From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Tue Sep 2 15:32:07 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:32:07 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Hey Justin! Message-ID: <4c287ba80cc14909bfd88adf43eef8df.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Are you coming to Vance October 4th? I saw something in the services newsletter about a blue angels and thunderbirds sim that is gonna be at the airshow, figured that might be you. Brian From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Fri Sep 5 12:42:39 2008 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Hey Justin! Message-ID: <446839.24053.qm@web52003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Brian, That would be us indeed! The weekend after that is the Ft. Worth show, then no more shows this year for me. ? Justin ? ?Brian Sikkema bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Tue Sep 2 15:32:07 PDT 2008 Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Are you coming to Vance October 4th? I saw something in the services newsletter about a blue angels and thunderbirds sim that is gonna be at the airshow, figured that might be you. Brian? ?The Airshow Legends Exhibit ??????? Featuring the Thunderbirds & Blue Angels ? ? ? ?????See the world's only Authentic Blue Angel?Flight Simulator here... ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080905/21d4f6a3/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Sep 10 09:38:27 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] interesting auction... Message-ID: 260285054641 Old T-33 IFR sim. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rhommel at mad.scientist.com Wed Sep 10 10:49:21 2008 From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com (Rob Hommel) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:49:21 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] interesting auction... Message-ID: <20080910174921.9642E11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> When I was about seven years old dad took me over to fly one of these at Kirkland AFB. I crashed it after a few minutes. I had no idea what I was supposed to be doing. The only instructions I was given was keep the wings level. rh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] interesting auction... Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:38:27 -0700 (PDT) 260285054641 Old T-33 IFR sim. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 15:58:22 2008 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] gaming computer... Message-ID: <527110.67200.qm@web52003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I purchased a nForce680i SLI mother board with a q6700 quad 2.66 ghz CPU and for gigs of SLI RAM to use with my 8800 Ultra video card that I already had. ? The result.. with FS9 it no longer lets me undock windows making the system useless with my simulator. The main view only works properly in fullscreen mode. Put it in a window mode and you can hear it flying but the visuals are?frozen. ?I do average 40 FPS with the slider all the way up on all the options flying around KLAX.. It looks outstanding but I need to undock extra views. FSX still gets horrible frame rates. very disappointing. this system should be smoking! ? when I installed all the patches for X it said my video card was not a new enough model and couldnt handle the shaders. X then closes. ? All of this with a clean install of of Vista Home 32 bit ? A puzzled Justin ?The Airshow Legends Exhibit ??????? Featuring the Thunderbirds & Blue Angels ? ? ? ?????See the world's only Authentic Blue Angel?Flight Simulator here... ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080911/13616f55/attachment.html From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 16:00:40 2008 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] another detail Message-ID: <258721.20330.qm@web52005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Vista gives me a score of 5.3 with everything?other than?the RAM and hard drive being a 5.9 ? Justin ?The Airshow Legends Exhibit ??????? Featuring the Thunderbirds & Blue Angels ? ? ? ?????See the world's only Authentic Blue Angel?Flight Simulator here... ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080911/0a960573/attachment.html From catalina299 at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 17:03:00 2008 From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:03:00 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] gaming computer... In-Reply-To: <527110.67200.qm@web52003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <527110.67200.qm@web52003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3a0a6c680809111703l6b1d8f7eldc6193832c5e902@mail.gmail.com> Bill Segal wrote That is a excellent reason why many of us switched to XP . I had an Opteron Workstation dual core dual processors dual 7800GTX 512meg It flew X-plane with every feature to the limit and still produced frame rates above 120 but in FS X with 16 gigs of ram it was a pile of bones . I am sorry and you spent all that money and it still wants more. In my opinion in order to fly FS X balls out your going to need dual 4 core Quads + 790I type motherboard and the only one out there is a Tyan $600. 4 each 280 1gig cards and 16 gigs or maybe $6000 of machine +1350 watt redundant power supply add it all up its like a giant workstation Regards William Segal 10th Year in X-plane On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Justin Messenger wrote: > I purchased a nForce680i SLI mother board with a q6700 quad 2.66 ghz CPU > and for gigs of SLI RAM to use with my 8800 Ultra video card that I already > had. > > The result.. with FS9 it no longer lets me undock windows making the system > useless with my simulator. The main view only works properly in fullscreen > mode. Put it in a window mode and you can hear it flying but the visuals > are frozen. I do average 40 FPS with the slider all the way up on all the > options flying around KLAX.. It looks outstanding but I need to undock extra > views. FSX still gets horrible frame rates. very disappointing. this system > should be smoking! > > when I installed all the patches for X it said my video card was not a new > enough model and couldnt handle the shaders. X then closes. > > All of this with a clean install of of Vista Home 32 bit > > A puzzled Justin > > The Airshow Legends Exhibit > *Featuring the Thunderbirds & Blue Angels* > ** > * * > ** > * See the world's only Authentic Blue Angel Flight Simulator here... > * > > ** > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080911/36e2c7bf/attachment-0001.html From echotech1452 at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 08:54:20 2008 From: echotech1452 