From raysot at comcast.net  Wed Mar  2 10:56:39 2011
From: raysot at comcast.net (raysot at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:56:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Arduino, Part Deaux...
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The (new) Arduino is up and running, spitting data out to both an LCD panel and also sending a 12-bit data stream using CS, CLK and DATA outputs. I have it cranked up pretty fast.. should be sending about 30 updates a second.. should be more than enough for smoothness.

Tonight I solder the CS4122 SOIC chip to a makeshift breadboard breakout card and start wiring things up.

I know what happened to my original Arduino... My breadboard power rails had (had) a ground, +5vdc and +12vdc rails. I was wiring up a switch, and the circuit called for a 1m pull-up resistor. I mistakenly plugged in a 100-ohm into the 12vdc rail.

Now I have the rails a bit more segregated and 12vdc is isolated to a single rail so it's out of the way and not as tempting.



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On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, raysot at comcast.net wrote: 

> Now, for the serial plan... What I hope for is to have a single data 
> line shared by all CS4122 chips , with multiple CLK lines. (One per 
> chip) 

Not having looked at the specs, I would recommend using the chip enable 
pin if one is present. That lets you keep common data & clock lines 
across multiple parts. If CE isn't set for the part in question, it'll 
ignore the clock & data lines. 

g. 


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From raysot at comcast.net  Thu Mar  3 10:02:46 2011
From: raysot at comcast.net (raysot at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:02:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [simpits-tech]  Need some Serial Communications help....
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(Was: Aircore gauges and Arduino)

So, I have the Arduino set up and spitting out a datastream (See image  link below)

I'm using a CS4122 chip: (http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet/on_semiconductor/CS4122-D.PDF)

This link is my timing diagram.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22535032/SerialData.jpg

I am successful in sending data but the gauge doesn't interpret correctly.. (Basically it just moves to random position on every 2nd cycle of the CS signal.)

This leads me to believe that I'm missing something... like a start/stop semaphore or some sort of parity bit(?)

If anyone has a few moments to look these docs over, I could use some help!

Thanks, everyone
Ray 

From fsim at rwaltman.com  Thu Mar  3 11:04:37 2011
From: fsim at rwaltman.com (Roberto Waltman)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 14:04:37 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Need some Serial Communications help....
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raysot at comcast.net wrote:
> So, I have the Arduino set up and spitting out a datastream (See image
> link below)
>
> I'm using a CS4122 chip:
> (http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet/on_semiconductor/CS4122-D.PDF)
>
> This link is my timing diagram.
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22535032/SerialData.jpg
>
> I am successful in sending data but the gauge doesn't interpret
> correctly.. (Basically it just moves to random position on every 2nd cycle
> of the CS signal.)
>
> This leads me to believe that I'm missing something... like a start/stop
> semaphore or some sort of parity bit(?)

For some reason I can not access the picture so, based only on the text:

You mention start/stop bits, etc. The pin names SI/SO can be misleading,
this is not a serial port as in RS-232 / UART based comms.  There are no
start, stop or parity bits.

This is an SPI interface. You need to prepare a 12 bits command as
described in Fig-6 in the data sheet, deliver it bit by bit to the SI pin
while supplying a clock pulse per bit to the SCLK.  You can do it using an
SPI port in the Arduino, if that is available, or by setting individual
bits high or low. ("bit-banging")

The "random position" may be due to sending too many or too few bits,
sending too many or too few clock pulses, the data or clock bits having
the wrong polarity, the data being totally wrong, (like what an UART would
produce,) the bits delivered in the wrong order, (MSB first vs LSB
first,)or any combination of the above.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Peripheral_Interface_Bus

--
Roberto Waltman




-- 
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar  3 11:45:39 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 11:45:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Need some Serial Communications help....
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On Thu, 3 Mar 2011, raysot at comcast.net wrote:

>
> (Was: Aircore gauges and Arduino)
>
> So, I have the Arduino set up and spitting out a datastream (See image  link below)
>
> I'm using a CS4122 chip: (http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet/on_semiconductor/CS4122-D.PDF)
>
> This link is my timing diagram.
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22535032/SerialData.jpg
>
> I am successful in sending data but the gauge doesn't interpret correctly.. (Basically it just moves to random position on every 2nd cycle of the CS signal.)
>
> This leads me to believe that I'm missing something... like a start/stop semaphore or some sort of parity bit(?)
>
> If anyone has a few moments to look these docs over, I could use some help!
>
I would suggest that you get it working on static values first.  Work at 
setting it to 0, 90, 180 and 270.

What's the code look like that you're using to send the data with?

g.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar  3 11:49:53 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 11:49:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Need some Serial Communications help....
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On Thu, 3 Mar 2011, Roberto Waltman wrote:

> raysot at comcast.net wrote:
>> So, I have the Arduino set up and spitting out a datastream (See image
>> link below)
>>
>> I'm using a CS4122 chip:
>> (http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet/on_semiconductor/CS4122-D.PDF)
>>
>> This link is my timing diagram.
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22535032/SerialData.jpg
>>
>> I am successful in sending data but the gauge doesn't interpret
>> correctly.. (Basically it just moves to random position on every 2nd cycle
>> of the CS signal.)
>>
>> This leads me to believe that I'm missing something... like a start/stop
>> semaphore or some sort of parity bit(?)
>
>
> This is an SPI interface. You need to prepare a 12 bits command as
> described in Fig-6 in the data sheet, deliver it bit by bit to the SI pin
> while supplying a clock pulse per bit to the SCLK.  You can do it using an
> SPI port in the Arduino, if that is available, or by setting individual
> bits high or low. ("bit-banging")
>
Good info Roberto.  Ray - you should also check out 
http://arduino.cc/en/Reference/SPI if you haven't already.

g.

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From fsim at rwaltman.com  Thu Mar  3 13:14:00 2011
From: fsim at rwaltman.com (Roberto Waltman)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 16:14:00 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Need some Serial Communications help....
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raysot at comcast.net wrote:
> I've attached my timing diagram.. hopefully it will go through.

I did.

> ....
> So perhaps I need to reverse my data stream and send my MSB first?

I believe so. Page 6 in the data sheet, immediately below Table-2:

"The 12 bits are shifted into the device?s shift register MSB
first using a SPI compatible scheme."

Hopefully that's all that is wrong. The timing diagram looks OK, (but of
course, is impossible to judge if the data hold and setup times are met.)

I would also use a very low clock rate at the beginning, in particular if
you have long wires between the controller and the '4122.

You can always increase the speed after it is working OK.

--
Roberto Waltman




From raysot at comcast.net  Thu Mar  3 13:19:19 2011
From: raysot at comcast.net (raysot at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 21:19:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Need some Serial Communications help....
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Thanks, Roberto! 

Here's my timing diagram.. hopefully it will go through.
http://anthonyscott.zenfolio.com/misc/h30b6d68e#h30b6d68e

I think I may be misunderstanding how this SPI interface works. 

My understanding so far: 

The very first CLK signal will clock in my LSB (D0) INTO the MSB (D11) and then be right-shifted with each subsequent CLK signal. 

So perhaps I need to reverse my data stream and send my MSB first? 



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Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2011 11:04:37 AM 
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Need some Serial Communications help.... 

raysot at comcast.net wrote: 
> So, I have the Arduino set up and spitting out a datastream (See image 
> link below) 
> 
> I'm using a CS4122 chip: 
> (http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet/on_semiconductor/CS4122-D.PDF) 
> 
> This link is my timing diagram. 
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22535032/SerialData.jpg 
> 
> I am successful in sending data but the gauge doesn't interpret 
> correctly.. (Basically it just moves to random position on every 2nd cycle 
> of the CS signal.) 
> 
> This leads me to believe that I'm missing something... like a start/stop 
> semaphore or some sort of parity bit(?) 

For some reason I can not access the picture so, based only on the text: 

You mention start/stop bits, etc. The pin names SI/SO can be misleading, 
this is not a serial port as in RS-232 / UART based comms. There are no 
start, stop or parity bits. 

This is an SPI interface. You need to prepare a 12 bits command as 
described in Fig-6 in the data sheet, deliver it bit by bit to the SI pin 
while supplying a clock pulse per bit to the SCLK. You can do it using an 
SPI port in the Arduino, if that is available, or by setting individual 
bits high or low. ("bit-banging") 

The "random position" may be due to sending too many or too few bits, 
sending too many or too few clock pulses, the data or clock bits having 
the wrong polarity, the data being totally wrong, (like what an UART would 
produce,) the bits delivered in the wrong order, (MSB first vs LSB 
first,)or any combination of the above. 

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Peripheral_Interface_Bus 

-- 
Roberto Waltman 




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From raysot at comcast.net  Thu Mar  3 13:21:47 2011
From: raysot at comcast.net (raysot at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 21:21:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Need some Serial Communications help....
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Thanks again.. I'll try reversing my data stream and slow my clock down.




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Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2011 1:14:00 PM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Need some Serial Communications help....

raysot at comcast.net wrote:
> I've attached my timing diagram.. hopefully it will go through.

I did.

> ....
> So perhaps I need to reverse my data stream and send my MSB first?

I believe so. Page 6 in the data sheet, immediately below Table-2:

"The 12 bits are shifted into the device?s shift register MSB
first using a SPI compatible scheme."

Hopefully that's all that is wrong. The timing diagram looks OK, (but of
course, is impossible to judge if the data hold and setup times are met.)

I would also use a very low clock rate at the beginning, in particular if
you have long wires between the controller and the '4122.

You can always increase the speed after it is working OK.

--
Roberto Waltman



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From fsim at rwaltman.com  Thu Mar  3 13:23:24 2011
From: fsim at rwaltman.com (Roberto Waltman)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 16:23:24 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Need some Serial Communications help....
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>> ....
>> So perhaps I need to reverse my data stream and send my MSB first?
>
> I believe so. Page 6 in the data sheet, immediately below Table-2:
>
> "The 12 bits are shifted into the device?s shift register MSB
> first using a SPI compatible scheme."

By the way, this is not standardized.  The MSB-LSB order, clock phase,
transfer length, etc., change from one SPI device to another.

Things can get complicated when you have multiple devices connected to the
same SPI bus, and you need to continuously reprogram your controller when
switching from one device to another.




From raysot at comcast.net  Thu Mar  3 13:35:32 2011
From: raysot at comcast.net (raysot at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 21:35:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Need some Serial Communications help....
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I had a feeling about the non-standard signals. I'm used to seeing: 


____ 
CLK 


____ 
Data 


____ 
ETC.... 

..and also shifting in LSB first. Interesting... 

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Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Need some Serial Communications help.... 

>> .... 
>> So perhaps I need to reverse my data stream and send my MSB first? 
> 
> I believe so. Page 6 in the data sheet, immediately below Table-2: 
> 
> "The 12 bits are shifted into the device?s shift register MSB 
> first using a SPI compatible scheme." 

By the way, this is not standardized. The MSB-LSB order, clock phase, 
transfer length, etc., change from one SPI device to another. 

Things can get complicated when you have multiple devices connected to the 
same SPI bus, and you need to continuously reprogram your controller when 
switching from one device to another. 



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From fsim at rwaltman.com  Thu Mar  3 13:48:11 2011
From: fsim at rwaltman.com (Roberto Waltman)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 16:48:11 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Air-core driver  (Was:  Arduino, Part Deaux...)
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On Tue, February 22, 2011 5:08 pm, raysot at comcast.net wrote:
>
> Gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelet I guess.
>
> Now, for the serial plan... What I hope for is to have a single data line
> shared by all CS4122 chips , with multiple CLK lines. (One per chip)
>

No, that would be the wrong omelet.

The SPI way is one data line to all chips, (or chain of chips,) one clock
line to all chips, and one CS *per* chip.

Only the chip that has an active CS will accept the data, all others will
ignore it.

(And again, if you have different chips, CS may be active high for some
and active low for others.)

See the wikipedia page I pointed to before and a few links from it.

--
Roberto Waltman





From raysot at comcast.net  Thu Mar  3 19:59:14 2011
From: raysot at comcast.net (Ray Sotkiewicz)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 19:59:14 -0800
Subject: [simpits-tech] Air-core driver  (Was:  Arduino, Part Deaux...)
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Roberto, you are the MAN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1krpXFGASQ

I simply reversed my bitwise AND operation to start with the MSB and viola!

Thank you so much!

