From alex at flyinglow.ca Sun Jan 4 17:34:41 2009 From: alex at flyinglow.ca (Alex Wiebe) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:34:41 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Offtopic - Simple binary logging Message-ID: <76a0ed220901041734sd3a9230y92e99fb0a80b70d1@mail.gmail.com> Hi guys - this is sort of off topic (although some may find related benefit): I would like to read the state of 4 switches and for 3 of them log how many seconds of every minute they are on, and for the other log the number of times it is 'pressed' in a given minute. I'm thinking it should be straight forward to write a C++ program to read the state of the 4 joystick buttons, however, this is proving to be a bit cumbersome. Does anyone have a basic joystick button testing program in their toolkit they'd mind sharing the source with me? Thanks, Alex (PS - I'm trying to build a utility monitor. The counting switch is essentially the number of revolutions of my power meter, and the other 3 are status indicators of the heating elements in my furnace and hot water tank.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20090104/7a6abd44/attachment.html From allendc at qwest.net Sun Jan 4 17:50:24 2009 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:50:24 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Offtopic - Simple binary logging In-Reply-To: <76a0ed220901041734sd3a9230y92e99fb0a80b70d1@mail.gmail.com > References: <76a0ed220901041734sd3a9230y92e99fb0a80b70d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090105015027.E51E41A993D@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> Check this out http://cgi.ebay.com/PIC-18F67J60-Web-Server-Demo-Board_W0QQitemZ400006948266QQihZ027QQcategoryZ36327QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem David www.737FlightSim.com At 07:34 PM 1/4/2009 -0600, you wrote: >Hi guys - this is sort of off topic (although some may find related benefit): > >I would like to read the state of 4 switches and for 3 of them log >how many seconds of every minute they are on, and for the other log >the number of times it is 'pressed' in a given minute. I'm thinking >it should be straight forward to write a C++ program to read the >state of the 4 joystick buttons, however, this is proving to be a >bit cumbersome. > >Does anyone have a basic joystick button testing program in their >toolkit they'd mind sharing the source with me? > >Thanks, >Alex > >(PS - I'm trying to build a utility monitor. The counting switch is >essentially the number of revolutions of my power meter, and the >other 3 are status indicators of the heating elements in my furnace >and hot water tank.) >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature database 3735 (20090104) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com From allendc at qwest.net Sun Jan 4 17:51:44 2009 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:51:44 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Offtopic - Simple binary logging Message-ID: <20090105015148.1753162787C@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> Or Check this out http://cgi.ebay.com/PIC-18F67J60-Web-Server-Kit-Server-Demo-Board_W0QQitemZ400006950689QQihZ027QQcategoryZ36327QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem David www.737FlightSim.com At 07:34 PM 1/4/2009 -0600, you wrote: >Hi guys - this is sort of off topic (although some may find related benefit): > >I would like to read the state of 4 switches and for 3 of them log >how many seconds of every minute they are on, and for the other log >the number of times it is 'pressed' in a given minute. I'm thinking >it should be straight forward to write a C++ program to read the >state of the 4 joystick buttons, however, this is proving to be a >bit cumbersome. > >Does anyone have a basic joystick button testing program in their >toolkit they'd mind sharing the source with me? > >Thanks, >Alex > >(PS - I'm trying to build a utility monitor. The counting switch is >essentially the number of revolutions of my power meter, and the >other 3 are status indicators of the heating elements in my furnace >and hot water tank.) >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature database 3735 (20090104) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Jan 9 08:05:52 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:05:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] test... Message-ID: Test post (there may be many of these today - please don't reply) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Jan 9 08:14:04 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:14:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] test II Message-ID: test -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Jan 9 08:17:03 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:17:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] test iii Message-ID: test -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Jan 9 08:19:36 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:19:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] test iv Message-ID: test -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Jan 9 08:25:51 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:25:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] test v Message-ID: -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Jan 9 08:38:21 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:38:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] test vi Message-ID: -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Jan 9 08:40:36 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:40:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] test vii Message-ID: -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Jan 9 08:43:39 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:43:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] last test, really! Message-ID: Maybe. I think. :D g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Jan 9 08:44:54 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Administrator) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:44:54 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] last test, really! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.49677f06@www.simpits.org> Ok, I lied. That wasn't the last test. :d g. From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Jan 9 09:01:38 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:01:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] new toy... Message-ID: Thanks for putting up with the test posts folks. Over the years there has been much discussion on the question of a web based message forum vs a mailing list. I've finally been able to settle it once and for all. You can now use either/or. I've set up a forum that will "gate" message traffic to and from the mailing list. The only caveat is that for messages posted to the forum to reach the mailing list, you must have signed into the forum using the same email address that you used to subscribe to the mailing list. If you don't, you'll get a bounce message from the mailing list manager program. (and nobody on the list will see your post) If you want to take advantage of this, the forum is available at http://www.simpits.org/forum. If you want to stop getting list mail and only participate via the forum, you can edit your settings here: http://www.simpits.org/mailman/options/simpits-tech Once you've signed in, scroll down to "Your Simpits-tech Subscription Options". The field you want to change is "Mail Delivery". By setting it to "disabled", it will prevent the list from sending mail to you, BUT you'll still be able to participate in the list via the forum. If there are any questions, please don't hesitate to ask! thanks all. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Jan 9 09:07:49 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Administrator) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:07:49 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Linked forum ! Message-ID: <7.49678464@www.simpits.org> This forum is linked to the simpits-tech mailing list at http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech! If you want posts made to this list appear on the mailing list, you'll need to change the email address you use here to the same one you're subscribed to at simpits-tech if it's not already. If you're a new user, you can subscribe to the list and set your delivery options to "no mail". This will allow your posts here to be accepted by the mailing list, but you won't get any mail from the mailing list. g. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Fri Jan 9 19:12:53 2009 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:12:53 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Linked forum ! Message-ID: Having our cake, and eating it, too? Brilliant! :D From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Jan 9 22:05:17 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:05:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Linked forum ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, Brian Sikkema wrote: > Having our cake, and eating it, too? Brilliant! :D > Yep. :) BTW, a guy I just set up a blog for (He's got an F-84F forward fuselage section, remarkably complete) recently purchased something like 50 rolls of microfilm from NASM for it. He literally has every drawing and bit of documentation needed to build a brand new F-84F from scratch. The reason I mention this is that I'm quite sure they'll have that same kind of documentation for the Mercury capsule. It would certainly take all the guesswork out of your project. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Sun Jan 18 18:59:07 2009 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:59:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] I need the Falcon AF overview Message-ID: <486234.49328.qm@web111508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have been to Viperpits many times, but there is no instructional?section telling where and how to modify Falcon AF for use in a pit. ?I need to know how to modify it so that you can fly other jets?besides F-16s, and if there is a way to modify the HUD view so that the HUD is the correct size for my sim when using a projector. ? We have a real Cobra helicopter sim that I would like to network with the jet sims using a combat simulation, but it appears there not a good game out there?capable of this that?can also be?adapted for use in?a pit. ? Justin ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20090118/33835d22/attachment.html From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 18 22:07:16 2009 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:07:16 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] I need the Falcon AF overview In-Reply-To: <486234.49328.qm@web111508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <486234.49328.qm@web111508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That's because the creators of AF don't care about simulator guys like us. They came out and said so. That's why anyone that flies falcon seriously with a sim uses open falcon as the avionics are far more realistic..and you can make said modifications. Jay Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones. --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter _____ From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Justin Messenger Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:59 PM To: Simpits Tech Subject: [simpits-tech] I need the Falcon AF overview I have been to Viperpits many times, but there is no instructional section telling where and how to modify Falcon AF for use in a pit. I need to know how to modify it so that you can fly other jets besides F-16s, and if there is a way to modify the HUD view so that the HUD is the correct size for my sim when using a projector. We have a real Cobra helicopter sim that I would like to network with the jet sims using a combat simulation, but it appears there not a good game out there capable of this that can also be adapted for use in a pit. Justin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20090119/69490939/attachment-0001.html From echotech1452 at gmail.com Mon Jan 19 07:18:53 2009 From: echotech1452 at gmail.com (delor lauchang) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:18:53 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] I need the Falcon AF overview In-Reply-To: <486234.49328.qm@web111508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <486234.49328.qm@web111508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: you can try eric marcianos hud, ive used it and modified to work on all other FS9 jets. the size and position can be modified on the panel cfg. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Justin Messenger wrote: > **I have been to Viperpits many times, but there is no > instructional section telling where and how to modify Falcon AF for use in a > pit. I need to know how to modify it so that you can fly other jets besides > F-16s, and if there is a way to modify the HUD view so that the HUD is the > correct size for my sim when using a projector. > > We have a real Cobra helicopter sim that I would like to network with the > jet sims using a combat simulation, but it appears there not a good game out > there capable of this that can also be adapted for use in a pit. > > Justin > * * > > ** > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20090119/c160a71f/attachment.html From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 19 20:03:49 2009 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:03:49 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Open Falcon In-Reply-To: <672732.76312.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <672732.76312.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That's your problem. Ditch Vista all together for EVERYTHING. It's a POS and a buggy pile of steaming dog poo. Falcon MUST be put on XP if you want to have a prayer of it working. There'a a 4.7 update to the OF 4.5 as well. Jay Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones. --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter _____ From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Justin Messenger Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:35 PM To: Simpits Tech Subject: [simpits-tech] Open Falcon Just tried OF 4.5 and I was able to fly it once. Now it just crashes when I try to fly. Falcon AF wont recognize my Plasma card. My hat is off you to you Falcon pit builders who somehow get any version of Falcon to work. Maybe Vista is the problem -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20090119/e9193506/attachment.html From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 10:07:08 2009 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:07:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] two operating systems on one PC Message-ID: <49044.69447.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Im thinking of placing a 2nd hard drive on my PC and installing XP on it for?running Falcon. ? I know?people have more than on operating system on a PC and select which to use when they boot though I had no idea how to do this? Can any of you point me in the right direction? ? Currently my PC is configured to run FS9 and X with Vista, since it works well?I dont want to undo it. ?It takes forever to reconfigure the sim after a clean operating system install. ? Justin ? ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20090123/9a447936/attachment.html From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Fri Jan 23 10:42:30 2009 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:42:30 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] two operating systems on one PC References: <49044.69447.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003101c97d8a$596c5300$6600a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Justin, I run a couple operating systems. What I did was install removable hard drive bays and then I just plug in the Hard Drive I want to use before I boot up. Each drive has it's own operating system and program files. May be an odd way around it, but it's hassle free and cheap. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Messenger To: Simpits Tech Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 2:07 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] two operating systems on one PC Im thinking of placing a 2nd hard drive on my PC and installing XP on it for running Falcon. I know people have more than on operating system on a PC and select which to use when they boot though I had no idea how to do this? Can any of you point me in the right direction? Currently my PC is configured to run FS9 and X with Vista, since it works well I dont want to undo it. It takes forever to reconfigure the sim after a clean operating system install. Justin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20090123/fc908882/attachment.html From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Fri Jan 23 15:51:18 2009 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:51:18 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] two operating systems on one PC Message-ID: <6828d9f1fe0c487783ecadbc4a5574b7.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Shouldn't be too hard. You just need a bootloader. Here's one I just googled up that will handle XP And Vista: http://www.bootkey.com/English/Introduction_en.aspx They even have a tutorial for the same: http://www.bootkey.com/English/Dual%20Boot%20Vista%20and%20XP%20with%20BootKey%20(Reserving%20existing%20Vista).pdf There may be better ones out there, I dunno since I haven't messed with bootloaders for Windows much. Only time I ever used them was dual booting linux and XP. But they worked great for that! The advantage of this method over plugging and unplugging hard drives is you can access data on both... So for example if you have an upgrade or whatever you want to plop on FSX, you can do it to both your XP and your Vista install without having to change out hard drives and reboot, etc. Brian ------- Original Message ------- >From : Justin Messenger[mailto:jjmessenger at yahoo.com] Sent : 1/23/2009 1:07:08 PM To : Simpits-tech at simpits.org Cc : Subject : RE: [simpits-tech] two operating systems on one PC Im thinking of placing a 2nd hard drive on my PC and installing XP on it for running Falcon. I know people have more than on operating system on a PC and select which to use when they boot though I had no idea how to do this? Can any of you point me in the right direction? Currently my PC is configured to run FS9 and X with Vista, since it works well I dont want to undo it. It takes forever to reconfigure the sim after a clean operating system install. Justin From pigi at frumar.it Sat Jan 24 09:58:10 2009 From: pigi at frumar.it (pigi at frumar.it) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:58:10 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] FS2k4 instruments on other PC ? Message-ID: <200901241858.10554.pigi@frumar.it> Hi all, I would like to use a second PC to display the plane's instruments. Just to be clear, I was searching something like falcon-glass ( for Falcon AF ), with some already built instruments. Can you point me to the easy solution to achieve this ? I have seen something on schiratti site, but I'm not sure is