at gmail.com (delor lauchang) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:54:20 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] gaming computer... In-Reply-To: <3a0a6c680809111703l6b1d8f7eldc6193832c5e902@mail.gmail.com> References: <527110.67200.qm@web52003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3a0a6c680809111703l6b1d8f7eldc6193832c5e902@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Bill is right, go back to XP, and check if your browser is in maximize mode, to undock you should not be in full screen. My set up is working great with the two 512 Radeon Pro two 32" Broksonic HDTV and two 22" Envision. On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:03 PM, William Segal wrote: > > Bill Segal wrote > > That is a excellent reason why many of us switched to XP . I had an Opteron > Workstation dual core dual processors dual 7800GTX 512meg > It flew X-plane with every feature to the limit and still produced frame > rates above 120 but in FS X with 16 gigs of ram it was a pile of bones . > I am sorry and you spent all that money and it still wants more. > > In my opinion in order to fly FS X balls out your going to need dual 4 core > Quads + 790I type motherboard and the only one out there is a Tyan > $600. 4 each 280 1gig cards and 16 gigs or maybe $6000 of machine +1350 > watt redundant power supply add it all up its like a giant workstation > > Regards > > William Segal > > 10th Year in X-plane > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Justin Messenger > wrote: > >> I purchased a nForce680i SLI mother board with a q6700 quad 2.66 ghz >> CPU and for gigs of SLI RAM to use with my 8800 Ultra video card that I >> already had. >> >> The result.. with FS9 it no longer lets me undock windows making the >> system useless with my simulator. The main view only works properly in >> fullscreen mode. Put it in a window mode and you can hear it flying but the >> visuals are frozen. I do average 40 FPS with the slider all the way up on >> all the options flying around KLAX.. It looks outstanding but I need to >> undock extra views. FSX still gets horrible frame rates. very disappointing. >> this system should be smoking! >> >> when I installed all the patches for X it said my video card was not a new >> enough model and couldnt handle the shaders. X then closes. >> >> All of this with a clean install of of Vista Home 32 bit >> >> A puzzled Justin >> >> The Airshow Legends Exhibit >> *Featuring the Thunderbirds & Blue Angels* >> ** >> * * >> ** >> * See the world's only Authentic Blue Angel Flight Simulator here... >> * >> >> ** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Simpits-tech mailing list >> Simpits-tech at simpits.org >> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >> To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >> page. Thanks! >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080912/9bee45b0/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Sep 12 09:04:57 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Cris Harrison added you as a business connection on Plaxo In-Reply-To: <5cb2a3fa5760fd5a9d7a8c580cc4da36@xpertmailer.com> References: <5cb2a3fa5760fd5a9d7a8c580cc4da36@xpertmailer.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Cris Harrison wrote: > > Hi Simulator, > > Cris Harrison wants to add you as a business connection on > Plaxo. > > To accept this connection request, go to: > http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/invite?i=42706169&k=34845655&l=en&src=email&et=1&est=business&etv=nnic1b2&el=en > > Thanks! > The Plaxo team > Over my dead body. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bass.pumped at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 09:12:32 2008 From: bass.pumped at gmail.com (bass pumped) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:12:32 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Cris Harrison added you as a business connection on Plaxo In-Reply-To: References: <5cb2a3fa5760fd5a9d7a8c580cc4da36@xpertmailer.com> Message-ID: lol On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Gene Buckle wrote: > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Cris Harrison wrote: > > > > > Hi Simulator, > > > > Cris Harrison wants to add you as a business connection on > > Plaxo. > > > > To accept this connection request, go to: > > > http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/invite?iB706169&k4845655&l=en&src=email&et=1&est=business&etv=nnic1b2&el=en > > > > Thanks! > > The Plaxo team > > > > Over my dead body. > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080912/58c64656/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Sep 12 09:18:07 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Cris Harrison added you as a business connection on Plaxo In-Reply-To: References: <5cb2a3fa5760fd5a9d7a8c580cc4da36@xpertmailer.com> Message-ID: > lol > As far as I'm concerned Plaxo is nothing more than an email address harvesting operation. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Fri Sep 12 08:50:14 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:50:14 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Cris Harrison added you as a business connection on Plaxo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > As far as I'm concerned Plaxo is nothing more than an email address > harvesting operation. > You should email them and tell them that :-) -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Sep 12 10:33:26 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Cris Harrison added you as a business connection on Plaxo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> >> As far as I'm concerned Plaxo is nothing more than an email address >> harvesting operation. >> > > You should email them and tell them that :-) > > > -- Now where did I put that trout.... g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 10:40:52 2008 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations? Message-ID: <905940.42524.qm@web52006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I went to update my software and I see the Beta Innovations website is down, is he out of business? ? Justin ?The Airshow Legends Exhibit ??????? Featuring the Thunderbirds & Blue Angels ? ? ? ?????See the world's only Authentic Blue Angel?Flight Simulator here... ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080913/34528a8d/attachment.html From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 13 11:34:59 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:34:59 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations? In-Reply-To: <905940.42524.qm@web52006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <905940.42524.qm@web52006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42367399CC314B69A98CCC7C0D2227F1@flightsystems> That's a good question. If you find out, let me know. In the meantime, email me what you need and I'll get you want you need. Jay Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones. --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Hellicopter _____ From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Justin Messenger Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:41 PM To: Simpits Tech Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations? I went to update my software and I see the Beta Innovations website is down, is he out of business? Justin The Airshow Legends Exhibit Featuring the Thunderbirds & Blue Angels See the world's only Authentic Blue Angel Flight Simulator here... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080913/5690c7fb/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Sat Sep 13 11:36:23 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations? In-Reply-To: <905940.42524.qm@web52006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <905940.42524.qm@web52006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I went to update my software and I see the Beta Innovations website is > down, is he out of business? ? Justin Most definately not. His web hosting company had a billing snafu on their end and instead of calling him, they deleted his whole website. He'll be back on the air soon. g. From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 13 11:59:52 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:59:52 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations? In-Reply-To: References: <905940.42524.qm@web52006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: OMG...I bet he was pissed. Well, good to hear he's still in the game. Jay Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones. --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Hellicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 1:36 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations? > I went to update my software and I see the Beta Innovations website is > down, is he out of business? Justin Most definately not. His web hosting company had a billing snafu on their end and instead of calling him, they deleted his whole website. He'll be back on the air soon. g. From geneb at deltasoft.com Sat Sep 13 12:07:16 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations? In-Reply-To: References: <905940.42524.qm@web52006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > OMG...I bet he was pissed. Well, good to hear he's still in the game. > "Pissed" doesn't quite cover it. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Sat Sep 13 17:49:00 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:49:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Sep 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > OMG...I bet he was pissed. Well, good to hear he's still in the game. > > > > "Pissed" doesn't quite cover it. :) > Christ - that's a bit heacy handed isn't it !? I think, under EU law, it would also be illegal. (duty of care blah blah) -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Sat Sep 13 20:34:51 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Sep 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Sat, 13 Sep 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >>> OMG...I bet he was pissed. Well, good to hear he's still in the game. >>> >> >> "Pissed" doesn't quite cover it. :) >> > > Christ - that's a bit heacy handed isn't it !? > > I think, under EU law, it would also be illegal. (duty of care blah blah) > Well unfortunately, he lives in Canada. The only backup they had was from July. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Sat Sep 13 22:18:44 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:18:44 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations? Message-ID: <443f590c23de48a2aef51ee80e56a807.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> The ONLY backup they had was from JULY!?!?!? That alone would have me shopping for a new hosting provider, let alone the billing situation. Gene, have him check out site5.com... They're who I use and I've been quite happy... I would drop that host like a week-old pile of flaming feces! Brian >------- Original Message ------- >From : Gene Buckle[mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com] >Sent : 9/13/2008 11:34:51 PM >To : simpits-tech at simpits.org >Cc : >Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations? > >On Sun, 14 Sep 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Sat, 13 Sep 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >>> OMG...I bet he was pissed. Well, good to hear he's still in the game. >>> >> >> "Pissed" doesn't quite cover it. :) >> > > Christ - that's a bit heacy handed isn't it !? > > I think, under EU law, it would also be illegal. (duty of care blah blah) > Well unfortunately, he lives in Canada. The only backup they had was from July. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Sat Sep 13 22:28:59 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:28:59 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Good lord what are they thinking?!?!? Message-ID: <6d33ab2e851c4c96a9ebc8828d401b59.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Well it's official, Wednesday my partner and I took (and passed) our sim checkride, this coming Friday they are actually gonna let my goofy ass fly a real tanker... The Air Force is going to hell in a handbasket, I tells ya... rofl Incidently I saw something very cool at work the other day. They had mounted on a wall in one of the buildings at Altus part of the old "visual board" from the old sims. Basically before the advent of computer graphics, they had a giant (I wanna say like 78'x30' or around there) scale diorama, basically, and a tv camera moved around it and projected the image on screens in front of the cockpit. The section they had mounted on the wall was about 6'x6', they said the whole board cost like 1.2 mil and was in service at Altus from 1975-1980. Pretty neat looking. Oh and they had a picture of it in use, and the edge of the board was lined with a mirror, which of course would extend the visual "range," but leads to an interesting question... what happens when you fly straight at the mirror? "Dive! Dive! We're headed straight for a giant tv camera!!!" lol. Oh, they also have a nicely restored Link trainer in the KC-135 sim building, complete with instructor station. *drool* Brian From geneb at deltasoft.com Sat Sep 13 23:07:01 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations? In-Reply-To: <443f590c23de48a2aef51ee80e56a807.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <443f590c23de48a2aef51ee80e56a807.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > > That alone would have me shopping for a new hosting provider, let alone > the billing situation. He's already taken care of it. He's taking the opportunity to improve the site. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Sun Sep 14 14:25:42 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:25:42 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Sep 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > Well unfortunately, he lives in Canada. The only backup they had was from > July. > Youch. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Sun Sep 14 14:26:24 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:26:24 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations? In-Reply-To: <443f590c23de48a2aef51ee80e56a807.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Sep 2008, Brian Sikkema wrote: > The ONLY backup they had was from JULY!?!?!? > > That alone would have me shopping for a new hosting provider, let alone the billing situation. > > Gene, have him check out site5.com... They're who I use and I've been quite happy... I would drop that host like a week-old pile > of flaming feces! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Sun Sep 14 14:27:26 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:27:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Good lord what are they thinking?!?!? In-Reply-To: <6d33ab2e851c4c96a9ebc8828d401b59.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Sep 2008, Brian Sikkema wrote: > Well it's official, Wednesday my partner and I took (and passed) our sim checkride, this coming Friday they are actually gonna > let my goofy ass fly a real tanker... > > The Air Force is going to hell in a handbasket, I tells ya... rofl > Hey.. congrats dude !! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From adm.design at verizon.net Tue Sep 16 07:28:14 2008 From: adm.design at verizon.net (Alan D. Mazurka) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:28:14 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Good lord what are they thinking?!?!? In-Reply-To: <6d33ab2e851c4c96a9ebc8828d401b59.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <6d33ab2e851c4c96a9ebc8828d401b59.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: <0K7A008LDLJ5JUMA@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> At 01:28 AM 9/14/2008, you wrote: >Incidently I saw something very cool at work the other day. They had >mounted on a wall in one of the buildings at Altus part of >the old "visual board" from the old sims. Basically before the >advent of computer graphics, they had a giant (I wanna say like >78'x30' or around there) scale diorama, basically, and a tv camera >moved around it and projected the image on screens in front of >the cockpit. were there little scale dinosaurs appropriately roaming around the scenery? - adm - ---------- Alan D. Mazurka adm.design at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080916/2b91a488/attachment.html From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Tue Sep 16 09:12:02 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:12:02 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Good lord what are they thinking?!?!? Message-ID: <2656760bb9c44dc2b8fa6afc9c1bfabd.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> >were there little scale dinosaurs appropriately roaming around the >scenery? Hmmm.... Gee I didn't think to look... *runs back to check* rofl. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Sep 16 09:21:06 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Good lord what are they thinking?!?!? In-Reply-To: <2656760bb9c44dc2b8fa6afc9c1bfabd.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <2656760bb9c44dc2b8fa6afc9c1bfabd.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: >> were there little scale dinosaurs appropriately > roaming around the >> scenery? > > Hmmm.... Gee I didn't think to look... *runs back to > check* rofl. > If not, you need to add one or two just to see if anyone notices. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue Sep 16 08:42:54 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:42:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Gene's F15 Sim Finally Finished ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: gene... is it true ?? http://wv838.com/gene.jpg -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Sep 16 09:50:59 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Gene's F15 Sim Finally Finished ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Sep 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > > > gene... is it true ?? > > http://wv838.com/gene.jpg > You realize of course that you have no place to hide, right? >:) ...and the damn nose shape is all wrong. Amateurs. Jeeze. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue Sep 16 09:00:32 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:00:32 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Gene's F15 Sim Finally Finished ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Sep 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > gene... is it true ?? > > > > http://wv838.com/gene.jpg > > > > You realize of course that you have no place to hide, right? >:) > > ...and the damn nose shape is all wrong. Amateurs. Jeeze. > I'm so sorry (not!) I just couldn't help myself ! I think the soldering fumes have finally gotten to me... -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Sep 16 10:28:40 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Gene's F15 Sim Finally Finished ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>> gene... is it true ?? >>> >>> http://wv838.com/gene.jpg >>> >> >> You realize of course that you have no place to hide, right? >:) >> >> ...and the damn nose shape is all wrong. Amateurs. Jeeze. >> > > > I'm so sorry (not!) I just couldn't help myself ! > > > I think the soldering fumes have finally gotten to me... Don't forget, you need to use acid core when working on PCBs...(Roy only, everyone else needs to use Rosin Core :P) *grin* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 12:05:37 2008 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 61, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <415333.85545.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Congratulations Brian, that is a great accomplishment! ? Justin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080916/d842297d/attachment.html From ks4au at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 16 13:14:55 2008 From: ks4au at bellsouth.net (Jim Beauchamp) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:14:55 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] (no subject) Message-ID: <091620082014.27740.48D013BF0006865900006C5C22230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9A0ECB9C05@att.net> I was a supervisor on the C-141 flight simulator at McGuire AFB in New Jersey during the end of the "Model Board" visual system at Altus AFB. We flew out to Altus for a three week training course on the Novaview computer generated Night Only visual system that replaced the Model board. While I was there, I was told, by the guys that were involved, a wildly cool story. This ain't no excrement. Altus, being in Oklahoma, has quite hot weather during the summer months, and has tarantulas all over the place. At the time, the shop operated 6 or 8 simulators, a mix of C-141 and C-5 simulators, that were there at the time. One of the guys there told me this story, and gave it as a first hand account, his being there at the time. One of the guys in the shop caught a tarantula, brought it inside in a dixie cup, and pinned it to the model board, just off the edge of the runway. During the flight training mission, the pilots had been above 10K feet in the flight levels, for about 1 1/2 half hours, so the model board was not being used. Now, let me explain how the model board worked. The whole model was hung on a wall (parallel to that wall) rather than being flat. There was a huge bank of lights about ten feet away, with a very high color temperature. The camera probe was some what strange looking, as the camera normally pointed straight at the board, and a mirror was used to point the camera with the orientation of the aircraft. The camera had several, very hot lights, I am not sure what kind, halogen I think, anyway they were VERY HOT. So, what happened with the spider is this: The pilots had just made the radio call establishing an "in flight emergency". During training, this was a very common situation that the pilots were put through, as they are being trained on how to continue to fly the aircraft with various malfunctions. For example, if an engine is out, you need to be carrying a lot more velocity on approach, in case you are waved off or have to make a go around. The controller (an enlisted guy) responded that there was an obstruction on the runway, and instructed the crew to continue the approach, but to be ready to abort their approach at a moments notice. Now, that is something that is fairly bad to have to do from an in flight emergency (They may have had an engine out or something like that). The spider, mean while, had been stuck on the board just off of the approach end of the runway, so the pilots would be landing on the runway next to this spider. Now, something else you must understand about this model board. It used a scale of 500:1. With that scale, a spider that is 3.5 inches across, including the legs and all, appears to be one hundred and forty five feet across. Also, there is something you must keep in mind. When flying an Air Force flight simulator, the experience is real enough that, after an hour or so, you tend to forget that you are in a simulator, and begin thinking that you are in the real aircraft. Those simulators really were that high of a fidelity. So, here come our pilots. The radio call from approach control was made that the "obstruction" had been cleared, and that they had clearance to land. Now, in a model board visual system, there is something called a fog box. It was frosted glass that encircled the camera probe. As they began breaking through the "clouds" (the fog box) the runway began to come into sight and here was this hundred and fifty foot spider sitting on the side of the runway. The spider did not appreciate those hot lights on the camera probe as they approached him, so he started pawing at the probe. To the pilots, this looked as if some hairy giant spider was attacking their aircraft. The enlisted guys had the audio set so that everyone could hear the intercom communications emanating from the cockpit. The entire simulator shop (and this was a HUGE simulator shop) was standing, watching the monitor of the pilots external view, and hearing every word said in the cockpit. The student pilots, forgetting that they were in a simulator (Yes, they were that realistic, and after flying for a couple of hours, one tended to forget that it was just a simulator) began saying things that I dare not post on this forum. Needless to say, it began with the phrase "What the *(^& is that?". They started very frantic conversation that it was not safe to land there, followed by the yelling "No #U(&ing way am I going to land there." The intensity grew, and the instructor pilots began ordering his students to "Land this aircraft NOW". It all became quite frantic with voices raised. They continued the approach, but as soon as their wheels were down, and I mean AS SOON AS THEY HAD WEIGHT ON WHEELS, that is, without any rollout what so ever, they immediately made a 45 degree turn towards the hangers, cutting across the grass and heading straight for the hanger. Forgetting the soft ground, forgetting the runway lights, all they wanted was to get away from that monster. (I must add, the instructor pilot was in on the game, as the guys got his permission before they did anything like that.) The only thing about it (and as we said in the military, "This tale ain't no S*!7"); I wish I had been there when it happened. Jim Beauchamp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080916/324cf4da/attachment.html From ks4au at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 16 13:21:08 2008 From: ks4au at bellsouth.net (Jim Beauchamp) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:21:08 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] Altus Flight Simulator's Model Board system Message-ID: <091620082021.21388.48D01533000EDC050000538C22230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9A0ECB9C05@att.net> I was a supervisor on the C-141 flight simulator at McGuire AFB in New Jersey during the end of the "Model Board" visual system at Altus AFB. Another airman and I flew out to Altus for a three week training course on the Novaview computer generated visual system that replaced the Model board. While I was there, I was told, by the guys that were involved, a wildly cool story. This ain't no excrement. Altus, being in Oklahoma, has quite hot weather during the summer months, and has tarantulas all over the place. At the time, the shop operated 6 or 8 simulators, a mix of C-141 and C-5 simulators, that were there at the time. One of the guys there told me this story, and gave it as a first hand account, his being there at the time. One of the guys in the shop caught a tarantula, brought it inside in a dixie cup, and pinned it to the model board, just off the edge of the runway. During the flight training mission, the pilots had been above 10K feet in the flight levels, for about 1 1/2 half hours, so the model board was not being used. Now, let me explain how the model board worked. The whole model was hung on a wall (parallel to that wall) rather than being flat. There was a huge bank of lights about ten feet away, with a very high color temperature. The camera probe was some what strange looking, as the camera normally pointed straight at the board, and a mirror was used to point the camera with the orientation of the aircraft. The camera had several, very hot lights, I am not sure what kind, halogen I think, anyway they were VERY HOT. So, what happened with the spider is this: The pilots had just made the radio call establishing an "in flight emergency". During training, this was a very common situation that the pilots were put through, as they are being trained on how to continue to fly the aircraft with various malfunctions. For example, if an engine is out, you need to be carrying a lot more velocity on approach, in case you are waved off or have to make a go around. The controller (an enlisted guy) responded that there was an obstruction on the runway, and instructed the crew to continue the approach, but to be ready to abort their approach at a moments notice. Now, that is something that is fairly bad to have to do from an in flight emergency (They may have had an engine out or something like that). The spider, mean while, had been stuck on the board just off of the approach end of the runway, so the pilots would be landing on the runway next to this spider. Now, something else you must understand about this model board. It used a scale of 500:1. With that scale, a spider that is 3.5 inches across, including the legs and all, appears to be one hundred and forty five feet across. Also, there is something you must keep in mind. When flying an Air Force flight simulator, the experience is real enough that, after an hour or so, you tend to forget that you are in a simulator, and begin thinking that you are in the real aircraft. Those simulators really were that high of a fidelity. So, here come our pilots. The radio call from approach control was made that the "obstruction" had been cleared, and that they had clearance to land. Now, in a model board visual system, there is something called a fog box. It was frosted glass that encircled the camera probe. As they began breaking through the "clouds" (the fog box) the runway began to come into sight and here was this hundred and fifty foot spider sitting on the side of the runway. The spider did not appreciate those hot lights on the camera probe as they approached him, so he started pawing at the probe. To the pilots, this looked as if some hairy giant spider was attacking their aircraft. The enlisted guys had the audio set so that everyone could hear the intercom communications emanating from the cockpit. The entire simulator shop (and this was a HUGE simulator shop) was standing, watching the monitor of the pilots external view, and hearing every word said in the cockpit. The student pilots, forgetting that they were in a simulator (Yes, they were that realistic, and after flying for a couple of hours, one tended to forget that it was just a simulator) began saying things that I dare not post on this forum. Needless to say, it began with the phrase "What the *(^& is that?". They started very frantic conversation that it was not safe to land there, followed by the yelling "No #U(&ing way am I going to land there." The intensity grew, and the instructor pilots began ordering his students to "Land this aircraft NOW". It all became quite frantic with voices raised. They continued the approach, but as soon as their wheels were down, and I mean AS SOON AS THEY HAD WEIGHT ON WHEELS, that is, without any rollout what so ever, they immediately made a 45 degree turn towards the hangers, cutting across the grass and heading straight for the hanger. Forgetting the soft ground, forgetting the runway lights, all they wanted was to get away from that monster. (I must add, the instructor pilot was in on the game, as the guys got his permission before they did anything like that.) The only thing about it (and as we said in the military, "This tale ain't no S*!7"); I wish I had been there when it happened. Jim Beauchamp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080916/7973ad2d/attachment-0001.html From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 18:29:35 2008 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Flight Simulator's Model Board system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <531575.218.qm@web52008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> As?a kid I got to fly some C-130 sims with visuals like that. I remeber them being much better than the night system that you described ??? The Airshow Legends Exhibit ??????? ? Featuring the Thunderbirds & Blue Angels Coming soon to the Kansas Museum of Military History ? ? ? ? ? --- On Tue, 9/16/08, simpits-tech-request at simpits.org wrote: From: simpits-tech-request at simpits.org Subject: Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 61, Issue 5 To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 3:21 PM Send Simpits-tech mailing list submissions to simpits-tech at simpits.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to simpits-tech-request at simpits.org You can reach the person managing the list at simpits-tech-owner at simpits.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Simpits-tech digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Gene's F15 Sim Finally Finished ?? (Gene Buckle) 2. Re: Gene's F15 Sim Finally Finished ?? (Roy Coates) 3. Re: Gene's F15 Sim Finally Finished ?? (Gene Buckle) 4. Re: Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 61, Issue 4 (Justin Messenger) 5. (no subject) (Jim Beauchamp) 6. Altus Flight Simulator's Model Board system (Jim Beauchamp) On Tue, 16 Sep 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > > > gene... is it true ?? > > http://wv838.com/gene.jpg > You realize of course that you have no place to hide, right? >:) ...and the damn nose shape is all wrong. Amateurs. Jeeze. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. On Tue, 16 Sep 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > gene... is it true ?? > > > > http://wv838.com/gene.jpg > > > > You realize of course that you have no place to hide, right? >:) > > ...and the damn nose shape is all wrong. Amateurs. Jeeze. > I'm so sorry (not!) I just couldn't help myself ! I think the soldering fumes have finally gotten to me... -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> gene... is it true ?? >>> >>> http://wv838.com/gene.jpg >>> >> >> You realize of course that you have no place to hide, right? >:) >> >> ...and the damn nose shape is all wrong. Amateurs. Jeeze. >> > > > I'm so sorry (not!) I just couldn't help myself ! > > > I think the soldering fumes have finally gotten to me... Don't forget, you need to use acid core when working on PCBs...