From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  2 08:58:12 2009
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:58:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] landing gear indicator delay curcuit
Message-ID: <378633.21848.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I have a sim that uses 20v DC for the landing gear indicators,? one that is going to use 28v DC,? and one sim?that uses 5c DC.?? 
?
I think it would be very simple to create a resistor and capacitor timing circuit to make the gear lights/indicators to delay before they come on and to slightly stagger them?in timing. 
?
I have no idea what capacitor to try for each voltage that I am dealing with. Any suggestions?
?
On the software side in FS9 I use FSUIPC to give separate commands for gear up and down so that the gear handle never gets out of sequence. Then I run a seperate circuit through the switch to toggle the simulator's landing gear indicator on or off.? 
?
Having a delay for the gear indicators so that they turn on when the gears sound finishes would be a nice touch.
?
Thanks,
Justin

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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Wed Mar  4 02:08:15 2009
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:08:15 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] landing gear indicator delay curcuit
In-Reply-To: <378633.21848.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <378633.21848.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0KFZ00E5T85XGE20@smtp3.clear.net.nz>

At 05:58 a.m. 3/03/2009, you wrote:
>I have a sim that uses 20v DC for the landing gear indicators,  one 
>that is going to use 28v DC,  and one sim that uses 5c DC.
>
>I think it would be very simple to create a resistor and capacitor 
>timing circuit to make the gear lights/indicators to delay before 
>they come on and to slightly stagger them in timing.
>
>I have no idea what capacitor to try for each voltage that I am 
>dealing with. Any suggestions?
>
>On the software side in FS9 I use FSUIPC to give separate commands 
>for gear up and down so that the gear handle never gets out of 
>sequence. Then I run a seperate circuit through the switch to toggle 
>the simulator's landing gear indicator on or off.
>
>Having a delay for the gear indicators so that they turn on when the 
>gears sound finishes would be a nice touch.

Gidday Justin,

Have you thought about modifying the gear timings in the aircraft.cfg 
file?  There are separate entries for each gear, and that is what 
your indicators will display (from FSUIPC).  I did the same thing for 
a 737 sim, just so the left and right gear lights didn't come on at 
exactly the same time.  There are two settings, one for retract and 
another extend, so you can tailor the effect quite nicely :)

SeanG


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed Mar  4 07:17:58 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:17:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] update...
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903040716170.28302@grumble.deltasoft.com>


For those interested, the latest manual update is available at 
http://www.geneb.org/pitkit/series_one01Mar09.pdf

I shot a very short walk-around video on Saturday of the completed 
non-windscreen version of the cockpit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmYzUJ0dFu4

g.


-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Thu Mar  5 01:22:54 2009
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:22:54 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] update...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903040716170.28302@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903040716170.28302@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <0KG100ARA0QD7C10@smtp5.clear.net.nz>

That's looking very sharp there Mr B!

One suggestion though... judging by the obvious space constraints... 
maybe you need to build a bigger shop.........<runs for the hills 
with best trout proof suit on!>

SeanG

At 04:17 a.m. 5/03/2009, you wrote:

>For those interested, the latest manual update is available at
>http://www.geneb.org/pitkit/series_one01Mar09.pdf
>
>I shot a very short walk-around video on Saturday of the completed
>non-windscreen version of the cockpit:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmYzUJ0dFu4
>
>g.
>
>
>--
>Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
>http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar  5 06:14:05 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:14:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] update...
In-Reply-To: <0KG100ARA0QD7C10@smtp5.clear.net.nz>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903040716170.28302@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<0KG100ARA0QD7C10@smtp5.clear.net.nz>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903050612480.7546@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Sean Galbraith wrote:

> That's looking very sharp there Mr B!
>
> One suggestion though... judging by the obvious space constraints...
> maybe you need to build a bigger shop.........<runs for the hills
> with best trout proof suit on!>
>

Hehee.  Thanks Sean. The video was taken in the back corner of the shop, 
trust me, I've got a lot more room to work with. :)  It'll get better when 
Rob & I get the wood shop done this summer. :)

g.
  -- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  5 08:02:45 2009
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:02:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech]  landing gear indicator delay curcuit
Message-ID: <912426.44291.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hello Sean,
?
Im not?toggling the indicators on data directly from FSUIPC. The indicators are toggled by a separate?switch when the gear handle is moved. Move the gear handle, and the indicators instantly indicate GEAR HANDLE position, rather than actual gear position.? 
?
Are you using a card to toggle your indicators based on data from FSUIPC?
?
Justin


      
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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Fri Mar  6 01:24:47 2009
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:24:47 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] landing gear indicator delay curcuit
In-Reply-To: <912426.44291.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <912426.44291.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0KG2008VFVHJCY20@smtp4.clear.net.nz>

At 05:02 a.m. 6/03/2009, you wrote:
>Hello Sean,
>
>Im not toggling the indicators on data directly from FSUIPC. The 
>indicators are toggled by a separate switch when the gear handle is 
>moved. Move the gear handle, and the indicators instantly indicate 
>GEAR HANDLE position, rather than actual gear position.
>
>Are you using a card to toggle your indicators based on data from FSUIPC?

Yep.  Simkits Multicontroller.  Possibly *the* most under-rated 
device in all of the simdom...

It can drive LED outputs (or using some magic electronics, switch 
relays and the like) from a good number of FSUIPC offsets, as well as 
loads of servo gauges.. I am using one in my Skyhawk, mostly for 
gauges, but also stuff like the gear lights.

SeanG


From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  7 12:24:24 2009
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 12:24:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] landing gear indicator delay curcuit
Message-ID: <579745.61820.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

ok, I have?a Multicontroller?in my F-4 sim. The F-4 is the sim where I am slowly making the steam gauges functional. 
?
I am using the Multicontroller LEDs for?marker beacon lights, one for gear transisiton,?and one LED for stall. But LEDs are not bright enough for my needs.
?
?I wanted to do as you described and I tried using the multicontroller gear signal to trigger?some relays?to control the 20v DC that I have running to the sim's real gear indicators. But I had no luck, could not get the Multicontroller?it to trigger they relays. Would you mind sharing what relays and equipment you are using? 
?
I agree the Multicontroller is a really neat little tool, though I think SimKits are now?more interested in developing their stand alone USB guages.
?
Justin

>Yep.? Simkits Multicontroller.? Possibly *the* most under-rated 
>device in all of the simdom...
>
>It can drive LED outputs (or using some magic electronics, switch 
>relays and the like) from a good number of FSUIPC offsets, as well as 
>loads of servo gauges.. I am using one in my Skyhawk, mostly for 
>gauges, but also stuff like the gear lights.
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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Sat Mar  7 13:37:00 2009
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:37:00 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] landing gear indicator delay curcuit
In-Reply-To: <579745.61820.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <579745.61820.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0KG5004DCO1PUI00@smtp5.clear.net.nz>


>  I wanted to do as you described and I tried using the 
> multicontroller gear signal to trigger some relays to control the 
> 20v DC that I have running to the sim's real gear indicators. But I 
> had no luck, could not get the Multicontroller it to trigger they 
> relays. Would you mind sharing what relays and equipment you are using?

I'll have a chat with my electronics guru and get a schematic for you 
:) There is a small, and short on detail section in the manual on 
what to connect.  I *think* it is better in the later manual 
versions, but I wouldn't like to swear to it!

>I agree the Multicontroller is a really neat little tool, though I 
>think SimKits are now more interested in developing their stand 
>alone USB guages.

Yeah, they seem to be heading down that path, the CCU which drives 
the traditional 172 panel is on its way out, not sure when that 
happens though.  I really hope the multi-controller doesn't go the 
same way... in fact, I would really like to see them build on it, and 
make it X-Plane/FGFS compatible as well (and maybe even an SDK so it 
could be made to talk to other sims!)

SeanG


From phoenixcomm at gmail.com  Sat Mar  7 15:40:38 2009
From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 17:40:38 -0600
Subject: [simpits-tech] landing gear indicator delay curcuit
In-Reply-To: <579745.61820.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <579745.61820.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cc93494c0903071540g59a253beo1b7ed16ce9973452@mail.gmail.com>

ok you guys Im in pain reading this.. if your controller  has limited output
then give it a boost... and you are just wasting your time trying to drive
24vdc lights from a 5v (TTL) drive through a relay.
please find TIL-111 or opto-couplers, they are isolated so you dont blow up
your controler
basicly you put in the input your LED out put to one pin, the other is
ground. the other side looks like an open collector curcuit.
for more notes    http://simpits.wetpaint.com/page/Driving+Cockpit+Lamps
have fun
Cris Harrison
Phoenixcomm
www.phoenixcomm.net/~phnx2000/sim
BTW there cheeeep



On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Justin Messenger <jjmessenger at yahoo.com>wrote:

> ok, I have a Multicontroller in my F-4 sim. The F-4 is the sim where I am
> slowly making the steam gauges functional.
>
> I am using the Multicontroller LEDs for marker beacon lights, one for gear
> transisiton, and one LED for stall. But LEDs are not bright enough for my
> needs.
>
>  I wanted to do as you described and I tried using the multicontroller gear
> signal to trigger some relays to control the 20v DC that I have running to
> the sim's real gear indicators. But I had no luck, could not get the
> Multicontroller it to trigger they relays. Would you mind sharing what
> relays and equipment you are using?
>
> I agree the Multicontroller is a really neat little tool, though I think
> SimKits are now more interested in developing their stand alone USB guages.
>
> Justin
>
> >Yep.  Simkits Multicontroller.  Possibly *the* most under-rated
> >device in all of the simdom...
> >
> >It can drive LED outputs (or using some magic electronics, switch
> >relays and the like) from a good number of FSUIPC offsets, as well as
> >loads of servo gauges.. I am using one in my Skyhawk, mostly for
> >gauges, but also stuff like the gear lights.
> * <http://www.phantomsim.org/>*
>  <http://www.phantomsim.org/>
> ** <http://www.dc8cockpit.catisp.com/dc_8_promom.wmv>
>
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue Mar 10 07:32:25 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:32:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Manual update...
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903100727090.18531@grumble.deltasoft.com>

Ok this past weekend saw the completion of the windscreen for the diy 
cockpit project.  I've gotten all the work done on Saturday written up in 
the manual and the updated copy is here:

http://www.geneb.org/pitkit/series_one08Mar09.pdf

Once the windscreen chapter is finished (I need to cover the instrument 
panel support installation), there are only two chapters left to go!

The last two will cover the canopy build and the last will cover final 
installation of the windscreen & canopy.

The plan set I ordered from the printer arrived on Saturday and it turned 
out perfectly!  5 36"x84" sheets of paper is surprisingly heavy. :)

tnx.

g.


-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Wed Mar 11 04:02:35 2009
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:02:35 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] NKAWTG.... Nobody.
Message-ID: <5b6bd486dc5d4184a33fbcb85a453f9b.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Not even this guy....

http://www.sikkema.us/F15/PICT0020.JPG

Sorry, Gene... ;)

Whole slew of pics here:
http://www.sikkema.us/F15/

I love my job. :)

Brian


From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Wed Mar 11 07:45:19 2009
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:45:19 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] NKAWTG.... Nobody.
In-Reply-To: <5b6bd486dc5d4184a33fbcb85a453f9b.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903111445080.21062-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Brian Sikkema wrote:

> Not even this guy....
>
> http://www.sikkema.us/F15/PICT0020.JPG
>
> Sorry, Gene... ;)
>
> Whole slew of pics here:
> http://www.sikkema.us/F15/
>
> I love my job. :)


Nice pics Brian!


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Wed Mar 11 07:45:33 2009
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:45:33 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] NKAWTG.... Nobody.
In-Reply-To: <5b6bd486dc5d4184a33fbcb85a453f9b.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903111445230.21062-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Brian Sikkema wrote:



oh...  NKAWTG ??



> Not even this guy....
>
> http://www.sikkema.us/F15/PICT0020.JPG
>
> Sorry, Gene... ;)
>
> Whole slew of pics here:
> http://www.sikkema.us/F15/
>
> I love my job. :)
>
> Brian
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



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Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed Mar 11 07:10:58 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:10:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] NKAWTG.... Nobody.
In-Reply-To: <5b6bd486dc5d4184a33fbcb85a453f9b.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <5b6bd486dc5d4184a33fbcb85a453f9b.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903110710270.29413@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Brian Sikkema wrote:

> Not even this guy....
>
> http://www.sikkema.us/F15/PICT0020.JPG
>
> Sorry, Gene... ;)
>
> Whole slew of pics here:
> http://www.sikkema.us/F15/
>
Very cool Brian.  Thanks for the pics.

We know you've got the gas covered, but where's the Slurpee dispenser? :)

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 11 12:38:25 2009
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:38:25 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] NKAWTG.... Nobody.
In-Reply-To: <5b6bd486dc5d4184a33fbcb85a453f9b.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <5b6bd486dc5d4184a33fbcb85a453f9b.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <8A3AC86F8D3C4EB9A4A41781047D7793@flightsystems>

Is that fuel on the outside of the window or condensation on the inside?

You need to get someone out there with a squeegee, I can't see very well in
those pictures.

Jay

Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will
show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones.
--Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter
-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Brian Sikkema
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:03 AM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] NKAWTG.... Nobody.

Not even this guy....

http://www.sikkema.us/F15/PICT0020.JPG

Sorry, Gene... ;)

Whole slew of pics here:
http://www.sikkema.us/F15/

I love my job. :)

Brian

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From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 11 13:14:49 2009
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:14:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Fw: FA18 Joyride, a must see video!
Message-ID: <519597.17659.qm@web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/ajc/swf/blueangels/blueangels.swf



      
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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Wed Mar 11 15:57:52 2009
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:57:52 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] NKAWTG.... Nobody.
Message-ID: <fedaefe1a7144bc1ad59c97dd5d7ce0e.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

>oh...  NKAWTG ??

That would be
Nobody
Kicks
Ass
Without
Tanker
Gas

;)


From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Wed Mar 11 16:00:31 2009
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:00:31 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] NKAWTG.... Nobody.
Message-ID: <c1d899f8825c4a1faa214a856a847589.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

 >Is that fuel on the outside of the window or
condensation on the inside?

Neither. It had been very rainy around here lately,
it was just water.

>You need to get someone out there with a squeegee, I
can't see very well in
>those pictures.

Yeah. :( I also need to get back there with a better
camera and video camera. This was just my cheapy
digital that I keep in my flight bag for just such
occasions.

I'm scheduled to refuel the -22s next week, hoping
they put a second copilot on the flight so I can get
back to the boom pod again. :D

Brian


From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Wed Mar 11 19:08:59 2009
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:08:59 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] NKAWTG.... Nobody.
In-Reply-To: <fedaefe1a7144bc1ad59c97dd5d7ce0e.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903120208430.21831-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Brian Sikkema wrote:

> >oh...  NKAWTG ??
>
> That would be
> Nobody
> Kicks
> Ass
> Without
> Tanker
> Gas


LOL!!  How very true!

Thanks Brian.


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed Mar 11 19:44:15 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:44:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] NKAWTG.... Nobody.
In-Reply-To: <fedaefe1a7144bc1ad59c97dd5d7ce0e.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <fedaefe1a7144bc1ad59c97dd5d7ce0e.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903111943500.2902@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Brian Sikkema wrote:

>> oh...  NKAWTG ??
>
> That would be
> Nobody
> Kicks
> Ass
> Without
> Tanker
> Gas
>
> ;)
>
Gotta love those stick actuators and their acronyms.... :)

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From bjones at pipecomp.com.au  Thu Mar 12 02:11:07 2009
From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:11:07 +0900
Subject: [simpits-tech] NKAWTG.... Nobody.
References: <5b6bd486dc5d4184a33fbcb85a453f9b.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
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Those old aircraft look so retro nowday's don't they......8-)

He saying this who owns a is 34 years old aircraft

Ben
West Oz




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Subject: [simpits-tech] NKAWTG.... Nobody.
 
Not even this guy....

http://www.sikkema.us/F15/PICT0020.JPG

Sorry, Gene... ;)

Whole slew of pics here:
http://www.sikkema.us/F15/

I love my job. :)

Brian

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From jeroen_huijben at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 12 08:12:41 2009
From: jeroen_huijben at hotmail.com (Jeroen Huijben)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:12:41 +0100
Subject: [simpits-tech] Electronics question
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I am wondering if this will work.

 

I have a voltage divider of two resistors, set to put 2.5V at the output X when 5V is set over it.

I want to use a logic chip (74HC74 dual Dtype flipflop) to pull the output to 0V or 5V, depending on how a rotary encoder turns.

I have found how to turn the signal of the rotry into a high on either of two outputs of the flipflop.

Now I want to use two transistors to short out either of the resistors so that the output X is connected to either side of the divider.

 

http://i40.tinypic.com/jajuag.gif

A and B will go straight to the chip with only a diode in between.

 

Will this work?

Can I use any regular transistor?


Regards,

Jeroen.

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From frank at rezultat.dk  Thu Mar 12 10:59:05 2009
From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:59:05 +0100
Subject: [simpits-tech] R22 Cabin
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903100727090.18531@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903100727090.18531@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <08F8B925523145599BE09F36F3198CB6@frankzepto>

Hi All
I need another 22 cabin, an outdated version will do fine - 

Anyone know where to find one ?

Regards
Frank

Oh, BTW - I'm in finalising the MLU update for my F-16 simulator and also
It will be equipped with a low cost HUD - more details later this year...
And finally we switch to 3 channel OTW.




From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar 12 11:14:35 2009
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:14:35 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Electronics question
In-Reply-To: <COL115-W615558D9DA39DDBC9AA487FE9F0@phx.gbl>
References: <5b6bd486dc5d4184a33fbcb85a453f9b.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil><076A0894BF415549916A7ABE580A1A1DFD04@jupiter.universe.pipecomp.com.au>
	<COL115-W615558D9DA39DDBC9AA487FE9F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3B27B4EAC3BB40EDB29568E832170600@flightsystems>

So the A and B are used to open the base of the transistor to pull "X" to 5v
or ground, correct?  Will your circuit work with "X" at 2.5 volts.i.e.
neither high nor low?  How is "X" being measured/monitored?

 

Also, make sure both transistors don't open at the same time.


Jay

 

Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will
show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones.

--Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter

  _____  

From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Jeroen Huijben
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:13 AM
To: Simpits List
Subject: [simpits-tech] Electronics question

 

I am wondering if this will work.
 
I have a voltage divider of two resistors, set to put 2.5V at the output X
when 5V is set over it.
I want to use a logic chip (74HC74 dual Dtype flipflop) to pull the output
to 0V or 5V, depending on how a rotary encoder turns.
I have found how to turn the signal of the rotry into a high on either of
two outputs of the flipflop.
Now I want to use two transistors to short out either of the resistors so
that the output X is connected to either side of the divider.
 
http://i40.tinypic.com/jajuag.gif
A and B will go straight to the chip with only a diode in between.
 
Will this work?
Can I use any regular transistor?

Regards,
Jeroen.

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From turbotas at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 12 15:30:14 2009
From: turbotas at yahoo.com (TurboTas)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:30:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit on Sale, anyone interested!
Message-ID: <747881.10795.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com>



Hi all,

After 5 years, it has to go!  Modelled loosley on Roy Coates detailed build:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=270357557299&Category=11051

Help me clear the spare room!

Toby.
 



      

From phoenixcomm at gmail.com  Thu Mar 12 17:26:14 2009
From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:26:14 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Electronics question
In-Reply-To: <COL115-W615558D9DA39DDBC9AA487FE9F0@phx.gbl>
References: <5b6bd486dc5d4184a33fbcb85a453f9b.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
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	<COL115-W615558D9DA39DDBC9AA487FE9F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <cc93494c0903121726n5ae23b6mc8f09169aead76e0@mail.gmail.com>

jeroen,
This is the Hardway
seems like you overherd of Open Collector, outputs
1. put 5vdc on the collector through a small resistor like 330ohms,
put your lamp/what ever between the resistor and the open collector now you
can pull this down with a gate if you want to, tada
Cris Harrison



On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Jeroen Huijben <jeroen_huijben at hotmail.com
> wrote:

>  I am wondering if this will work.
>
> I have a voltage divider of two resistors, set to put 2.5V at the output X
> when 5V is set over it.
> I want to use a logic chip (74HC74 dual Dtype flipflop) to pull the output
> to 0V or 5V, depending on how a rotary encoder turns.
> I have found how to turn the signal of the rotry into a high on either of
> two outputs of the flipflop.
> Now I want to use two transistors to short out either of the resistors so
> that the output X is connected to either side of the divider.
>
> http://i40.tinypic.com/jajuag.gif
> A and B will go straight to the chip with only a diode in between.
>
> Will this work?
> Can I use any regular transistor?
>
> Regards,
> Jeroen.
>
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From catalina299 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 12 17:53:54 2009
From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:53:54 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit on Sale, anyone interested!
In-Reply-To: <747881.10795.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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Toby aye!
Send me a list of everything involved and your requirements

I will either pay it  or I will pass it

Regards

Bill

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 3:30 PM, TurboTas <turbotas at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hi all,
>
> After 5 years, it has to go!  Modelled loosley on Roy Coates detailed
> build:
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item'0357557299&Category051
>
> Help me clear the spare room!
>
> Toby.
>
>
>
>
>
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From jeroen_huijben at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 13 01:16:42 2009
From: jeroen_huijben at hotmail.com (Jeroen Huijben)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:16:42 +0100
Subject: [simpits-tech] Electronics question
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	<COL115-W615558D9DA39DDBC9AA487FE9F0@phx.gbl> 
	<3B27B4EAC3BB40EDB29568E832170600@flightsystems>
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It has to mimick a pot.

What I want is to turn the G25 shifter into three rotaries and this shifter is read by two pots.

The rotaries are processed by two flipflops each which should pull only one output high.

http://www.interq.or.jp/japan/se-inoue/e_ckt10_3.htm

That signal is then sent to the right transistors through diodes to prevent crosstalk.

 



 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:26:14 -0500
From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Electronics question

jeroen,
This is the Hardway
seems like you overherd of Open Collector, outputs
1. put 5vdc on the collector through a small resistor like 330ohms,
put your lamp/what ever between the resistor and the open collector now you can pull this down with a gate if you want to, tada
Cris Harrison


From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:14:35 -0500
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Electronics question









So the A and B are used to open the base of the transistor to pull ?X? to 5v or ground, correct?  Will your circuit work with ?X? at 2.5 volts?i.e. neither high nor low?  How is ?X? being measured/monitored?
 
Also, make sure both transistors don?t open at the same time.

Jay
 

Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones.
--Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter




From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Jeroen Huijben
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:13 AM
To: Simpits List
Subject: [simpits-tech] Electronics question
 
I am wondering if this will work.
 
I have a voltage divider of two resistors, set to put 2.5V at the output X when 5V is set over it.
I want to use a logic chip (74HC74 dual Dtype flipflop) to pull the output to 0V or 5V, depending on how a rotary encoder turns.
I have found how to turn the signal of the rotry into a high on either of two outputs of the flipflop.
Now I want to use two transistors to short out either of the resistors so that the output X is connected to either side of the divider.
 
http://i40.tinypic.com/jajuag.gif
A and B will go straight to the chip with only a diode in between.
 
Will this work?
Can I use any regular transistor?

Regards,
Jeroen.



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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Fri Mar 13 05:07:28 2009
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:07:28 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit on Sale, anyone interested!
In-Reply-To: <747881.10795.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903131207130.279-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Thu, 12 Mar 2009, TurboTas wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> After 5 years, it has to go!  Modelled loosley on Roy Coates detailed build:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=270357557299&Category=11051
>
> Help me clear the spare room!



Hey, where's my royalties !!    ;-)


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
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From phoenixcomm at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 07:09:28 2009
From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:09:28 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Electronics question
In-Reply-To: <COL115-W323264028CBF9946F2A364FE9C0@phx.gbl>
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	<COL115-W615558D9DA39DDBC9AA487FE9F0@phx.gbl>
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ignorance is bliss,
first your rotary is not a pot. pots are resistors. the encoder generates
pulses.
If you have your hart in doing this and you want outputs that go from 0 -
5vdc, the
use 2 open collector gates, no diodes, no R-divider, no nothing.
you need a switch (two, one for each, forward, backwards, so when you close
this
you turn on a TTL gate with open collector outputs on (5v) this device
requires a 5vdc source for the output through a small value of R say 1k your
output is at the junction
of the resistor, and the gates output.  DONE
CH

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:16 AM, Jeroen Huijben
<jeroen_huijben at hotmail.com>wrote:

>  It has to mimick a pot.
> What I want is to turn the G25 shifter into three rotaries and this shifter
> is read by two pots.
> The rotaries are processed by two flipflops each which should pull only one
> output high.
> http://www.interq.or.jp/japan/se-inoue/e_ckt10_3.htm
> That signal is then sent to the right transistors through diodes to prevent
> crosstalk.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:26:14 -0500
> From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com
> To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Electronics question
>
> jeroen,
> This is the Hardway
> seems like you overherd of Open Collector, outputs
> 1. put 5vdc on the collector through a small resistor like 330ohms,
> put your lamp/what ever between the resistor and the open collector now you
> can pull this down with a gate if you want to, tada
> Cris Harrison
> ------------------------------
> From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net
> To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:14:35 -0500
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Electronics question
>
>
>  So the A and B are used to open the base of the transistor to pull ?X? to
> 5v or ground, correct?  Will your circuit work with ?X? at 2.5 volts?i.e.
> neither high nor low?  How is ?X? being measured/monitored?
>
>
>
> Also, make sure both transistors don?t open at the same time.
>
>
> Jay
>
>
>
> *Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will
> show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones.*
>
> *--Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter*
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:
> simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeroen Huijben
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:13 AM
> *To:* Simpits List
> *Subject:* [simpits-tech] Electronics question
>
>
>
> I am wondering if this will work.
>
> I have a voltage divider of two resistors, set to put 2.5V at the output X
> when 5V is set over it.
> I want to use a logic chip (74HC74 dual Dtype flipflop) to pull the output
> to 0V or 5V, depending on how a rotary encoder turns.
> I have found how to turn the signal of the rotry into a high on either of
> two outputs of the flipflop.
> Now I want to use two transistors to short out either of the resistors so
> that the output X is connected to either side of the divider.
>
> http://i40.tinypic.com/jajuag.gif
> A and B will go straight to the chip with only a diode in between.
>
> Will this work?
> Can I use any regular transistor?
>
> Regards,
> Jeroen.
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Mar 13 22:40:08 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:40:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Ok, this guy won.. :)
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903132239400.25115@grumble.deltasoft.com>


http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/03/13/1236447451617.html?page=fullpage

g.


-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Sat Mar 14 00:48:53 2009
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:48:53 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Ok, this guy won.. :)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903132239400.25115@grumble.deltasoft.com>
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Message-ID: <69CB9DAE46EC431F850CB76CFC904233@flightsystems>

Yeah, but he still can't blow shit up :-).

Jay

Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will
show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones.
--Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter
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[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:40 AM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] Ok, this guy won.. :)


http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/03/13/1236447451617.html?page=fullpage

g.


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sat Mar 14 07:52:06 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 07:52:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Ok, this guy won.. :)
In-Reply-To: <69CB9DAE46EC431F850CB76CFC904233@flightsystems>
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	<69CB9DAE46EC431F850CB76CFC904233@flightsystems>
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On Sat, 14 Mar 2009, Joseph Fagner wrote:

> Yeah, but he still can't blow shit up :-).
>

Hehehehe.  Good point Jay.  Then again, his landings might be REALLY 
exciting. :)

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From dave_friend at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Mar 14 09:58:50 2009
From: dave_friend at tiscali.co.uk (Dave)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:58:50 +0000
Subject: [simpits-tech] Ok, this guy won.. :)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903132239400.25115@grumble.deltasoft.com>
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Message-ID: <49BBE24A.70107@tiscali.co.uk>

"It's all done in real-world conditions - Qantas sponsors us and they 
provide airline food for a week."

airline food for a week!! Jeez. That's taking reality a little too far!!


Dave

Gene Buckle wrote:
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>
> g.
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From sander at vpilot.net  Sat Mar 14 11:32:10 2009
From: sander at vpilot.net (Sander van der Moolen)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:32:10 +0100
Subject: [simpits-tech] Ok, this guy won.. :)
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Actually, airline food isn't bad. It just tastes funny at 35000 ft.

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Verzonden: zaterdag 14 maart 2009 17:59
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Onderwerp: Re: [simpits-tech] Ok, this guy won.. :)

"It's all done in real-world conditions - Qantas sponsors us and they 
provide airline food for a week."

airline food for a week!! Jeez. That's taking reality a little too far!!


Dave

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue Mar 17 13:25:27 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:25:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] wip pic...
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903171325010.6131@grumble.deltasoft.com>

http://www.geneb.org/pitkit/canopy_almost_done.jpg

:)

g.


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From catalina299 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 17 14:48:42 2009
From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:48:42 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] wip pic...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903171325010.6131@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903171325010.6131@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <3a0a6c680903171448p3a431e6fy806093ac6e61591b@mail.gmail.com>

Bill wrote

now if it was higher and wider and knock off the bow I would've bought
it .Doing
that makes it very close to what Precision Flight sells for a pretty fair
mark up
then I could put a motion base on it and go to town ....

Cheerios

(^B

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:

> http://www.geneb.org/pitkit/canopy_almost_done.jpg
>
> :)
>
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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Tue Mar 17 15:18:14 2009
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:18:14 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] wip pic...
Message-ID: <52d1a0419ded43819d8db74e0a36842a.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>


 > http://www.geneb.org/pitkit/canopy_almost_done.jpg 

*points to apparent Sidewinder in the background*

Careful, Gene, Big Brother is watching! R) R)

Brian


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue Mar 17 16:09:27 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:09:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] wip pic...
In-Reply-To: <52d1a0419ded43819d8db74e0a36842a.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <52d1a0419ded43819d8db74e0a36842a.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903171608200.6648@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Brian Sikkema wrote:

>
> > http://www.geneb.org/pitkit/canopy_almost_done.jpg
>
> *points to apparent Sidewinder in the background*
>
> Careful, Gene, Big Brother is watching! R) R)
>
Oh yeah, god forbid I have a lamp that looks like a sidewinder. ;)

http://www.rogerdodger.net/diyflightsims/aim-9_lamp.html

It's almost scale. :)

g.

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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Tue Mar 17 17:11:02 2009
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:11:02 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] wip pic...
Message-ID: <840945cfa7e94bbab3ed2ea9df2d5259.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

>Oh yeah, god forbid I have a lamp that looks like a sidewinder. ;)

No, US Deptartment of Homeland Insecurity forbid.... ;) Though they may SEE themselves as the Big G sometimes...


> http://www.rogerdodger.net/diyflightsims/aim-9_lamp.html 

Wow. That is actually really cool.

BTW, didn't you used to have an F-15 sim? ;) I saw the WIP subject line and got hopeful. lol

Brian



From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Tue Mar 17 17:16:47 2009
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:16:47 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting news on the EECH front
Message-ID: <6260b355b6aa41a5a859f85907eb58c9.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Just a little blurb here from the Enemy Engaged: Commanche vs Hokum development list. Someone out there with an eye towards simpit 
development is working on a very nifty idea for using trackIR and multiple monitors to make a very immersive setup. He explains it 
better than I could:

>The idea of my project is to render an image to the monitor as if it were a
>window into the 3d game world rather than a traditional flattened view. In
>other words the monitor image would be dependent on the angle at which you
>view the screen (that's where freetrack/trackir comes in). If you view the
>screen from the right or left, then the 3d view frustum would be skewed to
>the right or left and thus enclose the proper volume in the 3d game world.
>If it works properly, it means a giant leap in cockpit building immersion.
>Let's say I build a fully enclosed and to scale cockpit with switches and
>buttons and all that jazz. Instead of having one monitor at the front of the
>cockpit or a projector screen outside, I replace each cockpit window with an
>lcd screen. This project would allow those monitors to display images
>appropriate to your head position (not orientation) on each of the lcd
>screens. Thus, leaning to the left side of the cockpit would cause the left
>side lcd to display a large fov, the right side lcd to display a small fov,
>and the front (and top I guess) lcd to display an image with a view frustum
>skewed to the right. This would completely eliminate the traditional lack of
>peripheral vision that inhibits simulation games. It may also make you sick
>to the stomach, but that's what I want to find out. Anyways, maybe none of
>that made any sense at all...but what do you think, sound cool?

It's just great to see some of the developers there are working towards the simpit world. :) I know EECH already supports data 
export, not sure how much, though.

Brian


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue Mar 17 18:12:51 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:12:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] wip pic...
In-Reply-To: <840945cfa7e94bbab3ed2ea9df2d5259.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <840945cfa7e94bbab3ed2ea9df2d5259.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903171812070.7078@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Brian Sikkema wrote:

>> Oh yeah, god forbid I have a lamp that looks like a sidewinder. ;)
>
> No, US Deptartment of Homeland Insecurity forbid.... ;) Though they may SEE themselves as the Big G sometimes...
>
They can absolutely, positively, kiss my ass. :)

>
>> http://www.rogerdodger.net/diyflightsims/aim-9_lamp.html
>
> Wow. That is actually really cool.
>
> BTW, didn't you used to have an F-15 sim? ;) I saw the WIP subject line 
> and got hopeful. lol

hrm.  yeah, it's around here somewhere.  Maybe under that huge pile of 
sawdust in the back....

g.

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From rhommel at mad.scientist.com  Tue Mar 17 18:31:30 2009
From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com (Rob Hommel)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:31:30 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] wip pic...
Message-ID: <20090318013130.C2E28326774@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>



BTW, didn't you used to have an F-15 sim? ;) I saw the WIP subject 
line and got hopeful. lol

Brian:

Gene bought me the plans for the sidewinder project last summer, I still haven't completed it as of yet. The wood shop 
is my priority project, we are running out of room again. I really don't wish to get into the reasons for the additional
shop building lets just say we need it. 

When Gene completes his adventure into cockpit construction we will again work on the F-15. Gene tells me that we are 
still in need of five panels which we will need to build. After we have the panels built we will begin a long and 
torturous path of wire harness construction. 

The sidewinder lamp when completed will be a very inaccurate model of a sidewinder. It is approximately 2/3's
scale making it an attractive lamp, Gene's wife caught me making it, she remarked about how she said, "no rockets". A bit of luck 
in explaining as to how it is only a lamp worked oddly enough. I am planning on building a second lamp making some corrections to
the plans for the second making it a bit more accurate. the 2/3rds scale will still work, rollerons are needed and a sweep to the
forward steering fins. My brother would laugh his ass off that we even think it looks like a sidewinder.
He was a F-16 weapons specialist, now retired MSgt.

keep 'em flying

Rob Hommel

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From timothyboldt at comcast.net  Thu Mar 19 05:56:15 2009
From: timothyboldt at comcast.net (Timothy James Boldt)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:56:15 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting news on the EECH front
In-Reply-To: <6260b355b6aa41a5a859f85907eb58c9.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <987113B34C0B4183A12386DC00E278B7@office>

The idea sounds cool!! 

Although, as someone who HAS a pit designed around EECH, let me say that
the data exported using CommServer allows for MFD data and warning light
status' to be exported. This lets you use a 2nd monitor for the MFDs and
lets you design UDPSpeed type overlays of the warning lights. 
Or, hopefully port the data into SIOC and trigger the lights with an
OpenCockpits boards. (Which is what I'm trying to do with it.)

What EECH doesn't export (and what would be needed for this to work) is
the ability to display multiple views at one time.....Sadly, this is not
possible.

Tim



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From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Brian Sikkema
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:17 PM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting news on the EECH front


Just a little blurb here from the Enemy Engaged: Commanche vs Hokum
development list. Someone out there with an eye towards simpit 
development is working on a very nifty idea for using trackIR and
multiple monitors to make a very immersive setup. He explains it 
better than I could:

>The idea of my project is to render an image to the monitor as if it 
>were a window into the 3d game world rather than a traditional 
>flattened view. In other words the monitor image would be dependent on 
>the angle at which you view the screen (that's where freetrack/trackir 
>comes in). If you view the screen from the right or left, then the 3d 
>view frustum would be skewed to the right or left and thus enclose the 
>proper volume in the 3d game world. If it works properly, it means a 
>giant leap in cockpit building immersion. Let's say I build a fully 
>enclosed and to scale cockpit with switches and buttons and all that 
>jazz. Instead of having one monitor at the front of the cockpit or a 
>projector screen outside, I replace each cockpit window with an lcd 
>screen. This project would allow those monitors to display images 
>appropriate to your head position (not orientation) on each of the lcd 
>screens. Thus, leaning to the left side of the cockpit would cause the 
>left side lcd to display a large fov, the right side lcd to display a 
>small fov, and the front (and top I guess) lcd to display an image with

>a view frustum skewed to the right. This would completely eliminate the

>traditional lack of peripheral vision that inhibits simulation games. 
>It may also make you sick to the stomach, but that's what I want to 
>find out. Anyways, maybe none of that made any sense at all...but what 
>do you think, sound cool?

It's just great to see some of the developers there are working towards
the simpit world. :) I know EECH already supports data 
export, not sure how much, though.

Brian

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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Thu Mar 19 09:10:27 2009
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:10:27 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting news on the EECH front
Message-ID: <8c171ea9c9ef49488dc02904c8d75941.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

>What EECH doesn't export (and what would be needed
for this to work) is
>the ability to display multiple views at one
time.....Sadly, this is not
>possible.

YET. :) Gotta love open source, it's a work in
progress. :)

Brian


From catalina299 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 11:06:50 2009
From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:06:50 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting news on the EECH front
In-Reply-To: <8c171ea9c9ef49488dc02904c8d75941.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <8c171ea9c9ef49488dc02904c8d75941.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <3a0a6c680903191106o4cd2d45dxd96716dd7b5c3b6e@mail.gmail.com>

Bill wrote
               Firstly I am no expert I am building a sim but that is about
it. What your trying to do if I understand it correctly you can not do on a
PC but you can do it on a Mac .  In X-plane I inquired about the
capability of doing this. I inquired of my old friend Sergio
 Santagada about doing it. . He said "you can run up to eight monitors at
one time on a Mac your only limitation in X-plane is video computing power".
Today it's possible to run 2ea 8800 in a Mac Pro which should be enough.
Another thing that helps is Mac is 32 bit processing that is capable of 32
gigs of ram and that helps.
            Thank You this wasn't designed to put anyone down or start
a platform war only to inform.

Best Regards

Bill



On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Brian Sikkema <bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil>wrote:

> >What EECH doesn't export (and what would be needed
> for this to work) is
> >the ability to display multiple views at one
> time.....Sadly, this is not
> >possible.
>
> YET. :) Gotta love open source, it's a work in
> progress. :)
>
> Brian
>
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar 19 11:57:26 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:57:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting news on the EECH front
In-Reply-To: <3a0a6c680903191106o4cd2d45dxd96716dd7b5c3b6e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8c171ea9c9ef49488dc02904c8d75941.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
	<3a0a6c680903191106o4cd2d45dxd96716dd7b5c3b6e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903191152120.16575@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, William Segal wrote:

> Bill wrote
>               Firstly I am no expert I am building a sim but that is about
> it. What your trying to do if I understand it correctly you can not do on a
> PC but you can do it on a Mac .  In X-plane I inquired about the
> capability of doing this. I inquired of my old friend Sergio
> Santagada about doing it. . He said "you can run up to eight monitors at
> one time on a Mac your only limitation in X-plane is video computing power".

You can stack as many video cards into a x86 (win or mac) machine as you 
have slots for and cards to fit them.

The problem is that you're going to get GPU bound, CPU bound or I/O bound 
long before you hook enough displays to one computer to do any real work.

The only way to *properly* do multi-screen video is with multiple 
computers.  A short cut way of doing that is having each machine use a 
TripleHead2Go.  That way you could use three machines and get 9 separate 
video sources.

EECH doesn't have (but I don't think it'll take long) the ability to use 
multi-computer exterior views.  Both MSFS and FlightGear _can_ do this 
currently.  With MSFS it requires a program called WideView and FlightGear 
can do it natively.

The real trick isn't showing the scenery, the hard part is making sure 
that objects and effects are correctly displayed on the client machines.

g.


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From catalina299 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 12:46:35 2009
From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:46:35 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting news on the EECH front
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903191152120.16575@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <8c171ea9c9ef49488dc02904c8d75941.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
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Bill wrote

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, William Segal wrote:
>
> >".
>
> You can stack as many video cards into a x86 (win or mac) machine as you
> have slots for and cards to fit them.
>
> The problem is that you're going to get GPU bound, CPU bound or I/O bound
> long before you hook enough displays to one computer to do any real work.
>
> The only way to *properly* do multi-screen video is with multiple
> computers.  A short cut way of doing that is having each machine use a
> TripleHead2Go.  That way you could use three machines and get 9 separate
> video sources.
>
> EECH doesn't have (but I don't think it'll take long) the ability to use
> multi-computer exterior views.  Both MSFS and FlightGear _can_ do this
> currently.  With MSFS it requires a program called WideView and FlightGear
> can do it natively.
>
> The real trick isn't showing the scenery, the hard part is making sure
> that objects and effects are correctly displayed on the client machines.
>
> g.
>

Gene

There is a System that is capable of that dual Quad Core 8000 level
Opterons
It's also capable of running 4 Geforce 295's or the new 305 which is not out
yet
and that is a preliminary number.

Cost is about $10,000 but that can handle it and today that kind of price is
not that
high when I see top end new systems on e-bay for $6,000



Regards

Bill





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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Thu Mar 19 13:15:54 2009
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:15:54 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting news on the EECH front
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I have run 3 8800's on a quad-SLI based PC 
running FS9... turns out FS9 doesn't like it 
:(  Undocking fullscreen out-the-window views 
onto different cards the whole shooting box gets 
unstable.  Looks bloody spectacular though <lol>
I *think* FSX/ESP support multiple fullscreen 
undocked views better, but this is from some very brief testing.

I've also played around with 2 TripleHead2Go's on 
a single 8800, in horizontal span mode... made 
for a really really wide view, but still not 
360?  even though the image was 7680x1024!
Interestingly enough, the framerate drop wasn't 
too bad considering the huge number of pixels it was throwing around.

If we are trying to achieve a 360? image, TH2GO 
aint the way to get there, and I agree with Gene, 
that multiple PC's rendering multiple views is 
the only workable way. FGFS does it, X-Plane does 
it (with nice projector alignment and edge 
blending) and MSFS can do it with wideview (but I 
don't like the results a whole lot, especially 
when you have clouds or AI traffic)

Now what was the original question again?

SeanG

At 08:46 a.m. 20/03/2009, you wrote:
>Bill wrote
>
>On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Gene Buckle 
><<mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com>geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, William Segal wrote:
>
> >".
>
>You can stack as many video cards into a x86 (win or mac) machine as you
>have slots for and cards to fit them.
>
>The problem is that you're going to get GPU bound, CPU bound or I/O bound
>long before you hook enough displays to one computer to do any real work.
>
>The only way to *properly* do multi-screen video is with multiple
>computers.  A short cut way of doing that is having each machine use a
>TripleHead2Go.  That way you could use three machines and get 9 separate
>video sources.
>
>EECH doesn't have (but I don't think it'll take long) the ability to use
>multi-computer exterior views.  Both MSFS and FlightGear _can_ do this
>currently.  With MSFS it requires a program called WideView and FlightGear
>can do it natively.
>
>The real trick isn't showing the scenery, the hard part is making sure
>that objects and effects are correctly displayed on the client machines.
>
>g.
>
>
>Gene
>
>There is a System that is capable of that dual Quad Core 8000 level Opterons
>It's also capable of running 4 Geforce 295's or 
>the new 305 which is not out yet
>and that is a preliminary number.
>
>Cost is about $10,000 but that can handle it and 
>today that kind of price is not that
>high when I see top end new systems on e-bay for $6,000
>
>
>
>Regards
>
>Bill
>
>
>
>
>
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar 19 13:49:30 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:49:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Question...
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903191347240.17101@grumble.deltasoft.com>

...for the resident tanker pilot...

Brian, a question has come up in FlightGear about the behavior of their AI 
driven tanker.  (yes, you can air-refuel in FlightGear).

The question was:

"does anyone know whether aircraft air-refuel during the tanker's turn?"

Any details on the how & when of stopping off at the local 707-11 would be 
greatly appriciated. :)

g.

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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Thu Mar 19 13:53:55 2009
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:53:55 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Question...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903191347240.17101@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903191347240.17101@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <0KGR00394U22HV20@smtp5.clear.net.nz>

At 09:49 a.m. 20/03/2009, you wrote:
>...for the resident tanker pilot...
>
>Brian, a question has come up in FlightGear about the behavior of their AI
>driven tanker.  (yes, you can air-refuel in FlightGear).
>
>The question was:
>
>"does anyone know whether aircraft air-refuel during the tanker's turn?"
>
>Any details on the how & when of stopping off at the local 707-11 would be
>greatly appriciated. :)

<from the non-tanker pilot>

Yep they do, in fact for a large on-load they may tank through multiple orbits.

SeanG


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar 19 13:57:10 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:57:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Question...
In-Reply-To: <0KGR00394U22HV20@smtp5.clear.net.nz>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903191347240.17101@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<0KGR00394U22HV20@smtp5.clear.net.nz>
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On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Sean Galbraith wrote:

> At 09:49 a.m. 20/03/2009, you wrote:
>> ...for the resident tanker pilot...
>>
>> Brian, a question has come up in FlightGear about the behavior of their AI
>> driven tanker.  (yes, you can air-refuel in FlightGear).
>>
>> The question was:
>>
>> "does anyone know whether aircraft air-refuel during the tanker's turn?"
>>
>> Any details on the how & when of stopping off at the local 707-11 would be
>> greatly appriciated. :)
>
> <from the non-tanker pilot>
>
> Yep they do, in fact for a large on-load they may tank through multiple orbits.
>

K.  Brian!? :)

I'm trying to convince them they need someone to make a model of Apu and 
put him in the pilot's seat. :)

g.

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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Thu Mar 19 16:20:46 2009
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:20:46 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Question...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903191356370.17172@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903191347240.17101@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<0KGR00394U22HV20@smtp5.clear.net.nz>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0903191356370.17172@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <0KGS009KG0UTL000@smtp5.clear.net.nz>

At 09:57 a.m. 20/03/2009, you wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Sean Galbraith wrote:
>
> > At 09:49 a.m. 20/03/2009, you wrote:
> >> ...for the resident tanker pilot...
> >>
> >> Brian, a question has come up in FlightGear about the behavior of their AI
> >> driven tanker.  (yes, you can air-refuel in FlightGear).
> >>
> >> The question was:
> >>
> >> "does anyone know whether aircraft air-refuel during the tanker's turn?"
> >>
> >> Any details on the how & when of stopping off at the local 707-11 would be
> >> greatly appriciated. :)
> >
> > <from the non-tanker pilot>
> >
> > Yep they do, in fact for a large on-load they may tank through 
> multiple orbits.
> >
>
>K.  Brian!? :)
>
>I'm trying to convince them they need someone to make a model of Apu and
>put him in the pilot's seat. :)


Thank you, please come again....

SeanG



From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar 19 19:42:59 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:42:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15SE
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903191942430.18619@grumble.deltasoft.com>


I *WANT*

http://i.gizmodo.com/photogallery/f15se/1007619780?viewSize=thumb1280x1280

g.
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From rhommel at mad.scientist.com  Thu Mar 19 20:44:01 2009
From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com (Rob Hommel)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:44:01 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15SE
Message-ID: <20090320034401.8FD5A1CE953@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>

I thought it interesting that they were saying it's going to be available only for export.
http://thefutureofthings.com/pod/6685/boeings-new-stealth-f-15.html

Keep 'em Flying
Rob Hommel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Buckle" 
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15SE
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:42:59 -0700 (PDT)



I *WANT*

http://i.gizmodo.com/photogallery/f15se/1007619780?viewSize=thumb1280x1280

g.
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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Thu Mar 19 23:47:44 2009
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 02:47:44 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Question...
Message-ID: <4f8e6ce97d3c466d87cb1a668c1b64ca.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

>>
>> "does anyone know whether aircraft air-refuel
during the tanker's turn?"
>>
>> Any details on the how & when of stopping off at
the local 707-11 would be
>> greatly appriciated. :)


Absolutely they do. Nothing to it, especially with
fighters. We go up to 30* of bank all the time.

http://www.usamls.net/tmorgan/images/m3063.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/photobucket/081016-F-4127S-451.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MTE3roZy35A/SCGulA-xHtI/AAAAAAAACZM/pi6K_KvJ-vs/s400/USAF+KC-135+Refueling+F-22A.jpg

I'm really ticked right now, I was desperately trying
to find a very particular picture I know of. Whether
or not it's doctored I can't say, but it's a shot
taken from the boom pod of a KC-135 in contact with a
B-52, and over 90* of bank in.... Terrible, terrible
idea if it really happened, but back in the day, I
could see it being done.... and physically, yep it's
possible! But I just can NOT find that picture back
for the life of me!

Brian


From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Thu Mar 19 23:53:07 2009
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:53:07 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] Question...
In-Reply-To: <4f8e6ce97d3c466d87cb1a668c1b64ca.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <4f8e6ce97d3c466d87cb1a668c1b64ca.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <0KGS00JFLLSQ3T00@smtp4.clear.net.nz>

I love the shots of the early 52's on the boom at the start of Dr 
Strangelove :)

SeanG

At 07:47 p.m. 20/03/2009, you wrote:
> >>
> >> "does anyone know whether aircraft air-refuel
>during the tanker's turn?"
> >>
> >> Any details on the how & when of stopping off at
>the local 707-11 would be
> >> greatly appriciated. :)
>
>
>Absolutely they do. Nothing to it, especially with
>fighters. We go up to 30* of bank all the time.
>
>http://www.usamls.net/tmorgan/images/m3063.jpg
>
>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/photobucket/081016-F-4127S-451.jpg
>
>http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MTE3roZy35A/SCGulA-xHtI/AAAAAAAACZM/pi6K_KvJ-vs/s400/USAF+KC-135+Refueling+F-22A.jpg
>
>I'm really ticked right now, I was desperately trying
>to find a very particular picture I know of. Whether
>or not it's doctored I can't say, but it's a shot
>taken from the boom pod of a KC-135 in contact with a
>B-52, and over 90* of bank in.... Terrible, terrible
>idea if it really happened, but back in the day, I
>could see it being done.... and physically, yep it's
>possible! But I just can NOT find that picture back
>for the life of me!
>
>Brian
>
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Mar 20 06:34:38 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:34:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15SE
In-Reply-To: <20090320034401.8FD5A1CE953@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20090320034401.8FD5A1CE953@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903200633170.21710@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Rob Hommel wrote:

> I thought it interesting that they were saying it's going to be available only for export.
> http://thefutureofthings.com/pod/6685/boeings-new-stealth-f-15.html
>
Well that doesn't really surprise me.  The USAF doesn't want _anything_ to 
come between them and their beloved F-22.  A cheaper plane that could do a 
similar job offered locally could scupper their ongoing production 
schedule.

g.



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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Mar 20 06:42:37 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:42:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Question...
In-Reply-To: <4f8e6ce97d3c466d87cb1a668c1b64ca.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <4f8e6ce97d3c466d87cb1a668c1b64ca.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903200641450.21710@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Brian Sikkema wrote:

>>>
>>> "does anyone know whether aircraft air-refuel
> during the tanker's turn?"
>>>
>>> Any details on the how & when of stopping off at
> the local 707-11 would be
>>> greatly appriciated. :)
>
>
> Absolutely they do. Nothing to it, especially with
> fighters. We go up to 30* of bank all the time.
>
Thanks for the pics Brian!  How big is the racetrack typically?

> I'm really ticked right now, I was desperately trying
> to find a very particular picture I know of. Whether
> or not it's doctored I can't say, but it's a shot
> taken from the boom pod of a KC-135 in contact with a
> B-52, and over 90* of bank in.... Terrible, terrible
> idea if it really happened, but back in the day, I
> could see it being done.... and physically, yep it's
> possible! But I just can NOT find that picture back
> for the life of me!
>
Now that would be an incredible picture indeed. :)

g.

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From catalina299 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 20 08:19:46 2009
From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:19:46 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15SE
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903200633170.21710@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <20090320034401.8FD5A1CE953@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>
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Message-ID: <3a0a6c680903200819w47828dc6w21b6b506acaef178@mail.gmail.com>

Bill wrote
I've been reading a lot of stuff coming out of the President's people about
cutting the budget
regarding very expensive projects and sticking with what works. Personally I
think they might
shelve the F-22 it's way too expensive and they just didn't procure that
many at those prices.


Bill


On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 6:34 AM, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Rob Hommel wrote:
>
> > I thought it interesting that they were saying it's going to be available
> only for export.
> > http://thefutureofthings.com/pod/6685/boeings-new-stealth-f-15.html
> >
> Well that doesn't really surprise me.  The USAF doesn't want _anything_ to
> come between them and their beloved F-22.  A cheaper plane that could do a
> similar job offered locally could scupper their ongoing production
> schedule.
>
> g.
>
>
>
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Mar 20 09:19:54 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:19:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15SE
In-Reply-To: <3a0a6c680903200819w47828dc6w21b6b506acaef178@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, William Segal wrote:

> Bill wrote
> I've been reading a lot of stuff coming out of the President's people about
> cutting the budget
> regarding very expensive projects and sticking with what works. Personally I
> think they might
> shelve the F-22 it's way too expensive and they just didn't procure that
> many at those prices.
>

Had they not screwed with the original purchase order, the price each 
wouln't be so bad, but they kept hacking at the quantity and driving up 
the cost.

g.


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From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 20 10:02:25 2009
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:02:25 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15SE
Message-ID: <20090320170239.58A9CC901AE@ns2.simpits.org>

I got a buddy that works for LM on the F22 and he said the current order is 80 some units and after that they are done and detooling.  Said there would be no more after that due to the cost to restart production. All future plane will be a variation of the JSF and remotely flown airplanes.  We may very well be seeing some of the last manned stuff being designed.

Jay

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15SE

On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, William Segal wrote:

> Bill wrote
> I've been reading a lot of stuff coming out of the President's people about
> cutting the budget
> regarding very expensive projects and sticking with what works. Personally I
> think they might
> shelve the F-22 it's way too expensive and they just didn't procure that
> many at those prices.
>

Had they not screwed with the original purchase order, the price each 
wouln't be so bad, but they kept hacking at the quantity and driving up 
the cost.

g.


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Mar 20 10:06:06 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:06:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] followup questions...
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903201005060.22980@grumble.deltasoft.com>


Brian:

<cptf>	ah, good, thanks. So they fly pretty much the whole pattern,
         including outbound leg and turns.
<cptf>	err ... probably just the first turn
<cptf>	would be a waste otherwise, as I've read the leg can be 50 nm long
<cptf>	but how do they find the track when it's not a prepared
         one where ARIP is a VORTAC?


Help! :)

g.

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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Fri Mar 20 19:57:58 2009
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:57:58 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Question...
Message-ID: <fe6888d2c9d24e26aaef221c9b4b3267.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

>Thanks for the pics Brian!  How big is the racetrack
typically?

Ah, forgot to answer this one in the other email, sorry.

Anyway, it varies big time. And when you're talking
about refueling, there are actually two different
"racetracks" to be aware of.

First, on certain rendezvous we have an orbit that we
use while waiting for the receivers. And this can be
in an anchor or on a track, it really depends more on
the receiver than the refueling area (we do this
typically for heavies).

Then when we're actually refueling in an anchor, we
have sort of an orbit that we follow. This one REALLY
varies. Some anchor areas have specific tracks
defined in them that we can use, but really all we
HAVE to do is stay in the area. So we can fly around
anywhere we want in there, doing figure 8s or
whatever... It really depends on what's going on.

But we don't always have to do an orbit of any kind.
If we're doing an enroute rendezvous on an AR track,
we just meet up with the receiver at the starting
point at a specified time, and we truck down the
line. No spinning of any sort.

Brian




From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Fri Mar 20 19:53:49 2009
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:53:49 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] followup questions...
Message-ID: <d4547ff3c223446b89bb4265924b5f43.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

<cptf>	ah, good, thanks. So they fly pretty much the
whole pattern,
         including outbound leg and turns.
<cptf>	err ... probably just the first turn
<cptf>	would be a waste otherwise, as I've read the
leg can be 50 nm long
<cptf>	but how do they find the track when it's not a
prepared
         one where ARIP is a VORTAC?

lol.

Ok, so let's see how well I can explain this....

First, there's a few different main ways to refuel.
The two basic ones I'll talk about are tracks and
anchors.

Take a look at this map:

http://www.canairradio.com/refueltracks.jpg

The long lines are tracks. The boxes are the anchors.

A refueling track basically means the tanker and
receiver meet up at a specific point, and then fly a
predetermined line while they refuel. So we'd meet up
at one end of the track, and refuel all along the way.

In the anchors, we meet up in the anchor, and
basically just fly around in the box while we refuel.

That being said, we turn all the time during
refueling. Even the tracks are not always straight,
we often times have to turn while we're on them. At
Altus for training we'd always fly the track both
down AND back, and the receiver would often be hooked
up when we made the 180. 

And the anchors may LOOK big, but trust me when we're
trucking around for 45 minutes or so in there, not so
much.

And to pick on whoever posted what you wrote above,
let me point out what while 50nm may SEEM long, at AR
altitudes we're often doing over 400kts true airspeed
- meaning we cover that 50nm in less than 8 minutes.

So yeah, let's see how clearly I can put this...

When refueling, even with a receiver in contact
(hooked up), I can fly around almost exactly like I
fly around normally. With heavy receivers we do
generally limit our bank, but if the receiver pilot
is good we can still get it up to 30* of bank. For
fighters 30* is no problem - and that's all the more
we do in normal flight anyway.

Let me know if your friends need any more
clarfication! :) I'm always willing to help (up to
but not including classified, of course! lol). Before
I became a tanker pilot, I will admit I had a LOT of
knowledge gaps myself. People just don't seem to
understand what we do or how we do it. Always happy
to dispel some of that.

Brian


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Mar 20 22:33:58 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:33:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Question...
In-Reply-To: <fe6888d2c9d24e26aaef221c9b4b3267.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
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On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Brian Sikkema wrote:

>> Thanks for the pics Brian!  How big is the racetrack
> typically?
>
> Ah, forgot to answer this one in the other email, sorry.
>
Fantastic, I'll pass this on.  Thanks!

g.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Mar 20 22:45:34 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:45:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] followup questions...
In-Reply-To: <d4547ff3c223446b89bb4265924b5f43.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <d4547ff3c223446b89bb4265924b5f43.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
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On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Brian Sikkema wrote:

> Ok, so let's see how well I can explain this....
>

This is great stuff Brian, I really appriciate it!  I'll pass it on and 
see what questions remain.  If nothing else, FlightGear will end up with 
the best AI tanker in any sim, anywhere. :)

g.



  -- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Sat Mar 21 01:13:04 2009
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 04:13:04 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] followup questions...
Message-ID: <437f9832e656495db2bf4dd73bbee156.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

>This is great stuff Brian, I really appriciate it! 
I'll pass it on and 
>see what questions remain.  If nothing else,
FlightGear will end up with 
>the best AI tanker in any sim, anywhere. :)

Is someone working on this? Put me in touch! :)

BTW, wanna see something cool?

http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2006/06/kc135_caught_re.html

:)


From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Sat Mar 21 18:02:43 2009
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 01:02:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Ok, this guy won.. :)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903132239400.25115@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903220102330.28836-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Fri, 13 Mar 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:

>
> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/03/13/1236447451617.html?page=fullpage
>


Yup.  Just a bit.


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Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Sat Mar 21 18:04:12 2009
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 01:04:12 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Ok, this guy won.. :)
In-Reply-To: <49BBE24A.70107@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903220103460.28836-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Sat, 14 Mar 2009, Dave wrote:

> "It's all done in real-world conditions - Qantas sponsors us and they
> provide airline food for a week."
>
> airline food for a week!! Jeez. That's taking reality a little too far!!


I think I'd opt for virtual food - to avoid the real-world squits.


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Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Sat Mar 21 18:18:12 2009
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 01:18:12 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Question...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903191347240.17101@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903220117470.28836-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:

>
> the local 707-11
>


LOL !!   I love that  :-)


--

Roy Coates.
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Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Sat Mar 21 18:20:57 2009
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 01:20:57 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15SE
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903200633170.21710@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903220120330.28836-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Rob Hommel wrote:
>
> > I thought it interesting that they were saying it's going to be available only for export.
> > http://thefutureofthings.com/pod/6685/boeings-new-stealth-f-15.html
> >
> Well that doesn't really surprise me.  The USAF doesn't want _anything_ to
> come between them and their beloved F-22.  A cheaper plane that could do a
> similar job offered locally could scupper their ongoing production
> schedule.


My cynic alert just went off-scale...  anyone know why?


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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From catalina299 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 21 18:50:52 2009
From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:50:52 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15SE
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903220120330.28836-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903200633170.21710@grumble.deltasoft.com> 
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0903220120330.28836-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3a0a6c680903211850w6de96820nd98c40f4224be92c@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Roy Coates <roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Rob Hommel wrote:
> >
> > > I thought it interesting that they were saying it's going to be
> available only for export.
> > > http://thefutureofthings.com/pod/6685/boeings-new-stealth-f-15.html
> > >
> > Well that doesn't really surprise me.  The USAF doesn't want _anything_
> to
> > come between them and their beloved F-22.  A cheaper plane that could do
> a
> > similar job offered locally could scupper their ongoing production
> > schedule.
>
>
> My cynic alert just went off-scale...  anyone know why?
>
>
> --
>
> Roy Coates.
> Dept of Engineering.
> Liverpool University.
> E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
> Tel: 0151 794 4862
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs
> meter.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From catalina299 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 21 19:36:31 2009
From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:36:31 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15SE
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903220120330.28836-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903200633170.21710@grumble.deltasoft.com> 
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0903220120330.28836-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
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Bill wrote

Don't Quote me but the secretary of defense and President Barack O'Bama hate
the F-22
and allot of other programs like that.He is the first President since Dwight
Eisenhower who
who believe less is more.

To make a comparison at the end of the Korean War we had 254 'detroyers
FRAME II 36 knot
ships of 3000 tons each now we have a hell of a lot less Frigates and
Destroyers of average 8000
tons each that are too few to protect more than one front at a time
Wo be the Admirals who decided like little children they had to have a new
ship or they would go
in the corner and cry. Then it became the Airforce's turn and all those
generals played the same game,

If you find this interesting get a movie I am not sure the name maybe the
Pentagon game" about
the procurement of the "Bradley fighting vehicle the "Tank" we sent to
Iraqed and found out they were
a piece of ship.It was supposed to be a new armoured Personel carrier for a
squad of men it turn out
to be an aluminum coffin.We sold some to the Israeli's they completely
rebuilt it using I think it's plobam
armour and a whole bunch of new enhancement and it works now. According to
the movie it took 22 years
and 19 different model to get what they ended up with.All those little
changed the entire conception of the
idea to get their 2 cents worth its a sad funny story.

This is what we used to do let each company independantly of each other come
up with their own idea's then the
generals and the Admirals picked the one they wanted

DC-3,B-17,B-29,F-86 All the battlehips destroyers everything we build for
WWII was a design in competition
that all changed the day Eisenhower left office .Remember what he said .He
gave a speech about the fear
of "Military Industrial complex: that is what we have now . This is the
first president in half a century who is making
sounds he wants to go back to old way a lot of flag officers are going to go
into the corner and start crying and who
do they cry with the The Congress of the United states of America their
buddies/

Regards

Bill

PS
Do you know what you get in the Navy if you don't get a sea command you sail
a desk into procurement and you use your
star that you just received for being promoted to admiral to play with model
ships to build new ships like a little kid plays with models.So how did they
power their new 8,000 tonners CODAG  "Combination of Diesel and Gas Turbine
range less than than the WWII ones and slower and this new terrorist world
you know what the new Navy is missing those 6 5" guns that the
Fram II had.
.

Regard



On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Roy Coates <roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Rob Hommel wrote:
> >
> > > I thought it interesting that they were saying it's going to be
> available only for export.
> > > http://thefutureofthings.com/pod/6685/boeings-new-stealth-f-15.html
> > >
> > Well that doesn't really surprise me.  The USAF doesn't want _anything_
> to
> > come between them and their beloved F-22.  A cheaper plane that could do
> a
> > similar job offered locally could scupper their ongoing production
> > schedule.
>
>
> My cynic alert just went off-scale...  anyone know why?
>
>
> --
>
> Roy Coates.
> Dept of Engineering.
> Liverpool University.
> E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
> Tel: 0151 794 4862
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs
> meter.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sat Mar 21 21:46:39 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:46:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] followup questions...
In-Reply-To: <437f9832e656495db2bf4dd73bbee156.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <437f9832e656495db2bf4dd73bbee156.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903212145500.31984@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Brian Sikkema wrote:

>> This is great stuff Brian, I really appriciate it!
> I'll pass it on and
>> see what questions remain.  If nothing else,
> FlightGear will end up with
>> the best AI tanker in any sim, anywhere. :)
>
> Is someone working on this? Put me in touch! :)
>
You can hop on the irc.flightgear.org server and talk to "cptf".  The 
channel name is #flightgear.

> BTW, wanna see something cool?
>
> http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2006/06/kc135_caught_re.html
>
Now that is pretty neat. :)

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sat Mar 21 22:02:52 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:02:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Question...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903220117470.28836-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903220117470.28836-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903212202110.31984@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Sun, 22 Mar 2009, Roy Coates wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:
>
>>
>> the local 707-11
>>
>
> LOL !!   I love that  :-)
>
We need to get Brian a 7-11 logo done with 707-11 instead.  Big Slurpee ad 
on the tail.. :)

g.

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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sat Mar 21 22:04:35 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15SE
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903220120330.28836-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903220120330.28836-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903212204180.31984@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Sun, 22 Mar 2009, Roy Coates wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Rob Hommel wrote:
>>
>>> I thought it interesting that they were saying it's going to be available only for export.
>>> http://thefutureofthings.com/pod/6685/boeings-new-stealth-f-15.html
>>>
>> Well that doesn't really surprise me.  The USAF doesn't want _anything_ to
>> come between them and their beloved F-22.  A cheaper plane that could do a
>> similar job offered locally could scupper their ongoing production
>> schedule.
>
>
> My cynic alert just went off-scale...  anyone know why?
>
It was calibrated in metric units.

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 22 11:08:32 2009
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:08:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15SE
Message-ID: <904246.87345.qm@web111504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Well Gene, that is what us Phantom Phanatics used to say about the F-15. Who needs the F-15 when the cheaper Phantom can do the job? :)? 
?
Justin
?
>Forwarded Message: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15SE



Re: [simpits-tech] F-15SE
>Friday, March 20, 2009 8:34 AM



>From: 

>"Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>



>To: 
>"Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>


>On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Rob Hommel wrote:

> I thought it interesting that they were saying it's going to be available only for export.
> http://thefutureofthings.com/pod/6685/boeings-new-stealth-f-15.html
> 
>Well that doesn't really surprise me.? The USAF doesn't want _anything_ to come >between them and their beloved F-22.? A cheaper plane that could do a similar job >offered locally could scupper their ongoing production schedule.
>
>g.
>
>
>
>-- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
>http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
>OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!


      
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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Sun Mar 22 23:02:54 2009
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 02:02:54 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] followup questions...
Message-ID: <44190baef4d3457893b506c378d61910.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

>
>You can hop on the irc.flightgear.org server and talk to "cptf".  The 
>channel name is #flightgear.

Any chance for an email addy? I'm afraid that unless this guy is in Japan, the time difference will probably make IRC unworkable...

Brian


From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Mon Mar 23 01:49:49 2009
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:49:49 +1300
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15SE
In-Reply-To: <904246.87345.qm@web111504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <904246.87345.qm@web111504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0KGY00BNEB73IC10@smtp3.clear.net.nz>

At 07:08 a.m. 23/03/2009, you wrote:
>Well Gene, that is what us Phantom Phanatics used to say about the 
>F-15. Who needs the F-15 when the cheaper Phantom can do the job? :)
>
>Justin

Still do Justin, still do :)

SeanG

>
> >Forwarded Message: Re: [simpits-tech] F-15SE
>
>
>Re: [simpits-tech] F-15SE
>
>
>
> >Friday, March 20, 2009 8:34 AM
> >From:
> >"Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>
> >To:
> >"Simulator Cockpit Builder's List" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
> >On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Rob Hommel wrote:
>
> > I thought it interesting that they were saying it's going to be 
> available only for export.
> > 
> <http://thefutureofthings.com/pod/6685/boeings-new-stealth-f-15.html>http://thefutureofthings.com/pod/6685/boeings-new-stealth-f-15.html
> >
> >Well that doesn't really surprise me.  The USAF doesn't want 
> _anything_ to come >between them and their beloved F-22.  A cheaper 
> plane that could do a similar job >offered locally could scupper 
> their ongoing production schedule.
> >
> >g.
> >
> >
> >
> >-- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> ><http://www.f15sim.com/>http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
> >
> >OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
><http://gpl.openqm.com/>http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!
>
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Tue Mar 24 07:24:24 2009
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:24:24 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15SE
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903212204180.31984@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903241422520.1743-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:

> >> Well that doesn't really surprise me.  The USAF doesn't want _anything_ to
> >> come between them and their beloved F-22.  A cheaper plane that could do a
> >> similar job offered locally could scupper their ongoing production
> >> schedule.
> >
> >
> > My cynic alert just went off-scale...  anyone know why?
> >
> It was calibrated in metric units.


Hmm.. I wonder what the unit of measurement is for cynicism ?


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue Mar 24 06:37:51 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 06:37:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] F-15SE
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903241422520.1743-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903241422520.1743-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903240637290.10844@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Roy Coates wrote:

> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Gene Buckle wrote:
>
>>>> Well that doesn't really surprise me.  The USAF doesn't want _anything_ to
>>>> come between them and their beloved F-22.  A cheaper plane that could do a
>>>> similar job offered locally could scupper their ongoing production
>>>> schedule.
>>>
>>>
>>> My cynic alert just went off-scale...  anyone know why?
>>>
>> It was calibrated in metric units.
>
>
> Hmm.. I wonder what the unit of measurement is for cynicism ?
>

It's the cynimeter of course!

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed Mar 25 15:06:31 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:06:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] MiG factory...
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903251506090.17713@grumble.deltasoft.com>

http://i.gizmodo.com/5183630/where-russian-mig-fighter-jets-are-born

Pretty interesting pics.

g.


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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

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http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar 26 07:39:33 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:39:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] twins!
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903260737190.25645@grumble.deltasoft.com>


http://www.geneb.org/pitkit/twins.jpg

The manual is at 170 pages so far.  The construction of the canopy is 
completed, I just need to finish writing up the chapter.

g.


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http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From bjones at pipecomp.com.au  Thu Mar 26 08:02:08 2009
From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:02:08 +0900
Subject: [simpits-tech] twins!
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903260737190.25645@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <001401c9ae23$d5aaaab0$0300a8c0@BenLaptop>

WT......   Nah just kidding ,  who gets the better one yourself or Rob.

Head to head dog fighting seems to be the next step.


Ben
West Oz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>
To: <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:39 PM
Subject: [simpits-tech] twins!


>
> http://www.geneb.org/pitkit/twins.jpg
>
> The manual is at 170 pages so far.  The construction of the canopy is
> completed, I just need to finish writing up the chapter.
>
> g.
>
>
> -- 
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
> OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!
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From frank at rezultat.dk  Thu Mar 26 08:19:28 2009
From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:19:28 +0100
Subject: [simpits-tech] twins!
In-Reply-To: <001401c9ae23$d5aaaab0$0300a8c0@BenLaptop>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903260737190.25645@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<001401c9ae23$d5aaaab0$0300a8c0@BenLaptop>
Message-ID: <2235462B8EBC4C0B8E7F060E593F6D7F@frankzepto>

No, next must be to finally develop the software to control the IL2
Instruments - please

Frank

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WT......   Nah just kidding ,  who gets the better one yourself or Rob.

Head to head dog fighting seems to be the next step.


Ben
West Oz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>
To: <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:39 PM
Subject: [simpits-tech] twins!


>
> http://www.geneb.org/pitkit/twins.jpg
>
> The manual is at 170 pages so far.  The construction of the canopy is
> completed, I just need to finish writing up the chapter.
>
> g.
>
>
> -- 
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
> OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar 26 08:31:21 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:31:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] twins!
In-Reply-To: <001401c9ae23$d5aaaab0$0300a8c0@BenLaptop>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903260737190.25645@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<001401c9ae23$d5aaaab0$0300a8c0@BenLaptop>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903260828550.26109@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, Ben Jones wrote:

> WT......   Nah just kidding ,  who gets the better one yourself or Rob.
>
> Head to head dog fighting seems to be the next step.
>
Hehe.  The prototype (canopy open in the pic) will be the one I experiment 
on for things like different canopy & windscreen designs.  The one in the 
foreground will be finished as-designed.  It'll be a while though - I'm 
going to spend all my efforts on the F-15 after the Series One plans go on 
sale.

g.



-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar 26 08:33:02 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:33:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] twins!
In-Reply-To: <2235462B8EBC4C0B8E7F060E593F6D7F@frankzepto>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903260737190.25645@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<001401c9ae23$d5aaaab0$0300a8c0@BenLaptop>
	<2235462B8EBC4C0B8E7F060E593F6D7F@frankzepto>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903260832470.26109@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Frank Riedel wrote:

> No, next must be to finally develop the software to control the IL2
> Instruments - please
>

For what interface hardware Frank?

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From frank at rezultat.dk  Thu Mar 26 08:51:19 2009
From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:51:19 +0100
Subject: [simpits-tech] twins!
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903260832470.26109@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903260737190.25645@grumble.deltasoft.com><001401c9ae23$d5aaaab0$0300a8c0@BenLaptop><2235462B8EBC4C0B8E7F060E593F6D7F@frankzepto>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0903260832470.26109@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <66BB339F684144298DB57C03C39CA7C7@frankzepto>

OpenCockpit - ;)


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On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Frank Riedel wrote:

> No, next must be to finally develop the software to control the IL2
> Instruments - please
>

For what interface hardware Frank?

g.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar 26 08:57:58 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:57:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] twins!
In-Reply-To: <66BB339F684144298DB57C03C39CA7C7@frankzepto>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903260737190.25645@grumble.deltasoft.com><001401c9ae23$d5aaaab0$0300a8c0@BenLaptop><2235462B8EBC4C0B8E7F060E593F6D7F@frankzepto>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0903260832470.26109@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<66BB339F684144298DB57C03C39CA7C7@frankzepto>
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Frank Riedel wrote:

> OpenCockpit - ;)
>
Then you're on your own Frank.  They won't provide documentation on how to 
access the hardware.

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From dave_friend at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Mar 26 10:10:48 2009
From: dave_friend at tiscali.co.uk (Dave)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:10:48 +0000
Subject: [simpits-tech] IOCards
Message-ID: <49CBB718.7090005@tiscali.co.uk>

Gene

Isn't the IoCards SDK any good to you?

Dave

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar 26 12:14:27 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:14:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] IOCards
In-Reply-To: <49CBB718.7090005@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <49CBB718.7090005@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261214070.28466@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Dave wrote:

> Gene
>
> Isn't the IoCards SDK any good to you?
>

Got a link Dave?  I've been able to find nothing but that SIOC crap.

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From dave_friend at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Mar 26 12:40:53 2009
From: dave_friend at tiscali.co.uk (Dave)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:40:53 +0000
Subject: [simpits-tech] IOCards
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261214070.28466@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <49CBB718.7090005@tiscali.co.uk>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261214070.28466@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <49CBDA45.5090408@tiscali.co.uk>

Gene

Here's the link  http://www.cockpitware.com/

Hope it's of use!

Dave

<http://www.cockpitware.com/>

Gene Buckle wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Dave wrote:
>
>   
>> Gene
>>
>> Isn't the IoCards SDK any good to you?
>>
>>     
>
> Got a link Dave?  I've been able to find nothing but that SIOC crap.
>
> g.
>
>   
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar 26 12:59:13 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:59:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] IOCards
In-Reply-To: <49CBDA45.5090408@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <49CBB718.7090005@tiscali.co.uk>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261214070.28466@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<49CBDA45.5090408@tiscali.co.uk>
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Dave wrote:

> Gene
>
> Here's the link  http://www.cockpitware.com/
>

That appears to be the exact thing that OpenCockpits wouldn't provide. 
I'll have to dig into it.  I've got money going out on other things 
though, so I won't be able to buy any of the hardware for a while.

I'll post a note here if I'm able to get my hands on the SDK.  The forum 
appears dead.

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Thu Mar 26 15:58:04 2009
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:58:04 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] twins!
Message-ID: <0797308a465841869e31913c7e1b73c7.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

> http://www.geneb.org/pitkit/twins.jpg 

Very nice, Gene!

And I see the Shrimp Boat in the background, glad to see it still exists... ;)

Brian


From kevin at simdeck.com  Thu Mar 26 16:44:38 2009
From: kevin at simdeck.com (kevin at simdeck.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:44:38 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cylindrical Simulation and ICE Daytime Screens for
	flight simulators
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar 26 19:56:11 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:56:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] twins!
In-Reply-To: <0797308a465841869e31913c7e1b73c7.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <0797308a465841869e31913c7e1b73c7.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261955550.1983@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Brian Sikkema wrote:

>> http://www.geneb.org/pitkit/twins.jpg
>
> Very nice, Gene!
>
> And I see the Shrimp Boat in the background, glad to see it still exists... ;)
>
She's next on the list old man. :)

g.

-- 
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar 26 19:59:46 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:59:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cylindrical Simulation and ICE Daytime Screens
 for flight simulators
In-Reply-To: <20090326164438.106414f8866a2d80cfb1e65755dad23c.c05847ea1c.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
References: <20090326164438.106414f8866a2d80cfb1e65755dad23c.c05847ea1c.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261958250.1983@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Competitively priced for international market.
>
How much? :)

> Used exclusively by SimDeck Formula Simulators. www.simdeck.com
> Makes the perfect companion to Gene Buckleys kitset cockpit.
No "y". :)

> With your $1000 projector suddenly you will achieve stunning brightness,
> increased sharpeness,
Does it have to be $1000? :)

Good stuff though.

g.
-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From catalina299 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 26 20:15:15 2009
From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:15:15 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cylindrical Simulation and ICE Daytime Screens
	for flight simulators
In-Reply-To: <20090326164438.106414f8866a2d80cfb1e65755dad23c.c05847ea1c.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
References: <20090326164438.106414f8866a2d80cfb1e65755dad23c.c05847ea1c.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <3a0a6c680903262015y5b90d451mac846ee40c49672f@mail.gmail.com>

Bill wrote '
I went to Amagemated Aluminum a wholesaler to industry in Simi Valley
California  30/1000
4feetx12 feet whole sale was $197.50 a sheet and that was not aircraft
quality.That works out to be $4 a square foot so I can't imagine if your not
down under the cost could be astronomically high.

Regards

Bill

2009/3/26 <kevin at simdeck.com>

> Hi Folks
> Just a general announcement that we now have available and manufacturing to
> order
> our wrap around cylindrical simulation screens.
>
> *ICE Cylindrical Wrap Around Screen*
> This is the brochure download on this link.
> http://www.box.net/shared/08e9ob86db
>
> http://simdecksimulator.wordpress.com/simdeck-hq-centre-book-your-experience-today/sim-display-screens/curved-simulation-screens/
> The screens can be manufactured according to:
> Number of projectors
> Radius required
> Image Height and Width
> Frame Pedestal Height
>
> The screen surface is available in 2 and 10 Gain reflective
> efficiency, seamless and delivering a uniform drum tight surface.
> The complete system ships in break down format requiring straightforward
> on site assembly to achieve. This greatly minimises sea / air freight costs
>
> Delivery is according to method - sea freight 3-4 weeks. Air - allow 10
> days
> Manufacturing time commences are all specifications are signed off and
> payment confirmation is acknowledged.
>
> Competitively priced for international market.
>
>
> *ICE Daytime Lens Screens*
> *Performance Brochure link*
> http://www.box.net/shared/xzes64mib9
> *Outdoor projection*
>
> http://simdecksimulator.wordpress.com/simdeck-hq-centre-book-your-experience-today/sim-display-screens/
>
> These screens continue to be the perfect solution for single channel
> display simulation.
> Increase projector brightness by up to 2000% in well lit environments
> compared to matt white surface
> Suitable for 3D sterescopic projection
> Large range of sizes suitable for simulation ranging from 62" - 120" dia in
> 4:3 and 16:9 formats and larger
>
> - 2,000,000 pixel resolving ability
> - 2000:1 contrast
> - hot hotspoting (like glass bead screen)
> - ability to reject ambient like sources
> - based on lens technology principles.
> - wide range of sizes
> - absolutely makes huge difference compared to white / grey screens of any
> brand.
> - protected by numerous patents.
> - surface particle accuracy 5 microns
> - protected by international patents.
>
> Used exclusively by SimDeck Formula Simulators. www.simdeck.com
> Makes the perfect companion to Gene Buckleys kitset cockpit.
> With your $1000 projector suddenly you will achieve stunning brightness,
> increased sharpeness,
> more accurate colour depth, far better contrast, hints of 3D depth(naked
> eye)
> - this optical effect actually increases if you wear normal reading glasses
> etc
>
> Video's available at www.youtube.com/orbiter007
> For general queries and products contact me
> at digitaldaytime at gmail.com www.digitaldaytime.com
> Kevin Andreassend
> ICE AV Technology Ltd
> 0064-9-414 2348
>
>
>
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From frank at rezultat.dk  Fri Mar 27 00:09:36 2009
From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:09:36 +0100
Subject: [simpits-tech] IOCards
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261250360.29387@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <49CBB718.7090005@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261214070.28466@grumble.deltasoft.com><49CBDA45.5090408@tiscali.co.uk>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261250360.29387@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <AECFA8B5D3D44E4182C805DA4810F500@frankzepto>

THANKS G.

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On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Dave wrote:

> Gene
>
> Here's the link  http://www.cockpitware.com/
>

That appears to be the exact thing that OpenCockpits wouldn't provide. 
I'll have to dig into it.  I've got money going out on other things 
though, so I won't be able to buy any of the hardware for a while.

I'll post a note here if I'm able to get my hands on the SDK.  The forum 
appears dead.

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!
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From frank at rezultat.dk  Fri Mar 27 00:28:22 2009
From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:28:22 +0100
Subject: [simpits-tech] IOCards
In-Reply-To: <AECFA8B5D3D44E4182C805DA4810F500@frankzepto>
References: <49CBB718.7090005@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261214070.28466@grumble.deltasoft.com><49CBDA45.5090408@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261250360.29387@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<AECFA8B5D3D44E4182C805DA4810F500@frankzepto>
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g. you know   Phidget
why not uset his HardWare as interface ??

/Frank

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THANKS G.

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On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Dave wrote:

> Gene
>
> Here's the link  http://www.cockpitware.com/
>

That appears to be the exact thing that OpenCockpits wouldn't provide. 
I'll have to dig into it.  I've got money going out on other things 
though, so I won't be able to buy any of the hardware for a while.

I'll post a note here if I'm able to get my hands on the SDK.  The forum 
appears dead.

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

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From frank at rezultat.dk  Fri Mar 27 00:44:13 2009
From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:44:13 +0100
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cylindrical Simulation and ICE Daytime Screens for
	flight simulators
In-Reply-To: <20090326164438.106414f8866a2d80cfb1e65755dad23c.c05847ea1c.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
References: <20090326164438.106414f8866a2d80cfb1e65755dad23c.c05847ea1c.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <B92F033802CD4E5AB40CB8EB95959A71@frankzepto>

KEVIN

Loooong time since last time we wrote ? 

We are today signing a contract to setup 3 F-16 (new version) and 1 R22
simulator in Copenhagen


The new MLU version of the cockpit will have fully working HUD

MLU panels and 3 channel screen (now here I want to ask you a question)

 

What projector IF I order the Curved ICE screen will you advice ? as it must
be a special projector

And what is the price?

All the best

Frank 

 

  _____  

Fra: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af kevin at simdeck.com
Sendt: 27. marts 2009 00:45
Til: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Emne: [Spam] [simpits-tech] Cylindrical Simulation and ICE Daytime Screens
for flight simulators

 

Hi Folks

Just a general announcement that we now have available and manufacturing to
order

our wrap around cylindrical simulation screens.

 

ICE Cylindrical Wrap Around Screen

This is the brochure download on this link.

http://www.box.net/shared/08e9ob86db

http://simdecksimulator.wordpress.com/simdeck-hq-centre-book-your-experience
-today/sim-display-screens/curved-simulation-screens/

The screens can be manufactured according to:

Number of projectors

Radius required

Image Height and Width

Frame Pedestal Height

 

The screen surface is available in 2 and 10 Gain reflective

efficiency, seamless and delivering a uniform drum tight surface.

The complete system ships in break down format requiring straightforward

on site assembly to achieve. This greatly minimises sea / air freight costs

 

Delivery is according to method - sea freight 3-4 weeks. Air - allow 10 days

Manufacturing time commences are all specifications are signed off and

payment confirmation is acknowledged.

Competitively priced for international market.

 

 

ICE Daytime Lens Screens

Performance Brochure link

http://www.box.net/shared/xzes64mib9

Outdoor projection

http://simdecksimulator.wordpress.com/simdeck-hq-centre-book-your-experience
-today/sim-display-screens/

 

These screens continue to be the perfect solution for single channel display
simulation.

Increase projector brightness by up to 2000% in well lit environments
compared to matt white surface

Suitable for 3D sterescopic projection

Large range of sizes suitable for simulation ranging from 62" - 120" dia in
4:3 and 16:9 formats and larger

 

- 2,000,000 pixel resolving ability

- 2000:1 contrast

- hot hotspoting (like glass bead screen)

- ability to reject ambient like sources

- based on lens technology principles.

- wide range of sizes

- absolutely makes huge difference compared to white / grey screens of any
brand.

- protected by numerous patents.

- surface particle accuracy 5 microns

- protected by international patents.

 

Used exclusively by SimDeck Formula Simulators. www.simdeck.com

Makes the perfect companion to Gene Buckleys kitset cockpit.

With your $1000 projector suddenly you will achieve stunning brightness,
increased sharpeness,

more accurate colour depth, far better contrast, hints of 3D depth(naked
eye) 

- this optical effect actually increases if you wear normal reading glasses
etc

 

Video's available at www.youtube.com/orbiter007

For general queries and products contact me

at digitaldaytime at gmail.com www.digitaldaytime.com

Kevin Andreassend

ICE AV Technology Ltd

0064-9-414 2348

 

 

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Mar 27 06:34:51 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:34:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] IOCards
In-Reply-To: <DA3AD4568ECD4FACB0193A61F1DEE642@frankzepto>
References: <49CBB718.7090005@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261214070.28466@grumble.deltasoft.com><49CBDA45.5090408@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261250360.29387@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<AECFA8B5D3D44E4182C805DA4810F500@frankzepto>
	<DA3AD4568ECD4FACB0193A61F1DEE642@frankzepto>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903270622300.9024@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, Frank Riedel wrote:

> g. you know   Phidget
> why not uset his HardWare as interface ??
>

Primarily because there are better options out there.  One platform I'm 
looking pretty deeply into is the PHCC (Pic Home Cockpit Controller) 
platform.  The website is here: http://phcc.varxec.net/wiki/Main_Page

A number of people that use Falcon are getting into them.  I'm sure Jay 
can point you at the right forum.

g.



-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 27 15:04:03 2009
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:04:03 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] IOCards
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903270622300.9024@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <49CBB718.7090005@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261214070.28466@grumble.deltasoft.com><49CBDA45.5090408@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261250360.29387@grumble.deltasoft.com><AECFA8B5D3D44E4182C805DA4810F500@frankzepto><DA3AD4568ECD4FACB0193A61F1DEE642@frankzepto>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0903270622300.9024@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <89556406793A4670AE34EFC801BEC8A5@flightsystems>

There's still no real software for this yet.  There is the Joymapper by
David Lazar that will allow the PHCC to be seen as multiple windows
joysticks.  This gives the advantage of being able to map switches to
directx instead of keystrokes.  However, there is still no viable interface
for output of data bits and light bits yet.  There are several being worked
on but no one has released anything yet.

Jay

Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will
show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones.
--Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:35 AM
To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] IOCards

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, Frank Riedel wrote:

> g. you know   Phidget
> why not uset his HardWare as interface ??
>

Primarily because there are better options out there.  One platform I'm 
looking pretty deeply into is the PHCC (Pic Home Cockpit Controller) 
platform.  The website is here: http://phcc.varxec.net/wiki/Main_Page

A number of people that use Falcon are getting into them.  I'm sure Jay 
can point you at the right forum.

g.



-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

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From raysot at comcast.net  Fri Mar 27 21:36:00 2009
From: raysot at comcast.net (Ray Sotkiewicz)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:36:00 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] a Newcomer...
In-Reply-To: <89556406793A4670AE34EFC801BEC8A5@flightsystems>
References: <49CBB718.7090005@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261214070.28466@grumble.deltasoft.com><49CBDA45.5090408@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261250360.29387@grumble.deltasoft.com><AECFA8B5D3D44E4182C805DA4810F500@frankzepto><DA3AD4568ECD4FACB0193A61F1DEE642@frankzepto>	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0903270622300.9024@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<89556406793A4670AE34EFC801BEC8A5@flightsystems>
Message-ID: <49CDA930.8020903@comcast.net>

Hello, all

I've been lurking on this mailing list for a little while, but it's time 
the silence is broken. :-)

I have been building a 777 flight deck since 1997. While it has 
progressed quite a bit since, I have to be honest with myself and say 
that performing takeoffs then flying on AP for 5 hours, then performing 
an ILS landing is getting boring.

I want to blow stuff up.

I have my heart set on an F/A-18 cockpit. However, it looks like there's 
pretty much nothing out there that will give me guns/bombs with the 
ability to interface something like EPIC and/or FSUIPC.

I hope for some sage advice.

Thanks~!
Ray Sotkiewicz




From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Mar 27 22:09:54 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:09:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] IOCards
In-Reply-To: <89556406793A4670AE34EFC801BEC8A5@flightsystems>
References: <49CBB718.7090005@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261214070.28466@grumble.deltasoft.com><49CBDA45.5090408@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261250360.29387@grumble.deltasoft.com><AECFA8B5D3D44E4182C805DA4810F500@frankzepto><DA3AD4568ECD4FACB0193A61F1DEE642@frankzepto>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0903270622300.9024@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<89556406793A4670AE34EFC801BEC8A5@flightsystems>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903272209070.19361@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, Joseph Fagner wrote:

> There's still no real software for this yet.  There is the Joymapper by
> David Lazar that will allow the PHCC to be seen as multiple windows
> joysticks.  This gives the advantage of being able to map switches to
> directx instead of keystrokes.  However, there is still no viable interface
> for output of data bits and light bits yet.  There are several being worked
> on but no one has released anything yet.
>
Really?  Wow.  I'd have thought someone had something done already. 
There's a nice interface dll a guy did that makes talking to the PHCC 
pretty easy.

g.
  -- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Mar 27 22:35:11 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:35:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] a Newcomer...
In-Reply-To: <49CDA930.8020903@comcast.net>
References: <49CBB718.7090005@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261214070.28466@grumble.deltasoft.com><49CBDA45.5090408@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261250360.29387@grumble.deltasoft.com><AECFA8B5D3D44E4182C805DA4810F500@frankzepto><DA3AD4568ECD4FACB0193A61F1DEE642@frankzepto>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0903270622300.9024@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<89556406793A4670AE34EFC801BEC8A5@flightsystems>
	<49CDA930.8020903@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903272224300.19361@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, Ray Sotkiewicz wrote:

> Hello, all
>
> I've been lurking on this mailing list for a little while, but it's time
> the silence is broken. :-)
>
Hi Ray.  I was wondering when you were going to speak up. :)
Welcome!

> I want to blow stuff up.
>
Ahh.  Good man! :)

> I have my heart set on an F/A-18 cockpit. However, it looks like there's
> pretty much nothing out there that will give me guns/bombs with the
> ability to interface something like EPIC and/or FSUIPC.
>
If you're not afraid to write your own glue code, you can use Lock On: 
Modern Air Combat.  That's pretty much your only bet for the F/A-18 and 
even then it'll be a tweak to the in-game F-15 model.

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 27 22:42:53 2009
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:42:53 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] a Newcomer...
In-Reply-To: <49CDA930.8020903@comcast.net>
References: <49CBB718.7090005@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261214070.28466@grumble.deltasoft.com><49CBDA45.5090408@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261250360.29387@grumble.deltasoft.com><AECFA8B5D3D44E4182C805DA4810F500@frankzepto><DA3AD4568ECD4FACB0193A61F1DEE642@frankzepto>	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0903270622300.9024@grumble.deltasoft.com><89556406793A4670AE34EFC801BEC8A5@flightsystems>
	<49CDA930.8020903@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6A5D4DFBD1824F7FB7DA75D05088E27D@flightsystems>

Bout time you came to the dark side.

As gene said, software for the F18 is pretty much nil.  LOMAC is your best
bet really....or come over to the other side and build an F-16, there is
SOOOOO much more stuff for it from the software and hardware aspect.  With
the 18 you are pretty much where the 16 guys were 10 years ago.  Gene is the
only real one building an F15 I've seen and when you see his platform you'll
know why.  If I had that I'd be building an F15 as well.

jay

Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will
show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones.
--Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter
-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Ray Sotkiewicz
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:36 PM
To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List
Subject: [simpits-tech] a Newcomer...

Hello, all

I've been lurking on this mailing list for a little while, but it's time 
the silence is broken. :-)

I have been building a 777 flight deck since 1997. While it has 
progressed quite a bit since, I have to be honest with myself and say 
that performing takeoffs then flying on AP for 5 hours, then performing 
an ILS landing is getting boring.

I want to blow stuff up.

I have my heart set on an F/A-18 cockpit. However, it looks like there's 
pretty much nothing out there that will give me guns/bombs with the 
ability to interface something like EPIC and/or FSUIPC.

I hope for some sage advice.

Thanks~!
Ray Sotkiewicz



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From raysot at comcast.net  Fri Mar 27 22:49:10 2009
From: raysot at comcast.net (Ray Sotkiewicz)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:49:10 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] a Newcomer...
In-Reply-To: <6A5D4DFBD1824F7FB7DA75D05088E27D@flightsystems>
References: <49CBB718.7090005@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261214070.28466@grumble.deltasoft.com><49CBDA45.5090408@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261250360.29387@grumble.deltasoft.com><AECFA8B5D3D44E4182C805DA4810F500@frankzepto><DA3AD4568ECD4FACB0193A61F1DEE642@frankzepto>	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0903270622300.9024@grumble.deltasoft.com><89556406793A4670AE34EFC801BEC8A5@flightsystems>	<49CDA930.8020903@comcast.net>
	<6A5D4DFBD1824F7FB7DA75D05088E27D@flightsystems>
Message-ID: <49CDBA56.8020108@comcast.net>

I vacillated between the F16 and F18. I'm partial to the F18 as it was 
my bird in the service and I can get exact measurements from a static at 
the Museum of Flight in Seattle.

However... I just downloaded/installed Falcon4 with the OpenFalcon stuff 
on top and ..... WOW!

Is anyone doing the stand-alone MFDs for Falcon? Is the concept even 
possible yet...

Questions questions questions....

(Don't tell my wife I went to the dark side....)
Ray




 


Joseph Fagner wrote:
> Bout time you came to the dark side.
>
> As gene said, software for the F18 is pretty much nil.  LOMAC is your best
> bet really....or come over to the other side and build an F-16, there is
> SOOOOO much more stuff for it from the software and hardware aspect.  With
> the 18 you are pretty much where the 16 guys were 10 years ago.  Gene is the
> only real one building an F15 I've seen and when you see his platform you'll
> know why.  If I had that I'd be building an F15 as well.
>
> jay
>
> Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will
> show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones.
> --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter
> -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Ray Sotkiewicz
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:36 PM
> To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List
> Subject: [simpits-tech] a Newcomer...
>
> Hello, all
>
> I've been lurking on this mailing list for a little while, but it's time 
> the silence is broken. :-)
>
> I have been building a 777 flight deck since 1997. While it has 
> progressed quite a bit since, I have to be honest with myself and say 
> that performing takeoffs then flying on AP for 5 hours, then performing 
> an ILS landing is getting boring.
>
> I want to blow stuff up.
>
> I have my heart set on an F/A-18 cockpit. However, it looks like there's 
> pretty much nothing out there that will give me guns/bombs with the 
> ability to interface something like EPIC and/or FSUIPC.
>
> I hope for some sage advice.
>
> Thanks~!
> Ray Sotkiewicz
>
>
>
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From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 27 23:10:51 2009
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 01:10:51 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] a Newcomer...
In-Reply-To: <49CDBA56.8020108@comcast.net>
References: <49CBB718.7090005@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261214070.28466@grumble.deltasoft.com><49CBDA45.5090408@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261250360.29387@grumble.deltasoft.com><AECFA8B5D3D44E4182C805DA4810F500@frankzepto><DA3AD4568ECD4FACB0193A61F1DEE642@frankzepto>	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0903270622300.9024@grumble.deltasoft.com><89556406793A4670AE34EFC801BEC8A5@flightsystems>	<49CDA930.8020903@comcast.net><6A5D4DFBD1824F7FB7DA75D05088E27D@flightsystems>
	<49CDBA56.8020108@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <A2910AA41C254444816F01570369BB8E@flightsystems>

By stand alone MFDs, you mean functional screens?  Yes it can be done.  A
guy on the VP wrote a program called MFD extractor for this very thing.  It
takes that screen and sends it to another machine over a network connection
and you can get functional MFDs.  A bit of work to get there but it's
doable.  Should work with Open Falcon since that was the version of falcon
it was written and tested for.  Plus, the data that can be extracted and
piped into the pit is growing day by day.  There's not too darn much you
can't hook up no a days.  The avionics are pretty damn realistic...probably
not as precise and accurate as the ones in MSFS for the heavies, but they
are as good as you'll see in any mil sim outside of the military.

Go check out Viperpit.org...it will take you a good solid month or two to go
through everything.  I would start with pit threads first and that will give
you an idea of what people have done and where they are.  There's a near
100% chance that any question you have will have been asked and answered at
least 3x previously and with each progression the answer is different
because things have advanced.

Jay

Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will
show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones.
--Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter
-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Ray Sotkiewicz
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:49 AM
To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] a Newcomer...

I vacillated between the F16 and F18. I'm partial to the F18 as it was 
my bird in the service and I can get exact measurements from a static at 
the Museum of Flight in Seattle.

However... I just downloaded/installed Falcon4 with the OpenFalcon stuff 
on top and ..... WOW!

Is anyone doing the stand-alone MFDs for Falcon? Is the concept even 
possible yet...

Questions questions questions....

(Don't tell my wife I went to the dark side....)
Ray




 


Joseph Fagner wrote:
> Bout time you came to the dark side.
>
> As gene said, software for the F18 is pretty much nil.  LOMAC is your best
> bet really....or come over to the other side and build an F-16, there is
> SOOOOO much more stuff for it from the software and hardware aspect.  With
> the 18 you are pretty much where the 16 guys were 10 years ago.  Gene is
the
> only real one building an F15 I've seen and when you see his platform
you'll
> know why.  If I had that I'd be building an F15 as well.
>
> jay
>
> Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will
> show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones.
> --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter
> -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Ray Sotkiewicz
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:36 PM
> To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List
> Subject: [simpits-tech] a Newcomer...
>
> Hello, all
>
> I've been lurking on this mailing list for a little while, but it's time 
> the silence is broken. :-)
>
> I have been building a 777 flight deck since 1997. While it has 
> progressed quite a bit since, I have to be honest with myself and say 
> that performing takeoffs then flying on AP for 5 hours, then performing 
> an ILS landing is getting boring.
>
> I want to blow stuff up.
>
> I have my heart set on an F/A-18 cockpit. However, it looks like there's 
> pretty much nothing out there that will give me guns/bombs with the 
> ability to interface something like EPIC and/or FSUIPC.
>
> I hope for some sage advice.
>
> Thanks~!
> Ray Sotkiewicz
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sat Mar 28 07:44:33 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 07:44:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] a Newcomer...
In-Reply-To: <49CDBA56.8020108@comcast.net>
References: <49CBB718.7090005@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261214070.28466@grumble.deltasoft.com><49CBDA45.5090408@tiscali.co.uk><alpine.LFD.1.10.0903261250360.29387@grumble.deltasoft.com><AECFA8B5D3D44E4182C805DA4810F500@frankzepto><DA3AD4568ECD4FACB0193A61F1DEE642@frankzepto>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0903270622300.9024@grumble.deltasoft.com><89556406793A4670AE34EFC801BEC8A5@flightsystems>
	<49CDA930.8020903@comcast.net>
	<6A5D4DFBD1824F7FB7DA75D05088E27D@flightsystems>
	<49CDBA56.8020108@comcast.net>
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On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, Ray Sotkiewicz wrote:

>
> (Don't tell my wife I went to the dark side....)
> Ray

It's ok Ray, we have cookies. :)

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

OpenQM - A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://gpl.openqm.com - Get it _today_!

From f16 at xflight.de  Sat Mar 28 10:29:22 2009
From: f16 at xflight.de (F16)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:29:22 +0100
Subject: [simpits-tech] a Newcomer...
In-Reply-To: <49CDA930.8020903@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000601c9afca$c3721ce0$15b2a8c0@PRI00050>

Hello Ray,

welcome in the community and all the best for your F/A-18 dream :-))

Have a nice weekend
Martin "Pegasus"


From frank at rezultat.dk  Sat Mar 28 10:45:09 2009
From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:45:09 +0100
Subject: [simpits-tech] a Newcomer...
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References: <49CDA930.8020903@comcast.net>
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WOW Pegasus
Still alive...
How is your status on simulator?

All the best
Frank

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Hello Ray,

welcome in the community and all the best for your F/A-18 dream :-))

Have a nice weekend
Martin "Pegasus"

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun Mar 29 16:26:44 2009
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:26:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Manual update...
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0903291623460.4145@grumble.deltasoft.com>

For those interested in the DIY cockpit project, I've just posted a new 
draft manual - it's up to 183 pages now and there is only a single chapter 
left to write.

http://www.geneb.org/pitkit/series_one29Mar09.pdf

I painted the windscreen with a specially tinted primer - it looks pretty 
good, but needs another coat:

http://www.geneb.org/pitkit/primed_windscree_sm.png

The last chapter will cover final assembly and some exterior finishing 
tips.  (like the tint codes to have your local Ace Hardware mix up some 
Zinc Chromate Green for you. :) )

g.


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From mcollins at null.net  Sun Mar 29 16:57:43 2009
From: mcollins at null.net (Mark Collins)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:57:43 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] a Newcomer...
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Message-ID: <NDBBLEJPMLDGNEOBODGFOEDOEJAA.mcollins@null.net>

Pegasus...
from the 187th Avengers?

Slarti

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Hello Ray,

welcome in the community and all the best for your F/A-18 dream :-))

Have a nice weekend
Martin "Pegasus"

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From f16 at xflight.de  Mon Mar 30 11:26:09 2009
From: f16 at xflight.de (F16)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:26:09 +0200
Subject: [simpits-tech] a Newcomer...
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Hi Slarti,

no, it's long time ago that I was in the 23rd Hawks (F-16 VFS).

Best wishes
Martin

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Pegasus...
from the 187th Avengers?

Slarti