the easy way. Pierluigi From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Sat Jan 24 11:17:42 2009 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris.Harrison) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:17:42 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] FS2k4 instruments on other PC ? In-Reply-To: <200901241858.10554.pigi@frumar.it> References: <200901241858.10554.pigi@frumar.it> Message-ID: <497B6956.2060908@gmail.com> pigi at frumar.it wrote: > Hi all, > I would like to use a second PC to display the plane's instruments. > Just to be clear, I was searching something like falcon-glass ( for Falcon AF ), with some already built instruments. > Can you point me to the easy solution to achieve this ? > > I have seen something on schiratti site, but I'm not sure is the easy way. > > Pierluigi > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > > Does your present video card supprort 2 monitors? If not you will have to (a) change your video card, (b)buy a second video card.. If your pc has so extra pci slots in it. put in a Matrox Melleium should be less than $20 used... then go to windows control panel and tell widows to use the second display. Enjoy Cris Harrison www.phoenixcomm.net/~phnx2000/sim www.phoenixaerospace.us From catalina299 at gmail.com Sat Jan 24 15:17:58 2009 From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:17:58 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] FS2k4 instruments on other PC ? In-Reply-To: <497B6956.2060908@gmail.com> References: <200901241858.10554.pigi@frumar.it> <497B6956.2060908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a0a6c680901241517r70f7c25ck7bf2a284428cba14@mail.gmail.com> On the other hand if your running a Mac Pro you can run up to 8 monitors without anything additional . I don't know about FS but X-planeon a PC in rendering options just check the box for 2 monitors. Rick Davis did that and it works because I tried it too. You can run one for panel view only and one for scenery only or we use it to bring into use the moving map and the X-plane on the second one Regards Bill On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Cris.Harrison wrote: > pigi at frumar.it wrote: > > Hi all, > > I would like to use a second PC to display the plane's instruments. > > Just to be clear, I was searching something like falcon-glass ( for > Falcon AF ), with some already built instruments. > > Can you point me to the easy solution to achieve this ? > > > > I have seen something on schiratti site, but I'm not sure is the easy > way. > > > > Pierluigi > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > > > > Does your present video card supprort 2 monitors? > If not you will have to (a) change your video card, (b)buy a second video > card.. > If your pc has so extra pci slots in it. put in a Matrox Melleium should be > less than $20 used... > then go to windows control panel and tell widows to use the second display. > > Enjoy > Cris Harrison > www.phoenixcomm.net/~phnx2000/sim > www.phoenixaerospace.us > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20090124/6909a582/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Sat Jan 24 16:45:12 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:45:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] FS2k4 instruments on other PC ? In-Reply-To: <3a0a6c680901241517r70f7c25ck7bf2a284428cba14@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901241858.10554.pigi@frumar.it> <497B6956.2060908@gmail.com> <3a0a6c680901241517r70f7c25ck7bf2a284428cba14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Jan 2009, William Segal wrote: > On the other hand if your running a Mac Pro you can run up to 8 monitors > without anything additional . I don't know about FS but X-planeon a PC in Nonsense. Even on a Mac you would need four dual head or 8 single headed cards. Just the same as a PC. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 19:00:38 2009 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:00:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] two operating systems on one PC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <984563.37182.qm@web111501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks Brian.Are you in Japan now? I spent Christmas in Altus. ? Justin ? ? Friday, January 23, 2009 5:51 PM From: "Brian Sikkema" To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Shouldn't be too hard. You just need a bootloader. Here's one I just googled up that will handle XP And Vista: http://www.bootkey.com/English/Introduction_en.aspx They even have a tutorial for the same: http://www.bootkey.com/English/Dual%20Boot%20Vista%20and%20XP%20with%20BootKey%20(Reserving%20existing%20Vista).pdf There may be better ones out there, I dunno since I haven't messed with bootloaders for Windows much. Only time I ever used them was dual booting linux and XP. But they worked great for that! The advantage of this method over plugging and unplugging hard drives is you can access data on both... So for example if you have an upgrade or whatever you want to plop on FSX, you can do it to both your XP and your Vista install without having to change out hard drives and reboot, etc. Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20090124/b118fffd/attachment.html From catalina299 at gmail.com Sat Jan 24 20:23:32 2009 From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:23:32 -0800 Subject: [simpits-tech] FS2k4 instruments on other PC ? In-Reply-To: References: <200901241858.10554.pigi@frumar.it> <497B6956.2060908@gmail.com> <3a0a6c680901241517r70f7c25ck7bf2a284428cba14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a0a6c680901242023k219cab48gd7531fd03fe3d656@mail.gmail.com> .I asked Sergio do you know who he is ?I have 2 8800GS Mac and 16gigs of ram he told me I could run upto eight . I don't know what I am talking about but I am sure he does . I do suspect he is not talking about X-P lane probably just business stuff grant you that. As you know X-Plane on the Rendering tab you can run 2 monitors easily just by setting the switch.I was able to run 2-24inch LCD's at 1680x1050 on both monitors at the same time.One for normal flying and the second one for the map without issue. (-: Bill On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Gene Buckle wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jan 2009, William Segal wrote: > > > On the other hand if your running a Mac Pro you can run up to 8 monitors > > without anything additional . I don't know about FS but X-planeon a PC in > > Nonsense. Even on a Mac you would need four dual head or 8 single headed > cards. Just the same as a PC. > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20090124/3fdb8aac/attachment.html From echotech1452 at gmail.com Mon Jan 26 09:18:09 2009 From: echotech1452 at gmail.com (delor lauchang) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:18:09 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] two operating systems on one PC In-Reply-To: <49044.69447.