(Roy only, everyone else needs to use Rosin Core :P) *grin* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. Congratulations Brian, that is a great accomplishment! ? Justin I was a supervisor on the C-141 flight simulator at McGuire AFB in New Jersey during the?end of the "Model Board" visual system at Altus AFB.? We flew out to Altus for a three week training course on the Novaview computer generated?Night Only visual system that replaced the Model board.? While I was there, I was told, by the guys that were involved, a wildly cool story.? This ain't no excrement. ? Altus , being in Oklahoma , has quite hot weather during the summer months, and has tarantulas all over the place.? At the time, the shop operated 6 or 8 simulators, a?mix of C-141 and C-5 simulators,?that were there at the time.? One of the guys there told me this story, and gave it as a first hand account, his being there at the time.? One of the guys in the shop?caught a tarantula,?brought it inside in a dixie cup,?and pinned it to the model board, just off the edge of the runway.? During the flight training mission, the pilots had been above 10K feet in the flight levels, for about 1 1/2 half hours,?so the model board was not being used.? ? Now, let me explain how the model board worked.? The whole model was hung on a wall (parallel to that wall) rather than being flat.? There was a huge bank of lights about ten feet away, with a very high color temperature.? The camera probe was some what strange looking, as the camera normally pointed straight at the board, and a mirror was used to point the camera with the orientation of the aircraft.? The camera had several, very hot lights, I am not sure what kind, halogen I think, anyway they were VERY HOT. ? So, what happened with the spider is this: ? The pilots had just made the radio call establishing an "in flight emergency".? During training, this was a very common situation that the pilots were put through, as they are being trained on how to continue to fly the aircraft with various malfunctions.? For example, if an engine is out, you need to be carrying a lot more?velocity on approach, in case you are waved off or have to make a go around.? The controller (an enlisted guy) responded that there was an obstruction on the runway,?and instructed?the crew to continue the approach, but to be ready to abort their approach at a moments notice.? Now, that is something that is fairly bad to have to do from an in flight emergency (They may have had an engine out or something like that).? The spider, mean while, had been stuck on the board just off of the approach end of the runway, so the pilots would be landing on the runway next to this spider.? ? Now, something else you must understand about this model board.? It used a scale of 500:1.? With that scale, a spider that is 3.5 inches across, including the legs and all, appears to be one hundred and forty five feet across.? ? Also, there is something?you must?keep in mind.? When flying an Air Force flight simulator, the experience is real enough that, after an hour or so, you tend to forget that you are in a simulator, and begin thinking that you are in the real aircraft.? Those simulators really were that high of a fidelity. ? So, here?come our pilots.? The radio call from approach control was made that the "obstruction" had been cleared, and that they had clearance to land.? Now, in a model board visual system, there is something called a fog box.? It was frosted glass that encircled the camera probe.? As they began breaking through the "clouds" (the fog box) the runway began to?come into sight and? here was this hundred and fifty foot spider sitting on the side of the runway.? The spider did not appreciate those hot lights on the camera probe as they approached him, so he started pawing at the probe.? To the pilots, this looked as if?some hairy giant?spider was attacking their aircraft. ? The enlisted guys had the audio?set?so that?everyone could hear the intercom communications emanating from the cockpit.? The entire simulator shop (and this was a?HUGE simulator shop) was standing, watching the monitor of the pilots external view, and hearing every word said in the cockpit.? The student pilots, forgetting that they were in a simulator (Yes, they were that realistic, and after flying for a couple of hours, one tended to forget that it was just a simulator) began saying things that I dare not post on this forum.? Needless to say, it began with the phrase "What the *(^& is that?".? They started very?frantic?conversation that it was not safe to land there, followed by the yelling "No #U(&ing way am I going to land there."? The intensity grew, and the instructor pilots began ordering his students to "Land this aircraft NOW".? It all became quite frantic with voices raised.? They?continued the approach, but as soon as their wheels were down, and I mean AS SOON AS THEY?HAD?WEIGHT?ON WHEELS, that is, without any rollout what so ever, they immediately made a 45 degree turn towards the hangers, cutting across the grass and heading straight for the hanger.? Forgetting the soft ground, forgetting the runway lights, all they wanted was to get away from that monster. ? (I must add, the instructor pilot was in on the game, as the guys got his?permission before they did anything like that.) ? The only thing about it (and as we said in the military, "This tale ain't no S*!7");? I wish I had been there when it happened. ? Jim Beauchamp ? I was a supervisor on the C-141 flight simulator at McGuire AFB in New Jersey during the?end of the "Model Board" visual system at Altus AFB.??Another airman and I?flew out to Altus for a three week training course on the Novaview computer generated?visual system that replaced the Model board.? While I was there, I was told, by the guys that were involved, a wildly cool story.? This ain't no excrement. ? Altus , being in Oklahoma , has quite hot weather during the summer months, and has tarantulas all over the place.? At the time, the shop operated 6 or 8 simulators, a?mix of C-141 and C-5 simulators,?that were there at the time.? One of the guys there told me this story, and gave it as a first hand account, his being there at the time.? One of the guys in the shop?caught a tarantula,?brought it inside in a dixie cup,?and pinned it to the model board, just off the edge of the runway.? During the flight training mission, the pilots had been above 10K feet in the