From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri May  1 05:55:39 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 05:55:39 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] new doc link...
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lestatandakasha at msn.com wrote:
> Gene i was looking at your youtube channel and i spotted your pedals 
> prototype. Did you ever document this? I would love to see how they turned 
> out and have a go myself.
> 

Jamie, the pedals came out ok, but I didn't document them.  I felt the 
design was too complex and wasn't suitable for "normal" use.

You can download some great pedal plans from here:
http://www.geneb.org/pedals.zip

They were done buy a guy named "Baloo".

g.



From lestatandakasha at msn.com  Fri May  1 08:37:15 2009
From: lestatandakasha at msn.com (lestatandakasha at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 16:37:15 +0100
Subject: [simpits-tech] new doc link...
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Gene,

That is exactly what i was looking for and, in fact was feeling disappointed 
when i found his post and the link to the plans was dead.

Thank you very much.

jamie

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> lestatandakasha at msn.com wrote:
>> Gene i was looking at your youtube channel and i spotted your pedals
>> prototype. Did you ever document this? I would love to see how they 
>> turned
>> out and have a go myself.
>>
>
> Jamie, the pedals came out ok, but I didn't document them.  I felt the
> design was too complex and wasn't suitable for "normal" use.
>
> You can download some great pedal plans from here:
> http://www.geneb.org/pedals.zip
>
> They were done buy a guy named "Baloo".
>
> g.
>
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri May  1 10:55:26 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:55:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] new doc link...
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On Fri, 1 May 2009, lestatandakasha at msn.com wrote:

> Gene,
>
> That is exactly what i was looking for and, in fact was feeling disappointed
> when i found his post and the link to the plans was dead.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
You're quite welcome.  Lucky for you I'm a big packrat. :)

g.

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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Sun May  3 05:30:01 2009
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:30:01 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] DONE!
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0904300843510.4625@grumble.deltasoft.com>
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On Thu, 30 Apr 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:

> > Incidentally, a 4x2 here in the UK is a very nominal size. It's become a
> > name for what you merrycans would think of as framing timber. It's
> > certainly smaller than 2"x4".
> >
> That's not surprising.  I think a 2x4 here is actually 3.5x1.5.

According to my contractor friend, here in the UK it's referred to as
"scant".   No, I don't know why either.


> I'm not parsing "rebates to take plywood".  Can you retry in American
> English instead of English English? :)

I think the term "rabbit" might be the one ?



> > Looks like I'm getting a Typhoon cockpit to play with soon so my
> > days/nights/weekends are going to be sim filled for a while.
>
> Cool.  You know the mantra, "Pics! Pics!" :)

I've some pics of the new 2-seater sim to post - when I get time.


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Liverpool University.
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun May  3 07:19:57 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 07:19:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] DONE!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905031328410.8645-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
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>
>
>> I'm not parsing "rebates to take plywood".  Can you retry in American
>> English instead of English English? :)
>
> I think the term "rabbit" might be the one ?
>
Nope. :)  I think this one falls into the category of "I understood the 
words you said, just not in the order that you said them." :)


Rob & I painted a good chunk of the shop floor yesterday with some epoxy 
based floor paint.  It should look pretty nice.

g.

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From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Sun May  3 09:14:37 2009
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 09:14:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] website update
Message-ID: <42502.98296.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

made some updates to my website including pics with the new projector system. www.phantomsim.org? 
?
If any of you are in the wichita kansas area june 5 & 6th we are have a simulator fly off competition. the sims wont be networked but we? will have 4 operating there.? I had a group visiting from california rent the sims (netwoked) yesterday in the hanger. We have rearranged the hanger to leave those three sims networked in a simi permament basis. 
?
Not on the website is info about our DC-8 trip from Dayton Ohio. We now have the Flying Tigers DC-8-61 simulator! it was still training pilots 2 months ago and still has the origional DC-8 Flying Tigers paint job with the arrow. 
?
It also looks like we have a new Air Force One prject on our hands. This time using a recently retired, 13??ft wide, ?747-200 simulator that we just found. The new Bush Presidential Library is considering using it in a 911 type exhibit. 


????? Justin Messenger
Simulator Fly-Off Coordinator
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun May  3 10:11:22 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 10:11:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905031003540.7789@grumble.deltasoft.com>


To give you a bit of background, someone posted a note about my diy 
cockpit project on the Simviation forums.  The first reply was from some 
snarky punk that thinks he can do what I did in "a few hours" for free.

I disagreed and the gauntlet has now been thrown. *Grin*

Here's the thread:

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1240936944/0

I figure this is win-win.

If he pulls it off, people get cool plans for a Hawker Hurricane IIc and a 
picture of me gazing lovingly at a mustard covered hat.

If he doesn't, he'll brand himself a pointless troll.

Either way, It'll be fun. :)

g.


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From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Sun May  3 10:55:02 2009
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 12:55:02 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
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I can tell you exactly what this guy does for a living.  He's likely a
design engineer.  The real kicker here is, I will bet he's never actually
had to build anything he's designed.

Having most of my pit done from Jason's plans right there in front of me, it
was not uncommon for it to take me a day to mount a single item.  Jason
spent 1500 hours designing his plans and had detailed drawings to reference.

Having "designed" items for my and other pits with the help of Mike "Kabar"
Williams, we learned one unmovable fact:  You have to design things that fit
within the building capabilities, skills and tool sets that are available to
the person actually doing the building.  Unless this guy has actually spent
time on an assembly line and down in the trenches building stuff, he has no
idea that a desktop CAD model doesn't apply to a your weekend builder in the
garage.

Gene, I would not cut this set of plans with your shop bot, it needs to be
done the way everyone else will do it and that's by hand.

Jay

Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will
show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones.
--Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter
-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 12:11 PM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?


To give you a bit of background, someone posted a note about my diy 
cockpit project on the Simviation forums.  The first reply was from some 
snarky punk that thinks he can do what I did in "a few hours" for free.

I disagreed and the gauntlet has now been thrown. *Grin*

Here's the thread:

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1240936944/0

I figure this is win-win.

If he pulls it off, people get cool plans for a Hawker Hurricane IIc and a 
picture of me gazing lovingly at a mustard covered hat.

If he doesn't, he'll brand himself a pointless troll.

Either way, It'll be fun. :)

g.


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun May  3 11:32:20 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 11:32:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
In-Reply-To: <C6FA9E042A3C4AB28895951678DBC634@flightsystems>
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>
> Having most of my pit done from Jason's plans right there in front of me, it
> was not uncommon for it to take me a day to mount a single item.  Jason
> spent 1500 hours designing his plans and had detailed drawings to reference.
>
That thing you've built is closer to a work of art than a cockpit. :)

>
> Gene, I would not cut this set of plans with your shop bot, it needs to be
> done the way everyone else will do it and that's by hand.
>
I've got to balance time available vs other things I need to get done. 
The 'bot will cut the amount of time needed to build by quite a bit.  I 
seriously doubt he'll be able to pull it off, but just in case I'm going 
to find a new hat.  I don't want mustard on the ones I have. :)

Frankly, I don't know if I'm charging too much for the plan set or not. 
The *only* other "plans" I could find were for some sad little thing that 
amounted to a table with sides on it for 4 pounds sterling.  We'll see.

A Hurricane IIc in 24 hours is going to be pretty impressive. :)

g.



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From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Sun May  3 12:10:29 2009
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 14:10:29 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
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65 bucks for the plans printed on that big ass paper PLUS a CD with all the
stuff on it.  You are barely clearing any sort of profit.  That's got to be
30-40 bucks just in hard cash spent per order.  And the time spent doing it,
you are giving it away for free.  99 bucks would be the MINIMUM I would
consider charging given the amount of time, R&D, blood, sweat and tears
you've piled into this project.

As for mine, it's kind of like a supermodel...looks great, fun to touch and
fondle and dream...but that's about all you can do with it right now.  You
are falling into the trap I've fallen into and that's spending more time
building/designing stuff for others that for your own project.  I keep
remembering I have a finite time on this Earth and I would like to see this
thing done before I leave it.

Jay

Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will
show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones.
--Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter
-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:32 PM
To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?

>
> Having most of my pit done from Jason's plans right there in front of me,
it
> was not uncommon for it to take me a day to mount a single item.  Jason
> spent 1500 hours designing his plans and had detailed drawings to
reference.
>
That thing you've built is closer to a work of art than a cockpit. :)

>
> Gene, I would not cut this set of plans with your shop bot, it needs to be
> done the way everyone else will do it and that's by hand.
>
I've got to balance time available vs other things I need to get done. 
The 'bot will cut the amount of time needed to build by quite a bit.  I 
seriously doubt he'll be able to pull it off, but just in case I'm going 
to find a new hat.  I don't want mustard on the ones I have. :)

Frankly, I don't know if I'm charging too much for the plan set or not. 
The *only* other "plans" I could find were for some sad little thing that 
amounted to a table with sides on it for 4 pounds sterling.  We'll see.

A Hurricane IIc in 24 hours is going to be pretty impressive. :)

g.



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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Sun May  3 12:31:19 2009
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 07:31:19 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905031003540.7789@grumble.deltasoft.com>
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Awww man, I just don't know which horse to back in this race.... 
while It'd be kinda cool to watch Gene munching on his hat (Youtube 
would love this outcome BTW), *and* having a set of Hurricane pit 
drawings out there, I kinda get the feeling this child (he's in the 
air cadets... so that makes him what? 16-17?) will end up all 
talk.  I mean hell, how much research does it take to even sketch 
something up to some semblance of the real thing, let alone actually 
design it so it could be constructed?

Ya had to feed the Troll didn'cha!?  <lol>

SeanG

Oh and $65.  Bargain full stop.

At 05:11 a.m. 4/05/2009, you wrote:

>To give you a bit of background, someone posted a note about my diy
>cockpit project on the Simviation forums.  The first reply was from some
>snarky punk that thinks he can do what I did in "a few hours" for free.
>
>I disagreed and the gauntlet has now been thrown. *Grin*
>
>Here's the thread:
>
>http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1240936944/0
>
>I figure this is win-win.
>
>If he pulls it off, people get cool plans for a Hawker Hurricane IIc and a
>picture of me gazing lovingly at a mustard covered hat.
>
>If he doesn't, he'll brand himself a pointless troll.
>
>Either way, It'll be fun. :)
>
>g.
>
>
>--
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>http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun May  3 13:01:55 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:01:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
In-Reply-To: <6D41466DF5964A4CAA50CEFAB7D3B468@flightsystems>
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On Sun, 3 May 2009, Joseph Fagner wrote:

> 65 bucks for the plans printed on that big ass paper PLUS a CD with all the
> stuff on it.  You are barely clearing any sort of profit.  That's got to be
> 30-40 bucks just in hard cash spent per order.  And the time spent doing it,
> you are giving it away for free.  99 bucks would be the MINIMUM I would
> consider charging given the amount of time, R&D, blood, sweat and tears
> you've piled into this project.
>
Well it never was about how much money I could make on it.  I'm trying to 
lower the bar in order to get more people involved in the hobby.  You 
can't swing a stick without hitting a pile of electronic goodies for a 
cockpit, but when it comes to the cockpit itself, there ain't much.

> As for mine, it's kind of like a supermodel...looks great, fun to touch and
> fondle and dream...but that's about all you can do with it right now.  You

Hehehe.  Sounds like a fun evening to me. *laughs*

g.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun May  3 13:18:44 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:18:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
In-Reply-To: <0KJ300EIU285H920@smtp5.clear.net.nz>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905031003540.7789@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<0KJ300EIU285H920@smtp5.clear.net.nz>
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On Mon, 4 May 2009, Sean Galbraith wrote:

> Awww man, I just don't know which horse to back in this race....
> while It'd be kinda cool to watch Gene munching on his hat (Youtube
> would love this outcome BTW), *and* having a set of Hurricane pit
> drawings out there, I kinda get the feeling this child (he's in the
> air cadets... so that makes him what? 16-17?) will end up all
> talk.  I mean hell, how much research does it take to even sketch
> something up to some semblance of the real thing, let alone actually
> design it so it could be constructed?
>

He replied with his "design".  He basically did the mental equivalent of 
blowing his nose onto a few sheets of paper and called it a design.  I 
scolded him, gave him an example and reminded him he still has 20 or so 
hours yet to go. :)

What's really funny is that the Grob that he wants to fly could be the 
next cockpit in the series - I've already got the panel drawings from a 
friend of mine in the UK. :)

g.


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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Sun May  3 17:27:48 2009
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 01:27:48 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] DONE!
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905030718120.6435@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905040126400.9304-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Sun, 3 May 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:

> >> I'm not parsing "rebates to take plywood".  Can you retry in American
> >> English instead of English English? :)
> >
> > I think the term "rabbit" might be the one ?
> >
> Nope. :)  I think this one falls into the category of "I understood the
> words you said, just not in the order that you said them." :)

Ah. Hmmm.  A slot to take plywood ?


> Rob & I painted a good chunk of the shop floor yesterday with some epoxy
> based floor paint.  It should look pretty nice.

Heh.  I painted the floor of "the cave" with a nice grey non-slip epoxy.
It looked really really sweet. Then I pulled in the sea hawk cockpit and
used about a gazillion gallons of paint stripper.  bye Bye floor.


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Sun May  3 17:48:29 2009
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 01:48:29 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
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On Sun, 3 May 2009, Joseph Fagner wrote:

> I can tell you exactly what this guy does for a living.  He's likely a
> design engineer.  The real kicker here is, I will bet he's never actually
> had to build anything he's designed.


Nah, if he's doing "GCSE's" then he's a schoolkid !


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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Sun May  3 17:49:39 2009
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 01:49:39 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
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On Mon, 4 May 2009, Sean Galbraith wrote:

> Awww man, I just don't know which horse to back in this race....
> while It'd be kinda cool to watch Gene munching on his hat (Youtube
> would love this outcome BTW)


maybe gene should eat his hat anyway ?


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From raysot at comcast.net  Sun May  3 17:51:19 2009
From: raysot at comcast.net (Ray Sotkiewicz)
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 17:51:19 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905031316430.9164@grumble.deltasoft.com>
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> "... He basically did the mental equivalent of 
> blowing his nose onto a few sheets of paper and called it a design. 

...isn't that how Airbus started out?
:-D




From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun May  3 19:22:03 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 19:22:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] DONE!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905040126400.9304-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
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On Mon, 4 May 2009, Roy Coates wrote:

> On Sun, 3 May 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:
>
>>>> I'm not parsing "rebates to take plywood".  Can you retry in American
>>>> English instead of English English? :)
>>>
>>> I think the term "rabbit" might be the one ?
>>>
>> Nope. :)  I think this one falls into the category of "I understood the
>> words you said, just not in the order that you said them." :)
>
> Ah. Hmmm.  A slot to take plywood ?
>
Ahh!  A slot on the end is a rabbet, a slot in the field is a dado.  Two 
people separated by a common language. :)

>
>> Rob & I painted a good chunk of the shop floor yesterday with some epoxy
>> based floor paint.  It should look pretty nice.
>
> Heh.  I painted the floor of "the cave" with a nice grey non-slip epoxy.
> It looked really really sweet. Then I pulled in the sea hawk cockpit and
> used about a gazillion gallons of paint stripper.  bye Bye floor.

Ouch.  Was it a two part mix or just a single can?

g.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun May  3 19:29:29 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 19:29:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905040148000.9304-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
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On Mon, 4 May 2009, Roy Coates wrote:

> On Sun, 3 May 2009, Joseph Fagner wrote:
>
>> I can tell you exactly what this guy does for a living.  He's likely a
>> design engineer.  The real kicker here is, I will bet he's never actually
>> had to build anything he's designed.
>
>
> Nah, if he's doing "GCSE's" then he's a schoolkid !
>

As in a _literal_ *child*?  That little linoleum lizard set the hook well 
and good, didn't he? *laughs*

/me tries to un-knot his petard

g.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun May  3 19:31:03 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 19:31:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905040149210.9304-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
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On Mon, 4 May 2009, Roy Coates wrote:

> On Mon, 4 May 2009, Sean Galbraith wrote:
>
>> Awww man, I just don't know which horse to back in this race....
>> while It'd be kinda cool to watch Gene munching on his hat (Youtube
>> would love this outcome BTW)
>
>
> maybe gene should eat his hat anyway ?
>

Too high in cardboardhydrates. *grin*

g.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun May  3 19:34:46 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 19:34:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
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On Sun, 3 May 2009, Ray Sotkiewicz wrote:

>
>> "... He basically did the mental equivalent of
>> blowing his nose onto a few sheets of paper and called it a design.
>
> ...isn't that how Airbus started out?
> :-D

Started out?  I thought they still did it that way! :)

g.

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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Mon May  4 00:44:36 2009
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 19:44:36 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905031933480.12749@grumble.deltasoft.com>
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At 02:34 p.m. 4/05/2009, you wrote:
>On Sun, 3 May 2009, Ray Sotkiewicz wrote:
>
> >
> >> "... He basically did the mental equivalent of
> >> blowing his nose onto a few sheets of paper and called it a design.
> >
> > ...isn't that how Airbus started out?
> > :-D
>
>Started out?  I thought they still did it that way! :)

<cough> A380 <cough>

SeanG


From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Mon May  4 01:00:32 2009
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 20:00:32 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905031316430.9164@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905031003540.7789@grumble.deltasoft.com>
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Good Lord!  I just opened his "design".... I think you give the lad 
far too much credit saying that he "blew his nose on a few sheets of 
paper".  That is just some schoolgirl sketches, not a 
design.  Although I do like the use of 4cm (that's a shade over an 
inch and a half thick for those playing at home) "MDF Ply".... It 
would probably be about as heavy as it is fictional!

Game, set and match Mr.B

Thank you linesmen, thank you ballboys.

SeanG

p.s. If you do ever feel the need to eat yer hat... remember "Youtube"...

At 08:18 a.m. 4/05/2009, you wrote:
>On Mon, 4 May 2009, Sean Galbraith wrote:
>
> > Awww man, I just don't know which horse to back in this race....
> > while It'd be kinda cool to watch Gene munching on his hat (Youtube
> > would love this outcome BTW), *and* having a set of Hurricane pit
> > drawings out there, I kinda get the feeling this child (he's in the
> > air cadets... so that makes him what? 16-17?) will end up all
> > talk.  I mean hell, how much research does it take to even sketch
> > something up to some semblance of the real thing, let alone actually
> > design it so it could be constructed?
> >
>
>He replied with his "design".  He basically did the mental equivalent of
>blowing his nose onto a few sheets of paper and called it a design.  I
>scolded him, gave him an example and reminded him he still has 20 or so
>hours yet to go. :)
>
>What's really funny is that the Grob that he wants to fly could be the
>next cockpit in the series - I've already got the panel drawings from a
>friend of mine in the UK. :)
>
>g.
>
>
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>
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From echotech1452 at gmail.com  Mon May  4 06:07:51 2009
From: echotech1452 at gmail.com (delor lauchang)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 09:07:51 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905031003540.7789@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905031003540.7789@grumble.deltasoft.com>
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Gene,

this guy is talking a lot of crap...

he's right that in a sense, guys whose got technical prowess can do such
stuff, but your project is a guide for dummies,( remember those yellow/black
books for dummies).

not everyone has the ability to draw and build, most of the simmers i know
has to be spoon fed.

i've learned a lot from you guys in the process of building my simulator
during the last six years, and thanks to people like you, whose got the
initiative to share,

tell this guy, theres no free lunch anymore.

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:

>
> To give you a bit of background, someone posted a note about my diy
> cockpit project on the Simviation forums.  The first reply was from some
> snarky punk that thinks he can do what I did in "a few hours" for free.
>
> I disagreed and the gauntlet has now been thrown. *Grin*
>
> Here's the thread:
>
> http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num40936944/0
>
> I figure this is win-win.
>
> If he pulls it off, people get cool plans for a Hawker Hurricane IIc and a
> picture of me gazing lovingly at a mustard covered hat.
>
> If he doesn't, he'll brand himself a pointless troll.
>
> Either way, It'll be fun. :)
>
> g.
>
>
> --
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> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon May  4 06:19:34 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 06:19:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
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On Mon, 4 May 2009, Sean Galbraith wrote:

> design.  Although I do like the use of 4cm (that's a shade over an
> inch and a half thick for those playing at home) "MDF Ply".... It
> would probably be about as heavy as it is fictional!
>
It's my understanding that a 4x8 sheet of 3/4" MDF is about 80lbs.  If you 
could even _find_ 4cm MDF, it would be somewhere north of 100lbs per.

>
> p.s. If you do ever feel the need to eat yer hat... remember "Youtube"...
>
Hehehe.  You wish. :)

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon May  4 06:31:18 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 06:31:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
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On Mon, 4 May 2009, delor lauchang wrote:

> Gene,
>
> this guy is talking a lot of crap...
>
> he's right that in a sense, guys whose got technical prowess can do such
> stuff, but your project is a guide for dummies,( remember those yellow/black
> books for dummies).
>

What really jammed my gears was the "I could do that in a couple of hours" 
comment.

Had he just commented that it was too much, was crap, etc. I woudln't have 
commented.  I frankly don't care if the kid trivializes my work, I DO care 
when he trivializes the amount of time that went into it.

You figure that until I started this project, I wasn't really very good at 
doing CAD work - I was more likely to drag out my paper based drafting 
tools and work it out from there.  I'd never done anything in 3D either. 
I had to get very good with CAD and teach myself 3D parametric modeling 
from scratch.  I'm still crap at that, but it's getting better. :) To 
any of you doing 3D work that do NOT have a SpaceBall - go get one! 
You're working with one arm tied behind your back and your left foot stuck 
in a bear trap.

In all honesty I should've just left it alone, but that kid just happened 
to pick the wrong button to press. :)

g.



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From adm.design at verizon.net  Mon May  4 07:07:26 2009
From: adm.design at verizon.net (Alan D. Mazurka)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 10:07:26 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905040622190.18465@grumble.deltasoft.com>
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Hi,

At 09:31 AM 5/4/2009, you wrote:

>What really jammed my gears was the "I could do that in a couple of hours"
>comment.

he refers to "anim8or".

it's not really a CAD tool, it's a freely available 3D 'designer' toy 
that has animation capabilities. i've designed my own cockpit with 
it, but it should not be confused with a genuine CAD tool.

like so many other blivots out there, he's just saying "look what i 
can do", and not worth spending the cycles to discredit.

  - adm -



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From catalina299 at gmail.com  Mon May  4 07:42:36 2009
From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 07:42:36 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
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my 2cents all you guys you know he is probably a troll but whatever
let it go .Everyone stands with gene
but by keeping this alive is giving this guy credence f**K him lets go
to something more enjoyable
like lets get togther and buy Gene a bottle of 50 year old scotch I
will chip in a double saw buck anyone
want to match me .

billy

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Alan D. Mazurka <adm.design at verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> At 09:31 AM 5/4/2009, you wrote:
>
> What really jammed my gears was the "I could do that in a couple of hours"
> comment.
>
> he refers to "anim8or".
>
> it's not really a CAD tool, it's a freely available 3D 'designer' toy that
> has animation capabilities. i've designed my own cockpit with it, but it
> should not be confused with a genuine CAD tool.
>
> like so many other blivots out there, he's just saying "look what i can do",
> and not worth spending the cycles to discredit.
>
> ?- adm -
>
> ________________________________
> Alan D.
> Mazurka
> adm.design at verizon.net
>
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Tue May  5 06:38:25 2009
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:38:25 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] DONE!
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905031920380.12749@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905051437350.11649-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Sun, 3 May 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:

> > Ah. Hmmm.  A slot to take plywood ?
> >
> Ahh!  A slot on the end is a rabbet, a slot in the field is a dado.  Two
> people separated by a common language. :)

Maybe we should _both_ watch Norm?   ;-)


> > Heh.  I painted the floor of "the cave" with a nice grey non-slip epoxy.
> > It looked really really sweet. Then I pulled in the sea hawk cockpit and
> > used about a gazillion gallons of paint stripper.  bye Bye floor.
>
> Ouch.  Was it a two part mix or just a single can?

It's a one can job. works uber well and not just on floors either.


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Liverpool University.
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Tue May  5 06:38:59 2009
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:38:59 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905031928110.12749@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905051438360.11649-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Sun, 3 May 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:

> > Nah, if he's doing "GCSE's" then he's a schoolkid !
> >
>
> As in a _literal_ *child*?  That little linoleum lizard set the hook well
> and good, didn't he? *laughs*
>
> /me tries to un-knot his petard


Heh. GCSE's are high school exams for 16 year olds.


--

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Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Tue May  5 06:42:20 2009
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:42:20 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
In-Reply-To: <3a0a6c680905040742g2e5c63f5j8b5f9c382a92d634@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905051441400.11649-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Mon, 4 May 2009, William Segal wrote:

> my 2cents all you guys you know he is probably a troll but whatever
> let it go .Everyone stands with gene
> but by keeping this alive is giving this guy credence f**K him lets go
> to something more enjoyable
> like lets get togther and buy Gene a bottle of 50 year old scotch I
> will chip in a double saw buck anyone
> want to match me .


Bill, great idea but look how dangerous gene is _without_ alchohol !!


Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue May  5 06:56:09 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 06:56:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] DONE!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905051437350.11649-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905051437350.11649-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905050653430.32457@grumble.deltasoft.com>

>>> Heh.  I painted the floor of "the cave" with a nice grey non-slip epoxy.
>>> It looked really really sweet. Then I pulled in the sea hawk cockpit and
>>> used about a gazillion gallons of paint stripper.  bye Bye floor.
>>
>> Ouch.  Was it a two part mix or just a single can?
>
> It's a one can job. works uber well and not just on floors either.
>

We used both types as that's what I'd purchased a long time ago.  The 
single can stuff was used around the perimeter of the space, the two part 
was used in the middle area.

Rob wants to put a "Caution: Jet Wash" decal on the floor.  I think it 
would be more fun to have a bunch of little "NO STEP" signs everywhere. :)

g.



-- 
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue May  5 06:56:58 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 06:56:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905051441400.11649-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905051441400.11649-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905050656340.32457@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Tue, 5 May 2009, Roy Coates wrote:

> On Mon, 4 May 2009, William Segal wrote:
>
>> my 2cents all you guys you know he is probably a troll but whatever
>> let it go .Everyone stands with gene
>> but by keeping this alive is giving this guy credence f**K him lets go
>> to something more enjoyable
>> like lets get togther and buy Gene a bottle of 50 year old scotch I
>> will chip in a double saw buck anyone
>> want to match me .
>
>
> Bill, great idea but look how dangerous gene is _without_ alchohol !!

...and being a Type 2 Diabetic, I can't drink anyway. :)

g.

-- 
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
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From catalina299 at gmail.com  Tue May  5 09:55:54 2009
From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:55:54 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905050656340.32457@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905051441400.11649-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk> 
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0905050656340.32457@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <3a0a6c680905050955g3c49949uc3a89322b450db3c@mail.gmail.com>

Bill wrote

I am type II for 40 years controlled booze is not the killer Junk food
and rich foods are
the killer and hi blood pressure and high cholesterol  none of which
is effected by a drink once in a while like for a special occasion so
drink up lets do it.If that bothers folks how about a bottle of
California Cabernet Sauvignon Robert Mondavi supreme select 2004 Wine
in small quantities is good for Diabetes good for the heart too.

Regards

Bill

Me I can't drink period HEP C




On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 5 May 2009, Roy Coates wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 4 May 2009, William Segal wrote:
>>
>>> my 2cents all you guys you know he is probably a troll but whatever
>>> let it go .Everyone stands with gene
>>> but by keeping this alive is giving this guy credence f**K him lets go
>>> to something more enjoyable
>>> like lets get togther and buy Gene a bottle of 50 year old scotch I
>>> will chip in a double saw buck anyone
>>> want to match me .
>>
>>
>> Bill, great idea but look how dangerous gene is _without_ alchohol !!
>
> ...and being a Type 2 Diabetic, I can't drink anyway. :)
>
> g.
>
> --
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> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue May  5 10:12:30 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:12:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
In-Reply-To: <3a0a6c680905050955g3c49949uc3a89322b450db3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905051441400.11649-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0905050656340.32457@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<3a0a6c680905050955g3c49949uc3a89322b450db3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905051012070.1949@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Tue, 5 May 2009, William Segal wrote:

> Bill wrote
>

Thanks for the kind offer Bill, but it's not necessary.

g.

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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Tue May  5 15:28:25 2009
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 10:28:25 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905051012070.1949@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905051441400.11649-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0905050656340.32457@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<3a0a6c680905050955g3c49949uc3a89322b450db3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0905051012070.1949@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <0KJ6009OLZRCSU10@smtp5.clear.net.nz>

At 05:12 a.m. 6/05/2009, you wrote:
>On Tue, 5 May 2009, William Segal wrote:
>
> > Bill wrote
> >
>
>Thanks for the kind offer Bill, but it's not necessary.

What about a hat that says "Director General of the 
International_Slap_an_idiot_with_a_Wet_Trout Agency" wrapped around a 
bottle of your choice?

SeanG <who is indeed evil, ask my wife, or my mum for that matter>


From phoenixcomm at gmail.com  Tue May  5 17:15:45 2009
From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:15:45 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] DONE!
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905050653430.32457@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905051437350.11649-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0905050653430.32457@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <007f01c9cddf$ce6f1fc0$6b4d5f40$@com>

If your going to put the "Caution: Jet Wash" decal on the floor it would be
way cool!!!
BTW for grins one day I  had some blue ramp lights, I think about 6 or 8 of
them I put them in the ground 
along side of the driveway... I really wanted to put a white strobe at the
center of the drive.. but I resisted the temptation.... 
looked really pretty from about 3k AGL over the house.. 
But the "Housing Nazis" gave me a freeken ticket and ended up in local court
(I had to take them out) :{

Cris Harrison
www.phoenixcomm.net/~phnx2000/sim
www.phoenixaerospace.us
www.avi-tronix.com

And GB is mostly right all the time.. enjoy

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:56 AM
To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] DONE!

>>> Heh.  I painted the floor of "the cave" with a nice grey non-slip epoxy.
>>> It looked really really sweet. Then I pulled in the sea hawk cockpit and
>>> used about a gazillion gallons of paint stripper.  bye Bye floor.
>>
>> Ouch.  Was it a two part mix or just a single can?
>
> It's a one can job. works uber well and not just on floors either.
>

We used both types as that's what I'd purchased a long time ago.  The 
single can stuff was used around the perimeter of the space, the two part 
was used in the middle area.

Rob wants to put a "Caution: Jet Wash" decal on the floor.  I think it 
would be more fun to have a bunch of little "NO STEP" signs everywhere. :)

g.



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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Tue May  5 18:44:46 2009
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 02:44:46 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] DONE!
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905050653430.32457@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905060244200.12529-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Tue, 5 May 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:

> > It's a one can job. works uber well and not just on floors either.
> >
>
> We used both types as that's what I'd purchased a long time ago.  The
> single can stuff was used around the perimeter of the space, the two part
> was used in the middle area.
>
> Rob wants to put a "Caution: Jet Wash" decal on the floor.  I think it
> would be more fun to have a bunch of little "NO STEP" signs everywhere. :)



I'm a sicko - I've always wanted a "DO NO TOUCH!" sign .... in Braille ;-)


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Tue May  5 18:45:15 2009
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 02:45:15 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Will Gene get to eat a hat?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905050656340.32457@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905060244570.12529-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Tue, 5 May 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:

> >
> > Bill, great idea but look how dangerous gene is _without_ alchohol !!
>
> ...and being a Type 2 Diabetic, I can't drink anyway. :)
>


Ah, that would certainly slow you down there.


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed May  6 00:33:43 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 00:33:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] DONE!
In-Reply-To: <007f01c9cddf$ce6f1fc0$6b4d5f40$@com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905051437350.11649-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0905050653430.32457@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<007f01c9cddf$ce6f1fc0$6b4d5f40$@com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905060030420.9877@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Tue, 5 May 2009, Cris Harrison wrote:

> If your going to put the "Caution: Jet Wash" decal on the floor it would be
> way cool!!!

My wife made the suggestion that I paint a "chalk" body outline with a "NO 
STEP" stencil next to it.  Reminds me why I married her.  She's just as 
screwy as I am. :)

g.

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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed May  6 00:42:00 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 00:42:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] DONE!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905060244200.12529-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905060244200.12529-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905060039550.9877@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Wed, 6 May 2009, Roy Coates wrote:

> On Tue, 5 May 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:
>
>>> It's a one can job. works uber well and not just on floors either.
>>>
>>
>> We used both types as that's what I'd purchased a long time ago.  The
>> single can stuff was used around the perimeter of the space, the two part
>> was used in the middle area.
>>
>> Rob wants to put a "Caution: Jet Wash" decal on the floor.  I think it
>> would be more fun to have a bunch of little "NO STEP" signs everywhere. :)
>
>
>
> I'm a sicko - I've always wanted a "DO NO TOUCH!" sign .... in Braille ;-)
>

or..."If you can read this, why the hell did you just put 5c into the 
Nickelodeon?" :)

g.

-- 
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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Fri May  8 13:59:37 2009
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 08:59:37 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Woohoo.. Blog update ;-)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905060039550.9877@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905060244200.12529-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0905060039550.9877@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <0KJC006N2FNA0W20@smtp5.clear.net.nz>

Tried sending this a couple of days back.. but it appears to have 
vanished into the great interweb abyss ;-)


Well whadaya know!  I finally updated my sim-blog  (See Gene, told ya I would!)

http://www.simpits.org/seang

I'm in the middle of testing a nice little piece of hardware in my 
sim, a simple USB board which reads 4 rotary encoders, and drives 8 
relays.  I am using the relays (well 6 of them anyways) to drive my 
gear indicators, which I liberated from the Queenair hull I 
bought.  Neat bit of kit, and is the prototype for something which 
may just be coming to a website near you soon.....

SeanG


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun May 10 10:45:46 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:45:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Woohoo.. Blog update ;-)
In-Reply-To: <0KJC006N2FNA0W20@smtp5.clear.net.nz>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0905060244200.12529-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0905060039550.9877@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<0KJC006N2FNA0W20@smtp5.clear.net.nz>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905101045320.14541@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Sat, 9 May 2009, Sean Galbraith wrote:

> Tried sending this a couple of days back.. but it appears to have
> vanished into the great interweb abyss ;-)
>
>
> Well whadaya know!  I finally updated my sim-blog  (See Gene, told ya I would!)
>
> http://www.simpits.org/seang
>

Looks great Sean!  Good job!

g.

-- 
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Wed May  6 23:54:22 2009
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 18:54:22 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Woohoo.. Blog update ;-)
Message-ID: <0KJ9006RCHUM1620@smtp3.clear.net.nz>

Well whadaya know!  I finally updated my sim-blog  (See Gene, told ya I would!)

http://www.simpits.org/seang

I'm in the middle of testing a nice little piece of hardware in my 
sim, a simple USB board which reads 4 rotary encoders, and drives 8 
relays.  I am using the relays (well 6 of them anyways) to drive my 
gear indicators, which I liberated from the Queenair hull I 
bought.  Neat bit of kit, and is the prototype for something which 
may just be coming to a website near you soon.....

SeanG


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun May 10 14:33:48 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:33:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] All you IL2 fans...
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905101431410.17647@grumble.deltasoft.com>


I discovered a new mod for IL2 today that is the answer to many prayers 
about IL2. :)

http://allaircraftarcade.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13257&highlight=devicelink

The thread has a link to a mod download that activates the DeviceLink 
protocol for on-line play.

Fantastic stuff!

g.


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http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed May 13 09:59:44 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:59:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905130959040.28049@grumble.deltasoft.com>



http://tv.hexus.net/show/2009/01/CES_2009_Saitek_present_the_Pro_Flight_Instrument_Panel/


I'm trying to find out when it'll be available the US and for how much.

g.


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From idekkers at gmail.com  Wed May 13 10:06:38 2009
From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:36:38 +0430
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905130959040.28049@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905130959040.28049@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <39e5de8d0905131006n22f0d237wd8d2632e62f14465@mail.gmail.com>

he actually said in the video it's 149.99$

Ido

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> http://tv.hexus.net/show/2009/01/CES_2009_Saitek_present_the_Pro_Flight_Instrument_Panel/
>
>
> I'm trying to find out when it'll be available the US and for how much.
>
> g.
>
>
> --
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
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> http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed May 13 10:15:31 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:15:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0905131006n22f0d237wd8d2632e62f14465@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905130959040.28049@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<39e5de8d0905131006n22f0d237wd8d2632e62f14465@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905131015070.28250@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Wed, 13 May 2009, Ido Dekkers wrote:

> he actually said in the video it's 149.99$
>

Ahh, ok.  I didn't have the audio turned up.

That's nuts. :)

g.

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OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
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From catalina299 at gmail.com  Wed May 13 10:35:43 2009
From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:35:43 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905130959040.28049@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905130959040.28049@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <3a0a6c680905131035m7e7426cbxc1ac3705cf7a78c9@mail.gmail.com>

Bill wrote
Gene

Would it be possible to install their hard and software on a bigger screen.
I can't
see things that small . Incidendentlly Saitek is now owned by a company in
San Diego California,

Regards

Bill

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> http://tv.hexus.net/show/2009/01/CES_2009_Saitek_present_the_Pro_Flight_Instrument_Panel/
>
>
> I'm trying to find out when it'll be available the US and for how much.
>
> g.
>
>
> --
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
> OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed May 13 10:46:54 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:46:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
In-Reply-To: <3a0a6c680905131035m7e7426cbxc1ac3705cf7a78c9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905130959040.28049@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<3a0a6c680905131035m7e7426cbxc1ac3705cf7a78c9@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 13 May 2009, William Segal wrote:

> Bill wrote
> Gene
>
> Would it be possible to install their hard and software on a bigger screen.

Very unlikely.  Outside of the small size, the device doesn't bring much 
new to the table.  There are other programs out there that offer the 
ability to show instruments on a separate monitor if you need better 
visibility.


g.


-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From adm.design at verizon.net  Wed May 13 10:48:44 2009
From: adm.design at verizon.net (Alan D. Mazurka)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:48:44 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0905131006n22f0d237wd8d2632e62f14465@mail.gmail.co m>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905130959040.28049@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<39e5de8d0905131006n22f0d237wd8d2632e62f14465@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0KJL0054LG5EI9X4@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net>

hi,

oh, i dunno about this:

analog instruments on a LCD.... i'd sooner buy a 
big LCD then use a "panel editor" to make the 
"glass" display of my choice in flightsim. in 
Orbiter, i just drag the MFDs down to the LCD - as many as i might need.

....the way that most folks are probably doing right now.

  - adm -

At 01:06 PM 5/13/2009, you wrote:
>he actually said in the video it's 149.99$
>
>Ido
>
>On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Gene Buckle 
><<mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com>geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
>
>
><http://tv.hexus.net/show/2009/01/CES_2009_Saitek_present_the_Pro_Flight_Instrument_Panel/>http://tv.hexus.net/show/2009/01/CES_2009_Saitek_present_the_Pro_Flight_Instrument_Panel/
>
>
>I'm trying to find out when it'll be available the US and for how much.
>
>g.
>
>
>--
>Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
><http://www.f15sim.com>http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
>OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
><http://gpl.openqm.com>http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!
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From rd at ns.sympatico.ca  Wed May 13 11:10:56 2009
From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:10:56 -0300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905130959040.28049@grumble.deltasoft.com><3a0a6c680905131035m7e7426cbxc1ac3705cf7a78c9@mail.gmail.com>
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What did buddy on there say he was? A senior product developer? Didn't look 
to me like he even know what he was talking about. Says they made it so you 
can snap three of them together .... hmmmm.... let's see, I wonder which 
three? Something has got to go it seems.

Before any of you cats go out there and buy any of that, I will most likely 
be selling my 172 panel c/w 18 working Simkits gauges and the Simkits CCU1 
before the summer is out.

If you'd like more info contact me off list. I can send along some eye 
candy.
rd at ns.sympatico.ca

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>
To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...


> On Wed, 13 May 2009, William Segal wrote:
>
>> Bill wrote
>> Gene
>>
>> Would it be possible to install their hard and software on a bigger 
>> screen.
>
> Very unlikely.  Outside of the small size, the device doesn't bring much
> new to the table.  There are other programs out there that offer the
> ability to show instruments on a separate monitor if you need better
> visibility.
>
>
> g.
>
>
> -- 
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
> OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!
> _______________________________________________
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From fliper56789 at yahoo.com  Wed May 13 11:24:05 2009
From: fliper56789 at yahoo.com (Phil Enos)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:24:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
Message-ID: <119872.51254.qm@web53406.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Hey Rick,
You get that thing off the ground yet?




?
??Take care and have a great day!
-Phil
?

--- On Wed, 5/13/09, Rick Davis <rd at ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:


From: Rick Davis <rd at ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 2:10 PM


What did buddy on there say he was? A senior product developer? Didn't look 
to me like he even know what he was talking about. Says they made it so you 
can snap three of them together .... hmmmm.... let's see, I wonder which 
three? Something has got to go it seems.

Before any of you cats go out there and buy any of that, I will most likely 
be selling my 172 panel c/w 18 working Simkits gauges and the Simkits CCU1 
before the summer is out.

If you'd like more info contact me off list. I can send along some eye 
candy.
rd at ns.sympatico.ca

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>
To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...


> On Wed, 13 May 2009, William Segal wrote:
>
>> Bill wrote
>> Gene
>>
>> Would it be possible to install their hard and software on a bigger 
>> screen.
>
> Very unlikely.? Outside of the small size, the device doesn't bring much
> new to the table.? There are other programs out there that offer the
> ability to show instruments on a separate monitor if you need better
> visibility.
>
>
> g.
>
>
> -- 
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
> OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!
> _______________________________________________
> Simpits-tech mailing list
> Simpits-tech at simpits.org
> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed May 13 12:38:17 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:38:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
In-Reply-To: <009301c9d3f6$29a7d410$0a02a8c0@your384jh9sv0b>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905130959040.28049@grumble.deltasoft.com><3a0a6c680905131035m7e7426cbxc1ac3705cf7a78c9@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 13 May 2009, Rick Davis wrote:

> What did buddy on there say he was? A senior product developer? Didn't look
> to me like he even know what he was talking about. Says they made it so you
> can snap three of them together .... hmmmm.... let's see, I wonder which
> three? Something has got to go it seems.
>
They actually are built to attach to one another and to the fancy Yoke 
they make.  There's a pic on the net of 6 of them stacked 3 to a row on 
the yoke.  It's pretty neat.

> Before any of you cats go out there and buy any of that, I will most likely
> be selling my 172 panel c/w 18 working Simkits gauges and the Simkits CCU1
> before the summer is out.
>
What for?

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From rd at ns.sympatico.ca  Wed May 13 12:46:16 2009
From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:46:16 -0300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905130959040.28049@grumble.deltasoft.com><3a0a6c680905131035m7e7426cbxc1ac3705cf7a78c9@mail.gmail.com><alpine.LFD.1.10.0905131045430.28710@grumble.deltasoft.com><009301c9d3f6$29a7d410$0a02a8c0@your384jh9sv0b>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>
To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...


> On Wed, 13 May 2009, Rick Davis wrote:
>
>> What did buddy on there say he was? A senior product developer? Didn't 
>> look
>> to me like he even know what he was talking about. Says they made it so 
>> you
>> can snap three of them together .... hmmmm.... let's see, I wonder which
>> three? Something has got to go it seems.
>>
> They actually are built to attach to one another and to the fancy Yoke
> they make.  There's a pic on the net of 6 of them stacked 3 to a row on
> the yoke.  It's pretty neat.
>
>> Before any of you cats go out there and buy any of that, I will most 
>> likely
>> be selling my 172 panel c/w 18 working Simkits gauges and the Simkits 
>> CCU1
>> before the summer is out.
>>
> What for?

Do you mean why am I getting rid of it? Or what are they good for? Or for 
how much?

R





>
> g.
>
> -- 
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
> OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!
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From rd at ns.sympatico.ca  Wed May 13 12:52:16 2009
From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:52:16 -0300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
References: <119872.51254.qm@web53406.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00c201c9d404$51cf7d40$0a02a8c0@your384jh9sv0b>

Hey Phil!

It's all together and works great aside from the Garmin (which is project for someone else.) The Yoke is installed and it's NICE. 

I have been so busy with the Video thing I doubt I'll have time to do much flying for a long time. It's been sitting in the basement with a plastic sheet over it for three months or more, so I think it's probably a unit better in someone's basement that can get some enjoyment and use out of it. Of course I'd like to just keep it there under a plastic sheet in case I ever get the itch again, but wedding vows and all that you know.

My sanity has been questioned more than once around here! ha ha

Rick

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil Enos 
  To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...



        Hey Rick,
        You get that thing off the ground yet?


          Take care and have a great day!
        -Phil



        --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Rick Davis <rd at ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:


          From: Rick Davis <rd at ns.sympatico.ca>
          Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
          To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
          Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 2:10 PM


          What did buddy on there say he was? A senior product developer? Didn't look 
          to me like he even know what he was talking about. Says they made it so you 
          can snap three of them together .... hmmmm.... let's see, I wonder which 
          three? Something has got to go it seems.

          Before any of you cats go out there and buy any of that, I will most likely 
          be selling my 172 panel c/w 18 working Simkits gauges and the Simkits CCU1 
          before the summer is out.

          If you'd like more info contact me off list. I can send along some eye 
          candy.
          rd at ns.sympatico.ca

          Rick


          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>
          To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
          Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:46 PM
          Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...


          > On Wed, 13 May 2009, William Segal wrote:
          >
          >> Bill wrote
          >> Gene
          >>
          >> Would it be possible to install their hard and software on a bigger 
          >> screen.
          >
          > Very unlikely.  Outside of the small size, the device doesn't bring much
          > new to the table.  There are other programs out there that offer the
          > ability to show instruments on a separate monitor if you need better
          > visibility.
          >
          >
          > g.
          >
          >
          > -- 
          > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
          > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
          >
          > OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
          > http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!
          > _______________________________________________
          > Simpits-tech mailing list
          > Simpits-tech at simpits.org
          > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech
          > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above 
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From catalina299 at gmail.com  Wed May 13 13:01:07 2009
From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:01:07 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905131045430.28710@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905130959040.28049@grumble.deltasoft.com> 
	<3a0a6c680905131035m7e7426cbxc1ac3705cf7a78c9@mail.gmail.com> 
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0905131045430.28710@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <3a0a6c680905131301id2f2f12r655ff319cb768f5f@mail.gmail.com>

Bill wrote
Recently I had the pleasure of talking to the President of Seattle Avionics
maker
of Voyager Moving map Flight system running on an LCD monitor
This whole application runs about $500 but the amount of information
available
is so over whellming  that most member will be blown away. This the same
type
of software a pilot would use maybe even in a heavy.It's worth a look

Regards

Bill

PS if anyone or Gene would like  me to take a run down the freeway to saitek
and inquire about additional hardware down the line it would be my pleasure
and maybe a gallon of gas or so.

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 13 May 2009, William Segal wrote:
>
> > Bill wrote
> > Gene
> >
> > Would it be possible to install their hard and software on a bigger
> screen.
>
> Very unlikely.  Outside of the small size, the device doesn't bring much
> new to the table.  There are other programs out there that offer the
> ability to show instruments on a separate monitor if you need better
> visibility.
>
>
> g.
>
>
> --
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
> OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!
> _______________________________________________
> Simpits-tech mailing list
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From fliper56789 at yahoo.com  Wed May 13 13:18:45 2009
From: fliper56789 at yahoo.com (Phil Enos)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:18:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
Message-ID: <291289.15605.qm@web53412.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Rick, if your interesred in getting rid of the garmin and the hardware board?for it from Scott?ect--- i may be interested, it?is a project i could finish





?
Take care and have a great day!
-Phil
?

--- On Wed, 5/13/09, Rick Davis <rd at ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:


From: Rick Davis <rd at ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 3:52 PM





Hey Phil!
?
It's all together and works great aside from the Garmin (which is project for someone else.) The Yoke is installed and it's NICE. 
?
I have been so busy with the Video thing I doubt I'll have time to do much flying for a long time. It's been sitting in the basement with a plastic sheet over it for three months or more, so I think it's probably a unit better in someone's basement that can get some enjoyment and use out of it. Of course I'd like to just keep it there under a plastic sheet in case I ever get the itch again, but wedding vows and all that you know.
?
My sanity has been questioned more than once around here! ha ha
?
Rick
?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Phil Enos 
To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List 
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...







Hey Rick,
You get that thing off the ground yet?




?
??Take care and have a great day!
-Phil
?

--- On Wed, 5/13/09, Rick Davis <rd at ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:


From: Rick Davis <rd at ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 2:10 PM


What did buddy on there say he was? A senior product developer? Didn't look 
to me like he even know what he was talking about. Says they made it so you 
can snap three of them together .... hmmmm.... let's see, I wonder which 
three? Something has got to go it seems.

Before any of you cats go out there and buy any of that, I will most likely 
be selling my 172 panel c/w 18 working Simkits gauges and the Simkits CCU1 
before the summer is out.

If you'd like more info contact me off list. I can send along some eye 
candy.
rd at ns.sympatico.ca

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>
To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...


> On Wed, 13 May 2009, William Segal wrote:
>
>> Bill wrote
>> Gene
>>
>> Would it be possible to install their hard and software on a bigger 
>> screen.
>
> Very unlikely.? Outside of the small size, the device doesn't bring much
> new to the table.? There are other programs out there that offer the
> ability to show instruments on a separate monitor if you need better
> visibility.
>
>
> g.
>
>
> -- 
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
> OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!
> _______________________________________________
> Simpits-tech mailing list
> Simpits-tech at simpits.org
> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech
> To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above 
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed May 13 13:39:34 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:39:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
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On Wed, 13 May 2009, Rick Davis wrote:

>>> CCU1
>>> before the summer is out.
>>>
>> What for?
>
> Do you mean why am I getting rid of it? Or what are they good for? Or for
> how much?
>

Umm.... Yes! :)

g.

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From rd at ns.sympatico.ca  Wed May 13 13:40:58 2009
From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:40:58 -0300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
References: <291289.15605.qm@web53412.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00f601c9d40b$1f27a370$0a02a8c0@your384jh9sv0b>

Phil,

I couldn't get my head around it and lacking in time. Putting all the gauges together was a bit of a project in itself. I just don't have the eyesight or patience with a soldering pencil any more and after about 5000 TV repairs under my belt I've lost my taste for that. I did manage to get the SDK working for both X-Plane 8.64 as well as V9 series, so now it works on them as well as FS 2004 and FSX. 

Jeese ... now I'll probably have to go down and fire the puppy up tonight!

Contact me off list about the Garmin 530.

R

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil Enos 
  To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...


        Rick, if your interesred in getting rid of the garmin and the hardware board for it from Scott ect--- i may be interested, it is a project i could finish



        Take care and have a great day!
        -Phil



        --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Rick Davis <rd at ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:


          From: Rick Davis <rd at ns.sympatico.ca>
          Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
          To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
          Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 3:52 PM


          Hey Phil!

          It's all together and works great aside from the Garmin (which is project for someone else.) The Yoke is installed and it's NICE. 

          I have been so busy with the Video thing I doubt I'll have time to do much flying for a long time. It's been sitting in the basement with a plastic sheet over it for three months or more, so I think it's probably a unit better in someone's basement that can get some enjoyment and use out of it. Of course I'd like to just keep it there under a plastic sheet in case I ever get the itch again, but wedding vows and all that you know.

          My sanity has been questioned more than once around here! ha ha

          Rick

            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Phil Enos 
            To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List 
            Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:24 PM
            Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...



                  Hey Rick,
                  You get that thing off the ground yet?


                    Take care and have a great day!
                  -Phil



                  --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Rick Davis <rd at ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:


                    From: Rick Davis <rd at ns.sympatico.ca>
                    Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
                    To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
                    Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 2:10 PM


                    What did buddy on there say he was? A senior product developer? Didn't look 
                    to me like he even know what he was talking about. Says they made it so you 
                    can snap three of them together .... hmmmm.... let's see, I wonder which 
                    three? Something has got to go it seems.

                    Before any of you cats go out there and buy any of that, I will most likely 
                    be selling my 172 panel c/w 18 working Simkits gauges and the Simkits CCU1 
                    before the summer is out.

                    If you'd like more info contact me off list. I can send along some eye 
                    candy.
                    rd at ns.sympatico.ca

                    Rick


                    ----- Original Message ----- 
                    From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>
                    To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
                    Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:46 PM
                    Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...


                    > On Wed, 13 May 2009, William Segal wrote:
                    >
                    >> Bill wrote
                    >> Gene
                    >>
                    >> Would it be possible to install their hard and software on a bigger 
                    >> screen.
                    >
                    > Very unlikely.  Outside of the small size, the device doesn't bring much
                    > new to the table.  There are other programs out there that offer the
                    > ability to show instruments on a separate monitor if you need better
                    > visibility.
                    >
                    >
                    > g.
                    >
                    >
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From rd at ns.sympatico.ca  Wed May 13 14:47:15 2009
From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:47:15 -0300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905130959040.28049@grumble.deltasoft.com><3a0a6c680905131035m7e7426cbxc1ac3705cf7a78c9@mail.gmail.com><alpine.LFD.1.10.0905131045430.28710@grumble.deltasoft.com><009301c9d3f6$29a7d410$0a02a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><alpine.LFD.1.10.0905131237250.30910@grumble.deltasoft.com><00b301c9d403$7b74c390$0a02a8c0@your384jh9sv0b>
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Gene,

I'll send you the info off list so as not to turn your site into a barter 
blog. Give me a bit and I'll send some pictures and make up a  list.

I will say, it would be insane to break up the set. The gauges will only 
work with the CCU, (they are not the USB variety) so I'm not about to sell 
off the gauges individually. Even to someone who has their own CCU and leave 
a bunch of empty holes in the 172 panel.  I would probably keep it before I 
did that. Not only myself, but Phil and his son put a lot of work into this. 
It's become sort of a nomad, but I'll bet it's been a school on wheels for 
all concerned so far.

I just wish I had more time to use it because it's a whole long way from the 
29.00 joystick I started out with a few years ago. Expensive, but a fart in 
the wind compared to what you guys are doing.

Anyway, stand by,

R



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>
To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...


> On Wed, 13 May 2009, Rick Davis wrote:
>
>>>> CCU1
>>>> before the summer is out.
>>>>
>>> What for?
>>
>> Do you mean why am I getting rid of it? Or what are they good for? Or for
>> how much?
>>
>
> Umm.... Yes! :)
>
> g.
>
> -- 
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
> OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!
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From rd at ns.sympatico.ca  Wed May 13 16:19:11 2009
From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 20:19:11 -0300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905130959040.28049@grumble.deltasoft.com><3a0a6c680905131035m7e7426cbxc1ac3705cf7a78c9@mail.gmail.com><alpine.LFD.1.10.0905131045430.28710@grumble.deltasoft.com><009301c9d3f6$29a7d410$0a02a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><alpine.LFD.1.10.0905131237250.30910@grumble.deltasoft.com><00b301c9d403$7b74c390$0a02a8c0@your384jh9sv0b>
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BTW,

My good buddy, Bill Segal, has first dibs on all of this gear. If he doesn't 
want it, it goes to the highest bidder.

I'll leave it at that. Contact me off list about this please for any future 
correspondence.

R



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>
To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Interesting new product from Saitek...


> On Wed, 13 May 2009, Rick Davis wrote:
>
>>>> CCU1
>>>> before the summer is out.
>>>>
>>> What for?
>>
>> Do you mean why am I getting rid of it? Or what are they good for? Or for
>> how much?
>>
>
> Umm.... Yes! :)
>
> g.
>
> -- 
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
> OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu May 14 14:48:25 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 14:48:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] DIY video projector...
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905141447310.16746@grumble.deltasoft.com>


I found this video on YT today and it shows the exact method I'll be using 
for all the projectors for the F-15 and the other cockpits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmgwWtDgVSI&feature=related

Great stuff.

g.



-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From rd at ns.sympatico.ca  Thu May 14 15:00:42 2009
From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:00:42 -0300
Subject: [simpits-tech] DIY video projector...
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905141447310.16746@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <00c101c9d4df$6d659860$0a02a8c0@your384jh9sv0b>

Well Sir,

 That is pretty damned cool. The KISS theory taken to the extreme.

You know, you wouldn't even have to bother tearing apart the monitor. Just 
adjust the view of the lens so it doesn't go beyond the screen image.

I don't know what the fans were all about either. You don't need the light 
on underneath so no heat there, and monitors don't have fans anyway.

Awesome in any respect.

I'll be on the look-out for an old transparency projector for sure.

Thanks for sharing that Gene.

r



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>
To: <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:48 PM
Subject: [simpits-tech] DIY video projector...


>
> I found this video on YT today and it shows the exact method I'll be using
> for all the projectors for the F-15 and the other cockpits.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmgwWtDgVSI&feature=related
>
> Great stuff.
>
> g.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
> A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!
> _______________________________________________
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> Simpits-tech at simpits.org
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu May 14 20:16:10 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:16:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] DIY video projector...
In-Reply-To: <00c101c9d4df$6d659860$0a02a8c0@your384jh9sv0b>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905141447310.16746@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<00c101c9d4df$6d659860$0a02a8c0@your384jh9sv0b>
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> That is pretty damned cool. The KISS theory taken to the extreme.
>
> You know, you wouldn't even have to bother tearing apart the monitor. Just
> adjust the view of the lens so it doesn't go beyond the screen image.
>
> I don't know what the fans were all about either. You don't need the light
> on underneath so no heat there, and monitors don't have fans anyway.
>
Rick, I don't think you understand how it works. :)

The backlight of an LCD monitor isn't strong enough to project all but the 
faintest amount of light through the lens system.  By removing the LCD 
panel from the case, you're allowing the incredibly bright light from the 
projector to "be" the backlight.  The fan is needed to prevent the 
incredibly intense light from the projector from doing damage to the 
delicate LCD panel.

g.



-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From frank at rezultat.dk  Thu May 14 22:15:33 2009
From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 07:15:33 +0200
Subject: [simpits-tech] DIY video projector...
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Message-ID: <88BE307847E54DA290A069699023D992@frankzepto>

He
I used this technique back in the "new born" days
It was a cheap way to make projection - but never as good as what you can
buy for money these day - so go for a real projector instead...

think I have a Picture somewhere -----

Regards
Frank

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af Gene Buckle
Sendt: 15. maj 2009 05:16
Til: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List
Emne: Re: [simpits-tech] DIY video projector...

> That is pretty damned cool. The KISS theory taken to the extreme.
>
> You know, you wouldn't even have to bother tearing apart the monitor. Just
> adjust the view of the lens so it doesn't go beyond the screen image.
>
> I don't know what the fans were all about either. You don't need the light
> on underneath so no heat there, and monitors don't have fans anyway.
>
Rick, I don't think you understand how it works. :)

The backlight of an LCD monitor isn't strong enough to project all but the 
faintest amount of light through the lens system.  By removing the LCD 
panel from the case, you're allowing the incredibly bright light from the 
projector to "be" the backlight.  The fan is needed to prevent the 
incredibly intense light from the projector from doing damage to the 
delicate LCD panel.

g.



-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!
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From rd at ns.sympatico.ca  Fri May 15 03:43:19 2009
From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 07:43:19 -0300
Subject: [simpits-tech] DIY video projector...
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905141447310.16746@grumble.deltasoft.com><00c101c9d4df$6d659860$0a02a8c0@your384jh9sv0b>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0905142013440.19055@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c9d549$f6aeceb0$0a02a8c0@your384jh9sv0b>

Ah ha.

I did wonder about the brightness and thought it was pretty amazing. Didn't 
watch what he was doing close enough there I guess.

Still, a very novel idea.

R

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>
To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] DIY video projector...


>> That is pretty damned cool. The KISS theory taken to the extreme.
>>
>> You know, you wouldn't even have to bother tearing apart the monitor. 
>> Just
>> adjust the view of the lens so it doesn't go beyond the screen image.
>>
>> I don't know what the fans were all about either. You don't need the 
>> light
>> on underneath so no heat there, and monitors don't have fans anyway.
>>
> Rick, I don't think you understand how it works. :)
>
> The backlight of an LCD monitor isn't strong enough to project all but the
> faintest amount of light through the lens system.  By removing the LCD
> panel from the case, you're allowing the incredibly bright light from the
> projector to "be" the backlight.  The fan is needed to prevent the
> incredibly intense light from the projector from doing damage to the
> delicate LCD panel.
>
> g.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
> A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!
> _______________________________________________
> Simpits-tech mailing list
> Simpits-tech at simpits.org
> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech
> To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above 
> page.  Thanks! 


From adm.design at verizon.net  Fri May 15 05:41:04 2009
From: adm.design at verizon.net (Alan D. Mazurka)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:41:04 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] DIY video projector...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905141447310.16746@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905141447310.16746@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <0KJO003VPR8NTYK6@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>

hi, Gene

i'm betting this is a stopgap measure for you at best.

considering the investment in all the cockpit so far (including the 
building & equipment), the visual system will not ( eventually ) be 
compromised.

since your eyes spend most of the time staring at the screen, you 
want this to be at least as good as everything else. in fact, that's 
where i put most of my money first, because (at least for me), the 
vast majority of the time is spent staring at the screen.

and yes, projectors are getting fantastic. there has been a 
divergence between "computer monitor" projectors and those used in 
home theater.

i've yet to tote the hi-def home theater projector into the sim to 
see how it works.

anyone see one of those LED displays in action?? i'm wondering how 
neat they would look in a glass cockpit, though i wonder if they will 
be released in smaller formats.

  - adm -

At 05:48 PM 5/14/2009, you wrote:

>I found this video on YT today and it shows the exact method I'll be using
>for all the projectors for the F-15 and the other cockpits.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmgwWtDgVSI&feature=related
>
>Great stuff.
>
>g.
>
>
>
>--
>Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
>http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
>ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
>A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
>http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri May 15 06:12:39 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 06:12:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] DIY video projector...
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On Fri, 15 May 2009, Frank Riedel wrote:

> He
> I used this technique back in the "new born" days
> It was a cheap way to make projection - but never as good as what you can
> buy for money these day - so go for a real projector instead...
>

Frank, what flaws did you see in the process?  I know that a "real" 
projector is the "right" way to go, but at $900 each for good ones, it's 
not really practical.  Especially when you consider that bulb replacements
can cost upwards of $300 each.

g.



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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri May 15 06:26:51 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 06:26:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] DIY video projector...
In-Reply-To: <0KJO003VPR8NTYK6@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905141447310.16746@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<0KJO003VPR8NTYK6@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
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On Fri, 15 May 2009, Alan D. Mazurka wrote:

> hi, Gene
>
> i'm betting this is a stopgap measure for you at best.
>
> considering the investment in all the cockpit so far (including the building 
> & equipment), the visual system will not ( eventually ) be compromised.
>
You'd be surprised at how much time I've spent avoiding spending money. :)

If I go to a "Fancier" system, it'll be something along the lines of these 
guys:  http://www.diyprojectorcompany.com/

They provide plans on how to build your own projector system using off the 
shelf parts and regular LCD monitors.  Lumen Labs is the primary vendor, 
although they seem to be out of stock on a lot of the parts.

At some point Rob & I are going to build a 180 degree dome system as 
described in this whitepaper: (it's 42MB)

http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/papers/graphite2007/graphite2007.pdf

When the dome is built, I'll be working with one of the FlightGear 
graphics developers to have them add the pre-distortion to the image so 
that it appears correctly when projected against the dome.

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri May 15 07:20:06 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 07:20:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit shell....
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905150718370.24645@grumble.deltasoft.com>

Someone posted this auction to the comment section of my DIY blog:

http://www.propertyroom.com/ItemDetails.aspx?l=6625318

It appears to be some kind of partially completed CPT. (Cockpit Procedures 
Trainer)

g.


-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Fri May 15 08:13:10 2009
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:13:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 69, Issue 10
Message-ID: <487170.1850.qm@web111512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

At 05:48 PM 5/14/2009, you wrote:



I found this video on YT today and it shows the exact method I'll be using 
for all the projectors for the F-15 and the other cockpits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmgwWtDgVSI&feature=related

Great stuff.

g.

?
Gene, 
I have had great luck with used projectors on Ebay. I used to use an overhead but at $200 to $300 I am in the proxima projector camp now. They are much?less combersome than the overhead setup.


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri May 15 08:34:28 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:34:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 69, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <487170.1850.qm@web111512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <487170.1850.qm@web111512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905150833540.25444@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Gene, I have had great luck with used projectors on Ebay. I used to use 
> an overhead but at $200 to $300 I am in the proxima projector camp now. 
> They are much?less combersome than the overhead setup.

I agree, but you'll spend at least if not twice that to replace the bulb.

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
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From catalina299 at gmail.com  Fri May 15 10:51:10 2009
From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:51:10 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit shell....
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905150718370.24645@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905150718370.24645@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <3a0a6c680905151051x544a0357lcaf1ec717a05b980@mail.gmail.com>

I bid on it wish I had not it weighs thousands too big for my house its
aluminum not fiberglass . The only thing its good forfor me is ,is to trash
it some how wish I had never seen the damm thing pray for a new bidder


Bill
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:

> Someone posted this auction to the comment section of my DIY blog:
>
> http://www.propertyroom.com/ItemDetails.aspx?lf25318
>
> It appears to be some kind of partially completed CPT. (Cockpit Procedures
> Trainer)
>
> g.
>
>
> --
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
> A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri May 15 11:32:38 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:32:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit shell....
In-Reply-To: <3a0a6c680905151051x544a0357lcaf1ec717a05b980@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905150718370.24645@grumble.deltasoft.com>
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On Fri, 15 May 2009, William Segal wrote:

> I bid on it wish I had not it weighs thousands too big for my house its
> aluminum not fiberglass . The only thing its good forfor me is ,is to trash
> it some how wish I had never seen the damm thing pray for a new bidder
>
>
So retract the bid.  You never should have bid on it to begin with if you 
have no place to put it or to transport it.  Jeeze.

g.


-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

From catalina299 at gmail.com  Fri May 15 11:43:08 2009
From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:43:08 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit shell....
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905151132040.27907@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905150718370.24645@grumble.deltasoft.com> 
	<3a0a6c680905151051x544a0357lcaf1ec717a05b980@mail.gmail.com> 
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0905151132040.27907@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <3a0a6c680905151143i7ae86dedge01cec366392a41d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Gene
They won't let me retract it. I read everything about it but I missed
something
I thought it was fiberglass. It's sheet metal I have no way to cut that or
even dump it.
The size assuming it was glass I could cut it down under those conditions it
looks great
but I missed the part about it being metal .Anyway maybe he will get another
bid there are
6.5 days to go ? I offered to pay the man right now today for it and let him
keep it if I am the
high bidder so I am waiting for an answer ?

Regards

Bill

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 15 May 2009, William Segal wrote:
>
> > I bid on it wish I had not it weighs thousands too big for my house its
> > aluminum not fiberglass . The only thing its good forfor me is ,is to
> trash
> > it some how wish I had never seen the damm thing pray for a new bidder
> >
> >
> So retract the bid.  You never should have bid on it to begin with if you
> have no place to put it or to transport it.  Jeeze.
>
> g.
>
>
> --
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
> A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
> _______________________________________________
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri May 15 11:47:15 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:47:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit shell....
In-Reply-To: <3a0a6c680905151143i7ae86dedge01cec366392a41d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905150718370.24645@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<3a0a6c680905151051x544a0357lcaf1ec717a05b980@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0905151132040.27907@grumble.deltasoft.com>
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On Fri, 15 May 2009, William Segal wrote:

> Hi Gene
> They won't let me retract it. I read everything about it but I missed
> something
> I thought it was fiberglass. It's sheet metal I have no way to cut that or
> even dump it.

You NEVER, EVER, EVER buy a simulator cab with the thought of "Gee, I can 
just cut that down and put it back together later."  EVER.

NEVER.


EVER.


g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

From rd at ns.sympatico.ca  Fri May 15 12:14:27 2009
From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 16:14:27 -0300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit shell....
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905150718370.24645@grumble.deltasoft.com><3a0a6c680905151051x544a0357lcaf1ec717a05b980@mail.gmail.com><alpine.LFD.1.10.0905151132040.27907@grumble.deltasoft.com><3a0a6c680905151143i7ae86dedge01cec366392a41d@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0905151145570.27907@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <010e01c9d591$5dd8bff0$0a02a8c0@your384jh9sv0b>

Bill,

If by some freak of nature you get that for two hundred dollars, I will come 
down to LA. We'll tow it to a scrap metal dealer. We will take out the seats 
and cut out anything else of value (cockpit panel etc) right in the parking 
lot with a reciprocating saw, and sell the rest (including the trailer - 
which is probably worth 1000.00) as scrap metal. You might go home with a 
few jinglies in your pocket even!

But let's be realistic about this. If you can buy something like that for 
200.00, I'm moving to California. I'll hook it up to the ass end of my Jeep 
and put a mattress in it. Then I'll wire up some lights on it and register 
it as a camper! A little swing out awning in the back. You know ... nice.

ha ha







> On Fri, 15 May 2009, William Segal wrote:
>
>> Hi Gene
>> They won't let me retract it. I read everything about it but I missed
>> something
>> I thought it was fiberglass. It's sheet metal I have no way to cut that 
>> or
>> even dump it.
>
> You NEVER, EVER, EVER buy a simulator cab with the thought of "Gee, I can
> just cut that down and put it back together later."  EVER.
>
> NEVER.
>
>
> EVER.
>
>
> g.
>
> -- 
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
> A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
> _______________________________________________
> Simpits-tech mailing list
> Simpits-tech at simpits.org
> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech
> To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above 
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From catalina299 at gmail.com  Fri May 15 12:30:44 2009
From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:30:44 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit shell....
In-Reply-To: <010e01c9d591$5dd8bff0$0a02a8c0@your384jh9sv0b>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905150718370.24645@grumble.deltasoft.com> 
	<3a0a6c680905151051x544a0357lcaf1ec717a05b980@mail.gmail.com> 
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0905151132040.27907@grumble.deltasoft.com> 
	<3a0a6c680905151143i7ae86dedge01cec366392a41d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0905151145570.27907@grumble.deltasoft.com> 
	<010e01c9d591$5dd8bff0$0a02a8c0@your384jh9sv0b>
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It has 2 full PFC Hvy yokes +a real live throttle quadrant and maybe some
real gauges could be worth thousands if it was glass I would win it no
matter what or if it was Aluminum I would bid like hell but its sheet metal
man is above my head. It could have real gauges but I don't think it fly's
software. It was a test lab but someone that wants to convert it its a steel
at any price


billy
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Rick Davis <rd at ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Bill,
>
> If by some freak of nature you get that for two hundred dollars, I will
> come
> down to LA. We'll tow it to a scrap metal dealer. We will take out the
> seats
> and cut out anything else of value (cockpit panel etc) right in the parking
> lot with a reciprocating saw, and sell the rest (including the trailer -
> which is probably worth 1000.00) as scrap metal. You might go home with a
> few jinglies in your pocket even!
>
> But let's be realistic about this. If you can buy something like that for
> 200.00, I'm moving to California. I'll hook it up to the ass end of my Jeep
> and put a mattress in it. Then I'll wire up some lights on it and register
> it as a camper! A little swing out awning in the back. You know ... nice.
>
> ha ha
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 15 May 2009, William Segal wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Gene
> >> They won't let me retract it. I read everything about it but I missed
> >> something
> >> I thought it was fiberglass. It's sheet metal I have no way to cut that
> >> or
> >> even dump it.
> >
> > You NEVER, EVER, EVER buy a simulator cab with the thought of "Gee, I can
> > just cut that down and put it back together later."  EVER.
> >
> > NEVER.
> >
> >
> > EVER.
> >
> >
> > g.
> >
> > --
> > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
> >
> > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
> > A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> > http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
> > _______________________________________________
> > Simpits-tech mailing list
> > Simpits-tech at simpits.org
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From spmacdonald at simcraft.com  Sun May 17 08:05:41 2009
From: spmacdonald at simcraft.com (Sean MacDonald (SimCraft))
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:05:41 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] High performance motion sim development kit
	launched...
Message-ID: <045b01c9d700$f24a7eb0$6601a8c0@SHAGGY>

Hello purveyors of simpits.org.  My company launched a product this past
week that is one you may be interested in checking out.   It builds upon our
completely free motion sim option (http://www.sourceforge.net/simcraftdiy)
that my late father launched over a decade ago and enjoyed working on with
sim builders around the world.
 
The product is called SimCraft STAR and basically it incorporates all the
hard parts of motion sim in a box and leaves the design and customization of
the cockpit to you.
 
You can read about STAR here:
http://www.simcraft.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=39
 
and here:
 
http://www.simcraft.com/star.html
 
 
Thank you for your time and consideration,
Sean
 
 
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun May 17 09:25:51 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:25:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] High performance motion sim development kit
 launched...
In-Reply-To: <045b01c9d700$f24a7eb0$6601a8c0@SHAGGY>
References: <045b01c9d700$f24a7eb0$6601a8c0@SHAGGY>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905170921370.20563@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Sun, 17 May 2009, Sean MacDonald (SimCraft) wrote:

> Hello purveyors of simpits.org.  My company launched a product this past
> week that is one you may be interested in checking out.   It builds upon our
> completely free motion sim option (http://www.sourceforge.net/simcraftdiy)
> that my late father launched over a decade ago and enjoyed working on with
> sim builders around the world.
>
That's pretty damn cool.  Check out the video:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2539605/simcraft_the_first_prototype/

btw, the correct Sourceforge link is 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/simcraftdiy/

g.


-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

From catalina299 at gmail.com  Sun May 17 10:47:57 2009
From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 10:47:57 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] High performance motion sim development kit
	launched...
In-Reply-To: <045b01c9d700$f24a7eb0$6601a8c0@SHAGGY>
References: <045b01c9d700$f24a7eb0$6601a8c0@SHAGGY>
Message-ID: <3a0a6c680905171047h7d967a16l5cbb806c1331ad05@mail.gmail.com>

Bill wrote



What this is ,is a adaptation of Acesim.com basic 2 degree of motion
simulator .I have not read it but by looking at it,it appears to be the
original idea that I bought the plans for and built out of PVC highly
updated
NOT a authentic professional 3 degree of motion platform. While real ones
might not be in form you can buy a professional 3 degree of motion simulator
ready to install you cockpit on it for $30,000 .For a long time before the
recession I was a serious buyer so I looked at many  companies that built
small commercial simulators..

Several builders including innovation simulator had the idea to build an
individual personal small foot print platform capable of holding 400 pounds
Maximum including the sim&the pilots weight  for $5,000 .I have a feeling
that once the economy turns around if it ever does we will again see an
individual simulator hit the streets for $10,000 maybe less. I saw a picture
and a movie of an individual cockpit basically
it was a Cessna 172 a section about 5 feet long duplicated in Fiberglass.
What I saw and what I was willing to buy was a chair sim full 3 degree of
motion not 6 degree for $4995 with no cockpit. Frankly at that time
it would not work for me as I weighed 280 pounds. Now at 189 pounds I would
have bought it in a new york minute.If you can wait a couple of years I am
sure they will come to market w/Asian parts under $5000
There is a movie floating around on "you tube" probably because it 6-7 years
ago from I think Cal Poly Pomona California that showed it as a tub (like in
bathtub)and student were trying it out.that one had major
movement much more than this one because this is limited by the frame where
that one was built by a company that builds simulators up to 1/2 million
dollars . As you read you'll guess I don't have much of opinion of it. Try
and get in it I did almost broke my shoulder had a bruised shoulder for a
long time. Those longitudinal bars restrict the actual limitation of   the
aileron movement unlike a real one where there is no
limitation in theory.If you can find that movie it blow you away its almost
like being on one of them giant rollycoasters  . The one in the Move could
handle an F-16,15,14  an aerobatic aircraft .

regards

Bill


On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Sean MacDonald (SimCraft) <
spmacdonald at simcraft.com> wrote:

>  Hello purveyors of simpits.org.  My company launched a product this past
> week that is one you may be interested in checking out.   It builds upon our
> completely free motion sim option (http://www.sourceforge.net/simcraftdiy)
> that my late father launched over a decade ago and enjoyed working on with
> sim builders around the world.
>
> The product is called SimCraft STAR and basically it incorporates all the
> hard parts of motion sim in a box and leaves the design and customization of
> the cockpit to you.
>
> You can read about STAR here:
> http://www.simcraft.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid9
>
> and here:
>
> http://www.simcraft.com/star.html
>
>
> Thank you for your time and consideration,
> Sean
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Sun May 17 17:49:16 2009
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 17:49:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple windows in FS9
Message-ID: <422648.91008.qm@web111510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Im experimenting with a Matrox TripleHead2Go and projectors. I am using 3 windows rather than 1 wide one. Two windows are for the right and left views. Since the normal views only snap to ther right and left as long as you hold the view key down I used the virtual cockpit view and panned it to the position I wanted, then saved the flight. Here is the problem, when I reset the flight or leave FS and?restart the program?the views open?ahowing the forward facing?position. So? have 3 views showing straight forward and I have to manual pan the right and left view every time. How do I save a flight where the side views stay where I want them?
?
Thx.

????? Justin Messenger
Simulator Fly-Off Coordinator
-----------------------------------
Grasshopper Festival
Augusta Sunrise Parade
Kansas Museum of Military History 
Cell (501) 620-6004
www.KMMH.org
http://www.downtownaugustainc.com/

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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Sun May 17 23:45:28 2009
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:45:28 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple windows in FS9
In-Reply-To: <422648.91008.qm@web111510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <422648.91008.qm@web111510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0KJT000TAUS0CQ30@smtp3.clear.net.nz>

I've done it, but performance was awfull :(

The trick is NOT to use VC views, but to configure the panel.cfg, 
then assign the views to each window (or edit the FLT file)  It does 
work, and I can probably find the panel config I created if that's any help?

Sean

At 12:49 p.m. 18/05/2009, you wrote:

>Im experimenting with a Matrox TripleHead2Go and projectors. I am 
>using 3 windows rather than 1 wide one. Two windows are for the 
>right and left views. Since the normal views only snap to ther right 
>and left as long as you hold the view key down I used the virtual 
>cockpit view and panned it to the position I wanted, then saved the 
>flight. Here is the problem, when I reset the flight or leave FS and 
>restart the program the views open ahowing the forward facing 
>position. So  have 3 views showing straight forward and I have to 
>manual pan the right and left view every time. How do I save a 
>flight where the side views stay where I want them?
>
>Thx.
>
>       Justin Messenger
>
>Simulator Fly-Off Coordinator
>
>-----------------------------------
>
>Grasshopper Festival
>
>Augusta Sunrise Parade
>
>Kansas Museum of Military History
>
>Cell (501) 620-6004
>
><http://www.kmmh.org/>www.KMMH.org
>
>http://www.downtownaugustainc.com/
>
>
>
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From frank at rezultat.dk  Mon May 18 00:42:54 2009
From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:42:54 +0200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple windows in FS9
In-Reply-To: <0KJT000TAUS0CQ30@smtp3.clear.net.nz>
References: <422648.91008.qm@web111510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<0KJT000TAUS0CQ30@smtp3.clear.net.nz>
Message-ID: <4D8864A43CE247209C16BEEABD431D8F@frankzepto>

What version of FS ??

/Frank

 

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Fra: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af Sean Galbraith
Sendt: 18. maj 2009 08:45
Til: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List
Emne: Re: [simpits-tech] Multiple windows in FS9

 

I've done it, but performance was awfull :(

The trick is NOT to use VC views, but to configure the panel.cfg, then
assign the views to each window (or edit the FLT file)  It does work, and I
can probably find the panel config I created if that's any help?

Sean

At 12:49 p.m. 18/05/2009, you wrote:




Im experimenting with a Matrox TripleHead2Go and projectors. I am using 3
windows rather than 1 wide one. Two windows are for the right and left
views. Since the normal views only snap to ther right and left as long as
you hold the view key down I used the virtual cockpit view and panned it to
the position I wanted, then saved the flight. Here is the problem, when I
reset the flight or leave FS and restart the program the views open ahowing
the forward facing position. So  have 3 views showing straight forward and I
have to manual pan the right and left view every time. How do I save a
flight where the side views stay where I want them?
 
Thx.

      Justin Messenger

 

Simulator Fly-Off Coordinator

 

-----------------------------------

 

Grasshopper Festival

 

Augusta Sunrise Parade

 

Kansas Museum of Military History 

 

Cell (501) 620-6004

 

www.KMMH.org <http://www.kmmh.org/> 

 

http://www.downtownaugustainc.com/

 


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From echotech1452 at gmail.com  Mon May 18 05:51:23 2009
From: echotech1452 at gmail.com (delor lauchang)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:51:23 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple windows in FS9
In-Reply-To: <422648.91008.qm@web111510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <422648.91008.qm@web111510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ededccec0905180551h7fe68bcam537f2dfa74344b31@mail.gmail.com>

hi,
have the set-up then save, before you start flying, and use that as your
default start.

for fs2004, you can use view option to assign your views, my forward left
panel as view1, forward panel as view2, forward right panel view3, my lower
panel for instruments as view0. you can either use cockpit or virtual view.

for fsx, you do it a you as you are doing it now.

thats how i configure my set up, iam using 32" for my panel, and three 22"
for my views, two auxillary 7" on my left and right instruments as my nav
and gps, all LCD's.
 i have three 512 pci-x16 double dvi ATI radeon video card with dual athlon
64 AMD with 4gb of ram and almost no latency or stutters.

and before i forget i also used the frame rate enhancer FS9CFG, not the
default FS9CFG.
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Justin Messenger <jjmessenger at yahoo.com>wrote:

>
> Im experimenting with a Matrox TripleHead2Go and projectors. I am using 3
> windows rather than 1 wide one. Two windows are for the right and left
> views. Since the normal views only snap to ther right and left as long as
> you hold the view key down I used the virtual cockpit view and panned it to
> the position I wanted, then saved the flight. Here is the problem, when I
> reset the flight or leave FS and restart the program the views open ahowing
> the forward facing position. So*  have 3 views showing straight forward
> and I have to manual pan the right and left view every time. *How do I
> save a flight where the side views stay where I want them?
>
> Thx.
>
>       Justin Messenger
>
> Simulator Fly-Off Coordinator
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> Grasshopper Festival
>
> Augusta Sunrise Parade
>
> Kansas Museum of Military History
>
> Cell (501) 620-6004
>
> www.KMMH.org <http://www.kmmh.org/>
>
> http://www.downtownaugustainc.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From frank at rezultat.dk  Mon May 18 05:58:37 2009
From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:58:37 +0200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple windows in FS9
In-Reply-To: <ededccec0905180551h7fe68bcam537f2dfa74344b31@mail.gmail.com>
References: <422648.91008.qm@web111510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<ededccec0905180551h7fe68bcam537f2dfa74344b31@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B687DC888D3E410594FC67EAF78A157E@frankzepto>

Hi Delor


Are you using 2 MT2G on this setup ???
or only 1 for the OTW ??

Frank

 

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[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af delor lauchang
Sendt: 18. maj 2009 14:51
Til: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List
Emne: [Spam] Re: [simpits-tech] Multiple windows in FS9

 

hi,

have the set-up then save, before you start flying, and use that as your
default start.

 

for fs2004, you can use view option to assign your views, my forward left
panel as view1, forward panel as view2, forward right panel view3, my lower
panel for instruments as view0. you can either use cockpit or virtual view.

 

for fsx, you do it a you as you are doing it now.

 

thats how i configure my set up, iam using 32" for my panel, and three 22"
for my views, two auxillary 7" on my left and right instruments as my nav
and gps, all LCD's.
 i have three 512 pci-x16 double dvi ATI radeon video card with dual athlon
64 AMD with 4gb of ram and almost no latency or stutters.

 

and before i forget i also used the frame rate enhancer FS9CFG, not the
default FS9CFG.

On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Justin Messenger <jjmessenger at yahoo.com>
wrote:



Im experimenting with a Matrox TripleHead2Go and projectors. I am using 3
windows rather than 1 wide one. Two windows are for the right and left
views. Since the normal views only snap to ther right and left as long as
you hold the view key down I used the virtual cockpit view and panned it to
the position I wanted, then saved the flight. Here is the problem, when I
reset the flight or leave FS and restart the program the views open ahowing
the forward facing position. So  have 3 views showing straight forward and I
have to manual pan the right and left view every time. How do I save a
flight where the side views stay where I want them?

 

Thx.

      Justin Messenger 

Simulator Fly-Off Coordinator 

----------------------------------- 

Grasshopper Festival 

Augusta Sunrise Parade 

Kansas Museum of Military History 

Cell (501) 620-6004 

www.KMMH.org <http://www.kmmh.org/>  

http://www.downtownaugustainc.com/ 

 



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From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Mon May 18 06:10:43 2009
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 06:10:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple windows in FS9
Message-ID: <638111.50290.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Yes, I would like to see your config?file Sean. Im using FS2004 (FS9). 
Justin
?
?
Monday, May 18, 2009 1:45 AM



From: 

"Sean Galbraith" <sean.g at paradise.net.nz>



To: 
"Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>


I've done it, but performance was awfull :(

The trick is NOT to use VC views, but to configure the panel.cfg, then assign the views to each window (or edit the FLT file)? It does work, and I can probably find the panel config I created if that's any help?



????? Justin Messenger
Simulator Fly-Off Coordinator
-----------------------------------
Grasshopper Festival
Augusta Sunrise Parade
Kansas Museum of Military History 
Cell (501) 620-6004
www.KMMH.org
http://www.downtownaugustainc.com/

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From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Mon May 18 06:21:39 2009
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 06:21:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 69, Issue 13
Message-ID: <124797.57233.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

hi,
have the set-up then save, before you start flying, and use that as your default start.
?
for fs2004, you can use view option to assign your views, my forward left panel as view1, forward panel as view2, forward right panel view3, my lower panel for instruments as view0. you can either use cockpit or virtual view.
?
for fsx, you do it a you as you are doing it now.
?
thats how i configure my set up, iam using 32" for my panel, and three 22" for my views, two auxillary 7" on my left and right instruments as my nav and gps, all LCD's.
?i have three 512 pci-x16 double dvi ATI radeon video card with dual athlon 64 AMD with 4gb of ram?and almost no latency or stutters.
?
and before i forget i also used the frame rate enhancer FS9CFG, not the default FS9CFG.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The screen positions are lost, even though I saved the flight. I didnt know there was frame rate enhancer FS9CFG. I do use the no CD CFG from flightsim.com

????? Justin Messenger
Simulator Fly-Off Coordinator
-----------------------------------
Grasshopper Festival
Augusta Sunrise Parade
Kansas Museum of Military History 
Cell (501) 620-6004
www.KMMH.org
http://www.downtownaugustainc.com/

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From echotech1452 at gmail.com  Mon May 18 06:43:14 2009
From: echotech1452 at gmail.com (delor lauchang)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:43:14 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Multiple windows in FS9
In-Reply-To: <B687DC888D3E410594FC67EAF78A157E@frankzepto>
References: <422648.91008.qm@web111510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<ededccec0905180551h7fe68bcam537f2dfa74344b31@mail.gmail.com>
	<B687DC888D3E410594FC67EAF78A157E@frankzepto>
Message-ID: <ededccec0905180643h435cfb35ha8722750f99b9767@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Frank,

used it before and it did not give the desired frame rate of at least 15fps.

used my two dual dvi 512 video card for the outside view, the frame
rate reliever FS9CFG I got from Simviation, improved my frame rate, Iam even
getting 20fps at ground and 28fps flying, no stutters or latency.

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Frank Riedel <frank at rezultat.dk> wrote:

>  Hi Delor
>
>
> Are you using 2 MT2G on this setup ???
> or only 1 for the OTW ??
>
> Frank
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *Fra:* simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:
> simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] *P? vegne af *delor lauchang
> *Sendt:* 18. maj 2009 14:51
> *Til:* Simulator Cockpit Builder's List
> *Emne:* [Spam] Re: [simpits-tech] Multiple windows in FS9
>
>
>
> hi,
>
> have the set-up then save, before you start flying, and use that as your
> default start.
>
>
>
> for fs2004, you can use view option to assign your views, my forward left
> panel as view1, forward panel as view2, forward right panel view3, my lower
> panel for instruments as view0. you can either use cockpit or virtual view.
>
>
>
> for fsx, you do it a you as you are doing it now.
>
>
>
> thats how i configure my set up, iam using 32" for my panel, and three 22"
> for my views, two auxillary 7" on my left and right instruments as my nav
> and gps, all LCD's.
>  i have three 512 pci-x16 double dvi ATI radeon video card with dual athlon
> 64 AMD with 4gb of ram and almost no latency or stutters.
>
>
>
> and before i forget i also used the frame rate enhancer FS9CFG, not the
> default FS9CFG.
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Justin Messenger <jjmessenger at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Im experimenting with a Matrox TripleHead2Go and projectors. I am using 3
> windows rather than 1 wide one. Two windows are for the right and left
> views. Since the normal views only snap to ther right and left as long as
> you hold the view key down I used the virtual cockpit view and panned it to
> the position I wanted, then saved the flight. Here is the problem, when I
> reset the flight or leave FS and restart the program the views open ahowing
> the forward facing position. So*  have 3 views showing straight forward
> and I have to manual pan the right and left view every time. *How do I
> save a flight where the side views stay where I want them?
>
>
>
> Thx.
>
>       Justin Messenger
>
> Simulator Fly-Off Coordinator
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> Grasshopper Festival
>
> Augusta Sunrise Parade
>
> Kansas Museum of Military History
>
> Cell (501) 620-6004
>
> www.KMMH.org <http://www.kmmh.org/>
>
> http://www.downtownaugustainc.com/
>
>
>
>
>
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From echotech1452 at gmail.com  Mon May 18 06:51:24 2009
From: echotech1452 at gmail.com (delor lauchang)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:51:24 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 69, Issue 13
In-Reply-To: <124797.57233.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <124797.57233.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ededccec0905180651u2310a3f2le6b2da2e3a26e459@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

try to see the correct display positions in the display control panel and
have a trial error which display will retain which postion, use the view
option to change your view positions.

the registered FSUIPC and the frame rate reliever I got from Simviation,
improved my frame to the greatest extent.

if you also know how to change your panel CFG, you can change the forward
right to 20 with 1.18 zoom and forward left to -20 with 1.18 zoom.

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Justin Messenger <jjmessenger at yahoo.com>wrote:

>   hi,
> have the set-up then save, before you start flying, and use that as your
> default start.
>
> for fs2004, you can use view option to assign your views, my forward left
> panel as view1, forward panel as view2, forward right panel view3, my lower
> panel for instruments as view0. you can either use cockpit or virtual view.
>
> for fsx, you do it a you as you are doing it now.
>
> thats how i configure my set up, iam using 32" for my panel, and three 22"
> for my views, two auxillary 7" on my left and right instruments as my nav
> and gps, all LCD's.
>  i have three 512 pci-x16 double dvi ATI radeon video card with dual athlon
> 64 AMD with 4gb of ram and almost no latency or stutters.
>
> and before i forget i also used the frame rate enhancer FS9CFG, not the
> default FS9CFG.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The screen positions are lost, even though I saved the flight. I didnt know
> there was frame rate enhancer FS9CFG. I do use the no CD CFG from
> flightsim.com
>
>       Justin Messenger
>
> Simulator Fly-Off Coordinator
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> Grasshopper Festival
>
> Augusta Sunrise Parade
>
> Kansas Museum of Military History
>
> Cell (501) 620-6004
>
> www.KMMH.org <http://www.kmmh.org/>
>
> http://www.downtownaugustainc.com/
>
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> simpits-tech-request at simpits.org>* wrote:
>
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From echotech1452 at gmail.com  Mon May 18 08:34:52 2009
From: echotech1452 at gmail.com (delor lauchang)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:34:52 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 69, Issue 13
In-Reply-To: <124797.57233.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <124797.57233.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ededccec0905180834j3755678dh8967eec021826ad9@mail.gmail.com>

sorry, great frame reliever is not in simviation, its in simnetwork, works
both in FS9 and FSX, it helps a lot on multi display scenery.
heres the link
http://www.simnetwork.com/SIMNETWORK/downloads.php?cat_idB&rowstart`
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Justin Messenger <jjmessenger at yahoo.com>wrote:

>   hi,
> have the set-up then save, before you start flying, and use that as your
> default start.
>
> for fs2004, you can use view option to assign your views, my forward left
> panel as view1, forward panel as view2, forward right panel view3, my lower
> panel for instruments as view0. you can either use cockpit or virtual view.
>
> for fsx, you do it a you as you are doing it now.
>
> thats how i configure my set up, iam using 32" for my panel, and three 22"
> for my views, two auxillary 7" on my left and right instruments as my nav
> and gps, all LCD's.
>  i have three 512 pci-x16 double dvi ATI radeon video card with dual athlon
> 64 AMD with 4gb of ram and almost no latency or stutters.
>
> and before i forget i also used the frame rate enhancer FS9CFG, not the
> default FS9CFG.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The screen positions are lost, even though I saved the flight. I didnt know
> there was frame rate enhancer FS9CFG. I do use the no CD CFG from
> flightsim.com
>
>       Justin Messenger
>
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From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Mon May 18 10:19:16 2009
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:19:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 69, Issue 15
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sorry, great frame reliever is not in simviation, its in simnetwork, works both in FS9 and FSX, it helps a lot on multi display scenery.
heres the link?
http://www.simnetwork.com/SIMNETWORK/downloads.php?cat_idB&rowstart`
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Is there any chance you could email the file to me direct? HeritageAviation at yahoo.com
?
Thx,
Justin

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From echotech1452 at gmail.com  Mon May 18 10:37:31 2009
From: echotech1452 at gmail.com (delor lauchang)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 13:37:31 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 69, Issue 15
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ok,

in about an hour or two, iam still at work. soon as i get home ill mail you
the entire file, ill also send you the panel that iam using for cessna 172
doublescreen which is cool.

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Justin Messenger <jjmessenger at yahoo.com>wrote:

>   sorry, great frame reliever is not in simviation, its in simnetwork,
> works both in FS9 and FSX, it helps a lot on multi display scenery.
> heres the link
> http://www.simnetwork.com/SIMNETWORK/downloads.php?cat_idB&rowstart`
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Is there any chance you could email the file to me direct?
> HeritageAviation at yahoo.com
>
>
>
> Thx,
>
> Justin
>
>
>
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From echotech1452 at gmail.com  Mon May 18 12:13:29 2009
From: echotech1452 at gmail.com (delor lauchang)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:13:29 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 69, Issue 15
In-Reply-To: <ededccec0905181037t3d107ffamd715d0adff444932@mail.gmail.com>
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jsut sent you the files at your yahoo mail.

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 1:37 PM, delor lauchang <echotech1452 at gmail.com>wrote:

> ok,
>
> in about an hour or two, iam still at work. soon as i get home ill mail you
> the entire file, ill also send you the panel that iam using for cessna 172
> doublescreen which is cool.
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Justin Messenger <jjmessenger at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>>   sorry, great frame reliever is not in simviation, its in simnetwork,
>> works both in FS9 and FSX, it helps a lot on multi display scenery.
>> heres the link
>> http://www.simnetwork.com/SIMNETWORK/downloads.php?cat_idB&rowstart`
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Is there any chance you could email the file to me direct?
>> HeritageAviation at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Thx,
>>
>> Justin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From spmacdonald at simcraft.com  Mon May 18 15:41:08 2009
From: spmacdonald at simcraft.com (Sean MacDonald (SimCraft))
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:41:08 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 69, Issue 12
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Message-ID: <00c201c9d809$bcfaad20$6601a8c0@SHAGGY>

Gene, thank you for the kind words and the correction.

One correction:  The video you linked to however is actually my Dad's
pneumatic model built from PVC (SimCraft DIY) and powered from a vacuum
cleaner.  STAR is completely updated and is electromechanical.  It is a
professional architecture that is currently in use by the US Army to train
off-road driving techniques.

Our flagship racing sim, the APEX sc830 uses the same components found in
STAR.  You can see videos of the APEX sc830 in action here:
http://www.simcraft.com

We'll be adding some videos of some additional chassis builds shortly,
including the DIY lumber chassis we built in a weekend.

Sean



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   1. Re: Cockpit shell.... (Gene Buckle)
   2. Re: Cockpit shell.... (Rick Davis)
   3. Re: Cockpit shell.... (William Segal)
   4. High performance motion sim development kit	launched...
      (Sean MacDonald (SimCraft))
   5. Re: High performance motion sim development kit launched...
      (Gene Buckle)
   6. Re: High performance motion sim development kit	launched...
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:47:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com>
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit shell....
To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Message-ID:
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On Fri, 15 May 2009, William Segal wrote:

> Hi Gene
> They won't let me retract it. I read everything about it but I missed 
> something I thought it was fiberglass. It's sheet metal I have no way 
> to cut that or even dump it.

You NEVER, EVER, EVER buy a simulator cab with the thought of "Gee, I can
just cut that down and put it back together later."  EVER.

NEVER.


EVER.


g.

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 16:14:27 -0300
From: "Rick Davis" <rd at ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit shell....
To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Message-ID: <010e01c9d591$5dd8bff0$0a02a8c0 at your384jh9sv0b>
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Bill,

If by some freak of nature you get that for two hundred dollars, I will come
down to LA. We'll tow it to a scrap metal dealer. We will take out the seats
and cut out anything else of value (cockpit panel etc) right in the parking
lot with a reciprocating saw, and sell the rest (including the trailer -
which is probably worth 1000.00) as scrap metal. You might go home with a
few jinglies in your pocket even!

But let's be realistic about this. If you can buy something like that for
200.00, I'm moving to California. I'll hook it up to the ass end of my Jeep
and put a mattress in it. Then I'll wire up some lights on it and register
it as a camper! A little swing out awning in the back. You know ... nice.

ha ha







> On Fri, 15 May 2009, William Segal wrote:
>
>> Hi Gene
>> They won't let me retract it. I read everything about it but I missed 
>> something I thought it was fiberglass. It's sheet metal I have no way 
>> to cut that or even dump it.
>
> You NEVER, EVER, EVER buy a simulator cab with the thought of "Gee, I 
> can just cut that down and put it back together later."  EVER.
>
> NEVER.
>
>
> EVER.
>
>
> g.
>
> --
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value 
> database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:30:44 -0700
From: William Segal <catalina299 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit shell....
To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Message-ID:
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It has 2 full PFC Hvy yokes +a real live throttle quadrant and maybe some
real gauges could be worth thousands if it was glass I would win it no
matter what or if it was Aluminum I would bid like hell but its sheet metal
man is above my head. It could have real gauges but I don't think it fly's
software. It was a test lab but someone that wants to convert it its a steel
at any price


billy
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Rick Davis <rd at ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Bill,
>
> If by some freak of nature you get that for two hundred dollars, I 
> will come down to LA. We'll tow it to a scrap metal dealer. We will 
> take out the seats and cut out anything else of value (cockpit panel 
> etc) right in the parking lot with a reciprocating saw, and sell the 
> rest (including the trailer - which is probably worth 1000.00) as 
> scrap metal. You might go home with a few jinglies in your pocket 
> even!
>
> But let's be realistic about this. If you can buy something like that 
> for 200.00, I'm moving to California. I'll hook it up to the ass end 
> of my Jeep and put a mattress in it. Then I'll wire up some lights on 
> it and register it as a camper! A little swing out awning in the back. You
know ... nice.
>
> ha ha
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 15 May 2009, William Segal wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Gene
> >> They won't let me retract it. I read everything about it but I 
> >> missed something I thought it was fiberglass. It's sheet metal I 
> >> have no way to cut that or even dump it.
> >
> > You NEVER, EVER, EVER buy a simulator cab with the thought of "Gee, 
> > I can just cut that down and put it back together later."  EVER.
> >
> > NEVER.
> >
> >
> > EVER.
> >
> >
> > g.
> >
> > --
> > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
> >
> > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value 
> > database for the masses, not the classes.
> > http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:05:41 -0400
From: "Sean MacDonald \(SimCraft\)" <spmacdonald at simcraft.com>
Subject: [simpits-tech] High performance motion sim development kit
	launched...
To: <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
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Hello purveyors of simpits.org.  My company launched a product this past
week that is one you may be interested in checking out.   It builds upon our
completely free motion sim option (http://www.sourceforge.net/simcraftdiy)
that my late father launched over a decade ago and enjoyed working on with
sim builders around the world.
 
The product is called SimCraft STAR and basically it incorporates all the
hard parts of motion sim in a box and leaves the design and customization of
the cockpit to you.
 
You can read about STAR here:
http://www.simcraft.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=39
 
and here:
 
http://www.simcraft.com/star.html
 
 
Thank you for your time and consideration, Sean
 
 
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:25:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com>
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] High performance motion sim development
	kit launched...
To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
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On Sun, 17 May 2009, Sean MacDonald (SimCraft) wrote:

> Hello purveyors of simpits.org.  My company launched a product this past
> week that is one you may be interested in checking out.   It builds upon
our
> completely free motion sim option 
> (http://www.sourceforge.net/simcraftdiy)
> that my late father launched over a decade ago and enjoyed working on 
> with sim builders around the world.
>
That's pretty damn cool.  Check out the video:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2539605/simcraft_the_first_prototype/

btw, the correct Sourceforge link is
http://sourceforge.net/projects/simcraftdiy/

g.


--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database
for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!


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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 10:47:57 -0700
From: William Segal <catalina299 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] High performance motion sim development
	kit	launched...
To: "Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Message-ID:
	<3a0a6c680905171047h7d967a16l5cbb806c1331ad05 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Bill wrote



What this is ,is a adaptation of Acesim.com basic 2 degree of motion
simulator .I have not read it but by looking at it,it appears to be the
original idea that I bought the plans for and built out of PVC highly
updated NOT a authentic professional 3 degree of motion platform. While real
ones might not be in form you can buy a professional 3 degree of motion
simulator ready to install you cockpit on it for $30,000 .For a long time
before the recession I was a serious buyer so I looked at many  companies
that built small commercial simulators..

Several builders including innovation simulator had the idea to build an
individual personal small foot print platform capable of holding 400 pounds
Maximum including the sim&the pilots weight  for $5,000 .I have a feeling
that once the economy turns around if it ever does we will again see an
individual simulator hit the streets for $10,000 maybe less. I saw a picture
and a movie of an individual cockpit basically it was a Cessna 172 a section
about 5 feet long duplicated in Fiberglass.
What I saw and what I was willing to buy was a chair sim full 3 degree of
motion not 6 degree for $4995 with no cockpit. Frankly at that time it would
not work for me as I weighed 280 pounds. Now at 189 pounds I would have
bought it in a new york minute.If you can wait a couple of years I am sure
they will come to market w/Asian parts under $5000 There is a movie floating
around on "you tube" probably because it 6-7 years ago from I think Cal Poly
Pomona California that showed it as a tub (like in bathtub)and student were
trying it out.that one had major movement much more than this one because
this is limited by the frame where that one was built by a company that
builds simulators up to 1/2 million dollars . As you read you'll guess I
don't have much of opinion of it. Try and get in it I did almost broke my
shoulder had a bruised shoulder for a
long time. Those longitudinal bars restrict the actual limitation of   the
aileron movement unlike a real one where there is no limitation in theory.If
you can find that movie it blow you away its almost like being on one of
them giant rollycoasters  . The one in the Move could handle an F-16,15,14
an aerobatic aircraft .

regards

Bill


On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Sean MacDonald (SimCraft) <
spmacdonald at simcraft.com> wrote:

>  Hello purveyors of simpits.org.  My company launched a product this past
> week that is one you may be interested in checking out.   It builds upon
our
> completely free motion sim option 
> (http://www.sourceforge.net/simcraftdiy)
> that my late father launched over a decade ago and enjoyed working on 
> with sim builders around the world.
>
> The product is called SimCraft STAR and basically it incorporates all 
> the hard parts of motion sim in a box and leaves the design and 
> customization of the cockpit to you.
>
> You can read about STAR here:
> http://www.simcraft.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid9
>
> and here:
>
> http://www.simcraft.com/star.html
>
>
> Thank you for your time and consideration, Sean
>
>
>
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue May 19 10:00:18 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:00:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15 site update...
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905190959170.4166@grumble.deltasoft.com>

I've finally gotten it transitioned over to Wordpress.  It's going to make 
life a hell of a lot easier. :)

Link is in my sig below.  Let me know if you spot anything broken. :)

tnx all!

g.


-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu May 21 14:17:52 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:17:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Combat sim...
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0905211417070.1389@grumble.deltasoft.com>


I found this link posted on the Simpits forum:

http://aeron.sourceforge.net/index.php

Remember guys, if you don't sign up for the mailing list (simpits-tech), 
posts made to the forum won't make it to the mailing list.

g.


-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!