Gene.. I don't need no stinking H-Bridge! ;-)
Ray


On 3/3/2011 1:48 PM, Roberto Waltman wrote:
> On Tue, February 22, 2011 5:08 pm, raysot at comcast.net wrote:
>> Gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelet I guess.
>>
>> Now, for the serial plan... What I hope for is to have a single data line
>> shared by all CS4122 chips , with multiple CLK lines. (One per chip)
>>
> No, that would be the wrong omelet.
>
> The SPI way is one data line to all chips, (or chain of chips,) one clock
> line to all chips, and one CS *per* chip.
>
> Only the chip that has an active CS will accept the data, all others will
> ignore it.
>
> (And again, if you have different chips, CS may be active high for some
> and active low for others.)
>
> See the wikipedia page I pointed to before and a few links from it.
>
> --
> Roberto Waltman
>
>
>
>
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From rd at ns.sympatico.ca  Thu Mar  3 20:14:54 2011
From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 00:14:54 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Air-core driver  (Was:  Arduino, Part Deaux...)
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he he

R


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> Roberto, you are the MAN!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1krpXFGASQ
>
> I simply reversed my bitwise AND operation to start with the MSB and 
> viola!
>
> Thank you so much!
>
> Gene.. I don't need no stinking H-Bridge! ;-)
> Ray
>
>
> On 3/3/2011 1:48 PM, Roberto Waltman wrote:
>> On Tue, February 22, 2011 5:08 pm, raysot at comcast.net wrote:
>>> Gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelet I guess.
>>>
>>> Now, for the serial plan... What I hope for is to have a single data 
>>> line
>>> shared by all CS4122 chips , with multiple CLK lines. (One per chip)
>>>
>> No, that would be the wrong omelet.
>>
>> The SPI way is one data line to all chips, (or chain of chips,) one clock
>> line to all chips, and one CS *per* chip.
>>
>> Only the chip that has an active CS will accept the data, all others will
>> ignore it.
>>
>> (And again, if you have different chips, CS may be active high for some
>> and active low for others.)
>>
>> See the wikipedia page I pointed to before and a few links from it.
>>
>> --
>> Roberto Waltman
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From raysot at comcast.net  Thu Mar  3 21:26:29 2011
From: raysot at comcast.net (Ray Sotkiewicz)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 21:26:29 -0800
Subject: [simpits-tech] Air-core driver  (Was:  Arduino, Part Deaux...)
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Full-Circle Test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yjIBd-FVxA



On 3/3/2011 7:59 PM, Ray Sotkiewicz wrote:
> Roberto, you are the MAN!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1krpXFGASQ
>
> I simply reversed my bitwise AND operation to start with the MSB and viola!
>
> Thank you so much!
>
> Gene.. I don't need no stinking H-Bridge! ;-)
> Ray
>
>
> On 3/3/2011 1:48 PM, Roberto Waltman wrote:
>> On Tue, February 22, 2011 5:08 pm, raysot at comcast.net wrote:
>>> Gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelet I guess.
>>>
>>> Now, for the serial plan... What I hope for is to have a single data line
>>> shared by all CS4122 chips , with multiple CLK lines. (One per chip)
>>>
>> No, that would be the wrong omelet.
>>
>> The SPI way is one data line to all chips, (or chain of chips,) one clock
>> line to all chips, and one CS *per* chip.
>>
>> Only the chip that has an active CS will accept the data, all others will
>> ignore it.
>>
>> (And again, if you have different chips, CS may be active high for some
>> and active low for others.)
>>
>> See the wikipedia page I pointed to before and a few links from it.
>>
>> --
>> Roberto Waltman
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From raysot at comcast.net  Thu Mar  3 22:06:08 2011
From: raysot at comcast.net (Ray Sotkiewicz)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 22:06:08 -0800
Subject: [simpits-tech] Air-core driver  (Was:  Arduino, Part Deaux...)
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That 16x2 LCD panel is invaluable for seeing all your programs' VARs in 
the Arduino...

http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9395




On 3/3/2011 8:14 PM, Rick Davis wrote:
> he he
>
> R
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Sotkiewicz"<raysot at comcast.net>
> To:<simpits-tech at simpits.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Air-core driver (Was: Arduino, Part Deaux...)
>
>
>> Roberto, you are the MAN!
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1krpXFGASQ
>>
>> I simply reversed my bitwise AND operation to start with the MSB and
>> viola!
>>
>> Thank you so much!
>>
>> Gene.. I don't need no stinking H-Bridge! ;-)
>> Ray
>>
>>
>> On 3/3/2011 1:48 PM, Roberto Waltman wrote:
>>> On Tue, February 22, 2011 5:08 pm, raysot at comcast.net wrote:
>>>> Gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelet I guess.
>>>>
>>>> Now, for the serial plan... What I hope for is to have a single data
>>>> line
>>>> shared by all CS4122 chips , with multiple CLK lines. (One per chip)
>>>>
>>> No, that would be the wrong omelet.
>>>
>>> The SPI way is one data line to all chips, (or chain of chips,) one clock
>>> line to all chips, and one CS *per* chip.
>>>
>>> Only the chip that has an active CS will accept the data, all others will
>>> ignore it.
>>>
>>> (And again, if you have different chips, CS may be active high for some
>>> and active low for others.)
>>>
>>> See the wikipedia page I pointed to before and a few links from it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Roberto Waltman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Simpits-tech at simpits.org
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>>> page.  Thanks!
>>>
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Mar  4 06:03:37 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 06:03:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Air-core driver  (Was:  Arduino, Part Deaux...)
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On Thu, 3 Mar 2011, Ray Sotkiewicz wrote:

> Roberto, you are the MAN!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1krpXFGASQ
>
> I simply reversed my bitwise AND operation to start with the MSB and viola!
>
> Thank you so much!
>
> Gene.. I don't need no stinking H-Bridge! ;-)

No, you just need some crazy good eyesight and a 12 year old with no hand 
tremor to solder up the parts. :)

g.

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From fsim at rwaltman.com  Fri Mar  4 07:18:44 2011
From: fsim at rwaltman.com (fsim at rwaltman.com)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 10:18:44 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Air-core driver  (Was:  Arduino, Part Deaux...)
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Ray Sotkiewicz wrote:
> Roberto, you are the MAN!

Glad I could help.

> ... reversed my bitwise AND ... and viola!

Viola da Gamba?  Are you driving the bow with an aircore? ;)

R.



From bjones at pipecomp.com.au  Sat Mar  5 23:34:21 2011
From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (bjones at pipecomp.com.au)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 15:34:21 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Video Montage of my fullsize build
In-Reply-To: <20110304101844.12253wz1uml7v4d0@webmail.rwaltman.com>
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Hi guy's,

Whilst i still lurk around in the list, (and watch Gene's shopbot porn on
YT) I have not done any work on a Sim for years,

I have been working on my own full sized aircraft, A long project with a
even longer time span to the completion date, 

A threw together a video montage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajoN_z_nPJ8
 
 
Regards
 
Ben
West Oz

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun Mar  6 08:14:55 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 08:14:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Video Montage of my fullsize build
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On Sun, 6 Mar 2011, bjones at pipecomp.com.au wrote:

> Hi guy's,
>
> Whilst i still lurk around in the list, (and watch Gene's shopbot porn on
> YT) I have not done any work on a Sim for years,
>
> I have been working on my own full sized aircraft, A long project with a
> even longer time span to the completion date,
>
> A threw together a video montage
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajoN_z_nPJ8
>
That's pretty cool.  Where does the rubber band go? :)

g.

-- 
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ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
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holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd
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From echotech1452 at gmail.com  Sun Mar  6 12:19:32 2011
From: echotech1452 at gmail.com (delor lauchang)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 12:19:32 -0800
Subject: [simpits-tech] Video Montage of my fullsize build
In-Reply-To: <040a01cbdbd0$e8c07a80$ba416f80$@com.au>
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this is awesome work, cant wait to see it fly.

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 11:34 PM, <bjones at pipecomp.com.au> wrote:

> Hi guy's,
>
> Whilst i still lurk around in the list, (and watch Gene's shopbot porn on
> YT) I have not done any work on a Sim for years,
>
> I have been working on my own full sized aircraft, A long project with a
> even longer time span to the completion date,
>
> A threw together a video montage
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajoN_z_nPJ8
>
>
> Regards
>
> Ben
> West Oz
> _______________________________________________
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From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com  Sun Mar  6 16:11:56 2011
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 13:11:56 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] TCW to DXF?
Message-ID: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBD0DC28@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>

Does anyone have a solution for converting turbocad files for use is
autocad?  Got some old tcw files here that I want to have a peek at..

 

SeanG

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun Mar  6 15:44:38 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 15:44:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] TCW to DXF?
In-Reply-To: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBD0DC28@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>
References: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBD0DC28@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>
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On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Sean Galbraith wrote:

> Does anyone have a solution for converting turbocad files for use is
> autocad?  Got some old tcw files here that I want to have a peek at..
>
You might want to try downloading the free edition of TurboCAD and see if 
you can re-save them as DXF.

g.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun Mar  6 15:58:15 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 15:58:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] hall effect pot replacement...
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103061554370.4145@grumble.deltasoft.com>


The video shows a test rig I built that uses an Allegro A1302 hall effect 
device.  The idea is to build a drop-in replacement for any 
voltage-dividing potentiometer application.  It's crazy simple to build.

http://www.youtube.com/v/CVRjqvjV6_I&hl

You can buy the A1302 from Jameco for about $1.30 each.  They take 5V in 
and spit out a 0..5V signal based on the position of two opposing magnets.


g.
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Mon Mar  7 04:59:52 2011
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 12:59:52 +0000
Subject: [simpits-tech] hall effect pot replacement...
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On 6 March 2011 23:58, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:

>
> The video shows a test rig I built that uses an Allegro A1302 hall effect
> device.  The idea is to build a drop-in replacement for any
> voltage-dividing potentiometer application.  It's crazy simple to build.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/v/CVRjqvjV6_I&hl
>
> You can buy the A1302 from Jameco for about $1.30 each.  They take 5V in
> and spit out a 0..5V signal based on the position of two opposing magnets.
>


And you can plug these directly into one of Leo Bodnar's boards for an
instant joystick axis.

What's the orientation/type of the magnets in your setup Gene?

Very cool.

Roy.
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Mar  7 05:38:57 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 05:38:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] hall effect pot replacement...
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On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Roy Coates wrote:

> On 6 March 2011 23:58, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The video shows a test rig I built that uses an Allegro A1302 hall effect
>> device.  The idea is to build a drop-in replacement for any
>> voltage-dividing potentiometer application.  It's crazy simple to build.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/v/CVRjqvjV6_I&hl
>>
>> You can buy the A1302 from Jameco for about $1.30 each.  They take 5V in
>> and spit out a 0..5V signal based on the position of two opposing magnets.
>>
>
>
> And you can plug these directly into one of Leo Bodnar's boards for an
> instant joystick axis.
>
> What's the orientation/type of the magnets in your setup Gene?
>
Thanks Roy.  The magnets are set up as N-S.  If they want to snap together 
through the pen body, you've got them oriented correctly.

g.

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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Mon Mar  7 08:12:59 2011
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 16:12:59 +0000
Subject: [simpits-tech] hall effect pot replacement...
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On 7 March 2011 13:38, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:

> >
> Thanks Roy.  The magnets are set up as N-S.  If they want to snap together
> through the pen body, you've got them oriented correctly.
>
>
What kinda maggynets are you using?  Any particular spec?

Also... would this device work with a single magnet - based on its distance
from it?

Roy.
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Mar  7 07:46:58 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 07:46:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] hall effect pot replacement...
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On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Roy Coates wrote:

> On 7 March 2011 13:38, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>> Thanks Roy.  The magnets are set up as N-S.  If they want to snap together
>> through the pen body, you've got them oriented correctly.
>>
>>
> What kinda maggynets are you using?  Any particular spec?
>
I'm using .25" x .25" x .100" Neodymium Iron-Boron magnets.  I bought them 
from Magcraft: http://www.rare-earth-magnets.com/p-28-nsn0610.aspx

I also have some of these: http://www.rare-earth-magnets.com/p-6-nsn0566.aspx
I will give these a shot at some point as well.

> Also... would this device work with a single magnet - based on its distance
> from it?
A single magnet rotating around it may work, but I think the performance 
is improved by saturating the device the way I'm doing it.

g.

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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Mon Mar  7 08:34:04 2011
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 16:34:04 +0000
Subject: [simpits-tech] hall effect pot replacement...
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On 7 March 2011 15:46, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:

> >
> I'm using .25" x .25" x .100" Neodymium Iron-Boron magnets.  I bought them
> from Magcraft: http://www.rare-earth-magnets.com/p-28-nsn0610.aspx
>
> I also have some of these:
> http://www.rare-earth-magnets.com/p-6-nsn0566.aspx
> I will give these a shot at some point as well.
>
> > Also... would this device work with a single magnet - based on its
> distance
> > from it?
> A single magnet rotating around it may work, but I think the performance
> is improved by saturating the device the way I'm doing it.
>


Well, I've got both on order now so I can play to my hearts content when
they arrive.

I've got to make a very nice stick from a pukka sim work (cheaply) and this
looks like an ideal solution.

Ta !

Roy.
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Mar  7 08:25:35 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 08:25:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] hall effect pot replacement...
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On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Roy Coates wrote:

>>> Also... would this device work with a single magnet - based on its
>> distance
>>> from it?
>> A single magnet rotating around it may work, but I think the performance
>> is improved by saturating the device the way I'm doing it.
>>
>
>
> Well, I've got both on order now so I can play to my hearts content when
> they arrive.
>
> I've got to make a very nice stick from a pukka sim work (cheaply) and this
> looks like an ideal solution.
>
Cool.  Make sure you take pics. :)

g.

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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Mon Mar  7 11:11:50 2011
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 19:11:50 +0000
Subject: [simpits-tech] hall effect pot replacement...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103070825190.3427@grumble.deltasoft.com>
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On 7 March 2011 16:25, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:

> >
> > I've got to make a very nice stick from a pukka sim work (cheaply) and
> this
> > looks like an ideal solution.
> >
> Cool.  Make sure you take pics. :)
>
>

Hmm... I don't think I want the world to see how crap my botch-job will look
in such a nice stick !!
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Mar  7 11:19:16 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 11:19:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] hall effect pot replacement...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimxZKbOL9vALqvMPpQjV9CKDyVgugdfrkwXFqt5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103061554370.4145@grumble.deltasoft.com>
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On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Roy Coates wrote:

> On 7 March 2011 16:25, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I've got to make a very nice stick from a pukka sim work (cheaply) and
>> this
>>> looks like an ideal solution.
>>>
>> Cool.  Make sure you take pics. :)
>>
>>
>
> Hmm... I don't think I want the world to see how crap my botch-job will look
> in such a nice stick !!
>
Bah, nobody cares as long as it works. :)

g.


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From raysot at comcast.net  Mon Mar  7 22:34:56 2011
From: raysot at comcast.net (Ray Sotkiewicz)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 22:34:56 -0800
Subject: [simpits-tech] Air-core driver  (Phase 3)
In-Reply-To: <20110304101844.12253wz1uml7v4d0@webmail.rwaltman.com>
References: <574241537.1290665.1298412497804.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>	<9ffee1f235a31a42afabb6991a02406d.squirrel@webmail.rwaltman.com>	<4D706392.5010606@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <4D75CE10.7060806@comcast.net>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdmeDlyIums

Connecting FS(X) flight data to the Arduino micro-controller. The Needle 
looks 'jumpy' because there's no filtering algorithm yet and my angular 
resolution is also not filtered. Filtering is the next step which will 
give the needle a silky-smooth movement.
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue Mar  8 04:50:37 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 04:50:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Air-core driver  (Phase 3)
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On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Ray Sotkiewicz wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdmeDlyIums
>
> Connecting FS(X) flight data to the Arduino micro-controller. The Needle 
> looks 'jumpy' because there's no filtering algorithm yet and my angular 
> resolution is also not filtered. Filtering is the next step which will give 
> the needle a silky-smooth movement.
>
Very nice!

g.

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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Wed Mar  9 02:42:32 2011
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 10:42:32 +0000
Subject: [simpits-tech] hall effect pot replacement...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103071119050.9335@grumble.deltasoft.com>
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On 7 March 2011 19:19, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:


> > Hmm... I don't think I want the world to see how crap my botch-job will
> look
> > in such a nice stick !!
> >
> Bah, nobody cares as long as it works. :)
>
>
Some basic pic's of the stick (and main panel) are here:
http://www.spang.org/tornado/

Roy.
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed Mar  9 05:40:43 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 05:40:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] hall effect pot replacement...
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On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Roy Coates wrote:

> On 7 March 2011 19:19, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> Hmm... I don't think I want the world to see how crap my botch-job will
>> look
>>> in such a nice stick !!
>>>
>> Bah, nobody cares as long as it works. :)
>>
>>
> Some basic pic's of the stick (and main panel) are here:
> http://www.spang.org/tornado/
>
Wow, there's not much travel in that stick, is there?

g.

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From joab_ryan at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  9 08:04:21 2011
From: joab_ryan at yahoo.com (joab ryan)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:04:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] thrustmaster for sale
Message-ID: <726547.65671.qm@web161211.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

http://cgi.ebay.com/Thrustmaster-Couger-Joystick-Stock-no-upgrades-/260747332144?pt=PCA_Joysticks_Game_Controllers&hash=item3cb5c08a30

Couger Joystick
just saw it, anyone is looking for one.
?Joab Ryan
Mechanical CAD Designer,
Network Administrator &
Military Aircraft Sim Builder
North Texas USA 


      

From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Wed Mar  9 13:23:20 2011
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 21:23:20 +0000
Subject: [simpits-tech] hall effect pot replacement...
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On 9 March 2011 13:40, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:

> >
> Wow, there's not much travel in that stick, is there?
>
>
Nope. The original setup used dual LVDT's for each axis. Beautifully
engineered, I almost cried ripping it all out.

It's the small movement (and lack of internal space) that makes me so
interested in the HE devices. Plus of course, should last a long long time!

Wait for the pics of the throttle/vector control!  That's a different animal
altogether!

