From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 1 10:43:45 2011 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 10:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... Message-ID: Get a load of this: http://www.betainnovations.ca/forum/ "customers of current run", indeed. Anyone know more about this? g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. From frank at rezultat.dk Wed Jun 1 10:56:07 2011 From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 19:56:07 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yea, it for exclusive 10-15 persons that ordere the last run of he's product.... It's DEAD I spoke to Kukki - he's my Danish Friend and a high end user of Betainnovation product... So.... IT's Nothing /Frank 2011/6/1 Gene Buckle > > Get a load of this: > > http://www.betainnovations.ca/forum/ > > "customers of current run", indeed. > > Anyone know more about this? > > g. > > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project > > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment > A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. > http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! > > Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical > minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which > holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd > by the clean end. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -- *Kindly Regards* *Rezultat* *Frank Riedel* Cell: +45 2424 4169 www.rezultat.dk www.f16simulator.com *YouTube VideoChannel* www.youtube.com/REZULTATdk www.youtube.com/F16SIMULATORcom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20110601/09322caa/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 1 10:59:36 2011 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 10:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Jun 2011, Frank Riedel wrote: > Yea, it for exclusive 10-15 persons that ordere the last run of he's > product.... > It's DEAD > > I spoke to Kukki - he's my Danish Friend and a high end user of > Betainnovation product... > > So.... IT's Nothing > Figures. I'm reminded of the "Bring out your dead!" bit by Monty Python... Thanks for the update Frank. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. From raysot at comcast.net Wed Jun 1 12:36:46 2011 From: raysot at comcast.net (raysot at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 19:36:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1779332995.1349122.1306957006718.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> What was the text? I'm a bI user but I don't appear to have forum access... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2011 10:43:45 AM Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... Get a load of this: http://www.betainnovations.ca/forum/ "customers of current run", indeed. Anyone know more about this? g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 1 12:45:16 2011 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 12:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: <1779332995.1349122.1306957006718.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1779332995.1349122.1306957006718.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Jun 2011, raysot at comcast.net wrote: > > What was the text? I'm a bI user but I don't appear to have forum access... > Apparently, if you're not a customer of the "last" run, you're not good enough to be granted access to the most holy BI forum...*rolls eyes* (yeah, I'm bitter. Can you tell?) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. From frank at rezultat.dk Wed Jun 1 12:50:06 2011 From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 21:50:06 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: References: <1779332995.1349122.1306957006718.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Right.... BUT - as i am informed (From an insider).... there is nothing in there !!!!! Frank 2011/6/1 Gene Buckle > On Wed, 1 Jun 2011, raysot at comcast.net wrote: > > > > > What was the text? I'm a bI user but I don't appear to have forum > access... > > > Apparently, if you're not a customer of the "last" run, you're not good > enough to be granted access to the most holy BI forum...*rolls eyes* > > (yeah, I'm bitter. Can you tell?) > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project > > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment > A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. > http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! > > Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical > minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which > holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd > by the clean end. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -- *Kindly Regards* *Rezultat* *Frank Riedel* Cell: +45 2424 4169 www.rezultat.dk www.f16simulator.com *YouTube VideoChannel* www.youtube.com/REZULTATdk www.youtube.com/F16SIMULATORcom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20110601/68f54c78/attachment.html From raysot at comcast.net Wed Jun 1 12:53:58 2011 From: raysot at comcast.net (raysot at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 19:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <19593921.1350090.1306958038072.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> hehehe.. maybe there's no customers of "the current run" :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Riedel" To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2011 12:50:06 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... Right.... BUT - as i am informed (From an insider).... there is nothing in there !!!!! Frank 2011/6/1 Gene Buckle < geneb at deltasoft.com > On Wed, 1 Jun 2011, raysot at comcast.net wrote: > > What was the text? I'm a bI user but I don't appear to have forum access... > Apparently, if you're not a customer of the "last" run, you're not good enough to be granted access to the most holy BI forum...*rolls eyes* (yeah, I'm bitter. Can you tell?) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! 