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <49044.69447.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: after installing your second hard drive that normally becomes the d: drive, you just have to format the drive and load whatever OS you want to use, then when you load the software, you have to choose drive D: as the destination drive. Double check if it will automatically use D:, ive done this to three of my CPU's running my flightsim. the shortcuts are still on your desktop, by double clicking your shortcuts, your software running on your XP will run. Hope this will help. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Justin Messenger wrote: > **Im thinking of placing a 2nd hard drive on my PC and installing XP on > it for running Falcon. > > I know people have more than on operating system on a PC and select which > to use when they boot though I had no idea how to do this? Can any of you > point me in the right direction? > > Currently my PC is configured to run FS9 and X with Vista, since it works > well I dont want to undo it. It takes forever to reconfigure the sim after > a clean operating system install. > > Justin > ** > * * > > ** > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fearing an error, he called the Instructor, Saying, "I don't want to appear ungrateful for such an outstanding result, but I wonder if there is an error in the grade." The instructor said, "During the exam, you took the engine apart perfectly, which was worth 50% of the total mark. You put the engine back together again perfectly, which is also worth 50% of the mark." After a pause, the instructor added, "I gave you an extra 50% because you did it all through the muffler, which I've never seen done in my entire career!" g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From frank at rezultat.dk Tue Jan 27 06:29:57 2009 From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:29:57 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] G's KIT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65AF6304EDA24120BC85D60A3AA3BD49@frankzepto> Hi G How is your KIT doing it - is it ready for sale ? regards Frank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20090127/c9a7da6b/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jan 27 07:09:40 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:09:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] G's KIT In-Reply-To: <65AF6304EDA24120BC85D60A3AA3BD49@frankzepto> References: <65AF6304EDA24120BC85D60A3AA3BD49@frankzepto> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Frank Riedel wrote: > Hi G > How is your KIT doing it - is it ready for sale ? > It's getting there Frank. The documentation process is what is holding things up. I've got one more part to skin and the instructions for the non-canopy version will be completed. It's at 71 pages right now. The documentation will be available as a free download for those that want to see what they're getting into. :) The plan set will be 5 36"x80" sheets. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From frank at rezultat.dk Tue Jan 27 07:14:33 2009 From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:14:33 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] G's KIT In-Reply-To: References: <65AF6304EDA24120BC85D60A3AA3BD49@frankzepto> Message-ID: Can you estimate a release date ?? And what about software - I'm looking into use a 3 screen setup - what sim to use then ?? Regards Frank -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af Gene Buckle Sendt: 27. januar 2009 16:10 Til: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List Emne: Re: [simpits-tech] G's KIT On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Frank Riedel wrote: > Hi G > How is your KIT doing it - is it ready for sale ? > It's getting there Frank. The documentation process is what is holding things up. I've got one more part to skin and the instructions for the non-canopy version will be completed. It's at 71 pages right now. The documentation will be available as a free download for those that want to see what they're getting into. :) The plan set will be 5 36"x80" sheets. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From frank at rezultat.dk Tue Jan 27 07:15:38 2009 From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:15:38 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] G's KIT In-Reply-To: References: <65AF6304EDA24120BC85D60A3AA3BD49@frankzepto> Message-ID: <17973DC814394C37AACE1DD524ADE914@frankzepto> G The plan is shipping as cutter files - ready for CNC - right ? /Frank -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af Gene Buckle Sendt: 27. januar 2009 16:10 Til: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List Emne: Re: [simpits-tech] G's KIT On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Frank Riedel wrote: > Hi G > How is your KIT doing it - is it ready for sale ? > It's getting there Frank. The documentation process is what is holding things up. I've got one more part to skin and the instructions for the non-canopy version will be completed. It's at 71 pages right now. The documentation will be available as a free download for those that want to see what they're getting into. :) The plan set will be 5 36"x80" sheets. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jan 27 08:03:21 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:03:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] G's KIT In-Reply-To: References: <65AF6304EDA24120BC85D60A3AA3BD49@frankzepto> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Frank Riedel wrote: > Can you estimate a release date ?? > No I can't. I was hoping to have it done by the first of the year and that date kind of whooshed by. :) > And what about software - I'm looking into use a 3 screen setup - what sim > to use then ?? I'd use a TripleHead2Go. Just about any modern sim can use it. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jan 27 08:03:55 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:03:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] G's KIT In-Reply-To: <17973DC814394C37AACE1DD524ADE914@frankzepto> References: <65AF6304EDA24120BC85D60A3AA3BD49@frankzepto> <17973DC814394C37AACE1DD524ADE914@frankzepto> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Frank Riedel wrote: > G > > The plan is shipping as cutter files - ready for CNC - right ? > Nope. Paper plans. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From frank at rezultat.dk Tue Jan 27 08:06:56 2009 From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:06:56 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] G's KIT In-Reply-To: References: <65AF6304EDA24120BC85D60A3AA3BD49@frankzepto><17973DC814394C37AACE1DD524ADE914@frankzepto> Message-ID: Arggg.... what about GERBER codes ?? /Frank -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af Gene Buckle Sendt: 27. januar 2009 17:04 Til: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List Emne: Re: [simpits-tech] G's KIT On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Frank Riedel wrote: > G > > The plan is shipping as cutter files - ready for CNC - right ? > Nope. Paper plans. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 27 08:19:13 2009 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:19:13 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] [OT] Joke... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6415089F565141E087DDD920CBF7BE50@flightsystems> No one else said anything so I will...that was a damn funny joke. I'm still laughing my ass off. Jay Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones. --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:12 AM To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] [OT] Joke... A gynecologist had become fed up with malpractice insurance and HMO paperwork, and was burned out. Hoping to try another career where skillful hands would be beneficial; he decided to become a mechanic. He went to the local technical college, signed up for evening classes, attended diligently, and learned all he could when the time of the practical exam approached, the gynecologist prepared carefully for weeks, and completed the exam with tremendous skill. When the results came back, he was surprised to find that he had obtained a score of 150%. Fearing an error, he called the Instructor, Saying, "I don't want to appear ungrateful for such an outstanding result, but I wonder if there is an error in the grade." The instructor said, "During the exam, you took the engine apart perfectly, which was worth 50% of the total mark. You put the engine back together again perfectly, which is also worth 50% of the mark." After a pause, the instructor added, "I gave you an extra 50% because you did it all through the muffler, which I've never seen done in my entire career!" g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jan 27 08:28:38 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:28:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] G's KIT In-Reply-To: References: <65AF6304EDA24120BC85D60A3AA3BD49@frankzepto><17973DC814394C37AACE1DD524ADE914@frankzepto> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Frank Riedel wrote: > Arggg.... what about GERBER codes ?? > No digital version _at all_. If I release the cad files or cut files for this, I can guarantee you that it'll show up as a BitTorrent somewhere. Maybe not you, but _someone_ will upload it. I'm already guaranteed to never break even on this project - I'd have to sell at least 500 plan sets and I'm not THAT delusional. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Tue Jan 27 14:55:54 2009 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:55:54 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] G's KIT Message-ID: <3b738d1c18774c63bce6d51b3eff69ac.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> >I'm already guaranteed to never break even on this >project - I'd have to sell at least 500 plan sets and I'm not THAT >delusional. Quintuple your price and you'd only have to sell 100.... ;) From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jan 27 15:14:54 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:14:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] G's KIT In-Reply-To: <3b738d1c18774c63bce6d51b3eff69ac.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <3b738d1c18774c63bce6d51b3eff69ac.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Brian Sikkema wrote: >> I'm already guaranteed to never break even on this >> project - I'd have to sell at least 500 plan sets and I'm not THAT >> delusional. > > Quintuple your price and you'd only have to sell 100.... ;) > ...and I _might_ sell one. Maybe. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Jan 28 06:27:33 2009 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:27:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] G's KIT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Gene Buckle wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Brian Sikkema wrote: > > >> I'm already guaranteed to never break even on this > >> project - I'd have to sell at least 500 plan sets and I'm not THAT > >> delusional. > > > > Quintuple your price and you'd only have to sell 100.... ;) > > > ...and I _might_ sell one. Maybe. :) If it floats - Airbus might be interested... -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jan 28 06:42:20 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:42:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] G's KIT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Roy Coates wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Gene Buckle wrote: > >> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Brian Sikkema wrote: >> >>>> I'm already guaranteed to never break even on this >>>> project - I'd have to sell at least 500 plan sets and I'm not THAT >>>> delusional. >>> >>> Quintuple your price and you'd only have to sell 100.... ;) >>> >> ...and I _might_ sell one. Maybe. :) > > > If it floats - Airbus might be interested... It'd be fine right up to the point where the paper starts to break down. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From adm.design at verizon.net Wed Jan 28 07:27:34 2009 From: adm.design at verizon.net (Alan D. Mazurka) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:27:34 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] G's KIT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0KE60064KTM12O30@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> At 09:27 AM 1/28/2009, you wrote: >If it floats - Airbus might be interested... reminds me of something a comedian once said (concerning emergency escape procedures): "that picture in the seatback of all those people standing on a floating plane.... a plane floats about as well as a boat flies" < insert rimshot > - adm - ---------- Alan D. Mazurka adm.design at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Send me your list and your requirements. I am also interested in Computer Servers and "Game" Machines PC's or Mac's. send list to catalina299 at gmail.com on the subject line say for sale. Be Specific in your descriptions of the items I will give you a yes or no answer Thank you Bill Most everyone might know Keith Davis I had dealing's with him on a Precision Flight control unit contact him . I am giving his name as a reference ask him how I was to deal with. Another member not related Rick Davis in Atlantic Canada ask him about me. I can furnish others if need be . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20090129/3c4567b0/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Jan 29 09:13:19 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:13:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] the pain - the horrid pain In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0901290903p1ae716a3y5a33b0834664464@mail.gmail.com> References: <39e5de8d0901290903p1ae716a3y5a33b0834664464@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Ido Dekkers wrote: > http://gizmodo.com/5052279/f+117-stealth-fighter-%252B-caterpillar-crusher--pile-of-sadness > > why oh why ???????? > The Dept. of Defense is like a spoiled child. If they can't play with a toy, they're going to make damn sure that nobody else can either. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Thu Jan 29 11:31:23 2009 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:31:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] the pain - the horrid pain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Gene Buckle wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Ido Dekkers wrote: > > > http://gizmodo.com/5052279/f+117-stealth-fighter-%252B-caterpillar-crusher--pile-of-sadness > > > > why oh why ???????? > > > The Dept. of Defense is like a spoiled child. If they can't play with a > toy, they're going to make damn sure that nobody else can either. They must be British. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Jan 29 10:57:07 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:57:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] the pain - the horrid pain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Roy Coates wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Gene Buckle wrote: > >> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Ido Dekkers wrote: >> >>> http://gizmodo.com/5052279/f+117-stealth-fighter-%252B-caterpillar-crusher--pile-of-sadness >>> >>> why oh why ???????? >>> >> The Dept. of Defense is like a spoiled child. If they can't play with a >> toy, they're going to make damn sure that nobody else can either. > > > They must be British. > Nah, if that were the case, they'd still be working on scrapping airframes from the early 1950's. It takes at least a year to fill out all the Health & Safety paperwork per airframe, they have to order a bright green safety vest for the fuselage. If a bird lands on it, they've got to fill out a wildlife impact statement on the removal of the new habitat. Add to that months of recurrency training every time the crane operator leaves the machine for longer than 24 hours at a time. If the paint on the crane gets scratched, they'll have to stop everything for at least 6 months while an environmental impact study is performed due to the release of dangerous chemicals into the environment. If any fluids from the airframe get spilled...well it's game over for at least a year. They tried hiring on a contractor to do the work. Unfortunately it was an American company. They turned it into a Monster Truck Rally Featuring Really Cool Airplane Crushing. After the H&S Secretary recovered from a nearly terminal case of the vapors, the project was cancelled. (much to the disappointment of the monster truck drivers) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Thu Jan 29 12:04:50 2009 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:04:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] the pain - the horrid pain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Gene Buckle wrote: > >> The Dept. of Defense is like a spoiled child. If they can't play with a > >> toy, they're going to make damn sure that nobody else can either. > > > > > > They must be British. > > > Nah, if that were the case, they'd still be working on scrapping airframes > from the early 1950's. It takes at least a year to fill out all the > Health & Safety paperwork per airframe, they have to order a bright green > safety vest for the fuselage. If a bird lands on it, they've got to fill > out a wildlife impact statement on the removal of the new habitat. > > Add to that months of recurrency training every time the crane operator > leaves the machine for longer than 24 hours at a time. If the paint on > the crane gets scratched, they'll have to stop everything for at least 6 > months while an environmental impact study is performed due to the release > of dangerous chemicals into the environment. > > If any fluids from the airframe get spilled...well it's game over for at > least a year. *sigh* he speaketh the truth.... -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Thu Jan 29 17:41:12 2009 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:41:12 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] the pain - the horrid pain Message-ID: <904acc7cca6d4a51ac4999b9426e516b.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> >The Dept. of Defense is like a spoiled child. If they can't play with a >toy, they're going to make damn sure that nobody else can either. To be fair, while the Nighthawk may be old, first-generation stealth, it's still a generation ahead of anything anyone else in the world has. I don't know if many people really grasp the full meaning of the fact that, while we've had it down pat for over 20 years, NOBODY else has fielded stealth aircraft. Nobody. That kind of technological edge in this day and age is amazing. After all, how long did we hold the edge on the atomic bomb? A few years? While the shape of the F-117 may be very old news, I'd imagine the Radar Absorbant Material (RAM) is still, while old, very much classified. And while it can of course be removed and painted with just regular paint (after all, Wright-Patt has both an F-117 and a B-2) it would certainly be WAY more expensive to de-mil, as it were, all these aircraft for display somewhere. And we're certainly not letting anyone else have this stuff. Besides the obvious security issues, most people don't realize that the RAM is nasty, NASTY toxic stuff. I'll spare the details but I've talked to guys with experience with it and it is BAD. So even without security considerations, there's no way they could send it to any Museum as is, and of course the toxicity makes it that much more expensive/hassle to deal with. And the Air Force isn't exactly swimming in money right now. Last figures I heard for our 2009 budget is we were 18 BILLION with a B underfunded. Sad as these pictures are, I think it's the only way this could have gone. Brian From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Jan 29 20:21:00 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:21:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] the pain - the horrid pain In-Reply-To: <904acc7cca6d4a51ac4999b9426e516b.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <904acc7cca6d4a51ac4999b9426e516b.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > Sad as these pictures are, I think it's the only way this could have gone. > In this crowd, that's called "Shilling for the man". :) There's no reason to drag facts into this Brian. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 29 21:02:17 2009 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:02:17 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] the pain - the horrid pain In-Reply-To: References: <904acc7cca6d4a51ac4999b9426e516b.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: <5C80D74DD15D4758B0C80A4E77F37688@flightsystems> I have to agree with g. on this one. Your post was lucid, well spoken and quite factual...which has no basis here in this opinion laden, crony laced biased form :-). I thought you were one of us...they have gotten to you Brian, we may not be able to save you any longer. Jay Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones. --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Helicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:21 PM To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] the pain - the horrid pain > Sad as these pictures are, I think it's the only way this could have gone. > In this crowd, that's called "Shilling for the man". :) There's no reason to drag facts into this Brian. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Fri Jan 30 02:38:57 2009 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:38:57 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] the pain - the horrid pain Message-ID: <19aebb9a35a14360a9e97dd47e064547.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> >I have to agree with g. on this one. Your post was lucid, well spoken and >quite factual...which has no basis here in this opinion laden, crony laced >biased form :-). Touche.... :D From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Fri Jan 30 02:49:54 2009 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:49:54 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Hey Gene - found a good resource for ya! Message-ID: <6edab199862944dbae259fa47220c095.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> I found out where you can get pretty much any missing pieces for your F-15 sim! http://www.sikkema.us/F15PartsStore.jpg A little building on base here. Haven't been in yet, so I don't know how the prices are, but it certainly seems like they should have what you need! ;) *ducks* Brian From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Jan 30 06:38:23 2009 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:38:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Hey Gene - found a good resource for ya! In-Reply-To: <6edab199862944dbae259fa47220c095.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <6edab199862944dbae259fa47220c095.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Brian Sikkema wrote: > I found out where you can get pretty much any missing > pieces for your F-15 sim! > > http://www.sikkema.us/F15PartsStore.jpg > *Evil Grin* > A little building on base here. Haven't been in yet, > so I don't know how the prices are, but it certainly > seems like they should have what you need! ;) > It would be worth the look on their faces to walk in there, ask for a HUD and then tell them WHY. *laughs* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From cyplesma at aol.com Fri Jan 30 11:17:21 2009 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:17:21 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Hey Gene - found a good resource for ya! In-Reply-To: References: <6edab199862944dbae259fa47220c095.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: <8CB512682BAD3BB-CCC-413@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Brian Sikkema wrote: > I found out where you can get pretty much any missing > pieces for your F-15 sim! > > http://www.sikkema.us/F15PartsStore.jpg > *Evil Grin* > A little building on base here. Haven't been in yet, > so I don't know how the prices are, but it certainly > seems like they should have what you need! ;) > It would be worth the look on their faces to walk in there, ask for a HUD and then tell them WHY. *laughs* g. I like the big easy access door with the incredibly secure gate. -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle To: Simulator Cockpit Builder's List Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 9:38 am Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Hey Gene - found a good resource for ya! On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Brian Sikkema wrote: > I found out where you can get pretty much any missing > pieces for your F-15 sim! > > http://www.sikkema.us/F15PartsStore.jpg > *Evil Grin* > A little building on base here. Haven't been in yet, > so I don't know how the prices are, but it certainly > seems like they should have what you need! ;) > It would be worth the look on their faces to walk in there, ask for a HUD and then tell them WHY. *laughs* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20090130/36f80ba3/attachment.html