Got a set of rudder pedals coming from a Jet Provost which makes that aspect
of the job a lot easier too.
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From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com  Wed Mar  9 13:24:00 2011
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:24:00 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] thrustmaster for sale
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I bought a "worn out" Cougar last year for $60 Australian, all it needs
is a set of pots and one hat switch, apart from that it is in mint
condition... which reminds me:  Where do I get pots from?  I tried a
website that was selling cougar parts, but never got a reply :-(

 

SeanG

 

 

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http://cgi.ebay.com/Thrustmaster-Couger-Joystick-Stock-no-upgrades-/2607
47332144?pt=PCA_Joysticks_Game_Controllers&hash=item3cb5c08a30

Couger Joystick
just saw it, anyone is looking for one.
 Joab Ryan
Mechanical CAD Designer,
Network Administrator &
Military Aircraft Sim Builder
North Texas USA


     
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed Mar  9 12:28:38 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 12:28:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] hall effect pot replacement...
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On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Roy Coates wrote:

> On 9 March 2011 13:40, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>> Wow, there's not much travel in that stick, is there?
>>
>>
> Nope. The original setup used dual LVDT's for each axis. Beautifully
> engineered, I almost cried ripping it all out.
>
Oh jeeze.  It's my understanding that it's pretty easy to coax data out of 
LVDTs though.  You should've asked the F-16 geeks on the list, I'm sure 
they've solved that.

g.

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ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
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http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical
minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which
holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd
by the clean end.

From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Wed Mar  9 13:52:57 2011
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 21:52:57 +0000
Subject: [simpits-tech] hall effect pot replacement...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103091227540.3394@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103061554370.4145@grumble.deltasoft.com>
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On 9 March 2011 20:28, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:


> Oh jeeze.  It's my understanding that it's pretty easy to coax data out of
> LVDTs though.  You should've asked the F-16 geeks on the list, I'm sure
> they've solved that.
>
>
I did ask some time ago. The preferred method relied on finding a used
interface which even at Evilbay prices was too rich for the project.

As always - I don't have a budget as such, I just beg and plead until the
sucker is finished.
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From david at allen1.net  Wed Mar  9 14:18:51 2011
From: david at allen1.net (David C. Allen)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 15:18:51 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Schaevitz ATA 2001 LVDT Signal Conditioner was Re:
 hall effect pot replacement...
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From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  9 17:43:17 2011
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:43:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] New sim video
Message-ID: <656902.98525.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

We had a?recent event where a private group of fifty went through our sims. 
?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIo06Q6Aaj4&feature=player_embedded


Has anybody here managed to fabricate a functional g suit system yet? That is on 
my 2011 to-do list.
Justin
www.SimAdventure.com?


      
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed Mar  9 19:06:48 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 19:06:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] New sim video
In-Reply-To: <656902.98525.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <656902.98525.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103091906190.15270@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Justin Messenger wrote:

> We had a?recent event where a private group of fifty went through our sims. 
> ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIo06Q6Aaj4&feature=player_embedded
>
>
> Has anybody here managed to fabricate a functional g suit system yet? 
> That is on my 2011 to-do list. Justin www.SimAdventure.com?
Ask Matt W.  He's built one in his setup.  Scared the living hell out of a 
local radio guy with it. :)

g.

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From raysot at comcast.net  Wed Mar  9 20:08:00 2011
From: raysot at comcast.net (Ray Sotkiewicz)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 20:08:00 -0800
Subject: [simpits-tech] Air-core driver & Arduino...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103040602590.23634@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <574241537.1290665.1298412497804.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>	<9ffee1f235a31a42afabb6991a02406d.squirrel@webmail.rwaltman.com>	<4D706392.5010606@comcast.net>
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Success!! :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JGj4FySnY8

From fsim at rwaltman.com  Wed Mar  9 20:15:26 2011
From: fsim at rwaltman.com (Roberto Waltman)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 23:15:26 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Air-core driver & Arduino...
In-Reply-To: <4D784EA0.5080300@comcast.net>
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Ray Sotkiewicz wrote:
> Success!! :-)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JGj4FySnY8

Looks nice. I guess from the steadiness of the LEDs that you are using a 
faster clock rate also, that should contribute to the smooth movement.

R.

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed Mar  9 19:21:55 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 19:21:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Air-core driver & Arduino...
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On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Ray Sotkiewicz wrote:

> Success!! :-)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JGj4FySnY8

\o/

g.

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From raysot at comcast.net  Wed Mar  9 20:24:24 2011
From: raysot at comcast.net (Ray Sotkiewicz)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 20:24:24 -0800
Subject: [simpits-tech] Air-core driver & Arduino...
In-Reply-To: <4D78505E.1030203@rwaltman.com>
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I've got the Arduino ramped up as fast as it will go... I found that a 
384uS delay in the Serial data between CLK IN and DATA IN provides just 
enough software dampening to make it realistic.  384uS is enough room as 
well to logically add more gauges to the same card.


On 3/9/2011 8:15 PM, Roberto Waltman wrote:
> Ray Sotkiewicz wrote:
>> Success!! :-)
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JGj4FySnY8
> Looks nice. I guess from the steadiness of the LEDs that you are using a
> faster clock rate also, that should contribute to the smooth movement.
>
> R.
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From francisco at picornell.net  Thu Mar 10 04:13:19 2011
From: francisco at picornell.net (Francisco Picornell)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:13:19 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] New sim video
In-Reply-To: <656902.98525.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <656902.98525.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2C17B3AB-7B59-4FC2-8286-01A562EAEA7F@picornell.net>

Very impressive!!!!! Great work!

Sent by Kiko

On Mar 9, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Justin Messenger <jjmessenger at yahoo.com> wrote:

> We had a recent event where a private group of fifty went through our sims. 
>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIo06Q6Aaj4&feature=player_embedded
>  
>  
> Has anybody here managed to fabricate a functional g suit system yet? That is on my 2011 to-do list.
> Justin
> www.SimAdventure.com 
> 
> 
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From phoenixcomm at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 10:37:01 2011
From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:37:01 -0600
Subject: [simpits-tech] F- 4 Phantom Aircraft throttle quadrant levers
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=xDJWXb-kN05Ri5M=vcM3nVD3BuEc0voP72E9f@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys I just found these *F- 4 Phantom Aircraft throttle quadrant leversthey
are only the levers they look like they where cut off from the bottom lever.

http://cgi.ebay.com/F-4-Phantom-Aircraft-throttle-quadrant-levers-/150574052927?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230ee9b63f
*

Regards

Cris H.