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URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20110601/bbaf4650/attachment.html From rip3700 at charter.net Wed Jun 1 13:03:30 2011 From: rip3700 at charter.net (rip3700 at charter.net) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 16:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... Message-ID: <54531f09.4cf2.1304ccdc00e.Webtop.48@charter.net> About a year ago, a member of Viperpits talked Leo in making a special run for those who needed to finish/complete their BI pit needs. His prices went "skyhigh," an eflux was $1000, and he added some stuff he never had before, plus new software. He has done some of the stuff, but not all of it, I believe. He has no contact with the customers, except for that site and the person who talked him into the last run of boards, etc. I beleve that he has some contact with the race car sim people, but not the aircraft sim folks. Bob Phillips From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Thu Jun 2 05:28:34 2011 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 13:28:34 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does anyone know why Leo packed it all in? Although I never had any BI stuff, I only ever heard good things about them. Curious Roy. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20110602/eb57cc05/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Sat Jun 4 17:39:34 2011 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 17:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Today's collimating mirror test video... Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI6WPFQrghQ g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Jun 5 10:05:55 2011 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 10:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] First draw-down test of the full size mirror Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq30JMknmpg We finally had to walk away from it about 3am. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Jun 5 15:31:33 2011 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 15:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdr0-PVqjMk I can't wait to get a cockpit in there. :D g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. From david at allen1.net Mon Jun 6 11:03:37 2011 From: david at allen1.net (David C. Allen) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 12:03:37 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110606180347.64035328164@ns2.simpits.org> Gene and Company Great Work! David www.737FlightSim.com At 03:31 PM 6/5/2011 -0700, you wrote: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdr0-PVqjMk > >I can't wait to get a cockpit in there. :D > >g. > > >-- >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. >http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project > >ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment >A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. >http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! > >Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical >minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which >holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd >by the clean end. >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Jun 6 11:35:56 2011 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 11:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. In-Reply-To: <20110606180347.64035328164@ns2.simpits.org> References: <20110606180347.64035328164@ns2.simpits.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jun 2011, David C. Allen wrote: > Gene and Company > > Great Work! Thanks! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. From rene at ejection.nl Mon Jun 6 16:25:53 2011 From: rene at ejection.nl (Rene Koopman) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 01:25:53 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. In-Reply-To: References: <20110606180347.64035328164@ns2.simpits.org> Message-ID: <7F8018B36336694D81D4C60C9DD1E2C5014D1557D468@exchange.ejection.local> Test -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] Namens Gene Buckle Verzonden: maandag 6 juni 2011 20:36 Aan: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List Onderwerp: Re: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. On Mon, 6 Jun 2011, David C. Allen wrote: > Gene and Company > > Great Work! Thanks! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Mon Jun 6 16:32:35 2011 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 20:32:35 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. In-Reply-To: <7F8018B36336694D81D4C60C9DD1E2C5014D1557D468@exchange.ejection.local> References: <20110606180347.64035328164@ns2.simpits.org> <7F8018B36336694D81D4C60C9DD1E2C5014D1557D468@exchange.ejection.local> Message-ID: <397977F5D68D409CA7DF7A0B8501656C@RickPC> failed ... :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene Koopman" To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. > Test > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] Namens Gene Buckle > Verzonden: maandag 6 juni 2011 20:36 > Aan: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List > Onderwerp: Re: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. > > On Mon, 6 Jun 2011, David C. Allen wrote: > >> Gene and Company >> >> Great Work! > > Thanks! > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project > > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value > database for the masses, not the classes. > http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! > > Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical > minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which > holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd > by the clean end. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From rene at ejection.nl Mon Jun 6 16:38:24 2011 From: rene at ejection.nl (Rene Koopman) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 01:38:24 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. In-Reply-To: <397977F5D68D409CA7DF7A0B8501656C@RickPC> References: <20110606180347.64035328164@ns2.simpits.org> <7F8018B36336694D81D4C60C9DD1E2C5014D1557D468@exchange.ejection.local> <397977F5D68D409CA7DF7A0B8501656C@RickPC> Message-ID: <7F8018B36336694D81D4C60C9DD1E2C5014D1557D469@exchange.ejection.local> Yep must been. Finaly up to post again after so many years. Been lurking to long. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] Namens Rick Davis Verzonden: dinsdag 7 juni 2011 1:33 Aan: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List Onderwerp: Re: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. failed ... :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene Koopman" To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. > Test > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] Namens Gene Buckle > Verzonden: maandag 6 juni 2011 20:36 > Aan: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List > Onderwerp: Re: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. > > On Mon, 6 Jun 2011, David C. Allen wrote: > >> Gene and Company >> >> Great Work! > > Thanks! > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project > > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value > database for the masses, not the classes. > http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! > > Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical > minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which > holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd > by the clean end. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From bjones at pipecomp.com.au Tue Jun 7 01:31:45 2011 From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (bjones at pipecomp.com.au) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 16:31:45 +0800 (WST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <025e01cc24ed$5583eca0$008bc5e0$@com.au> Hey Gene, Ever thought about tossing the shop vac in the corner and using a quiet aircon compressor to "pull the vac" on the mylar sheet ?? It would be super quiet. Regards Ben West Oz >-----Original Message----- >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdr0-PVqjMk > >I can't wait to get a cockpit in there. :D > >g. >Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical >minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which >holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd >by the clean end. HaHa, Me thinks there is a good bumper sticker in that one ! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 7 05:35:58 2011 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 05:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. In-Reply-To: <025e01cc24ed$5583eca0$008bc5e0$@com.au> References: <025e01cc24ed$5583eca0$008bc5e0$@com.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, bjones at pipecomp.com.au wrote: > Hey Gene, > > Ever thought about tossing the shop vac in the corner and using a quiet > aircon compressor to "pull the vac" on the mylar sheet ?? > > It would be super quiet. > Ben, the shop vac will be pretty far away from the simulator when it's done - I may also isolate it in a muffle box of some kind. The bypass box will be located next to the shop vac so you won't hear the bleed air either. I'm going to try a 20' cable between the Arduino & the sensor port on the mirror to see how it goes. I don't want to go too far or I risk killing the input channels on the Arduino due to line impedance. I could also go the other way and have the bypass box near the mirror, but in a muffled housing that would damp out the sound. Wayne's setup will have the advantage of piping the vacuum source through a wall (the shop vac will be in his garage) so he won't have to go to the extremes I will in order to muffle the noise. The current setup requires nearly the full draw of the Fein Turbo III dust collector that I'm using and even with my 60gal air compressor going full tilt, I can't approach that amount of volume. The Fein will pull a 105" water column which is roughly equivalent to about 8in HG. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. From grt-simpits at rolf-id.nl Tue Jun 7 06:38:29 2011 From: grt-simpits at rolf-id.nl (Geert Rolf) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 15:38:29 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8cc.4dee29d5@www.simpits.org> Two new marketing spin-offs: -1- Collimated BBQs -2- Vacuum cleaners that closely sound like CFM-56 7Bxx (or P&W, RR, GE ... your choice) :) From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 7 07:17:33 2011 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 07:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. In-Reply-To: <8cc.4dee29d5@www.simpits.org> References: <8cc.4dee29d5@www.simpits.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Geert Rolf wrote: > > > Two new marketing spin-offs: > -1- Collimated BBQs > -2- Vacuum cleaners that closely sound like CFM-56 7Bxx > (or P&W, RR, GE ... your choice) > Hehehe. I checked the specs earlier today and the Fein is only putting out about 58db. I think later this summer it might be worth it to try melting steel with that mirror. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. From brian at sikkema.us Wed Jun 8 05:40:32 2011 From: brian at sikkema.us (Brian Sikkema) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 21:40:32 +0900 Subject: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. In-Reply-To: References: <025e01cc24ed$5583eca0$008bc5e0$@com.au> Message-ID: <4DEF6DC0.7070102@sikkema.us> > The current setup requires nearly the full draw of the Fein Turbo III dust > collector that I'm using and even with my 60gal air compressor going full > tilt, I can't approach that amount of volume. The Fein will pull a 105" > water column which is roughly equivalent to about 8in HG. Just spitballing here, but IIRC there's a fair amount of space behind the mirror, no? It seems if you could reduce that volume that maybe your vacuum requirements would be eased. Just thinking about our sim and how the mirror is set up, and the backing behind it matches the shape of the mirror pretty closely. I'm sure there are multiple reasons, but it stands to reason that one of them is to minimize the amount of volume you're drawing the vacuum on. Food for thought. Brian From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 8 06:31:13 2011 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 06:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. In-Reply-To: <4DEF6DC0.7070102@sikkema.us> References: <025e01cc24ed$5583eca0$008bc5e0$@com.au> <4DEF6DC0.7070102@sikkema.us> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Brian Sikkema wrote: > >> The current setup requires nearly the full draw of the Fein Turbo III dust >> collector that I'm using and even with my 60gal air compressor going full >> tilt, I can't approach that amount of volume. The Fein will pull a 105" >> water column which is roughly equivalent to about 8in HG. > Just spitballing here, but IIRC there's a fair amount of space behind > the mirror, no? It seems if you could reduce that volume that maybe your > vacuum requirements would be eased. > > Just thinking about our sim and how the mirror is set up, and the > backing behind it matches the shape of the mirror pretty closely. I'm > sure there are multiple reasons, but it stands to reason that one of > them is to minimize the amount of volume you're drawing the vacuum on. > It's not so much the volume as it is the vacuum required to stretch the Mylar in the desired shape. Commercial systems have a smaller space because they build the Mylar framework as a single monolithic assembly that is perfectly air tight. They can use a much smaller vacuum inlet that feeds a much lower CFM, but much higher draw vacuum pump. Because our system is very (comparatively) "leaky", it takes a pretty stout CFM rating to keep the mirror formed properly, but not that much actual draw (if that makes any sense). The max the Fein can pull is about 7.7PSI, which in the world of vacuum pumps is pretty weak. The tiny vacuum pump I bought to test with can pull 25 inHG (Fein can do about 8 inHG) or roughly 12psi. Unfortunately the small vacuum pump has such a low CFM rating that it can't overcome the system losses AND hold the mirror shape. We're going to be adding reinforcing ribs to the frame on Saturday to avoid deforming the back and we'll do some caulking & adjusting at that point to drop the losses as best we can. If I could afford it, I'd just build one out of fiberglass. That would be a pretty expensive undertaking though - especially when working with a plug mold that size. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. From cyplesma at aol.com Wed Jun 8 07:29:58 2011 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 10:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. In-Reply-To: References: <025e01cc24ed$5583eca0$008bc5e0$@com.au><4DEF6DC0.7070102@sikkema.us> Message-ID: <8CDF3FFAD2B8FB8-1DE0-5DB23@Webmail-d108.sysops.aol.com> On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Brian Sikkema wrote: > >> The current setup requires nearly the full draw of the Fein Turbo III dust >> collector that I'm using and even with my 60gal air compressor going full >> tilt, I can't approach that amount of volume. The Fein will pull a 105" >> water column which is roughly equivalent to about 8in HG. > Just spitballing here, but IIRC there's a fair amount of space behind > the mirror, no? It seems if you could reduce that volume that maybe your > vacuum requirements would be eased. > > Just thinking about our sim and how the mirror is set up, and the > backing behind it matches the shape of the mirror pretty closely. I'm > sure there are multiple reasons, but it stands to reason that one of > them is to minimize the amount of volume you're drawing the vacuum on. > It's not so much the volume as it is the vacuum required to stretch the Mylar in the desired shape. Commercial systems have a smaller space because they build the Mylar framework as a single monolithic assembly that is perfectly air tight. They can use a much smaller vacuum inlet that feeds a much lower CFM, but much higher draw vacuum pump. Because our system is very (comparatively) "leaky", it takes a pretty stout CFM rating to keep the mirror formed properly, but not that much actual draw (if that makes any sense). The max the Fein can pull is about 7.7PSI, which in the world of vacuum pumps is pretty weak. The tiny vacuum pump I bought to test with can pull 25 inHG (Fein can do about 8 inHG) or roughly 12psi. Unfortunately the small vacuum pump has such a low CFM rating that it can't overcome the system losses AND hold the mirror shape. We're going to be adding reinforcing ribs to the frame on Saturday to avoid deforming the back and we'll do some caulking & adjusting at that point to drop the losses as best we can. If I could afford it, I'd just build one out of fiberglass. That would be a pretty expensive undertaking though - especially when working with a plug mold that size. :) g. How about using fiberglass with this method: http://www.rqriley.com/frp-foam.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20110608/60d36a40/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 8 07:34:10 2011 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 07:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. In-Reply-To: <8CDF3FFAD2B8FB8-1DE0-5DB23@Webmail-d108.sysops.aol.com> References: <025e01cc24ed$5583eca0$008bc5e0$@com.au><4DEF6DC0.7070102@sikkema.us> <8CDF3FFAD2B8FB8-1DE0-5DB23@Webmail-d108.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, cyplesma at aol.com wrote: > If I could afford it, I'd just build one out of fiberglass. That would be > a pretty expensive undertaking though - especially when working with a > plug mold that size. :) > > g. > > > How about using fiberglass with this method: > > http://www.rqriley.com/frp-foam.htm > If I'm going to make the investment in materials and know-how to build one out of fiberglass, I'm going to make more than just one or two. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. From cyplesma at aol.com Wed Jun 8 07:49:30 2011 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 10:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Display walk-around. In-Reply-To: References: <025e01cc24ed$5583eca0$008bc5e0$@com.au><4DEF6DC0.7070102@sikkema.us><8CDF3FFAD2B8FB8-1DE0-5DB23@Webmail-d108.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDF40267B3B4AC-1DE0-5DFE1@Webmail-d108.sysops.aol.com> If I'm going to make the investment in materials and know-how to build one out of fiberglass, I'm going to make more than just one or two. :) g. don't blame ya there. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20110608/a10f535e/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Jun 9 07:17:58 2011 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Modeling software... Message-ID: I discovered a new parametric modeling tool from AutoDesk this morning called 123D. I think they've taken a page from the Dassault Systems DraftSight handbook because 123D is _free_. >From what I can tell, it's essentially a very easy to use version of Inventor. It includes the main (important!) features of Inventor including creating assemblies. Check it out: http://www.123dapp.com/ If I can figure out how to export flat patterns out of this thing, SketchUp is going to hit the round file. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. From dabigboy at cox.net Thu Jun 23 23:00:22 2011 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:00:22 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Level 7 helicopter simulator, spherical projection Message-ID: <20110624020022.KC19G.990825.imail@fed1rmwml44> This is just a quick brain-fart until I get back from vacation. Thanks to circumstances I will explain in a later post, I had a chance to get my grubby little simulator-loving paws on what apparently is the world's first FAA-approved level 7 helicopter simulator (technically an FTD, actually, no motion). It was approved in 2009, here's a press release: http://www.verticalmag.com/control/news/templates/?a=11612 The flight was AWESOME, I will post pics and a more detailed "flight report" later. :) The thing that struck me the most was the visual system. It is not a "traditional" collimated display. Simply (or not so simply), it was a large, spherical, white matte surface that was projected on, with 8 pretty standard-looking projectors, offering a 200* horizontal by 70* vertical view. The depth perception and immersion was at LEAST as good, if not better, than the fancy collimated displays. I think I may try to do something like this with my sim, wondering if anyone has experimented with this? Seems fairly simple, except for figuring out overlap..... Matt From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 21:31:15 2011 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 23:31:15 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Level 7 helicopter simulator, spherical projection In-Reply-To: <20110624020022.KC19G.990825.imail@fed1rmwml44> References: <20110624020022.KC19G.990825.imail@fed1rmwml44> Message-ID: <4E056493.8050306@gmail.com> On 6/24/2011 1:00 AM, dabigboy at cox.net wrote: > This is just a quick brain-fart until I get back from vacation. Thanks to circumstances I will explain in a later post, I had a chance to get my grubby little simulator-loving paws on what apparently is the world's first FAA-approved level 7 helicopter simulator (technically an FTD, actually, no motion). It was approved in 2009, here's a press release: > > http://www.verticalmag.com/control/news/templates/?a=11612 > > The flight was AWESOME, I will post pics and a more detailed "flight report" later. :) The thing that struck me the most was the visual system. It is not a "traditional" collimated display. Simply (or not so simply), it was a large, spherical, white matte surface that was projected on, with 8 pretty standard-looking projectors, offering a 200* horizontal by 70* vertical view. The depth perception and immersion was at LEAST as good, if not better, than the fancy collimated displays. I think I may try to do something like this with my sim, wondering if anyone has experimented with this? Seems fairly simple, except for figuring out overlap..... > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Than Sounds coool, but as I had one too many (one time at controls for about 2 mins) I cant chew gum, smoke, rub my stomach, and try to fly all at the same time. Will stay above the clouds, with that thing that has wings, and a power plant and does not require my left hand for anything but my throttle quad, and from time to time my gear lever! But for the few that are that are brave oh well, not I. BTW I also will not jump out of perfectly good airplane! That is if it has a good glide ratio! Later on an other note: I have stopped updating my website www.phoenixcomm.net/~phnx2000/sim and now Blogging @ phoenixcomm.wordpress.com Enjoy. Land Safe. From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 29 19:19:39 2011 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] project update... Message-ID: Pics finally posted - http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll Update is towards the bottom. tnx! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. From dabigboy at cox.net Thu Jun 30 22:34:51 2011 From: dabigboy at cox.net (dabigboy at cox.net) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 22:34:51 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] project update... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20110701013451.P2MX3.752872.imail@fed1rmwml4201> Great stuff Gene, it's looking great! Question: what are you doing about screen warping to handle the pin-cushion effect? Forgive me if this was discussed in an earlier post, up until now my main interest has been in the geometry and basic theory behind your rig. I'm just now getting into this myself, planning a somewhat simpler setup using a flat-white spherical projection screen with three projectors pointing at it directly (saw it last week in an AS350 heli sim at FlightSafety, which renewed my interest in this simple and somewhat more forgiving approach). I believe you would have the same kind of correction since you are rear-projecting onto that curved "little" screen. How's your performance in X-Plane at such large resolutions required to drive the TH2Go on three displays? Matt ---- Gene Buckle wrote: > Pics finally posted - http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll > > Update is towards the bottom. > > tnx! > > g. > > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project > Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. > > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment > A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. > http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! > > Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical > minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which > holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd > by the clean end. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks!