.arduino.cc/playground/Main/PS2Keyboard I have mine hooked up on a prototype shield (btw or maybe a gotcha? the cheep proto shields on ebay ARE NOT STACKABLE!! beware!!!! hopes this all helps just a little Cris H. phoenixcomm.wordpress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120411/0605222f/attachment.html From dabigboy at cox.net Wed Apr 11 23:28:02 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:28:02 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: <4F85A1B7.4090401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120412022802.TGFO3.321614.imail@fed1rmwml214> ---- Cris Harrison wrote: > > > that would have be a hell of a project.. probably easier to get the one > in the box to work.. all the deflection amps are there and most likely > the HV power supply as well but you would have need the schematic or a > pin-out as a starting point. But if I remember you have an OLD Tracor > unit.. I looked for info on the web an found zilch, nada, zip, Just the > crap on ebay, so it would have been a huge challenge. Yep, I've had zero luck contacting anyone at BAE (who absorbed Tracor) or finding any docs on this thing. But it's ok, the LCD should work well enough. It is an old CDU, but it's a purdy one, and the keypad has proven to be pretty straightforward, so I feel lucky to have come across it...especially for so cheap! Matt From dabigboy at cox.net Wed Apr 11 23:42:05 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:42:05 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: <4F85B600.8000109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120412024205.3Q273.321663.imail@fed1rmwml214> ---- Cris Harrison wrote: > > Matt > I saw the working LCD nice.. for your keyboard dont re-invent the > wheel.. a ps2 keyboard (downer) with the cable then a ps2 extension > cable for your socket or rip one off a old dead motherboard, works > really well. Check out my blog: > http://phoenixcomm.wordpress.com/category/ps2-keybaord/ > there is a nice step by step tutorial here: Cris, you are a wealth of info. :) Thanks for the tips and code snippets, actually I have a couple of encoders out of old junked keyboards that I have been saving literally for YEARS, knowing that someday, somehow, I could use them in my sim....see, it pays to not throw stuff away! ;) I'm actually going to be plugging directly into the PC itself, not the Arduino...my FMS software will be using Pygame (basically, SDL) on a host PC for now, probably switch to the Raspberry Pi once it arrives in another decade or so. :) It's going to save me a lot of work vs trying to make the Arduino do all the things the PC can already do handily. Pygame can do simple text, dots, and lines, which is sufficient for the old-school FMS and allows me to use an old cheap/free PC for now (actually Pygame/SDL can do all sorts of graphical stuff, including rendering full images, but if I need to do that it's usually simpler and quicker to just go straight to OpenGL and get better performance and features). I am curious about using a PS2 keyboard directly with the Arduino, it sounds like it's pretty straightforward. I may look into that later on for other projects on the sim. Matt From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 08:05:30 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:05:30 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: <20120412024205.3Q273.321663.imail@fed1rmwml214> References: <20120412024205.3Q273.321663.imail@fed1rmwml214> Message-ID: <4F86EF3A.2030502@gmail.com> On 4/12/2012 1:42 AM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > ---- Cris Harrison wrote: >> Matt >> I saw the working LCD nice.. for your keyboard dont re-invent the >> wheel.. a ps2 keyboard (downer) with the cable then a ps2 extension >> cable for your socket or rip one off a old dead motherboard, works >> really well. Check out my blog: >> http://phoenixcomm.wordpress.com/category/ps2-keybaord/ >> there is a nice step by step tutorial here: > Cris, you are a wealth of info. :) Thanks for the tips and code snippets, actually I have a couple of encoders out of old junked keyboards that I have been saving literally for YEARS, knowing that someday, somehow, I could use them in my sim....see, it pays to not throw stuff away! ;) > > I'm actually going to be plugging directly into the PC itself, not the Arduino...my FMS software will be using Pygame (basically, SDL) on a host PC for now, probably switch to the Raspberry Pi once it arrives in another decade or so. :) It's going to save me a lot of work vs trying to make the Arduino do all the things the PC can already do handily. Pygame can do simple text, dots, and lines, which is sufficient for the old-school FMS and allows me to use an old cheap/free PC for now (actually Pygame/SDL can do all sorts of graphical stuff, including rendering full images, but if I need to do that it's usually simpler and quicker to just go straight to OpenGL and get better performance and features). > > I am curious about using a PS2 keyboard directly with the Arduino, it sounds like it's pretty straightforward. I may look into that later on for other projects on the sim. > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > shit man your going to tie up the pc with keyboard shit.. ok .. did you look at the 2 articles about using your keyboard?? put the keybaord on the arduino.. and LEARN C eclipse and gcc (gnu) c complier.. FASTER much CHEAPER beter CODE and make your little pc a Linux box (try linuxmint) and instead of 28 searchs i can do it 5 with a Binary Search... start in the middle so it would be 14 (half of 28) test says is it higher or lower or equal.. but you will have to weight the table (sort) first.. Cris H. btw did you ever get to my repository.. www.phoenixaerospace.us/downloads/nexgen ltr From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 08:17:41 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:17:41 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: <20120412024205.3Q273.321663.imail@fed1rmwml214> References: <20120412024205.3Q273.321663.imail@fed1rmwml214> Message-ID: <4F86F215.6050505@gmail.com> On 4/12/2012 1:42 AM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > ---- Cris Harrison wrote: >> Matt >> I saw the working LCD nice.. for your keyboard dont re-invent the >> wheel.. a ps2 keyboard (downer) with the cable then a ps2 extension >> cable for your socket or rip one off a old dead motherboard, works >> really well. Check out my blog: >> http://phoenixcomm.wordpress.com/category/ps2-keybaord/ >> there is a nice step by step tutorial here: > Cris, you are a wealth of info. :) Thanks for the tips and code snippets, actually I have a couple of encoders out of old junked keyboards that I have been saving literally for YEARS, knowing that someday, somehow, I could use them in my sim....see, it pays to not throw stuff away! ;) > > I'm actually going to be plugging directly into the PC itself, not the Arduino...my FMS software will be using Pygame (basically, SDL) on a host PC for now, probably switch to the Raspberry Pi once it arrives in another decade or so. :) It's going to save me a lot of work vs trying to make the Arduino do all the things the PC can already do handily. Pygame can do simple text, dots, and lines, which is sufficient for the old-school FMS and allows me to use an old cheap/free PC for now (actually Pygame/SDL can do all sorts of graphical stuff, including rendering full images, but if I need to do that it's usually simpler and quicker to just go straight to OpenGL and get better performance and features). > > I am curious about using a PS2 keyboard directly with the Arduino, it sounds like it's pretty straightforward. I may look into that later on for other projects on the sim. > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > > *int* binary_search(*int* a[],*int* low,*int* high,*int* target) *{* > *while* (low <= high) *{* > *int* middle = low + (high - low)/2; > *if* (target < a[middle]) > high = middle - 1; > *else* *if* (target > a[middle]) > low = middle + 1; > *else* > *return* middle; > *}* > *return* -1; > *}* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120412/588b52ab/attachment-0001.html From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 08:20:09 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:20:09 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: <20120412022802.TGFO3.321614.imail@fed1rmwml214> References: <20120412022802.TGFO3.321614.imail@fed1rmwml214> Message-ID: <4F86F2A9.9080405@gmail.com> On 4/12/2012 1:28 AM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > ---- Cris Harrison wrote: >> that would have be a hell of a project.. probably easier to get the one >> in the box to work.. all the deflection amps are there and most likely >> the HV power supply as well but you would have need the schematic or a >> pin-out as a starting point. But if I remember you have an OLD Tracor >> unit.. I looked for info on the web an found zilch, nada, zip, Just the >> crap on ebay, so it would have been a huge challenge. > Yep, I've had zero luck contacting anyone at BAE (who absorbed Tracor) or finding any docs on this thing. But it's ok, the LCD should work well enough. It is an old CDU, but it's a purdy one, and the keypad has proven to be pretty straightforward, so I feel lucky to have come across it...especially for so cheap! > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > dont pass the array a[] make it a global.. or just if this is custom a built in.. From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 08:23:45 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:23:45 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: <20120412022802.TGFO3.321614.imail@fed1rmwml214> References: <20120412022802.TGFO3.321614.imail@fed1rmwml214> Message-ID: <4F86F381.5030101@gmail.com> On 4/12/2012 1:28 AM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > ---- Cris Harrison wrote: >> that would have be a hell of a project.. probably easier to get the one >> in the box to work.. all the deflection amps are there and most likely >> the HV power supply as well but you would have need the schematic or a >> pin-out as a starting point. But if I remember you have an OLD Tracor >> unit.. I looked for info on the web an found zilch, nada, zip, Just the >> crap on ebay, so it would have been a huge challenge. > Yep, I've had zero luck contacting anyone at BAE (who absorbed Tracor) or finding any docs on this thing. But it's ok, the LCD should work well enough. It is an old CDU, but it's a purdy one, and the keypad has proven to be pretty straightforward, so I feel lucky to have come across it...especially for so cheap! > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > but with this technique.. my array in the code i sent was keys[4][28] with a binary search.. you could put all of the return values in a keys[2][56] where 0 is both shift and unshifted and 1 is the value you return.. you can search this in 8 trys! From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Apr 12 09:00:14 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: <20120412024205.3Q273.321663.imail@fed1rmwml214> References: <20120412024205.3Q273.321663.imail@fed1rmwml214> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Apr 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > > I am curious about using a PS2 keyboard directly with the Arduino, it > sounds like it's pretty straightforward. I may look into that later on > for other projects on the sim. Just be aware that a pc keyboard does not use a diode isolated switch matrix, so you'll only be able to hold 3 or 4 "keys" down at once before the keyboard stops responding to inputs. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From dabigboy at cox.net Thu Apr 12 16:52:09 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:52:09 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120412195209.2F7DR.331573.imail@fed1rmwml206> ---- Gene Buckle wrote: > > Just be aware that a pc keyboard does not use a diode isolated switch > matrix, so you'll only be able to hold 3 or 4 "keys" down at once before > the keyboard stops responding to inputs. Yep, I'd noticed that. That's why I've only ever considered it for the FMS or another keypad'ish task, where I will probably never be pressing more than one button at a time. I do seem to recall coming across some USB keyboards recently that could handle a ton of inputs at once, have you noticed this? I'll have to check the one on my radar PC next time I fire it up. Matt From dabigboy at cox.net Thu Apr 12 16:58:43 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:58:43 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: <4F86EF3A.2030502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120412195843.EM5XZ.331657.imail@fed1rmwml206> ---- Cris Harrison wrote: > > > shit man your going to tie up the pc with keyboard shit.. ok .. > did you look at the 2 articles about using your keyboard?? Sure did.....great resources and I do understand it (I think). But I'm using an entire PC just for the FMS anyway, there are no other keyboard inputs to worry about. Sooo, might as well use them and save my $30 Arduino for something else. :) > and instead of 28 searchs i can do it 5 with a Binary Search... > start in the middle so it would be 14 (half of 28) > test says is it higher or lower or equal.. > but you will have to weight the table (sort) first.. > Cris H. > btw did you ever get to my repository.. > www.phoenixaerospace.us/downloads/nexgen I don't think I got that link before, thank you! Now I gotta go get the login info from your other email. :) Matt From fsim at rwaltman.com Thu Apr 12 18:04:27 2012 From: fsim at rwaltman.com (Roberto Waltman) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 21:04:27 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: <20120412195209.2F7DR.331573.imail@fed1rmwml206> References: <20120412195209.2F7DR.331573.imail@fed1rmwml206> Message-ID: <4F877B9B.5010304@rwaltman.com> dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > I do seem to recall coming across some USB keyboards recently that could handle a ton of inputs at once, have you noticed this? I'll have to check the one on my radar PC next time I fire it up. The key phrase (pun intended) is "N-Key-Rollover". So, a 4-key rollover keyboard can detect 4 simultaneous presses, and so on. -- Roberto Waltman From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 22:09:28 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 00:09:28 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: <20120412024205.3Q273.321663.imail@fed1rmwml214> References: <20120412024205.3Q273.321663.imail@fed1rmwml214> Message-ID: <4F87B508.2090608@gmail.com> On 4/12/2012 1:42 AM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > ---- Cris Harrison wrote: >> Matt >> I saw the working LCD nice.. for your keyboard dont re-invent the >> wheel.. a ps2 keyboard (downer) with the cable then a ps2 extension >> cable for your socket or rip one off a old dead motherboard, works >> really well. Check out my blog: >> http://phoenixcomm.wordpress.com/category/ps2-keybaord/ >> there is a nice step by step tutorial here: > Cris, you are a wealth of info. :) Thanks for the tips and code snippets, actually I have a couple of encoders out of old junked keyboards that I have been saving literally for YEARS, knowing that someday, somehow, I could use them in my sim....see, it pays to not throw stuff away! ;) > > I'm actually going to be plugging directly into the PC itself, not the Arduino...my FMS software will be using Pygame (basically, SDL) on a host PC for now, probably switch to the Raspberry Pi once it arrives in another decade or so. :) It's going to save me a lot of work vs trying to make the Arduino do all the things the PC can already do handily. Pygame can do simple text, dots, and lines, which is sufficient for the old-school FMS and allows me to use an old cheap/free PC for now (actually Pygame/SDL can do all sorts of graphical stuff, including rendering full images, but if I need to do that it's usually simpler and quicker to just go straight to OpenGL and get better performance and features). > > I am curious about using a PS2 keyboard directly with the Arduino, it sounds like it's pretty straightforward. I may look into that later on for other projects on the sim. > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > ok your not thinking... 1. how are you going to debug this beast.. with out the pc's keyboard? 2. arduio(s) are cheep! 3. If you hackerize a old keyboard.. the ps2 is better as you dont have to buy the USB Shield!! 4. also this way you are dealing with your program no system calls!! 5. since its a ps2 keyboard on the arduino you can work on two fronts at once.. a. you can plug in a regular ps2 keyboard to make shure your software is right. b. you can double check your hackerize keyboard incase of a misswire.. Cris From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Apr 13 08:25:16 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: <20120412195209.2F7DR.331573.imail@fed1rmwml206> References: <20120412195209.2F7DR.331573.imail@fed1rmwml206> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Apr 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > > ---- Gene Buckle wrote: >> >> Just be aware that a pc keyboard does not use a diode isolated switch >> matrix, so you'll only be able to hold 3 or 4 "keys" down at once before >> the keyboard stops responding to inputs. > > Yep, I'd noticed that. That's why I've only ever considered it for the > FMS or another keypad'ish task, where I will probably never be pressing > more than one button at a time. > You can add diodes yourself like so: http://www.geneb.org/ematrix.png This is for the EPIC input matrix, but it would be essentially the same schematic for hacking a keyboard matrix. Once you identify the row & column lines it's easy. Alternately, you could just grab an Arduino and a Centipede Shield and skip the whole keyboard mess to begin with. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 12:33:12 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:33:12 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: References: <20120412195209.2F7DR.331573.imail@fed1rmwml206> Message-ID: <4F887F78.9090405@gmail.com> On 4/13/2012 10:25 AM, Gene Buckle wrote: > On Thu, 12 Apr 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > >> ---- Gene Buckle wrote: >>> Just be aware that a pc keyboard does not use a diode isolated switch >>> matrix, so you'll only be able to hold 3 or 4 "keys" down at once before >>> the keyboard stops responding to inputs. >> Yep, I'd noticed that. That's why I've only ever considered it for the >> FMS or another keypad'ish task, where I will probably never be pressing >> more than one button at a time. >> > You can add diodes yourself like so: > http://www.geneb.org/ematrix.png > > This is for the EPIC input matrix, but it would be essentially the same > schematic for hacking a keyboard matrix. Once you identify the row& > column lines it's easy. > > Alternately, you could just grab an Arduino and a Centipede Shield and > skip the whole keyboard mess to begin with. :) > > g. > > gene.. I like your position but its a white herring.. On most avionics keyboards you cant get an N rollover problem.. with you idea about using a matrix, is ok but you need either hardware (with out the arduino, just some counters, and a timer) or you do it in software... did you look at Matt's CDU no room to get N-rollover.. arduino is almost plug and play.. + you get the pc's keyboard for debug and running the pc.. Enjoy the dark side.. Cris H. From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Apr 13 13:21:29 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: <4F887F78.9090405@gmail.com> References: <20120412195209.2F7DR.331573.imail@fed1rmwml206> <4F887F78.9090405@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012, Cris Harrison wrote: > On 4/13/2012 10:25 AM, Gene Buckle wrote: >> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: >> >>> ---- Gene Buckle wrote: >>>> Just be aware that a pc keyboard does not use a diode isolated switch >>>> matrix, so you'll only be able to hold 3 or 4 "keys" down at once before >>>> the keyboard stops responding to inputs. >>> Yep, I'd noticed that. That's why I've only ever considered it for the >>> FMS or another keypad'ish task, where I will probably never be pressing >>> more than one button at a time. >>> >> You can add diodes yourself like so: >> http://www.geneb.org/ematrix.png >> >> This is for the EPIC input matrix, but it would be essentially the same >> schematic for hacking a keyboard matrix. Once you identify the row& >> column lines it's easy. >> >> Alternately, you could just grab an Arduino and a Centipede Shield and >> skip the whole keyboard mess to begin with. :) >> >> g. >> >> > gene.. I like your position but its a white herring.. On most avionics I would strongly suggest you not try to teach your grandmother how to steal sheep. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From dabigboy at cox.net Fri Apr 13 16:46:01 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:46:01 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: <4F87B508.2090608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120413194601.8M62Q.343388.imail@fed1rmwml206> ---- Cris Harrison wrote: > > > ok your not thinking... > 1. how are you going to debug this beast.. with out the pc's keyboard? > 2. arduio(s) are cheep! > 3. If you hackerize a old keyboard.. the ps2 is better as you dont have > to buy the USB Shield!! > 4. also this way you are dealing with your program no system calls!! > 5. since its a ps2 keyboard on the arduino you can work on two fronts at > once.. > a. you can plug in a regular ps2 keyboard to make shure your software is > right. > b. you can double check your hackerize keyboard incase of a misswire.. > Cris Well, I'm not worried about wiring that much, in fact I technically don't even have to *care* what button goes to what key assignment, so long as each Tracor button is wired to a valid row/column assignment on the PS/2 board (some combinations are unused and yield no keystroke). From there I just press each button on the Tracor and see what keystroke results, and program my FMS app accordingly. Remember the games where you select a game function and press whatever key you want for that function/command? I actually already wrote my own code to do exactly that for a game I made years ago....while I obviously won't be implementing this code into the CDU, the concept is simple enough, and is something I'm familiar with. Nearly all of my dev work on the sim is done from just one Linux PC, which is connected over the net to the other machines (Samba fileshares for deploying code, and SSH for whatever minor tweaks or local commands are needed per PC), so I shouldn't ever need to even hook a regular keyboard into the CDU. But if I do, I can just use a USB keyboard. Matt From dabigboy at cox.net Fri Apr 13 17:01:18 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:01:18 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Small CRTs (Was: Just a quick update.........) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120413200119.1HY7T.343542.imail@fed1rmwml206> ---- Gene Buckle wrote: > > This is for the EPIC input matrix, but it would be essentially the same > schematic for hacking a keyboard matrix. Once you identify the row & > column lines it's easy. I've actually done something similar for the "little" Leo Bodnar board to get 30+ inputs out of the 12 pin model, but the rows and columns are of course clearly documented. I "decoded" my PS/2 encoder last night. It has one small connector of pins (8 of them) and one large connector....I've made the assumption that these corresponded to rows and columns. After documenting most of the keyboard inputs, I started organizing them in a spreadsheet. Now it's entirely possible I've misidentified which pins should be considered part of a row and which ones are part of a column, but I reached a point where a few of the inputs I documented would conflict with other assignments if I were to wire them up to the CDU. In other words, both connections of a few of the inputs I documented occurred entirely within a row or column. But I did get enough combinations documented to handle all the buttons on the CDU except 3 (I will sacrifice "ON/OFF", "BRT", and "DIM"). The main problem is that the CDU itself uses a matrix, and it's not much similar to the keyboard. Even with diodes, it appears I would at some point activate more than one input with a single button press (with the conflict occurring on the CDU sidel). The situation is no doubt complicated by the fact that I don't have docs for either the CDU or the keyboard, so both matrices are just the best I could figure out and may not be exactly right....I have a sneaky suspicion that if I fully wrapped my head around the CDU's keypad matrix, life would be easier. > Alternately, you could just grab an Arduino and a Centipede Shield and > skip the whole keyboard mess to begin with. :) True that....the Centipede is on my to-buy list, and I've got your output board for the Centipede downloaded in case I decide to have one made for myself. :) Matt From dabigboy at cox.net Fri Apr 13 17:20:12 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:20:12 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] ADF update (again) GOOD NEWS! Message-ID: <20120413202012.4FVBJ.343680.imail@fed1rmwml206> Amazing.....I emailed Honeywell last week on the off-chance that someone might provide me with some info on the King ADF indicator I showed you guys. Tonight I received a *detailed* email discussing the operating principle of the indicator and the optional secondary azimuth card, PLUS a nice schematic for the entire unit! I'm almost dumbfounded that someone at a big outfit like Honeywell would bother to hunt down a schematic for an ADF indicator from 1969 AND take the time to explain to me how it works! As it turns out, there is no synchro involved here. The little "can" is just a 12v motor, and the big one (the goniometer) is what reads needle position. The only thing I'm worried about is the motor says "175hz" on it, which leads me to believe it requires A/C? It has five wires coming out of it. The motor sure looks like an A/C motor from the schematic. So I guess basically, it's a really complex but primitive servo. :) Matt From dabigboy at cox.net Sat Apr 14 10:48:26 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 10:48:26 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Throttle pedestal Message-ID: <20120414134826.NS74S.425077.imail@eastrmwml108> Not for me, but this could be gold for some of you heavy metal guys out there: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Boeing-727-Throttle-Quadrant-Control-Pedestal-Cockpit-Flight-Simulator-/300693656867 Still looking for a light twin/turboprop throttle quadrant for my sim.......I missed out on a nice looking Cessna 310 unit that I chickened out on and got outbid on. All I've found on ebay recently are VERY old and crappy Piper or Cessna units with faceplates, handles, etc missing that people want $300++ for. Crazy!!! I understand wanting good money for your stuff, but I don't see any sense in putting a stupid high price on something and parking it on ebay for literally months on end........ Matt From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 13:07:55 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:07:55 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] ADF update (again) GOOD NEWS! In-Reply-To: <20120413202012.4FVBJ.343680.imail@fed1rmwml206> References: <20120413202012.4FVBJ.343680.imail@fed1rmwml206> Message-ID: <4F89D91B.3060107@gmail.com> On 4/13/2012 7:20 PM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > Amazing.....I emailed Honeywell last week on the off-chance that someone might provide me with some info on the King ADF indicator I showed you guys. Tonight I received a *detailed* email discussing the operating principle of the indicator and the optional secondary azimuth card, PLUS a nice schematic for the entire unit! I'm almost dumbfounded that someone at a big outfit like Honeywell would bother to hunt down a schematic for an ADF indicator from 1969 AND take the time to explain to me how it works! > > As it turns out, there is no synchro involved here. The little "can" is just a 12v motor, and the big one (the goniometer) is what reads needle position. The only thing I'm worried about is the motor says "175hz" on it, which leads me to believe it requires A/C? It has five wires coming out of it. The motor sure looks like an A/C motor from the schematic. > > So I guess basically, it's a really complex but primitive servo. :) > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > please send me the info on the unit and it will go into the Libray!! Cris. H From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com Sun Apr 15 16:33:37 2012 From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:33:37 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... Message-ID: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A09@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> I'm looking for a sound effect, which is used in the A-4 for the altitude alert, as well as the RWR. It's a two-tone deedle deedle deedle sound, and I think it's been used in the movies ("Flight of the Intruder" I think) I have some HUD tapes which have the sound, but it's not clean enough to rip it... At the moment I'm using the "Altitude Altitude" warning from Falcon 4 :-) Any ideas where I could find the sound? Or even a sim which has the right sound I can .. err.. "borrow"? I've looked through Falcon 4 and Janes F-15, but haven't found it yet... SeanG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120416/97b728e4/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Apr 15 18:02:55 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... In-Reply-To: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A09@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A09@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Apr 2012, Sean Galbraith wrote: > I'm looking for a sound effect, which is used in the A-4 for the > altitude alert, as well as the RWR. It's a two-tone deedle deedle > deedle sound, and I think it's been used in the movies ("Flight of the > Intruder" I think) > The F-15 -1 has timing and frequency info for many (if not all) the alert noises. Does the manual for the A4 have this info buried somewhere maybe? > I have some HUD tapes which have the sound, but it's not clean enough to > rip it... At the moment I'm using the "Altitude Altitude" warning from > Falcon 4 :-) > If it's good enough to get pretty close to the timing and frequency, you should be able to cobble it together from scratch pretty easily. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com Sun Apr 15 21:04:46 2012 From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:04:46 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... In-Reply-To: References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A09@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Message-ID: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A0D@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> > The F-15 -1 has timing and frequency info for many (if not all) the alert > noises. Does the manual for the A4 have this info buried somewhere maybe? > > > I have some HUD tapes which have the sound, but it's not clean enough to > > rip it... At the moment I'm using the "Altitude Altitude" warning from > > Falcon 4 :-) > > > If it's good enough to get pretty close to the timing and frequency, you > should be able to cobble it together from scratch pretty easily. Sadly the A-4 "Kahu" refit is not well documented, and I understand that some of it is still classified (despite it being 11 years since they were taken out of service). The documentation for the Kahu, even pilot manuals are rare, so I doubt I will find it that way You know, I should have done an F-16 at least there is plenty of info on the net about them ;-) Looks like I'll go down the rip from the HUD tapes route! SeanG From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 21:05:17 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 23:05:17 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... In-Reply-To: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A09@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A09@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Message-ID: <4F8B9A7D.4000101@gmail.com> On 4/15/2012 6:33 PM, Sean Galbraith wrote: > > I'm looking for a sound effect, which is used in the A-4 for the > altitude alert, as well as the RWR. It's a two-tone deedle deedle > deedle sound, and I think it's been used in the movies ("Flight of the > Intruder" I think) > > I have some HUD tapes which have the sound, but it's not clean enough > to rip it... At the moment I'm using the "Altitude Altitude" warning > from Falcon 4 J > > Any ideas where I could find the sound? Or even a sim which has the > right sound I can .. err.. "borrow"? I've looked through Falcon 4 > and Janes F-15, but haven't found it yet... > > SeanG > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! I have a complete NAVAIR 01-40VC-1 (A-4E/F) manual.. I'll see if there is anything about it in it.. Cris H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120415/2b5715ef/attachment.html From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com Sun Apr 15 21:08:45 2012 From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:08:45 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... In-Reply-To: <4F8B9A7D.4000101@gmail.com> References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A09@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> <4F8B9A7D.4000101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A10@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Thanks Cris, but mine is a local updated version called a "Kahu", which shoehorned F-16 systems into the old scooter airframe, and a lot of it is unique to the Kahu avionics fit. The sound however will be from something else... it's just identifying the right sound I will endeavor to rip the sound from the HUD tape, and post a link to it.. then everyone can hear what it should look like :-) SeanG ________________________________ From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Cris Harrison Sent: Monday, 16 April 2012 4:05 p.m. To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... On 4/15/2012 6:33 PM, Sean Galbraith wrote: I'm looking for a sound effect, which is used in the A-4 for the altitude alert, as well as the RWR. It's a two-tone deedle deedle deedle sound, and I think it's been used in the movies ("Flight of the Intruder" I think) I have some HUD tapes which have the sound, but it's not clean enough to rip it... At the moment I'm using the "Altitude Altitude" warning from Falcon 4 :-) Any ideas where I could find the sound? Or even a sim which has the right sound I can .. err.. "borrow"? I've looked through Falcon 4 and Janes F-15, but haven't found it yet... SeanG _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! I have a complete NAVAIR 01-40VC-1 (A-4E/F) manual.. I'll see if there is anything about it in it.. Cris H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120416/7083d9d4/attachment.html From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 21:14:57 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 23:14:57 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... In-Reply-To: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A09@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A09@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Message-ID: <4F8B9CC1.40508@gmail.com> On 4/15/2012 6:33 PM, Sean Galbraith wrote: > > I'm looking for a sound effect, which is used in the A-4 for the > altitude alert, as well as the RWR. It's a two-tone deedle deedle > deedle sound, and I think it's been used in the movies ("Flight of the > Intruder" I think) > > I have some HUD tapes which have the sound, but it's not clean enough > to rip it... At the moment I'm using the "Altitude Altitude" warning > from Falcon 4 J > > Any ideas where I could find the sound? Or even a sim which has the > right sound I can .. err.. "borrow"? I've looked through Falcon 4 > and Janes F-15, but haven't found it yet... > > SeanG > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! GOTIT.. LAWS (Low Altitude Warning System) 2 warning lights and aural-warning tone operated in conjunction with the APN-141 rada altimeter. when the needle moves below the preset indexer altitude, the marker-becon light, the low-limit warning light, and the aural-warning tone are activated for 2 seconds ->the tone is an alternating 700 - 1700 hz tone monitored through the pilots headset. at a 2 hz repetition rate. ->A reliability warning singal of the frequency range but with a 8 hz repetition rate .. The reliablitily warning signal sounds for 2 sec whenever the APN-141 acquires or loses lock-on. Cris H. phoenixcomm.wordpress.com www.phoenixaerospace.us www.flite-tronics.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120415/ecef6c28/attachment-0001.html From fsim at rwaltman.com Sun Apr 15 21:20:32 2012 From: fsim at rwaltman.com (Roberto Waltman) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 00:20:32 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... In-Reply-To: References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A09@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Message-ID: <4F8B9E10.70404@rwaltman.com> Gene Buckle wrote: > Sean Galbraith wrote: > >> I'm looking for a sound effect, which is used in the A-4 for the >> altitude alert, as well as the RWR. It's a two-tone deedle deedle >> deedle sound, > ... >> I have some HUD tapes which have the sound, but it's not clean enough to >> rip it... At the moment I'm using the "Altitude Altitude" warning from >> Falcon 4 :-) >> > If it's good enough to get pretty close to the timing and frequency, you > should be able to cobble it together from scratch pretty easily. There are spectrum analysis packages for PCs that use the sound "card" as the input device. You may be able to get all the information you need from the tapes, and then synthesize a clean signal as Gene suggests. A few Google hits: http://www.ymec.com/products/dssf3e/index.htm (demo: http://www.ymec.com/hp/signal2/pwer.htm) http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html http://www.zelscope.com/ http://www.trueaudio.com/rta_abt1.htm -- Roberto Waltman From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com Sun Apr 15 21:39:57 2012 From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:39:57 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... In-Reply-To: <4F8B9CC1.40508@gmail.com> References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A09@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> <4F8B9CC1.40508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A11@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> WOW! That's pretty impressive... so now I'm off to do some sound synthesizing ;-) Thanks so much Cris! SeanG GOTIT.. LAWS (Low Altitude Warning System) 2 warning lights and aural-warning tone operated in conjunction with the APN-141 rada altimeter. when the needle moves below the preset indexer altitude, the marker-becon light, the low-limit warning light, and the aural-warning tone are activated for 2 seconds ->the tone is an alternating 700 - 1700 hz tone monitored through the pilots headset. at a 2 hz repetition rate. ->A reliability warning singal of the frequency range but with a 8 hz repetition rate .. The reliablitily warning signal sounds for 2 sec whenever the APN-141 acquires or loses lock-on. Cris H. phoenixcomm.wordpress.com www.phoenixaerospace.us www.flite-tronics.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120416/d0335288/attachment.html From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com Sun Apr 15 21:45:16 2012 From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:45:16 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... In-Reply-To: <4F8B9E10.70404@rwaltman.com> References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A09@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> <4F8B9E10.70404@rwaltman.com> Message-ID: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A12@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Man, there are some smart guys on this list :) Some very interesting links! Thanks. I'll rip some samples and analyze them, then compare to the numbers Cris found. Thanks Roberto ;-) Really appreciate your help guys SeanG > There are spectrum analysis packages for PCs that use the > sound "card" as the input device. You may be able to get all > the information you need from the tapes, and then synthesize > a clean signal as Gene suggests. > > A few Google hits: > > http://www.ymec.com/products/dssf3e/index.htm > (demo: http://www.ymec.com/hp/signal2/pwer.htm) > > http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html > > http://www.zelscope.com/ > > http://www.trueaudio.com/rta_abt1.htm > > -- > Roberto Waltman From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 22:31:53 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 00:31:53 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... In-Reply-To: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A11@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A09@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> <4F8B9CC1.40508@gmail.com> <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A11@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Message-ID: <4F8BAEC9.50706@gmail.com> On 4/15/2012 11:39 PM, Sean Galbraith wrote: > > WOW! > > That's pretty impressive... so now I'm off to do some sound > synthesizing ;-) > > Thanks so much Cris! > > SeanG > > GOTIT.. > LAWS (Low Altitude Warning System) > 2 warning lights and aural-warning tone operated in conjunction with > the APN-141 rada altimeter. > when the needle moves below the preset indexer altitude, the > marker-becon light, the low-limit warning light, and the aural-warning > tone are activated for 2 seconds > ->the tone is an alternating 700 - 1700 hz tone monitored through the > pilots headset. at a 2 hz repetition rate. > ->A reliability warning singal of the frequency range but with a 8 hz > repetition rate .. The reliablitily warning signal sounds for 2 sec > whenever the APN-141 acquires or loses lock-on. > > Cris H. > phoenixcomm.wordpress.com > www.phoenixaerospace.us > www.flite-tronics.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! NP!! :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120416/16198487/attachment.html From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com Sun Apr 15 22:33:33 2012 From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:33:33 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... In-Reply-To: <4F8BAEC9.50706@gmail.com> References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A09@PS-CH1.pacsim.local><4F8B9CC1.40508@gmail.com><2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A11@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> <4F8BAEC9.50706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A16@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Quiet day at work: Have a syth sample pulled together, and sent off to my local expert for his approval ;-) SeanG ________________________________ From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Cris Harrison Sent: Monday, 16 April 2012 5:32 p.m. To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... On 4/15/2012 11:39 PM, Sean Galbraith wrote: WOW! That's pretty impressive... so now I'm off to do some sound synthesizing ;-) Thanks so much Cris! SeanG GOTIT.. LAWS (Low Altitude Warning System) 2 warning lights and aural-warning tone operated in conjunction with the APN-141 rada altimeter. when the needle moves below the preset indexer altitude, the marker-becon light, the low-limit warning light, and the aural-warning tone are activated for 2 seconds ->the tone is an alternating 700 - 1700 hz tone monitored through the pilots headset. at a 2 hz repetition rate. ->A reliability warning singal of the frequency range but with a 8 hz repetition rate .. The reliablitily warning signal sounds for 2 sec whenever the APN-141 acquires or loses lock-on. Cris H. phoenixcomm.wordpress.com www.phoenixaerospace.us www.flite-tronics.com _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! NP!! :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120416/716d667c/attachment-0001.html From mi.hi at gmx.net Mon Apr 16 01:50:08 2012 From: mi.hi at gmx.net (Michi Hirczy) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:50:08 