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From lpclay at comcast.net  Thu Mar 10 23:16:07 2011
From: lpclay at comcast.net (Loren)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 07:16:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Coming soon to a simpit in your area ??
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I just saw this article in a tech magazine e-mail and thought of the simpit of the near future... Fujitsu Emerald-L MCU supports 360? wrap-around display 


http :// www . elektor .com/news/fujitsu-emerald-l-mcu-supports-360-wrap-around.1737234. lynkx 



Ok , who's the techie that can wire this thing ??? 



Loren
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Mar 11 05:04:09 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 05:04:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] From Dassault Systems...
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103110502530.14349@grumble.deltasoft.com>

DraftSight - a free 2D CAD package that will handle up to AutoCAD 2010 DWG 
format files. (writes & reads)

http://www.3ds.com/products/draftsight/free-cad-software

g.


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From phoenixcomm at gmail.com  Wed Mar 16 14:11:31 2011
From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:11:31 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] my com stack
Message-ID: <4D812783.9030604@gmail.com>

oh well have you fought will your control heads, and the crazy pin-outs?
well I started building my radio stack I found on eBay a Gables G-4390 
with a yellow tag! I paid about 30 bucks including shipping.  The bad 
news is the connectors is going to set me back another 100 bucks or more.
Onwards well this is what i found out the each of the 4 heads, 2 nav, 
and 2 com, have 5 pins per digit, this is the 2 of 5 code.

This is the article that I wrote:
http://simpits.wetpaint.com/page/2+of+5+Code
I am also putting this into the Wikipedia

The control head has 5 groups of 5 plus I added a status to monitor the 
on-off, and test switches,
so you need a bus with 6 groups of 5 data lines ( since most computers 
use 8 bits, just pull the 3 unused lines up. a great part for this is a 
74LS125 or 126 (quad bus buffers)  they have tri-state outputs.
you can select the output group with a  74LS138 (3 of 8) decoder and if 
you need more selects you can chain this part and its great for this 
application as it want low active inputs.

then do a little code to read and write your port. tada.

Enjoy
Cris H.
phoenixcomm.net/~phnx2000/sim
phoenixaerospace.us

more later



From raysot at comcast.net  Fri Mar 18 21:38:51 2011
From: raysot at comcast.net (Ray Sotkiewicz)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:38:51 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Arduino Gauges...
In-Reply-To: <4D843322.1020908@comcast.net>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103110502530.14349@grumble.deltasoft.com>
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> Looking good....
>
> http://anthonyscott.zenfolio.com/misc/h5247210#h5247210
>
>


From brian at sikkema.us  Fri Mar 18 21:56:51 2011
From: brian at sikkema.us (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 13:56:51 +0900
Subject: [simpits-tech] Anyone used FaceTrack?
Message-ID: <4D843793.2000606@sikkema.us>

http://facetracknoir.sourceforge.net/home/default.htm

Just came across this today. It's like TrackIR, but rather than tracking 
some IR device, it actually just tracks your face!

Might just have to give this a shot.... It's free, so no risk! It would 
be very cool if it does work as advertised.

Brian

From Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com  Fri Mar 18 23:39:51 2011
From: Sean.Galbraith at pacificsimulators.com (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 19:39:51 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Anyone used FaceTrack?
In-Reply-To: <4D843793.2000606@sikkema.us>
References: <4D843793.2000606@sikkema.us>
Message-ID: <2FB39A1077E2CC48BD7ECF1A3C363FEBD0DCAA@PS-CH1.pacsim.local>

Just had a quick look at it, and with the FS2004 protocol (using FSUIPC)
it seems to work pretty well.. I need to put it on something better than
ye olde laptop to really try it out though.

 

It handles yaw pitch and roll really well, and looks like it supports
XYZ movement as well.. interesting find!

 

SeanG

________________________________

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[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Brian Sikkema
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Subject: [simpits-tech] Anyone used FaceTrack?

 

http://facetracknoir.sourceforge.net/home/default.htm

Just came across this today. It's like TrackIR, but rather than tracking
some IR device, it actually just tracks your face!

Might just have to give this a shot.... It's free, so no risk! It would
be very cool if it does work as advertised.

Brian
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sat Mar 19 06:29:22 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 06:29:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Arduino Gauges...
In-Reply-To: <4D84335B.8050304@comcast.net>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103110502530.14349@grumble.deltasoft.com>
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Ray Sotkiewicz wrote:

>
>> Looking good....
>>
>> http://anthonyscott.zenfolio.com/misc/h5247210#h5247210

Very nice!

g.

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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sat Mar 19 06:32:38 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 06:32:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Anyone used FaceTrack?
In-Reply-To: <4D843793.2000606@sikkema.us>
References: <4D843793.2000606@sikkema.us>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103190631520.17012@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Sat, 19 Mar 2011, Brian Sikkema wrote:

> http://facetracknoir.sourceforge.net/home/default.htm
>
> Just came across this today. It's like TrackIR, but rather than tracking
> some IR device, it actually just tracks your face!
>
I'd heard murmuring about this, but I didn't realize they were this far 
along.  I'll have to check it out at some point.  Thanks for the link 
Brian!

g.


-- 
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical
minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which
holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd
by the clean end.

From rd at ns.sympatico.ca  Sat Mar 19 07:18:33 2011
From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 11:18:33 -0300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Anyone used FaceTrack?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103190631520.17012@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <4D843793.2000606@sikkema.us>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1103190631520.17012@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <98A5B2BA1E8245FC9F0334BAB4CEDE0C@RickPC>

> On Sat, 19 Mar 2011, Brian Sikkema wrote:
>
>> http://facetracknoir.sourceforge.net/home/default.htm
>>
>> Just came across this today. It's like TrackIR, but rather than tracking
>> some IR device, it actually just tracks your face!
>>
> I'd heard murmuring about this, but I didn't realize they were this far
> along.  I'll have to check it out at some point.  Thanks for the link
> Brian!
>
> g.
>
 That is pretty cool, but is this for a set of LCD goggles or something? If 
you are using a single monitor and you turn your head to look out the side 
window, obviously, you won't be able to see the screen. And if you are using 
a set up like Gene's, you don't need it anyway.

??