flight levels, for about 1 1/2 half hours,?so the model board was not being used.? ? Now, let me explain how the model board worked.? The whole model was hung on a wall (parallel to that wall) rather than being flat.? There was a huge bank of lights about ten feet away, with a very high color temperature.? The camera probe was some what strange looking, as the camera normally pointed straight at the board, and a mirror was used to point the camera with the orientation of the aircraft.? The camera had several, very hot lights, I am not sure what kind, halogen I think, anyway they were VERY HOT. ? So, what happened with the spider is this: ? The pilots had just made the radio call establishing an "in flight emergency".? During training, this was a very common situation that the pilots were put through, as they are being trained on how to continue to fly the aircraft with various malfunctions.? For example, if an engine is out, you need to be carrying a lot more?velocity on approach, in case you are waved off or have to make a go around.? The controller (an enlisted guy) responded that there was an obstruction on the runway,?and instructed?the crew to continue the approach, but to be ready to abort their approach at a moments notice.? Now, that is something that is fairly bad to have to do from an in flight emergency (They may have had an engine out or something like that).? The spider, mean while, had been stuck on the board just off of the approach end of the runway, so the pilots would be landing on the runway next to this spider.? ? Now, something else you must understand about this model board.? It used a scale of 500:1.? With that scale, a spider that is 3.5 inches across, including the legs and all, appears to be one hundred and forty five feet across.? ? Also, there is something?you must?keep in mind.? When flying an Air Force flight simulator, the experience is real enough that, after an hour or so, you tend to forget that you are in a simulator, and begin thinking that you are in the real aircraft.? Those simulators really were that high of a fidelity. ? So, here?come our pilots.? The radio call from approach control was made that the "obstruction" had been cleared, and that they had clearance to land.? Now, in a model board visual system, there is something called a fog box.? It was frosted glass that encircled the camera probe.? As they began breaking through the "clouds" (the fog box) the runway began to?come into sight and? here was this hundred and fifty foot spider sitting on the side of the runway.? The spider did not appreciate those hot lights on the camera probe as they approached him, so he started pawing at the probe.? To the pilots, this looked as if?some hairy giant?spider was attacking their aircraft. ? The enlisted guys had the audio?set?so that?everyone could hear the intercom communications emanating from the cockpit.? The entire simulator shop (and this was a?HUGE simulator shop) was standing, watching the monitor of the pilots external view, and hearing every word said in the cockpit.? The student pilots, forgetting that they were in a simulator (Yes, they were that realistic, and after flying for a couple of hours, one tended to forget that it was just a simulator) began saying things that I dare not post on this forum.? Needless to say, it began with the phrase "What the *(^& is that?".? They started very?frantic?conversation that it was not safe to land there, followed by the yelling "No #U(&ing way am I going to land there."? The intensity grew, and the instructor pilots began ordering his students to "Land this aircraft NOW".? It all became quite frantic with voices raised.? They?continued the approach, but as soon as their wheels were down, and I mean AS SOON AS THEY?HAD?WEIGHT?ON WHEELS, that is, without any rollout what so ever, they immediately made a 45 degree turn towards the hangers, cutting across the grass and heading straight for the hanger.? Forgetting the soft ground, forgetting the runway lights, all they wanted was to get away from that monster. ? (I must add, the instructor pilot was in on the game, as the guys got his?permission before they did anything like that.) ? The only thing about it (and as we said in the military, "This tale ain't no S*!7");? I wish I had been there when it happened. ? Jim Beauchamp ?_______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080918/dcbcba47/attachment.html From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Mon Sep 29 14:16:28 2008 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (sean.g at paradise.net.nz) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:16:28 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Thirdwire Sims? Message-ID: <1222722988.48e145ac4b17f@www.paradise.net.nz> I have been thinking about making my Skyhawk sim work with a combat sim, as well as MSFS, and Strike Fighters/Wings over Vietnam would be the logical choice given that they have A-4's in them :) The question is though: Is there any way of talking to Thirdwire sims, other than normal keyboard/joystick interfaces? Is there any way of getting any data back out of the sim? This is all as an aside to my primary focus of running MSFS, so it doesn't really matter how much would be functional :) SeanG From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Sep 29 14:23:02 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Thirdwire Sims? In-Reply-To: <1222722988.48e145ac4b17f@www.paradise.net.nz> References: <1222722988.48e145ac4b17f@www.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: > The question is though: Is there any way of talking to Thirdwire sims, other > than normal keyboard/joystick interfaces? Is there any way of getting any > data back out of the sim? > That's a good question. ThirdWire makes some good stuff. Unfortunately, you may have to contact them. Alternately, you can try posting a question on the SimHQ forum that ThirdWire uses... g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Mon Sep 29 22:47:05 2008 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:47:05 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Thirdwire Sims? In-Reply-To: References: <1222722988.48e145ac4b17f@www.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <0K7Z00HQEUTYX110@smtp5.clear.net.nz> >That's a good question. ThirdWire makes some good stuff. Unfortunately, >you may have to contact them. Alternately, you can try posting a question >on the SimHQ forum that ThirdWire uses... I might just do that... I really do like their sims, I got hooked with the first release of Strike Fighters, and then WOV was a big step up from there! But then, I am a real fan of the 60's era aircraft and weapons, F-4's A-4's A-6's A-7's.. what more could you ask for? ;-) SeanG