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... In-Reply-To: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A16@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A09@PS-CH1.pacsim.local><4F8B9CC1.40508@gmail.com><2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A11@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> <4F8BAEC9.50706@gmail.com> <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A16@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Message-ID: <4F8BDD40.4020805@gmx.net> On 16.04.2012 07:33, Sean Galbraith wrote: > Quiet day at work: Have a syth sample pulled together, and sent off to > my local expert for his approval ;-) hopefully we can get a hearing of it, too? :) greetings michi From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com Mon Apr 16 06:23:02 2012 From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 01:23:02 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... In-Reply-To: <4F8BDD40.4020805@gmx.net> References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A09@PS-CH1.pacsim.local><4F8B9CC1.40508@gmail.com><2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A11@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> <4F8BAEC9.50706@gmail.com><2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A16@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> <4F8BDD40.4020805@gmx.net> Message-ID: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A19@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Have a look/listen to this: http://Ta4ksim.no-ip.org/Random/a4altitude.wav SeanG > > Quiet day at work: Have a syth sample pulled together, and sent off to > > my local expert for his approval ;-) > > hopefully we can get a hearing of it, too? :) > > greetings > michi > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From mi.hi at gmx.net Mon Apr 16 07:20:59 2012 From: mi.hi at gmx.net (Michi Hirczy) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:20:59 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... In-Reply-To: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A19@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A09@PS-CH1.pacsim.local><4F8B9CC1.40508@gmail.com><2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A11@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> <4F8BAEC9.50706@gmail.com><2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A16@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> <4F8BDD40.4020805@gmx.net> <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A19@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Message-ID: <4F8C2ACB.60701@gmx.net> On 16.04.2012 15:23, Sean Galbraith wrote: > Have a look/listen to this: > http://Ta4ksim.no-ip.org/Random/a4altitude.wav holy beep, batman! if you're not reacting hearing this tone, you're unconscious or worse :) sounds good to me, but I don't know the original tone. I would definitely put it into my sim. greetings michi From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com Mon Apr 16 08:39:23 2012 From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 03:39:23 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... In-Reply-To: <4F8C2ACB.60701@gmx.net> References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A09@PS-CH1.pacsim.local><4F8B9CC1.40508@gmail.com><2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A11@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> <4F8BAEC9.50706@gmail.com><2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A16@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> <4F8BDD40.4020805@gmx.net><2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A19@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> <4F8C2ACB.60701@gmx.net> Message-ID: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A1A@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Thanks! My Skyhawk Avionics expert thought it was pretty good, and another Friend (and Skyhawk nutter) compared it to the HUD tapes (which I still haven't had time to dig out!) and says its pretty much bang on. HUGE thank you to the simpits gang ;-) SeanG > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech- > bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Michi Hirczy > Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2012 2:21 a.m. > To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... > > On 16.04.2012 15:23, Sean Galbraith wrote: > > Have a look/listen to this: > > http://Ta4ksim.no-ip.org/Random/a4altitude.wav > > holy beep, batman! > if you're not reacting hearing this tone, you're unconscious or worse :) > > sounds good to me, but I don't know the original tone. > > I would definitely put it into my sim. > > greetings > michi > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Apr 16 09:42:15 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... In-Reply-To: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A16@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A09@PS-CH1.pacsim.local><4F8B9CC1.40508@gmail.com><2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A11@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> <4F8BAEC9.50706@gmail.com> <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A16@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Apr 2012, Sean Galbraith wrote: > Quiet day at work: Have a syth sample pulled together, and sent off to > my local expert for his approval ;-) > > \o/ g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com Mon Apr 16 15:28:53 2012 From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:28:53 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] TA-4K Wedge Panel Message-ID: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A1B@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> In a demonstration of systematic procrastination I present the engraved "Wedge" panel from the TA-4. This has been sitting on my desk at work, milled, painted, but not engraved, for the past *year*.... In a fit of enthusiasm I managed to get of my posterior and finish the thing.. Now I guess it will take another year or so before I screw it down.... :-) Please excuse the missing switches, and general mess in the photo.... SeanG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120417/57e29253/attachment.html From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com Mon Apr 16 15:29:47 2012 From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:29:47 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] ...and now with the link! Message-ID: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A1C@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> http://Ta4ksim.no-ip.org/Random/ You'd think I could remember to add the link by now.... SeanG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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J**** > > ** ** > > Please excuse the missing switches, and general mess in the photo?.**** > > ** ** > > SeanG**** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120416/abc7f379/attachment-0001.html From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon Apr 16 15:32:44 2012 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:32:44 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] ...and now with the link! In-Reply-To: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A1C@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A1C@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Message-ID: And that's a sound file, not a photo ! :-) On 16 April 2012 23:29, Sean Galbraith wrote: > http://Ta4ksim.no-ip.org/Random/ > **** > > ** ** > > You?d think I could remember to add the link by now?. **** > > ** ** > > SeanG**** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120416/740efb79/attachment.html From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com Mon Apr 16 15:36:05 2012 From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:36:05 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] ...and now with the link! In-Reply-To: References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A1C@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Message-ID: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A1D@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Should be a list, with a wav and an image.... http://Ta4ksim.no-ip.org/Random/RH_Wedge.jpg Should be a direct link SeanG ________________________________ From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Roy Coates Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2012 10:33 a.m. To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] ...and now with the link! And that's a sound file, not a photo ! :-) On 16 April 2012 23:29, Sean Galbraith wrote: http://Ta4ksim.no-ip.org/Random/ You'd think I could remember to add the link by now.... SeanG _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120417/5a9d239b/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Apr 16 17:58:33 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] ...and now with the link! In-Reply-To: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A1C@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A1C@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Apr 2012, Sean Galbraith wrote: > http://Ta4ksim.no-ip.org/Random/ > Very nice. Odd shaped panel too. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From dabigboy at cox.net Mon Apr 16 18:08:50 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:08:50 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] ...and now with the link! In-Reply-To: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A1D@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Message-ID: <20120416210850.872AO.368848.imail@fed1rmwml208> Very nice work on the panel Sean, where/how did you have it made? I had not seen your sim before.....VERY nice work! Are you driving any real instruments or are they all from scratch? Servos and steppers? Matt From dabigboy at cox.net Mon Apr 16 19:10:36 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:10:36 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... Message-ID: <20120416221037.0DSCA.369492.imail@fed1rmwml208> NICE, if I tweak this just a bit it would sound really appropriate as the autopilot disconnect warning in a mid-size GA aircraft. I may stick it in my sim and mine is not even military. :) Matt ---- Michi Hirczy wrote: > On 16.04.2012 15:23, Sean Galbraith wrote: > > Have a look/listen to this: > > http://Ta4ksim.no-ip.org/Random/a4altitude.wav > > holy beep, batman! > if you're not reacting hearing this tone, you're unconscious or worse :) > > sounds good to me, but I don't know the original tone. > > I would definitely put it into my sim. > > greetings > michi > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From fsim at rwaltman.com Mon Apr 16 20:05:32 2012 From: fsim at rwaltman.com (Roberto Waltman) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:05:32 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... In-Reply-To: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A12@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A09@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> <4F8B9E10.70404@rwaltman.com> <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10A12@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Message-ID: <4F8CDDFC.3010506@rwaltman.com> Sean Galbraith wrote: > Man, there are some smart guys on this list :) We aim to please ... Cris Harrison wrote: > ->the tone is an alternating 700 - 1700 hz > tone monitored through the pilots headset. > at a 2 hz repetition rate. Just for kicks, I made a wav file (1) using those numbers. Sounds right. Results here: http://www.rwaltman.com/the_sky_is_falling.wav -- Roberto Waltman (1) With audacity ( http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ ) From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com Wed Apr 18 17:26:02 2012 From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:26:02 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Deedle Deedle Deedle... Message-ID: <000001cd1dc2$e4086c3c$0200a8c0@pacsim.local> Yep, sounds the same. I used Audacity to build mine too :) The sound plays for 2 seconds total, so four "deedles" :) I am away on holiday with the family but brought some bud tapes to watch as a confirmation.... bet that will go well with SWMBO.... SeanG Roberto Waltman wrote: Sean Galbraith wrote: > Man, there are some smart guys on this list :) We aim to please ... Cris Harrison wrote: > ->the tone is an alternating 700 - 1700 hz > tone monitored through the pilots headset. > at a 2 hz repetition rate. Just for kicks, I made a wav file (1) using those numbers. Sounds right. Results here: http://www.rwaltman.com/the_sky_is_falling.wav -- Roberto Waltman (1) With audacity ( http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ ) _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 19 22:06:44 2012 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:06:44 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] James Price makes Yahoo News Message-ID: <000601cd1eb3$61ddfd90$2599f8b0$@sbcglobal.net> Little ditzle on James and his sim. Looks great. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/armchair-aviator-builds-boeing-7 37-simulator-garage-214453366.html Jay Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones. --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Apr 20 07:13:07 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] James Price makes Yahoo News In-Reply-To: <000601cd1eb3$61ddfd90$2599f8b0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <000601cd1eb3$61ddfd90$2599f8b0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Apr 2012, Joseph Fagner wrote: > Little ditzle on James and his sim. Looks great. > http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/armchair-aviator-builds-boeing-7 > 37-simulator-garage-214453366.html > I think it's cool. You should see the hate on Slashdot though. Blows my mind. Those guys are too much sometimes. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From dabigboy at cox.net Sat Apr 21 00:11:18 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 0:11:18 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] James Price makes Yahoo News In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120421031118.8FA8J.425492.imail@fed1rmwml206> ---- Gene Buckle wrote: > On Fri, 20 Apr 2012, Joseph Fagner wrote: > > > Little ditzle on James and his sim. Looks great. > > http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/armchair-aviator-builds-boeing-7 > > 37-simulator-garage-214453366.html > > > I think it's cool. You should see the hate on Slashdot though. Blows my > mind. Those guys are too much sometimes. > > g. That's great, big kudos to James! Not sure what on earth the slashdotters could find to gripe about with that video?? I was going to check, out of curiosity, but ya know what, I don't even want to know. I just saw a similar article about James, think it was on some sort of DIY gadget site. There is simply no substitute for sourcing a real, honest to goodness nose section from a real airplane. Gorgeous sim! Matt From dabigboy at cox.net Sun Apr 22 22:28:53 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:28:53 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Now it's serious............ Message-ID: <20120423012853.02Q5P.442381.imail@fed1rmwml302> Just linking to this since I already posted it to the ORG: http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=50459&st=20 The cockpit is beginning to take shape! A bit meager compared to some of the magnificent artworks I've seen posted here over the years, but I suppose for an entry-level "carpenter" it isn't half bad. :) I'm trying to keep things simple and sturdy at this point. Not too worried about how it looks from the outside, I think with some strategic use of carpet, metal interior panels, and side upholstery, I can pull off a reasonably convincing interior with the basic 2x4 construction. Of course, also don't forget all the real radios and other goodies that will be packed into the 'pit! Matt From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 08:12:12 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:12:12 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] ADF update (again) GOOD NEWS! In-Reply-To: <20120413202012.4FVBJ.343680.imail@fed1rmwml206> References: <20120413202012.4FVBJ.343680.imail@fed1rmwml206> Message-ID: <4F95714C.4050807@gmail.com> On 4/13/2012 7:20 PM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > Amazing.....I emailed Honeywell last week on the off-chance that someone might provide me with some info on the King ADF indicator I showed you guys. Tonight I received a *detailed* email discussing the operating principle of the indicator and the optional secondary azimuth card, PLUS a nice schematic for the entire unit! I'm almost dumbfounded that someone at a big outfit like Honeywell would bother to hunt down a schematic for an ADF indicator from 1969 AND take the time to explain to me how it works! > > As it turns out, there is no synchro involved here. The little "can" is just a 12v motor, and the big one (the goniometer) is what reads needle position. The only thing I'm worried about is the motor says "175hz" on it, which leads me to believe it requires A/C? It has five wires coming out of it. The motor sure looks like an A/C motor from the schematic. > > So I guess basically, it's a really complex but primitive servo. :) > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > Hi Mat could you please send me a copy of the info... Thanks Cris H. phoenixcomm at gmail.com phoenixcomm.wordpress.com From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Apr 23 09:06:28 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Now it's serious............ In-Reply-To: <20120423012853.02Q5P.442381.imail@fed1rmwml302> References: <20120423012853.02Q5P.442381.imail@fed1rmwml302> Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Apr 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > Just linking to this since I already posted it to the ORG: > > http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=50459&st=20 > Great job Matt! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Apr 24 08:53:42 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] It's stuff like this that kills me... Message-ID: http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=5255247&convertTo=USD I only want ONE. *sigh* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 24 09:09:13 2012 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:09:13 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] It's stuff like this that kills me... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201cd2234$9721f040$c565d0c0$@sbcglobal.net> That's in your neck of the woods, why don't you bid on it? Jay Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones. --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:54 AM To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] It's stuff like this that kills me... http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=5255247&convertTo=USD I only want ONE. *sigh* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From pascal at pascal.org Tue Apr 24 09:13:53 2012 From: pascal at pascal.org (Freeman P. Pascal IV) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:13:53 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Gene, it's your fault... Message-ID: <002501cd2235$412afdc0$c380f940$@pascal.org> It's been, say, four or five years I have been lurking on this list. I have watched many of you build your sims and chat about the tech surrounding them. Well, this last week I finally did something about my lurking and it's all Gene's fault. I bought my own CNC machine. :D A CRP4848 4'x4' CNC machine kit [1] from CNC Router Parts (with 3HP water cooled spindle). Too long have I watched Gene have all the fun with his tools, making things I can only dream about. Well no longer. I'll have to put it together over this summer, but I expect to be making chips by mid-summer. Then I'll start putting all the parts I have been collect for my GA cockpit together. Oh, on top of that - the CNC is getting its own place to live. We are building my shop as I write this. Thanks Gene for the inspiration. -Freeman [1] CRP4848 4'x4' CNC Kit - http://www.cncrouterparts.com/crp4848-4-x-4-machine-kit-p-137.html?cPath=29 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120424/f2734300/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Apr 24 09:57:33 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] It's stuff like this that kills me... In-Reply-To: <001201cd2234$9721f040$c565d0c0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <001201cd2234$9721f040$c565d0c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Apr 2012, Joseph Fagner wrote: > That's in your neck of the woods, why don't you bid on it? > Well for one, I don't have $150 to spare and two, I don't need 17 of the stupid things. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Apr 24 10:07:43 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Gene, it's your fault... In-Reply-To: <002501cd2235$412afdc0$c380f940$@pascal.org> References: <002501cd2235$412afdc0$c380f940$@pascal.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Apr 2012, Freeman P. Pascal IV wrote: > I bought my own CNC machine. :D A CRP4848 4'x4' CNC machine kit [1] from > CNC Router Parts (with 3HP water cooled spindle). > That's a great little machine Freeman, good buy! I would _strongly_ suggest that you get either Vectric's VCarve Pro or Aspire to do your toolpath work. I've used VCP for years and it's fantastic. It will output code that the Mach3 controller software easily processes. There's a post-processor specifically for Mach3. When you want to do real 3D stuff, I'd either upgrade to or just get Aspire - it's also made by Vectric and is a world class tool. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue Apr 24 13:54:01 2012 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:54:01 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] It's stuff like this that kills me... In-Reply-To: References: <001201cd2234$9721f040$c565d0c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Chances are you'd get the lot for $150. Keep one, weigh in the rest as scrap alloy and make a few bucks. On 24 April 2012 17:57, Gene Buckle wrote: > On Tue, 24 Apr 2012, Joseph Fagner wrote: > > > That's in your neck of the woods, why don't you bid on it? > > > Well for one, I don't have $150 to spare and two, I don't need 17 of the > stupid things. :) > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. > Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. > > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment > A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. > http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! > > Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a > server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. > [Cipher in a.s.r] > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120424/9a8f850c/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Apr 24 14:02:40 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] It's stuff like this that kills me... In-Reply-To: References: <001201cd2234$9721f040$c565d0c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Apr 2012, Roy Coates wrote: > Chances are you'd get the lot for $150. Keep one, weigh in the rest as > scrap alloy and make a few bucks. My spare money has to go to getting a real engine start panel for the F-15 - Fortunately the seller still has one left. Just waiting for him to get back to me. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From brian at sikkema.us Tue Apr 24 15:13:03 2012 From: brian at sikkema.us (Brian Sikkema) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:13:03 +0900 Subject: [simpits-tech] It's stuff like this that kills me... In-Reply-To: References: <001201cd2234$9721f040$c565d0c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4F97256F.6040908@sikkema.us> On 4/25/2012 5:54 AM, Roy Coates wrote: > > Chances are you'd get the lot for $150. Keep one, weigh in the rest > as scrap alloy and make a few bucks. > That $150 is the starting bid. In my experience the scrap metal guys are already well aware of this lot, and it will go for scrap metal prices by the time all is said and done. I had the same thoughts once about a lot of aircraft wheels, I figured I'd buy them up cheap and scrap them. I was shocked for how much they ended up going for. Make no mistake, Gene is probably the only guy looking at this auction thinking "Cool! F-15 ladders!" Everyone else just sees a big pile of metal. Brian From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue Apr 24 15:35:51 2012 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 23:35:51 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] It's stuff like this that kills me... In-Reply-To: References: <001201cd2234$9721f040$c565d0c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On 24 April 2012 22:02, Gene Buckle wrote: > > My spare money.... What's "spare" money? I've never seen any of that! Incidentally, a/c ladders here in the UK can fetch stupid money even in piss-poor condition. There was one recently on Evilbay that was up for 300 UKP. I'd go for the panel gene, it's far more important. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120424/496c4293/attachment.html From dabigboy at cox.net Tue Apr 24 20:37:45 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:37:45 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Gene, it's your fault... In-Reply-To: <002501cd2235$412afdc0$c380f940$@pascal.org> Message-ID: <20120424233745.03UHT.468626.imail@fed1rmwml106> ---- "Freeman P. Pascal IV" wrote: > It's been, say, four or five years I have been lurking on this list. I have > watched many of you build your sims and chat about the tech surrounding > them. > > > > Well, this last week I finally did something about my lurking and it's all > Gene's fault. > > > > I bought my own CNC machine. :D A CRP4848 4'x4' CNC machine kit [1] from > CNC Router Parts (with 3HP water cooled spindle). That is awesome, way to go! I can only imagine the good stuff I could build with a CNC machine. Of course now you have to post pics and details on your new projects as they develop. :) Matt From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 24 22:14:04 2012 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:14:04 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] It's stuff like this that kills me... In-Reply-To: References: <001201cd2234$9721f040$c565d0c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <005f01cd22a2$3c338c70$b49aa550$@sbcglobal.net> Keep one and sell the others for scrap aluminum, you'll get your money back and probably make a buck or two. Jay Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones. --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:58 AM To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] It's stuff like this that kills me... On Tue, 24 Apr 2012, Joseph Fagner wrote: > That's in your neck of the woods, why don't you bid on it? > Well for one, I don't have $150 to spare and two, I don't need 17 of the stupid things. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From brian at sikkema.us Thu Apr 26 07:34:43 2012 From: brian at sikkema.us (Brian Sikkema) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:34:43 +0900 Subject: [simpits-tech] Hey Gene (and any other F-15 buffs) Message-ID: <4F995D03.4040004@sikkema.us> http://gizmodo.com/5905179/watching-this-is-the-closest-youll-get-to-aerial-combat Enjoy. :) This is from the F-15 squadrons here at Kadena, including a few shots of the mighty KC-135 Stratotanker. :) Don't be confused by the "97th AMW" painted on the boom, it's a 909th jet, we just suck at repainting our tails after we get them from other units, lol. Brian From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Apr 26 08:10:34 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Hey Gene (and any other F-15 buffs) In-Reply-To: <4F995D03.4040004@sikkema.us> References: <4F995D03.4040004@sikkema.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Brian Sikkema wrote: > http://gizmodo.com/5905179/watching-this-is-the-closest-youll-get-to-aerial-combat > Awesome video Brian! Thanks for posting it! I love the new JHMCS helmets. :) Is there any way you could get some cockpit pics (side consoles & stick base)? I'd like to see how the active duty C models compare to their ANG bretheren. There's also been some question on the style of the SFS box between post-MSIP II C models. I could use a pic of the FDL Terminal control panel too. (might be marked JDIDS) tnx! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From echotech1452 at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 08:24:31 2012 From: echotech1452 at gmail.com (delor lauchang) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:24:31 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Hey Gene (and any other F-15 buffs) In-Reply-To: <4F995D03.4040004@sikkema.us> References: <4F995D03.4040004@sikkema.us> Message-ID: Thanks Brian for posting. Awesome video, the Pihiliipines needs these guys back in their skies. I will share with my buddies in the Philippines so they can realize what they're missing. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Brian Sikkema wrote: > > http://gizmodo.com/5905179/watching-this-is-the-closest-youll-get-to-aerial-combat > > Enjoy. :) This is from the F-15 squadrons here at Kadena, including a > few shots of the mighty KC-135 Stratotanker. :) Don't be confused by the > "97th AMW" painted on the boom, it's a 909th jet, we just suck at > repainting our tails after we get them from other units, lol. > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120426/691643a6/attachment.html From dabigboy at cox.net Thu Apr 26 23:11:04 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:11:04 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] B-52 sim at the Barksdale AFB show last weekend In-Reply-To: <1335499881.82416.YahooMailNeo@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20120427021104.RTHND.490464.imail@fed1rmwml301> Great stuff Justin!!! That B-52 looks like quite a rig. How did you get your hands on a B-52 nose? :) Matt ---- Justin Messenger wrote: > These soon-to-be B-52 navigators had never been in an actual B-52 cockpit. Here is a video clip of the action. ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9AP8qKetnzs www.SimAdventure.com? From dabigboy at cox.net Thu Apr 26 23:19:23 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:19:23 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pedals are in...... Message-ID: <20120427021923.V6JQV.490479.imail@fed1rmwml301> Real pedals from a Cessna 172RG (Cutlass), fully articulating, with toe brakes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/alfamatt/6971757524/ :) Matt From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Apr 27 06:56:46 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] B-52 sim at the Barksdale AFB show last weekend In-Reply-To: <1335499881.82416.YahooMailNeo@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1335499881.82416.YahooMailNeo@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Justin Messenger wrote: > These soon-to-be B-52 navigators had never been in an actual B-52 > cockpit. Here is a video clip of the action. ? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v?P8qKetnzs Now that's just bad ass Justin. Great job! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Apr 27 07:00:37 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Pedals are in...... In-Reply-To: <20120427021923.V6JQV.490479.imail@fed1rmwml301> References: <20120427021923.V6JQV.490479.imail@fed1rmwml301> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > Real pedals from a Cessna 172RG (Cutlass), fully articulating, with toe brakes: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/alfamatt/6971757524/ > \o/ g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 07:40:16 2012 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] B-52 sim at the Barksdale AFB show last weekend In-Reply-To: References: <1335499881.82416.YahooMailNeo@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1335537616.25614.YahooMailNeo@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks!? Just wait until we get?started on?the F-15 :) www.SimAdventure.com? >________________________________ > From: Gene Buckle >To: Justin Messenger ; Simulator Cockpit Builder's List >Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 8:56 AM >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] B-52 sim at the Barksdale AFB show last weekend > >On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Justin Messenger wrote: > >> These soon-to-be B-52 navigators had never been in an actual B-52 cockpit. Here is a video clip of the action. ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v?P8qKetnzs > >Now that's just bad ass Justin.? Great job! > >g. > >-- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. >http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. >Some people collect things for a hobby.? Geeks collect hobbies. > >ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment >A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. >http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! > >Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a >server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. >[Cipher in a.s.r] > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120427/e823e7f6/attachment.html From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 15:49:48 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:49:48 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] B-52 sim at the Barksdale AFB show last weekend In-Reply-To: <1335499881.82416.YahooMailNeo@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1335499881.82416.YahooMailNeo@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F9B228C.7090907@gmail.com> On 4/26/2012 11:11 PM, Justin Messenger wrote: > These soon-to-be B-52 navigators had never been in an actual B-52 > cockpit. Here is a video clip of the action. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v?P8qKetnzs > > www.SimAdventure.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! Nice Job!! Cris H. phoenixcomm.wordpress.com phoenixaerospace.us flite-tronics.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120427/d3c9cc21/attachment-0001.html From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com Sat Apr 28 07:38:41 2012 From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 02:38:41 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pedals are in...... In-Reply-To: References: <20120427021923.V6JQV.490479.imail@fed1rmwml301> Message-ID: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10ACA@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> After living on a diet of airliner bits, it always surprises me how simple GA controls are..... Nice work! SeanG > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech- > bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle > Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2012 2:01 a.m. > To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Pedals are in...... > > On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > > > Real pedals from a Cessna 172RG (Cutlass), fully articulating, with toe > brakes: > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/alfamatt/6971757524/ > > > \o/ > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. > Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. > > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment > A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. > http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! > > Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a > server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. > [Cipher in a.s.r] > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From dabigboy at cox.net Sat Apr 28 14:16:39 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:16:39 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pedals are in...... In-Reply-To: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10ACA@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> Message-ID: <20120428171639.FFQPL.507793.imail@fed1rmwml108> ---- Sean Galbraith wrote: > After living on a diet of airliner bits, it always surprises me how > simple GA controls are..... > > Nice work! > > SeanG Thanks! Yep, I was a bit surprised at the simplicity (and, frankly, the flimsiness) of this rudder system. It's a bit unnerving to see that it would only take the failure of a single bolt to disable one of the brakes.... =O I think it took me all of 45 minutes to actually align and mount the pedals into my custom frame. Today I flew a Cessna 150 and I had a peek behind the pedals after parking...sure enough, it appears to be exactly the same setup. There was the little bolt and nut assembly to secure the pedal to its attachment shaft, and the mounting angles and dimensions of the pedals appear to be the same (though I am guessing the two sets of pedals are closer together on the 150 vs the 172RG that my pedals came from). Matt From bjones at pipecomp.com.au Sat Apr 28 16:27:50 2012 From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 07:27:50 +0800 (WST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Pedals are in...... In-Reply-To: <20120428171639.FFQPL.507793.imail@fed1rmwml108> References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10ACA@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> <20120428171639.FFQPL.507793.imail@fed1rmwml108> Message-ID: <022c01cd2596$87f19110$97d4b330$@com.au> Aircraft don't need brakes to fly :) Ben Thanks! Yep, I was a bit surprised at the simplicity (and, frankly, the flimsiness) of this rudder system. It's a bit unnerving to see that it would only take the failure of a single bolt to disable one of the brakes.... =O I think it took me all of 45 minutes to actually align and mount the pedals into my custom frame. Today I flew a Cessna 150 and I had a peek behind the pedals after parking...sure enough, it appears to be exactly the same setup. There was the little bolt and nut assembly to secure the pedal to its attachment shaft, and the mounting angles and dimensions of the pedals appear to be the same (though I am guessing the two sets of pedals are closer together on the 150 vs the 172RG that my pedals came from). Matt From echotech1452 at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 18:22:21 2012 From: echotech1452 at gmail.com (delor lauchang) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:22:21 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pedals are in...... In-Reply-To: <022c01cd2596$87f19110$97d4b330$@com.au> References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBE10ACA@PS-CH1.pacsim.local> <20120428171639.FFQPL.507793.imail@fed1rmwml108> <022c01cd2596$87f19110$97d4b330$@com.au> Message-ID: LOL.... On Apr 28, 2012 4:28 PM, "Ben Jones" wrote: > Aircraft don't need brakes to fly :) > Ben > > > > > > Thanks! Yep, I was a bit surprised at the simplicity (and, frankly, the > flimsiness) of this rudder system. It's a bit unnerving to see that it > would only take the failure of a single bolt to disable one of the > brakes.... =O > > I think it took me all of 45 minutes to actually align and mount the > pedals into my custom frame. > > Today I flew a Cessna 150 and I had a peek behind the pedals after > parking...sure enough, it appears to be exactly the same setup. There was > the little bolt and nut assembly to secure the pedal to its attachment > shaft, and the mounting angles and dimensions of the pedals appear to be > the same (though I am guessing the two sets of pedals are closer together > on the 150 vs the 172RG that my pedals came from). > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20120428/68ea3584/attachment.html From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 19:14:41 2012 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:14:41 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pedals are in...... In-Reply-To: <20120428171639.FFQPL.507793.imail@fed1rmwml108> References: <20120428171639.FFQPL.507793.imail@fed1rmwml108> Message-ID: <4F9CA411.1000307@gmail.com> On 4/28/2012 4:16 PM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > ---- Sean Galbraith wrote: >> After living on a diet of airliner bits, it always surprises me how >> simple GA controls are..... >> >> Nice work! >> >> SeanG > Thanks! Yep, I was a bit surprised at the simplicity (and, frankly, the flimsiness) of this rudder system. It's a bit unnerving to see that it would only take the failure of a single bolt to disable one of the brakes.... =O > > I think it took me all of 45 minutes to actually align and mount the pedals into my custom frame. > > Today I flew a Cessna 150 and I had a peek behind the pedals after parking...sure enough, it appears to be exactly the same setup. There was the little bolt and nut assembly to secure the pedal to its attachment shaft, and the mounting angles and dimensions of the pedals appear to be the same (though I am guessing the two sets of pedals are closer together on the 150 vs the 172RG that my pedals came from). > > Matt hey Matt check out pedals that I have... Instead of the stupid hardware and bolts as a pivot (they dont do that function well) use two air cylinders and cross connect them.. you should know that they will self center as they follow the laws of fluid dynamics.... http://phoenixcomm.wordpress.com/projects/pilot-controls-group/rudder-pedals/ you can use pedals that have to brakes on them if you want them.. you can pick up some pedals on ebay.. for less than 150 bucks Cris H. phoenixcomm.wordpress.com www.phoenixaerospace.us www.flite-tronics.com > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > From pigi at frumar.it Mon Apr 30 03:01:20 2012 From: pigi at frumar.it (Pigi) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:01:20 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Mike Powell book (BSAI) no more printed. Now what's ? Message-ID: <201204301201.20493.pigi@frumar.it> Sadly days for pits builder from now on. From: http://www.mikesflightdeck.com/mfdb/bsai/bsai.html =============================================== Building Simulated Aircraft Instrumentation is no longer available. I have no plans to do another printing. There are too many things I would like to improve, add, or change. If there's enough interest and if I ever manage to complete the books I'm currently working on, I may consider a second edition. =============================================== I was ready to buy and found this bad new. Any idea on how to get a copy ? Pigi From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Apr 30 07:18:58 2012 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Mike Powell book (BSAI) no more printed. Now what's ? In-Reply-To: <201204301201.20493.pigi@frumar.it> References: <201204301201.20493.pigi@frumar.it> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Pigi wrote: > Sadly days for pits builder from now on. > From: http://www.mikesflightdeck.com/mfdb/bsai/bsai.html > > =============================================== > Building Simulated Aircraft Instrumentation is no longer available. > > I have no plans to do another printing. There are too many things I would like > to improve, add, or change. If there's enough interest and if I ever manage to > complete the books I'm currently working on, I may consider a second edition. > > =============================================== > > I was ready to buy and found this bad new. > > Any idea on how to get a copy ? > His Building Recreational Flight Simulators has similar content with regard do some of the instruments, so you might want to get that. Regardless it's worth having. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] From dabigboy at cox.net Mon Apr 30 17:05:32 2012 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:05:32 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Mike Powell book (BSAI) no more printed. Now what's ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120430200532.FI7OJ.547079.root@fed1rmwml105> ---- Gene Buckle wrote: > On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Pigi wrote: > > > Sadly days for pits builder from now on. > > From: http://www.mikesflightdeck.com/mfdb/bsai/bsai.html > > > > =============================================== > > Building Simulated Aircraft Instrumentation is no longer available. > > > > I have no plans to do another printing. There are too many things I would like > > to improve, add, or change. If there's enough interest and if I ever manage to > > complete the books I'm currently working on, I may consider a second edition. > > > > =============================================== > > > > I was ready to buy and found this bad new. > > > > Any idea on how to get a copy ? > > > His Building Recreational Flight Simulators has similar content with > regard do some of the instruments, so you might want to get that. > Regardless it's worth having. :) > > g. Ahhh, glad I grabbed a copy of this back when it first came out.....much of the material I have not used yet, but there's a ton of good stuff in there. Matt