From brian at sikkema.us  Sat Mar 19 17:01:40 2011
From: brian at sikkema.us (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 09:01:40 +0900
Subject: [simpits-tech] Anyone used FaceTrack?
In-Reply-To: <98A5B2BA1E8245FC9F0334BAB4CEDE0C@RickPC>
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	<98A5B2BA1E8245FC9F0334BAB4CEDE0C@RickPC>
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>   That is pretty cool, but is this for a set of LCD goggles or something? If
> you are using a single monitor and you turn your head to look out the side
> window, obviously, you won't be able to see the screen. And if you are using
> a set up like Gene's, you don't need it anyway.
>
No, it's for a regular monitor, it's just using your head as a 
controller. My understanding is you're not turning your head all that 
far - just enough to make it understand you're looking 
left/right/up/down etc.

I don't have a webcam on my PC at the moment so I haven't had a chance 
to try it out yet. Will definitely be giving it a shot soon!

Brian

From rd at ns.sympatico.ca  Sat Mar 19 17:11:00 2011
From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 21:11:00 -0300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Anyone used FaceTrack?
In-Reply-To: <4D8543E4.4060502@sikkema.us>
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	<4D8543E4.4060502@sikkema.us>
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> No, it's for a regular monitor, it's just using your head as a
> controller. My understanding is you're not turning your head all that
> far - just enough to make it understand you're looking
> left/right/up/down etc.
>
> I don't have a webcam on my PC at the moment so I haven't had a chance
> to try it out yet. Will definitely be giving it a shot soon!
>
> Brian
> _______________________________________________

I don't want a web cam on my PC Brian! LOL

But I suppose you can adjust the sensitivity of it all. If you check it out, 
please let us know how it works.

Rick 


From brian at sikkema.us  Tue Mar 22 04:06:26 2011
From: brian at sikkema.us (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:06:26 +0900
Subject: [simpits-tech] One less Mud Hen
Message-ID: <4D8882B2.6030205@sikkema.us>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/8397634/Libya-American-fighter-jet-crash-lands-in-field-near-Benghazi.html

Thank goodness it sounds like the crew made it out ok!! I'm very curious 
as to what the cause was - they're saying it was a mechanical failure, 
not hostile fire... but you never know.

Brian

From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Tue Mar 22 05:24:44 2011
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:24:44 +0000
Subject: [simpits-tech] One less Mud Hen
In-Reply-To: <4D8882B2.6030205@sikkema.us>
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On 22 March 2011 11:06, Brian Sikkema <brian at sikkema.us> wrote:

>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/8397634/Libya-American-fighter-jet-crash-lands-in-field-near-Benghazi.html
>
> Thank goodness it sounds like the crew made it out ok!! I'm very curious
> as to what the cause was - they're saying it was a mechanical failure,
> not hostile fire... but you never know.
>


That guy at the back, the one with the grey beard... I'm sure that's gene
scavenging for parts...



gd&r very very quickly.
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue Mar 22 05:40:18 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 05:40:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] One less Mud Hen
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011, Brian Sikkema wrote:

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/8397634/Libya-American-fighter-jet-crash-lands-in-field-near-Benghazi.html
>
> Thank goodness it sounds like the crew made it out ok!! I'm very curious
> as to what the cause was - they're saying it was a mechanical failure,
> not hostile fire... but you never know.
>
I'm glad they got out ok.  I also hope (for their sake) it was mechanical, 
otherwise they'll go down in history as the crew that ruined the F-15's 
perfect win/loss record. :)

g.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue Mar 22 05:43:22 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 05:43:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] One less Mud Hen
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=vZhkQ8zf9KbNT7CZ1FiA7wpNsK4BdstxH8p1L@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011, Roy Coates wrote:

> On 22 March 2011 11:06, Brian Sikkema <brian at sikkema.us> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/8397634/Libya-American-fighter-jet-crash-lands-in-field-near-Benghazi.html
>>
>> Thank goodness it sounds like the crew made it out ok!! I'm very curious
>> as to what the cause was - they're saying it was a mechanical failure,
>> not hostile fire... but you never know.
>>
> That guy at the back, the one with the grey beard... I'm sure that's gene
> scavenging for parts...
>
...wouldn't be the first time. :)

She impacted pretty flat though.  That flattening you see is more due to 
impact force than the post-crash fire.  I've seen a MiG in similar shape 
that didn't burn.  It looked like someone pressed it in a can smasher.

g.


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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue Mar 22 07:48:17 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 07:48:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15 accident page....
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103220746570.27989@grumble.deltasoft.com>

Brian pointed me to the Wikipedia entry on F-15 losses.  Turns out '0007 
is the first one on the list. :)  It needed a citation, so I scanned the 
first three pages from the accident report and put the PDF online.  You 
can find it here:

http://www.f15sim.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/80-0007-accident-report.pdf

g.


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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical
minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which
holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd
by the clean end.

From brian at sikkema.us  Thu Mar 24 02:58:34 2011
From: brian at sikkema.us (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:58:34 +0900
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15 accident page....
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103220746570.27989@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103220746570.27989@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <4D8B15CA.5040609@sikkema.us>

On 3/22/2011 11:48 PM, Gene Buckle wrote:
> Brian pointed me to the Wikipedia entry on F-15 losses.  Turns out '0007
> is the first one on the list. :)  It needed a citation, so I scanned the
> first three pages from the accident report and put the PDF online.  You
> can find it here:
>
> http://www.f15sim.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/80-0007-accident-report.pdf
>
> g.
>
>
Interesting! Did you see the time on the engines vs. the time on the 
airframe? They must run quite a checkout on them before and after 
installation!

Brian


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar 24 06:58:43 2011
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:58:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15 accident page....
In-Reply-To: <4D8B15CA.5040609@sikkema.us>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103220746570.27989@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<4D8B15CA.5040609@sikkema.us>
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2011, Brian Sikkema wrote:

> On 3/22/2011 11:48 PM, Gene Buckle wrote:
>> Brian pointed me to the Wikipedia entry on F-15 losses.  Turns out '0007
>> is the first one on the list. :)  It needed a citation, so I scanned the
>> first three pages from the accident report and put the PDF online.  You
>> can find it here:
>>
>> http://www.f15sim.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/80-0007-accident-report.pdf
>>
>> g.
>>
>>
> Interesting! Did you see the time on the engines vs. the time on the
> airframe? They must run quite a checkout on them before and after
> installation!
>
Yep.  Maybe they require some kind of "run-in" before they're allowed to 
be used in active duty aircraft...

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical
minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which
holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd
by the clean end.