From geneb at deltasoft.com Sat Oct 4 18:13:09 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... Message-ID: ...has closed permanently. There will be no more hardware from them. Now that this has happened, I would like to look at other hardware platforms to support within Cockpit Interface Master. What hardware output devices are you guys using on your projects? Is the PHCC line still actively developed? tnx all! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Sat Oct 4 18:21:19 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:21:19 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... References: Message-ID: <001c01c92688$abf18630$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> hmmmm... That really eff'ing sucks Gene. I am inclined to buy everything Leo has left. There was some nice gear there. :( Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:13 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... > ...has closed permanently. There will be no more hardware from them. > > > Now that this has happened, I would like to look at other hardware > platforms to support within Cockpit Interface Master. > > What hardware output devices are you guys using on your projects? > > Is the PHCC line still actively developed? > > tnx all! > > g. > > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 4 18:28:33 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:28:33 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <816DA63B035D4F8DA6BBF393AD2F6ACD@flightsystems> The PHCC had been idle until about the time this happened. It is now in full swing from the looks of the activity on viperpit.org. Jay Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones. --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Hellicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 8:13 PM To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... ...has closed permanently. There will be no more hardware from them. Now that this has happened, I would like to look at other hardware platforms to support within Cockpit Interface Master. What hardware output devices are you guys using on your projects? Is the PHCC line still actively developed? tnx all! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Sat Oct 4 22:24:56 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: <001c01c92688$abf18630$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <001c01c92688$abf18630$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: > That really eff'ing sucks Gene. > Yeah, tell me about it. > I am inclined to buy everything Leo has left. There was some nice gear > there. > > :( > > Rick He doesn't have much left. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Sat Oct 4 22:26:31 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: <816DA63B035D4F8DA6BBF393AD2F6ACD@flightsystems> References: <816DA63B035D4F8DA6BBF393AD2F6ACD@flightsystems> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, Joseph Fagner wrote: > The PHCC had been idle until about the time this happened. It is now in > full swing from the looks of the activity on viperpit.org. > Ahh, ok. Thanks for the info. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From idekkers at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 22:30:03 2008 From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 07:30:03 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: <816DA63B035D4F8DA6BBF393AD2F6ACD@flightsystems> References: <816DA63B035D4F8DA6BBF393AD2F6ACD@flightsystems> Message-ID: <39e5de8d0810042230o478f1318t30787222990a9372@mail.gmail.com> well the PHCC was alive all the time that's the good thing about open source. both ghost and eyal have been developing software to control the PHCC through windows. though both made for Falcon 4 and it's variants, i know at least eyal has kept the interface open so you can add support for any sim. and now that ghost is adding the firmware for the stepper / aircore board, iirc all output types accept synchro are available, and that could be added to if you are good with electronics. the only drawback is you have to make and solder the board yourself. but that at least saves money Ido On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 3:28 AM, Joseph Fagner wrote: > The PHCC had been idle until about the time this happened. It is now in > full swing from the looks of the activity on viperpit.org. > > Jay > > Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will > show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones. > --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Hellicopter > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 8:13 PM > To: simpits-tech at simpits.org > Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... > > ...has closed permanently. There will be no more hardware from them. > > > Now that this has happened, I would like to look at other hardware > platforms to support within Cockpit Interface Master. > > What hardware output devices are you guys using on your projects? > > Is the PHCC line still actively developed? > > tnx all! > > g. > > > -- > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0810042230o478f1318t30787222990a9372@mail.gmail.com> References: <816DA63B035D4F8DA6BBF393AD2F6ACD@flightsystems> <39e5de8d0810042230o478f1318t30787222990a9372@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Ido Dekkers wrote: > well the PHCC was alive all the time that's the good thing about open > source. > both ghost and eyal have been developing software to control the PHCC > through windows. > though both made for Falcon 4 and it's variants, i know at least eyal has > kept the interface open so you can add support for any sim. > > and now that ghost is adding the firmware for the stepper / aircore board, > iirc all output types accept synchro are available, and that could be added > to if you are good with electronics. > > the only drawback is you have to make and solder the board yourself. but > that at least saves money > > Ido > I've actually got some of the PHCC boards that I got from Manuel(sp?) years ago. I've got a Rev 4 motherboard, a KEY64D_PH, a AnOut1, a DOA_Servo and a DOB_16x_BC635. Just the bare boards though. I'm kind of grinding my teeth right now because I've got a pile of money sunk into the BI hardware so I can't walk away from it totally. What I can do is add support for the PHCC hardware to CIM and release it as freeware. CIM right now supports FlightGear v1.0+ MSFS (basically all versions), X-Plane and IL2. It probably wouldn't be difficult to add Falcon support. The question I have, is there any interest in me doing this? g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From idekkers at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 23:40:48 2008 From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:40:48 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: References: <816DA63B035D4F8DA6BBF393AD2F6ACD@flightsystems> <39e5de8d0810042230o478f1318t30787222990a9372@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39e5de8d0810042340u4c1c1914id19959b905363167@mail.gmail.com> i think your best bet is asking that on other forums, starting with the PHCC forum : http://forum.varxec.net/ and on other sim forums ? On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Gene Buckle wrote: > On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Ido Dekkers wrote: > > > well the PHCC was alive all the time that's the good thing about open > > source. > > both ghost and eyal have been developing software to control the PHCC > > through windows. > > though both made for Falcon 4 and it's variants, i know at least eyal has > > kept the interface open so you can add support for any sim. > > > > and now that ghost is adding the firmware for the stepper / aircore > board, > > iirc all output types accept synchro are available, and that could be > added > > to if you are good with electronics. > > > > the only drawback is you have to make and solder the board yourself. but > > that at least saves money > > > > Ido > > > > I've actually got some of the PHCC boards that I got from Manuel(sp?) > years ago. I've got a Rev 4 motherboard, a KEY64D_PH, a AnOut1, a > DOA_Servo and a DOB_16x_BC635. Just the bare boards though. > > I'm kind of grinding my teeth right now because I've got a pile of money > sunk into the BI hardware so I can't walk away from it totally. > > What I can do is add support for the PHCC hardware to CIM and release it > as freeware. CIM right now supports FlightGear v1.0+ MSFS (basically all > versions), X-Plane and IL2. It probably wouldn't be difficult to add > Falcon support. > > The question I have, is there any interest in me doing this? > > g. > > > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20081004/db3de148/attachment-0001.html From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Sun Oct 5 05:17:35 2008 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 05:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Brian saves the day! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <118981.39811.qm@web52010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> AS we drove to Vance I get a call at 5 saying we cannot set up on base after 5. Never had that happen before...? So we have to set up the next morning right before the show opens. The nest morning I am setting up the sim racing the clock when I get a call from my help saying the gate wont let him on base until they open to the general public for the show. Then I realize I had forgot to give him the vehicle pass needed to get on base! Brian took my car and the pass and went to that gate and got it worked out. ? You saved my butt Brian! I ahd no time to set up the and also leave to get them on base. So a huge thank you to Brian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ? I also discovered he has been keeping a huge secret from his wife, she had no ide that he was planning to build a simulator big enough for people to actually sit in... leave it to me to spill the beans!! Sorry bud! :) ? Justin ? ? ??? The Airshow Legends Exhibit ??????? ? Featuring the Thunderbirds & Blue Angels Coming soon to the Kansas Museum of Military History ? ? ? ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20081005/974659f1/attachment.html From jmiguez at bellsouth.net Sun Oct 5 06:21:30 2008 From: jmiguez at bellsouth.net (John Miguez) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 08:21:30 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: <001c01c92688$abf18630$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <001c01c92688$abf18630$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <48E8BF5A.6060104@bellsouth.net> A couple years ago, when Leo quit supporting FSX, at his recommendation, I moved over to Open Cockpits cards. They took some getting used to because of not speaking Spanish. However SIOC is very powerful and can do just about anything. The cards are good and work well. MyCockpits.org has a forum for Open cockpits and SIOC which is in English. John Rick Davis wrote: >
hmmmm... > > That really eff'ing sucks Gene. > > I am inclined to buy everything Leo has left. There was some nice gear > there. > > :( > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:13 PM > Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... > > >> ...has closed permanently. There will be no more hardware from them. >> > From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Sun Oct 5 07:34:37 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:34:37 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Brian saves the day! Message-ID: <3aa3a96bc7fa4e5987414b724cbbf0ab.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Heh heh no worries, man! I extracted my payment through some time in the Blue Angels sim. ;) As for my wife, I swear she's just forgetful... lol! I know I've told her about the sim before! Granted I don't talk about it all that much lately since I haven't even had time to work on the Orbiter half, let alone designs for the physical sim, but oh well... Anyways, great time was had by all yet again. :D Glad I could help. Brian ------- Original Message ------- >From : Justin Messenger[mailto:jjmessenger at yahoo.com] Sent : 10/5/2008 8:17:35 AM To : simpits-tech at simpits.org Cc : Subject : RE: [simpits-tech] Brian saves the day! AS we drove to Vance I get a call at 5 saying we cannot set up on base after 5. Never had that happen before... So we have to set up the next morning right before the show opens. The nest morning I am setting up the sim racing the clock when I get a call from my help saying the gate wont let him on base until they open to the general public for the show. Then I realize I had forgot to give him the vehicle pass needed to get on base! Brian took my car and the pass and went to that gate and got it worked out. You saved my butt Brian! I ahd no time to set up the and also leave to get them on base. So a huge thank you to Brian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I also discovered he has been keeping a huge secret from his wife, she had no ide that he was planning to build a simulator big enough for people to actually sit in... leave it to me to spill the beans!! Sorry bud! :) Justin The Airshow Legends Exhibit Featuring the Thunderbirds & Blue Angels Coming soon to the Kansas Museum of Military History From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 5 07:51:50 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:51:50 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: References: <816DA63B035D4F8DA6BBF393AD2F6ACD@flightsystems><39e5de8d0810042230o478f1318t30787222990a9372@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hell yes. Gene, I'm in the same boat as you, got a ton of money sunk into the BI stuff. Have just about everything flight sim related he made. I play on using it but I need a backup system in case this goes down or if any new features get added that would preclude me being able to use the BI stuff. Jay Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones. --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Hellicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 1:09 AM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Ido Dekkers wrote: > well the PHCC was alive all the time that's the good thing about open > source. > both ghost and eyal have been developing software to control the PHCC > through windows. > though both made for Falcon 4 and it's variants, i know at least eyal has > kept the interface open so you can add support for any sim. > > and now that ghost is adding the firmware for the stepper / aircore board, > iirc all output types accept synchro are available, and that could be added > to if you are good with electronics. > > the only drawback is you have to make and solder the board yourself. but > that at least saves money > > Ido > I've actually got some of the PHCC boards that I got from Manuel(sp?) years ago. I've got a Rev 4 motherboard, a KEY64D_PH, a AnOut1, a DOA_Servo and a DOB_16x_BC635. Just the bare boards though. I'm kind of grinding my teeth right now because I've got a pile of money sunk into the BI hardware so I can't walk away from it totally. What I can do is add support for the PHCC hardware to CIM and release it as freeware. CIM right now supports FlightGear v1.0+ MSFS (basically all versions), X-Plane and IL2. It probably wouldn't be difficult to add Falcon support. The question I have, is there any interest in me doing this? g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Oct 5 08:40:44 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0810042340u4c1c1914id19959b905363167@mail.gmail.com> References: <816DA63B035D4F8DA6BBF393AD2F6ACD@flightsystems> <39e5de8d0810042230o478f1318t30787222990a9372@mail.gmail.com> <39e5de8d0810042340u4c1c1914id19959b905363167@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Ido Dekkers wrote: > i think your best bet is asking that on other forums, > starting with the PHCC forum : http://forum.varxec.net/ > and on other sim forums ? > Thanks for the tip Ido. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Oct 5 08:47:56 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Brian saves the day! In-Reply-To: <118981.39811.qm@web52010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <118981.39811.qm@web52010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I also discovered he has been keeping a huge secret from his wife, she > had no ide that he was planning to build a simulator big enough for > people to actually sit in... leave it to me to spill the beans!! Sorry > bud! :) Oh to be a fly on the wall for THAT conversation. *grins* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Oct 5 08:48:30 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: <48E8BF5A.6060104@bellsouth.net> References: <001c01c92688$abf18630$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <48E8BF5A.6060104@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: > A couple years ago, when Leo quit supporting FSX, at his recommendation, > I moved over to Open Cockpits cards. They took some getting used to > because of not speaking Spanish. However SIOC is very powerful and can > do just about anything. The cards are good and work well. > MyCockpits.org has a forum for Open cockpits and SIOC which is in English. > I'll take a peek at those, thanks John. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Oct 5 08:50:30 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: References: <816DA63B035D4F8DA6BBF393AD2F6ACD@flightsystems><39e5de8d0810042230o478f1318t30787222990a9372@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Joseph Fagner wrote: > Hell yes. Gene, I'm in the same boat as you, got a ton of money sunk into > the BI stuff. Have just about everything flight sim related he made. I > play on using it but I need a backup system in case this goes down or if any > new features get added that would preclude me being able to use the BI > stuff. > I've got to get my PHCC boards built and then I'll go from there. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From allendc at qwest.net Sun Oct 5 09:07:48 2008 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 10:07:48 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081005160753.536E153BE5D@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> Well in order to finish the project I need at least one more Plasma-Lite & Nitro (8 DAC Output 0-5vdc) So if anyone wants to sell a Plasma-Lite & Nitro I am interested in purchasing. David www.737FlightSim.com From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 5 09:09:28 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:09:28 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: References: <001c01c92688$abf18630$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><48E8BF5A.6060104@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: If you are short on time g., send them to me...I'll build them for you. Jay Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones. --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Hellicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 10:49 AM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... > A couple years ago, when Leo quit supporting FSX, at his recommendation, > I moved over to Open Cockpits cards. They took some getting used to > because of not speaking Spanish. However SIOC is very powerful and can > do just about anything. The cards are good and work well. > MyCockpits.org has a forum for Open cockpits and SIOC which is in English. > I'll take a peek at those, thanks John. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Oct 5 09:15:47 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: References: <001c01c92688$abf18630$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><48E8BF5A.6060104@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Joseph Fagner wrote: > If you are short on time g., send them to me...I'll build them for you. > > Jay > Thanks for the offer Jay, but it's not time I need - it's all the parts to stuff the boards. :) I've got a PIC I got from Manuel a long time ago when I got the original boards, so I'm set for that part. I just need to get the parts ordered. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 5 21:27:57 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 23:27:57 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: References: <001c01c92688$abf18630$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><48E8BF5A.6060104@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Give me a shout when you are ready. I have all the parts in a project list on Mousers site. Jay Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones. --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Hellicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:16 AM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Joseph Fagner wrote: > If you are short on time g., send them to me...I'll build them for you. > > Jay > Thanks for the offer Jay, but it's not time I need - it's all the parts to stuff the boards. :) I've got a PIC I got from Manuel a long time ago when I got the original boards, so I'm set for that part. I just need to get the parts ordered. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon Oct 6 03:38:33 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:38:33 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > ...has closed permanently. There will be no more hardware from them. > Argh! wtf ? > What hardware output devices are you guys using on your projects? Hagstrom and FlightdeckTechnologies stuff. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From frank at rezultat.dk Mon Oct 6 05:54:06 2008 From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:54:06 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5CC612858144454FA9CFD470E733AB5C@frankzepto> Good old EPIC ;o) But where to get the AirCore Instruments now ?? Frank -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af Roy Coates Sendt: 6. oktober 2008 12:39 Til: Simulator Cockpit tech list Emne: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > ...has closed permanently. There will be no more hardware from them. > Argh! wtf ? > What hardware output devices are you guys using on your projects? Hagstrom and FlightdeckTechnologies stuff. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From idekkers at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 05:58:21 2008 From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:58:21 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: <5CC612858144454FA9CFD470E733AB5C@frankzepto> References: <5CC612858144454FA9CFD470E733AB5C@frankzepto> Message-ID: <39e5de8d0810060558x297c3445i5179e46f4e3c3ef5@mail.gmail.com> PHCC gives you everything for a fraction of the price if you are not afraid of soldering. and now iirc you can also get at least some of the boards pre made. Ido On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Frank Riedel wrote: > Good old EPIC ;o) > > But where to get the AirCore Instruments now ?? > > Frank > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af Roy Coates > Sendt: 6. oktober 2008 12:39 > Til: Simulator Cockpit tech list > Emne: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... > > On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > ...has closed permanently. There will be no more hardware from them. > > > > Argh! wtf ? > > > > > What hardware output devices are you guys using on your projects? > > Hagstrom and FlightdeckTechnologies stuff. > > > -- > > Roy Coates. > Dept of Engineering. > Liverpool University. > E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk > Tel: 0151 794 4862 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs > meter. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. > Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20081006/5f8b05f0/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Oct 6 07:08:33 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >> ...has closed permanently. There will be no more hardware from them. >> > > Argh! wtf ? > Yeah, pretty much was my reaction although there were some significant four letter observations involved. Shit happens, life goes on. I'm going to be adding support for Manuel's PHCC hardware. It's a pretty good GPL'd design (end to end, from the boards on). It uses a serial interface that doesn't require an SDK like the Beta Innovations hardware did. I may even take a hard look at the Phidgets stuff again if money permits. The CIM project is just too promising of an interface platform for me to let it die on the vine. I was working on the docs for the beta release when Leo pulled the plug on his business. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Oct 6 07:09:42 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: <5CC612858144454FA9CFD470E733AB5C@frankzepto> References: <5CC612858144454FA9CFD470E733AB5C@frankzepto> Message-ID: > Good old EPIC ;o) > > But where to get the AirCore Instruments now ?? > Contact leo at betainnovations.com - he's got something like 500 of the air-core motors themselves left. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon Oct 6 06:51:50 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:51:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > Argh! wtf ? > > > Yeah, pretty much was my reaction although there were some significant > four letter observations involved. Do we know why ? > I'm going to be adding support for Manuel's PHCC hardware. It's a pretty > good GPL'd design (end to end, from the boards on). It uses a serial > interface that doesn't require an SDK like the Beta Innovations hardware > did. I may even take a hard look at the Phidgets stuff again if money > permits. Phidgets seems to have gone the wrong direction for simpits imho. I used a few of their toys in the Jetstream sim and all is still working fine. The 7-segment LED display was a corker. A complete radio freq or tpndr display in one teeny little USB driven board - lovely. > The CIM project is just too promising of an interface platform for me to > let it die on the vine. I was working on the docs for the beta release > when Leo pulled the plug on his business. Yup, it's a sweet project. The FDT boards might be making a change to direct DLL access which could ramp up their popularity too. The current suite is fine if you're running MSFS but is a right pain in the arse for anything else. Roy. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Oct 6 08:02:36 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >>> Argh! wtf ? >>> >> Yeah, pretty much was my reaction although there were some significant >> four letter observations involved. > > Do we know why ? > I have no specifics. I've got suspicions, but I won't air them in public. > > Phidgets seems to have gone the wrong direction for simpits imho. I used a > few of their toys in the Jetstream sim and all is still working fine. The > 7-segment LED display was a corker. A complete radio freq or tpndr display > in one teeny little USB driven board - lovely. > I haven't looked at the Phidgets hardware in years... > > >> The CIM project is just too promising of an interface platform for me to >> let it die on the vine. I was working on the docs for the beta release >> when Leo pulled the plug on his business. > > Yup, it's a sweet project. The FDT boards might be making a change to > direct DLL access which could ramp up their popularity too. The current > suite is fine if you're running MSFS but is a right pain in the arse for > anything else. > FDT? Is Peter building his own stuff now? g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon Oct 6 07:36:42 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:36:42 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > I haven't looked at the Phidgets hardware in years... Oh. Ah. Go Look. > FDT? Is Peter building his own stuff now? Nada - this place: http://shop.flightdecktechnology.com/ -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Oct 6 08:40:37 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> I haven't looked at the Phidgets hardware in years... > > Oh. Ah. Go Look. > > > >> FDT? Is Peter building his own stuff now? > > Nada - this place: http://shop.flightdecktechnology.com/ > Hrm. Looks interesting. I think that the PHCC stuff is still ahead on the cost front. I can't judge the tech until I've got one built though. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon Oct 6 07:55:37 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:55:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > Nada - this place: http://shop.flightdecktechnology.com/ > > > > Hrm. Looks interesting. I think that the PHCC stuff is still ahead on > the cost front. I can't judge the tech until I've got one built though. Please do let us know - I've looked at PHCC a few times. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Oct 6 09:02:43 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >>> Nada - this place: http://shop.flightdecktechnology.com/ >>> >> >> Hrm. Looks interesting. I think that the PHCC stuff is still ahead on >> the cost front. I can't judge the tech until I've got one built though. > > > Please do let us know - I've looked at PHCC a few times. > Certainly. I've got the boards themselves, but no parts. As soon as I get the Mouser BOM link from Jay, I'll get the parts ordered. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 6 11:31:55 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:31:55 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F9B9A84522349C68E0392391E01AFDC@flightsystems> Is there a way for me to send you that from mouser or is it pretty much a screen cap and mail that you? I couldn't find a forwarding link. Jay Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones. --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Hellicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:03 AM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >>> Nada - this place: http://shop.flightdecktechnology.com/ >>> >> >> Hrm. Looks interesting. I think that the PHCC stuff is still ahead on >> the cost front. I can't judge the tech until I've got one built though. > > > Please do let us know - I've looked at PHCC a few times. > Certainly. I've got the boards themselves, but no parts. As soon as I get the Mouser BOM link from Jay, I'll get the parts ordered. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From idekkers at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 11:46:34 2008 From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:46:34 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: <0F9B9A84522349C68E0392391E01AFDC@flightsystems> References: <0F9B9A84522349C68E0392391E01AFDC@flightsystems> Message-ID: <39e5de8d0810061146m722bfad5u1f5d2031452ae90@mail.gmail.com> you can find the BOM both on the PHCC site in a text file, and here : http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic at 41.0 Ido On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Joseph Fagner wrote: > Is there a way for me to send you that from mouser or is it pretty much a > screen cap and mail that you? I couldn't find a forwarding link. > > Jay > > Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will > show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones. > --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Hellicopter > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:03 AM > To: Simulator Cockpit tech list > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... > > On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > > > On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > >>> Nada - this place: http://shop.flightdecktechnology.com/ > >>> > >> > >> Hrm. Looks interesting. I think that the PHCC stuff is still ahead on > >> the cost front. I can't judge the tech until I've got one built though. > > > > > > Please do let us know - I've looked at PHCC a few times. > > > > Certainly. I've got the boards themselves, but no parts. As soon as I > get the Mouser BOM link from Jay, I'll get the parts ordered. > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. > Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20081006/e30ddf65/attachment-0001.html From cyplesma at aol.com Mon Oct 6 11:56:46 2008 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:56:46 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0810061146m722bfad5u1f5d2031452ae90@mail.gmail.com> References: <0F9B9A84522349C68E0392391E01AFDC@flightsystems> <39e5de8d0810061146m722bfad5u1f5d2031452ae90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CAF5FC6A62CAB2-110C-1708@Webmail-mg15.sim.aol.com> It's been 1.5 years since I have used the mouser project bom page. Then it was strictly for a user you would have to give up your password to allow others to use it. Don't know if it's changed don't have the time atm to investigate. I'd recommend just doing a screen print or copy and paste it into a document (word/open office) or text file as you have. 8 ) -----Original Message----- From: Ido Dekkers To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 2:46 pm Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... you can find the BOM both on the PHCC site in a text file, and here : http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=4041.0 Ido On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Joseph Fagner wrote: Is there a way for me to send you that from mouser or is it pretty much a screen cap and mail that you? ?I couldn't find a forwarding link. Jay Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones. --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Hellicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:03 AM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >>> Nada - this place: http://shop.flightdecktechnology.com/ >>> >> >> Hrm. ?Looks interesting. ?I think that the PHCC stuff is still ahead on >> the cost front. ?I can't judge the tech until I've got one built though. > > > Please do let us know - I've looked at PHCC a few times. > Certainly. ?I've got the boards themselves, but no parts. ?As soon as I get the Mouser BOM link from Jay, I'll get the parts ordered. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. ?Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20081006/689ebaca/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Oct 6 11:59:22 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: <0F9B9A84522349C68E0392391E01AFDC@flightsystems> References: <0F9B9A84522349C68E0392391E01AFDC@flightsystems> Message-ID: > Is there a way for me to send you that from mouser or is it pretty much a > screen cap and mail that you? I couldn't find a forwarding link. > Is it tied to your Mouser account? g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Oct 6 12:01:29 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0810061146m722bfad5u1f5d2031452ae90@mail.gmail.com> References: <0F9B9A84522349C68E0392391E01AFDC@flightsystems> <39e5de8d0810061146m722bfad5u1f5d2031452ae90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > you can find the BOM both on the PHCC site in a text file, and here : > http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=4041.0 > The forum entries don't have the motherboard entry which is the one I need - I know the main site has the list for the motherboard, but I'm trying to save myself some time. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From idekkers at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 12:07:16 2008 From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:07:16 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: References: <0F9B9A84522349C68E0392391E01AFDC@flightsystems> <39e5de8d0810061146m722bfad5u1f5d2031452ae90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39e5de8d0810061207k8dea874g335c726d9c23d055@mail.gmail.com> actually it does, this is the direct link: http://www.mediafire.com/?mzy3z11bbza Ido On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Gene Buckle wrote: > > you can find the BOM both on the PHCC site in a text file, and here : > > http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic at 41.0 > > > The forum entries don't have the motherboard entry which is the one I need > - I know the main site has the list for the motherboard, but I'm trying to > save myself some time. > > g. > > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20081006/0a32387f/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Oct 6 12:12:26 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0810061207k8dea874g335c726d9c23d055@mail.gmail.com> References: <0F9B9A84522349C68E0392391E01AFDC@flightsystems> <39e5de8d0810061146m722bfad5u1f5d2031452ae90@mail.gmail.com> <39e5de8d0810061207k8dea874g335c726d9c23d055@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > actually it does, > this is the direct link: > http://www.mediafire.com/?mzy3z11bbza > It does _now_. It didn't when I looked last time. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From idekkers at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 12:14:17 2008 From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:14:17 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: References: <0F9B9A84522349C68E0392391E01AFDC@flightsystems> <39e5de8d0810061146m722bfad5u1f5d2031452ae90@mail.gmail.com> <39e5de8d0810061207k8dea874g335c726d9c23d055@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39e5de8d0810061214k7377ab54yf393c880d503e3a0@mail.gmail.com> they added it later On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Gene Buckle wrote: > > actually it does, > > this is the direct link: > > http://www.mediafire.com/?mzy3z11bbza > > > > It does _now_. It didn't when I looked last time. :) > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20081006/4f3dcdeb/attachment-0001.html From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 6 15:04:02 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:04:02 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... Message-ID: <20081006220410.8C6943280E9@ns2.simpits.org> Yeah Jay -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 1:59 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... > Is there a way for me to send you that from mouser or is it pretty much a > screen cap and mail that you? I couldn't find a forwarding link. > Is it tied to your Mouser account? g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Oct 6 15:58:25 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Beta Innovations... In-Reply-To: <20081006220410.8C6943280E9@ns2.simpits.org> References: <20081006220410.8C6943280E9@ns2.simpits.org> Message-ID: > Yeah > > Jay > Don't worry about it - I got the parts ordered from Mouser & Jameco today. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From dhansenp51 at att.net Tue Oct 7 09:55:54 2008 From: dhansenp51 at att.net (dhansenp51 at att.net) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:55:54 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] Newbie Needs Help Message-ID: <100720081655.7490.48EB949A00065E9B00001D4222230647629B0A02D29B9B0EBFCECA9F020A9C020E080B@att.net> I'm new to this web ring and am wondering if I can get some help. After 20 years of dreaming, I've finally committed to taking the plunge. I plan on building an F-18E cockpit that will initially be static, but will eventually be motion-based (with full 360 degree rotation in both roll and pitch). I got my hands on the F-18 NOTAS, so I have scale drawings of the instrument and side panels. What I currently need are other basic dimensions, such as the width of the tub between the side panels, height of canopy rails vs. floor, height of the flight stick, etc. If anyone can provide basic cockpit dimensional data, or point me in the right direction, it would be much appreciated. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20081007/9789e705/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Oct 7 10:10:14 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Newbie Needs Help In-Reply-To: <100720081655.7490.48EB949A00065E9B00001D4222230647629B0A02D29B9B0EBFCECA9F020A9C020E080B@att.net> References: <100720081655.7490.48EB949A00065E9B00001D4222230647629B0A02D29B9B0EBFCECA9F020A9C020E080B@att.net> Message-ID: > I'm new to this web ring and am wondering if I can get some help. After > 20 years of dreaming, I've finally committed to taking the plunge. I > plan on building an F-18E cockpit that will initially be static, but > will eventually be motion-based (with full 360 degree rotation in both > roll and pitch). > > I got my hands on the F-18 NOTAS, so I have scale drawings of the > instrument and side panels. What I currently need are other basic > dimensions, such as the width of the tub between the side panels, height > of canopy rails vs. floor, height of the flight stick, etc. > > If anyone can provide basic cockpit dimensional data, or point me in the > right direction, it would be much appreciated. > If memory serves, there's a gent on this list that works with commercial F/A-18 flight simulators and he may be able to provide the dimensions you're after. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 05:22:17 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:22:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] 7-Segent LED Displays Message-ID: So with Beta biting the big one - what are the choices left now for a multi 7-segment display (for radio freq's, tpndr etc etc) Anyone got any good links? Cheers, Roy. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Oct 8 06:53:15 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] 7-Segent LED Displays In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > So with Beta biting the big one - what are the choices left now for a > multi 7-segment display (for radio freq's, tpndr etc etc) > > Anyone got any good links? > Roy for right now it looks like PHCC is a pretty firm contender. Check out http://phcc.varxec.net. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 06:35:49 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:35:49 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] 7-Segent LED Displays In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > So with Beta biting the big one - what are the choices left now for a > > multi 7-segment display (for radio freq's, tpndr etc etc) > > > > Roy for right now it looks like PHCC is a pretty firm contender. Check > out http://phcc.varxec.net. Thanks gene - aware of PHCC. For the next project I'll be using some beta RS232 driven 7-seg displays I got from Hagstrom a few years ago. After that, I don't know. I miss Chester's uber cool phidget display :-( -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Oct 8 07:57:33 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] 7-Segent LED Displays In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >>> So with Beta biting the big one - what are the choices left now for a >>> multi 7-segment display (for radio freq's, tpndr etc etc) >>> >> >> Roy for right now it looks like PHCC is a pretty firm contender. Check >> out http://phcc.varxec.net. > > > Thanks gene - aware of PHCC. For the next project I'll be using some > beta RS232 driven 7-seg displays I got from Hagstrom a few years ago. > After that, I don't know. I miss Chester's uber cool phidget display :-( > Ok. The PHCC stuff is pretty mature. Once I get my initial setup built and I've had some time to work with it, I'll have a much better handle on what it can do for "us". You have to admit though, you can't beat the price. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 07:05:33 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:05:33 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] 7-Segent LED Displays In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > Ok. The PHCC stuff is pretty mature. Once I get my initial setup built > and I've had some time to work with it, I'll have a much better handle on > what it can do for "us". You have to admit though, you can't beat the > price. :) You got that right!! Please do let us know how the build goes. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Oct 8 08:09:15 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] 7-Segent LED Displays In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >> >> Ok. The PHCC stuff is pretty mature. Once I get my initial setup built >> and I've had some time to work with it, I'll have a much better handle on >> what it can do for "us". You have to admit though, you can't beat the >> price. :) > > You got that right!! > > Please do let us know how the build goes. > The parts were shipped from Mouser & Jameco yesterday, so I should have the stuff by Saturday. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 07:18:23 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:18:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] 7-Segent LED Displays In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > The parts were shipped from Mouser & Jameco yesterday, so I should have > the stuff by Saturday. > Goodo - so a full report by saturday evening then? -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Oct 8 08:26:49 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] 7-Segent LED Displays In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >>> >> The parts were shipped from Mouser & Jameco yesterday, so I should have >> the stuff by Saturday. >> > > > Goodo - so a full report by saturday evening then? > Highly unlikely. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From allendc at qwest.net Wed Oct 8 08:32:53 2008 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:32:53 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] 7-Segent LED Displays In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081008153259.BE5EB1A9F12@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> At 06:53 AM 10/8/2008 -0700, you wrote: > > So with Beta biting the big one - what are the choices left now for a > > multi 7-segment display (for radio freq's, tpndr etc etc) > > > > Anyone got any good links? > > What about GoFlight? Remote Mount Kit 166 - Board Only $64.95 "This board allows for solderless connection to remotely mount the 166's displays, switches and LED's and has all the functionality of the popular GF-166." David www.737FlightSim.com From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 07:48:45 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:48:45 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Opinions Needed - 7-Segment LED Display. Message-ID: Folks, A few years back, those clever chaps at Hagstrom designed the LED5 board which is an RS232 daisy-chainable device with 5 7-segment displays on it. they kindly sent me a few prototypes to play with and imho they rocked. These units never went into full-scale production because the feedback from beta-testers gave a list of so many differing requirements that they felt they could not support everyone's needs. I've chatted with Hagstrom today and they are happy to revisit the LED5 and are asking for YOUR input on what the device should offer. So please please please let me know what you'd like from the LED5 and with a little luck we'll see these in production. Some pics and info for the original prototype are here: http://www.flightlab.liv.ac.uk/~roy/stuff/LED5/ Cheers, Roy. PS: The final prototypes were dimmable under software control too. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 08:16:53 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:16:53 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] 7-Segent LED Displays In-Reply-To: <20081008153259.BE5EB1A9F12@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, David C. Allen wrote: > What about GoFlight? > > Remote Mount Kit 166 - Board Only $64.95 > > "This board allows for solderless connection to remotely mount the > 166's displays, switches and LED's and has all the functionality of > the popular GF-166." That's only a board to mount the displays - there's no driver on there. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Oct 8 09:16:20 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Opinions Needed - 7-Segment LED Display. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > > Some pics and info for the original prototype are here: > http://www.flightlab.liv.ac.uk/~roy/stuff/LED5/ > Roy, are the 7 segment displays in sockets or are they hard-wired to the board? g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 08:26:10 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:26:10 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Opinions Needed - 7-Segment LED Display. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > > > > Some pics and info for the original prototype are here: > > http://www.flightlab.liv.ac.uk/~roy/stuff/LED5/ > > > Roy, are the 7 segment displays in sockets or are they hard-wired to the > board? iirc they are socketed. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From allendc at qwest.net Wed Oct 8 09:23:01 2008 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:23:01 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] 7-Segent LED Displays In-Reply-To: References: <20081008153259.BE5EB1A9F12@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <20081008162304.EE4B522E391@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> At 04:16 PM 10/8/2008 +0100, you wrote: >On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, David C. Allen wrote: > > > What about GoFlight? > > > > Remote Mount Kit 166 - Board Only $64.95 > > > > "This board allows for solderless connection to remotely mount the > > 166's displays, switches and LED's and has all the functionality of > > the popular GF-166." > > >That's only a board to mount the displays - there's no driver on there. http://www.goflightinc.com/order/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=63&osCsid=h2s4krp4fo0e11u3qv3avthdk6 http://www.goflightinc.com/appnotes6digit.pdf >-- > >Roy Coates. >Dept of Engineering. >Liverpool University. >E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk >Tel: 0151 794 4862 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature database 3504 (20081008) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 08:45:52 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:45:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] 7-Segent LED Displays In-Reply-To: <20081008162304.EE4B522E391@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, David C. Allen wrote: > > > >That's only a board to mount the displays - there's no driver on there. > > http://www.goflightinc.com/order/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=63&osCsid=h2s4krp4fo0e11u3qv3avthdk6 > > http://www.goflightinc.com/appnotes6digit.pdf > I stand corrected! Thanks for the link, David. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Oct 8 09:53:15 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Opinions Needed - 7-Segment LED Display. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >> On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: >>> >>> Some pics and info for the original prototype are here: >>> http://www.flightlab.liv.ac.uk/~roy/stuff/LED5/ >>> >> Roy, are the 7 segment displays in sockets or are they hard-wired to the >> board? > > > iirc they are socketed. > Ahh, ok. That would make it fairly easy to remote the displays from the board if needed. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Oct 8 10:01:35 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Opinions Needed - 7-Segment LED Display. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: >> On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: >>>> >>>> Some pics and info for the original prototype are here: >>>> http://www.flightlab.liv.ac.uk/~roy/stuff/LED5/ >>>> After going over the docs, it looks like a really nice solution for a 5 digit display. I don't see why people kept fiddling with the device requirements. It's a display fer chrissakes. If it does THAT job well, why fiddle with it? :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 09:05:16 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:05:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Opinions Needed - 7-Segment LED Display. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > iirc they are socketed. > > > Ahh, ok. That would make it fairly easy to remote the displays from the > board if needed. ok. Request 1: Displays to be socketed. Next !! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 09:06:41 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:06:41 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Opinions Needed - 7-Segment LED Display. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > After going over the docs, it looks like a really nice solution for a 5 > digit display. I don't see why people kept fiddling with the device > requirements. It's a display fer chrissakes. If it does THAT job well, > why fiddle with it? :) > Yeah, I thought it was a very sweet unit. I'm using 5 of them in my next project (a portable EC135 cockpit). The nice thing about them daisy-chaining is that I don't have a shedload of wires running back to a PC, nor am I plagued with another USB hub. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Oct 8 10:05:42 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Opinions Needed - 7-Segment LED Display. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>> iirc they are socketed. >>> >> Ahh, ok. That would make it fairly easy to remote the displays from the >> board if needed. > > > ok. > > Request 1: Displays to be socketed. > _or_ bring out the 7 segment signals out to a header... Wow, yeah I can understand why they gave up... :) Sockets would be perfectly acceptable assuming the a..g segments were common and the the anodes(?) were separated. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Oct 8 10:07:33 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Opinions Needed - 7-Segment LED Display. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >> >> After going over the docs, it looks like a really nice solution for a 5 >> digit display. I don't see why people kept fiddling with the device >> requirements. It's a display fer chrissakes. If it does THAT job well, >> why fiddle with it? :) >> > > > Yeah, I thought it was a very sweet unit. I'm using 5 of them in my next > project (a portable EC135 cockpit). > > The nice thing about them daisy-chaining is that I don't have a shedload > of wires running back to a PC, nor am I plagued with another USB hub. > What are the dimensions of the circuit board? If they're small enough, remoting the diplays really wouldn't be needed and thus no need for sockets. For that matter, if the end-user REALLY had to have sockets, they could just desolder the displays and install sockets. It's not rocket science. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Wed Oct 8 11:15:16 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:15:16 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Opinions Needed - 7-Segment LED Display. References: Message-ID: <009d01c92971$d14d7f10$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> # 2 - Terminal bar connectors for external wiring instead of plugs! May cost a bit more but sooooo worth it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Opinions Needed - 7-Segment LED Display. > On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >> > iirc they are socketed. >> > >> Ahh, ok. That would make it fairly easy to remote the displays from the >> board if needed. > > > ok. > > Request 1: Displays to be socketed. > > Next !! > > > -- > > Roy Coates. > Dept of Engineering. > Liverpool University. > E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk > Tel: 0151 794 4862 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs > meter. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From chevello at rcn.com Wed Oct 8 15:22:34 2008 From: chevello at rcn.com (KD) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:22:34 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] F-18 dimension seekers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48ED32AA.3040208@rcn.com> All I have are the dimensions for the A and C models. I'll have to look at some pictures and see of the cockpit is the same size on the C and E. I know the Super Hornet is a much bigger aircraft, but they may have left the cockpit alone because the pilots didn't get any bigger :). K > I'm new to this web ring and am wondering if I can get some help. After 20 years of dreaming, I've finally committed to taking the plunge. I plan on building an F-18E cockpit that will initially be static, but will eventually be motion-based (with full 360 degree rotation in both roll and pitch). > > I got my hands on the F-18 NOTAS, so I have scale drawings of the instrument and side panels. What I currently need are other basic dimensions, such as the width of the tub between the side panels, height of canopy rails vs. floor, height of the flight stick, etc. > > If anyone can provide basic cockpit dimensional data, or point me in the right direction, it would be much appreciated. > > Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Oct 8 15:32:23 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] F-18 dimension seekers In-Reply-To: <48ED32AA.3040208@rcn.com> References: <48ED32AA.3040208@rcn.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, KD wrote: > All I have are the dimensions for the A and C models. I'll have to look > at some pictures and see of the cockpit is the same size on the C and E. > I know the Super Hornet is a much bigger aircraft, but they may have > left the cockpit alone because the pilots didn't get any bigger :). > Wasn't it just a 14% size increase across the board or was it restricted to the wings/lerx, fuse length and the tail group? g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 16:46:38 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 00:46:38 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Opinions Needed - 7-Segment LED Display. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > What are the dimensions of the circuit board? If they're small enough, > remoting the diplays really wouldn't be needed and thus no need for > sockets. For that matter, if the end-user REALLY had to have sockets, > they could just desolder the displays and install sockets. It's not > rocket science. :) > My comment to Hasgtrom was that the board needed to be smaller so that displays could be "stacked". The photo you've seen is of a prototype. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 16:49:31 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 00:49:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck Message-ID: I just found out (via Google) that TV's in the USA are about 50% cheaper than they are here in the UK. That sucks !! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 8 19:49:22 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 19:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <362384.93260.qm@web81604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That's becuase the pound is worth twice what the dollar is. ? That Sucks. ? Jay --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Roy Coates wrote: From: Roy Coates Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 6:49 PM I just found out (via Google) that TV's in the USA are about 50% cheaper than they are here in the UK. That sucks !! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20081008/8864a5f1/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Oct 8 20:19:26 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Opinions Needed - 7-Segment LED Display. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> What are the dimensions of the circuit board? If they're small enough, >> remoting the diplays really wouldn't be needed and thus no need for >> sockets. For that matter, if the end-user REALLY had to have sockets, >> they could just desolder the displays and install sockets. It's not >> rocket science. :) >> > > My comment to Hasgtrom was that the board needed to be smaller so that > displays could be "stacked". The photo you've seen is of a prototype. > Ahh, ok. I think their big issue was the range of options people wanted. They may just want to pick a range of displays from either Vishay or Aligent in two sizes, then folks can pick their own color, etc. from there. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Oct 8 20:20:27 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > > > I just found out (via Google) that TV's in the USA are about 50% cheaper > than they are here in the UK. > > That sucks !! > I would imagine it's got a lot to do with that wonderful "VAT" of yours. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Oct 8 20:23:01 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: <362384.93260.qm@web81604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <362384.93260.qm@web81604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > That's becuase the pound is worth twice what the dollar is. > ? > That Sucks. > ? I think he's comparing converted pounds sterling, but I'm not sure. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From catalina299 at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 21:29:36 2008 From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:29:36 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a0a6c680810082129r29cb64a5m918679bb6baf18b3@mail.gmail.com> Camera's,TV's,Stereo's,Telephones,radios,DVD recorders I could fill up this page with items that less expensive here want a digital camera they quote the price in Euro's and dollars and they are the same . Compare here www.dpreview.com Brand new Canon EOS 5D body onlyUS dollars $2699.00 Euro's E2499.00 Pounds sterling 2299 for us that is a discount of 50% against the Euro and almost 100% against the pound Cars also are cheaper Airplanes cheaper Boats cheaper Regards Bill On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Roy Coates wrote: > > > I just found out (via Google) that TV's in the USA are about 50% cheaper > than they are here in the UK. > > That sucks !! > > > > -- > > Roy Coates. > Dept of Engineering. > Liverpool University. > E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk > Tel: 0151 794 4862 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs > meter. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20081008/3f32dc6e/attachment.html From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Wed Oct 8 23:47:41 2008 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:47:41 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Opinions Needed - 7-Segment LED Display. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0K8G00FGXLJMEA00@smtp4.clear.net.nz> Hey Roy, those things look brilliant! Was there any indication of price when they were developing them? Oh, and the GoFlight remote mount boards are great, and reasonably priced too. A mate is building a kingair sim and has these little boards driving his radios. He has a custom designed board which connects to the GoFlight headers, and holds his digits, switches and encoder. A very nice piece of kit it is too! SeanG From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 03:51:24 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:51:24 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > I just found out (via Google) that TV's in the USA are about 50% cheaper > > than they are here in the UK. > > > > That sucks !! > > > I would imagine it's got a lot to do with that wonderful "VAT" of yours. VAT (sales tax) runs at 17.5% on everything except food, books and possibly childrens clothes I think. It certainly hurts ! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 03:52:19 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:52:19 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > That's becuase the pound is worth twice what the dollar is. > > ? > > That Sucks. > > ? > > I think he's comparing converted pounds sterling, but I'm not sure. > A Sony LCD model ABC in the UK is 2000 UKP but is 2000 USD in the USofA. That's a huuuuuge difference ! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 03:53:09 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:53:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: <3a0a6c680810082129r29cb64a5m918679bb6baf18b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, William Segal wrote: I can't afford the UK any more - anyone got a room for rent? I don't eat much and haven't peed on the carpet for some time now ;-) > Camera's,TV's,Stereo's,Telephones,radios,DVD recorders I could fill up this > page with items that less expensive here want a digital camera they quote > the price in Euro's and dollars and they are the same . Compare here > www.dpreview.com Brand new Canon EOS 5D body onlyUS dollars $2699.00 > Euro's E2499.00 > Pounds sterling 2299 > > for us that is a discount of 50% against the Euro > and almost 100% against the pound > > Cars also are cheaper > Airplanes cheaper > Boats cheaper > Regards > > Bill > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Roy Coates wrote: > > > > > > > I just found out (via Google) that TV's in the USA are about 50% cheaper > > than they are here in the UK. > > > > That sucks !! > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Roy Coates. > > Dept of Engineering. > > Liverpool University. > > E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk > > Tel: 0151 794 4862 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs > > meter. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > > page. Thanks! > > > -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From scerrito at roadrunner.com Thu Oct 9 05:47:38 2008 From: scerrito at roadrunner.com (Scott Cerrito) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:47:38 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck References: Message-ID: <1688A6F776824BEF8A6C8341AE726555@DARKWOLFTAB> buy here and ship? how expensive could that be, i've shipped small aeronautical type parts from the uk to here... :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:49 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck > > > I just found out (via Google) that TV's in the USA are about 50% cheaper > than they are here in the UK. > > That sucks !! > > > > -- > > Roy Coates. > Dept of Engineering. > Liverpool University. > E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk > Tel: 0151 794 4862 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs > meter. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > From cyplesma at aol.com Thu Oct 9 06:40:15 2008 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:40:15 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: <1688A6F776824BEF8A6C8341AE726555@DARKWOLFTAB> References: <1688A6F776824BEF8A6C8341AE726555@DARKWOLFTAB> Message-ID: <8CAF82BB214E76C-C10-A5B@webmail-mf09.sysops.aol.com> keep an eye on currency here. course this shows currency in 5 second intervals, not what the retail or wholesale market is at. http://fxtrade.oanda.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Scott Cerrito To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 8:47 am Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] You Suck buy here and ship? how expensive could that be, i've shipped small aeronautical type parts from the uk to here... :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:49 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck > > > I just found out (via Google) that TV's in the USA are about 50% cheaper > than they are here in the UK. > > That sucks !! > > > > -- > > Roy Coates. > Dept of Engineering. > Liverpool University. > E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk > Tel: 0151 794 4862 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs > meter. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. 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From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Oct 9 07:01:50 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >>> That's becuase the pound is worth twice what the dollar is. >>> ? >>> That Sucks. >>> ? >> >> I think he's comparing converted pounds sterling, but I'm not sure. >> > > A Sony LCD model ABC in the UK is 2000 UKP but is 2000 USD in the USofA. > > That's a huuuuuge difference ! I wonder if it's just a case of some drooling idiot in marketing going "Gee, it's a lot less work to just change the $ to that funny pound symbol than it is to figure out the correct price..." g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Oct 9 07:02:29 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, William Segal wrote: > > > I can't afford the UK any more - anyone got a room for rent? I don't eat > much and haven't peed on the carpet for some time now ;-) > > I've got a nice place you can put a tent. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 06:09:33 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:09:33 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > VAT (sales tax) runs at 17.5% on everything except food, books and > > possibly childrens clothes I think. > > > I thought you had VAT on top of sales tax? hrmmm. Jeez... don't go giving them ideas !! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 06:10:23 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:10:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > A Sony LCD model ABC in the UK is 2000 UKP but is 2000 USD in the USofA. > > > > I wonder if it's just a case of some drooling idiot in marketing going > "Gee, it's a lot less work to just change the $ to that funny pound symbol > than it is to figure out the correct price..." I sometimes think so. I recently bought an OpenGL book which had a $60 price tag. That should equate to about 30 UKP but no, it was 60. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 06:10:49 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:10:49 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > I can't afford the UK any more - anyone got a room for rent? I don't eat > > much and haven't peed on the carpet for some time now ;-) > > > > > I've got a nice place you can put a tent. :) Lemme guess... the marshland behind your house right? -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Oct 9 07:13:07 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >>> A Sony LCD model ABC in the UK is 2000 UKP but is 2000 USD in the USofA. >>> >> >> I wonder if it's just a case of some drooling idiot in marketing going >> "Gee, it's a lot less work to just change the $ to that funny pound symbol >> than it is to figure out the correct price..." > > > I sometimes think so. I recently bought an OpenGL book which had a $60 > price tag. That should equate to about 30 UKP but no, it was 60. > It kind of bears out if you're in the US watching Top Gear (great show!). When they list the prices of cars that are available here, it's basically a symbol switch with no amount adjusting. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Oct 9 07:14:24 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >>> I can't afford the UK any more - anyone got a room for rent? I don't eat >>> much and haven't peed on the carpet for some time now ;-) >>> >>> >> I've got a nice place you can put a tent. :) > > > Lemme guess... the marshland behind your house right? > Of course not. The concrete pad in the new wood shop would be perfect. It even has a roof. Walls sold seperately. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 06:32:07 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:32:07 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > It kind of bears out if you're in the US watching Top Gear (great show!). > When they list the prices of cars that are available here, it's basically > a symbol switch with no amount adjusting. > Ah, Top Gear - don't you wish YOU had a job like theirs!? -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 06:32:35 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:32:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > Lemme guess... the marshland behind your house right? > > > Of course not. The concrete pad in the new wood shop would be > perfect. It even has a roof. Walls sold seperately. :) I'll go pack my table saw ... -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lestatandakasha at msn.com Thu Oct 9 07:35:21 2008 From: lestatandakasha at msn.com (Jamie) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:35:21 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah, Top Gear - don't you wish YOU had a job like theirs!? Clarkson is probably one of the best presenters ever. In the UK people don't question the price of goods. Most don't shop for electronic goods anywhere other than Dixons or Argos. Manufacturers simply take advantage of this. Well my opinion anyway. jamie -------------------------------------------------- From: "Roy Coates" Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 2:32 PM To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] You Suck > On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >> >> It kind of bears out if you're in the US watching Top Gear (great show!). >> When they list the prices of cars that are available here, it's basically >> a symbol switch with no amount adjusting. >> > > Ah, Top Gear - don't you wish YOU had a job like theirs!? > > > -- > > Roy Coates. > Dept of Engineering. > Liverpool University. > E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk > Tel: 0151 794 4862 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs > meter. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Oct 9 07:36:22 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >> >> It kind of bears out if you're in the US watching Top Gear (great show!). >> When they list the prices of cars that are available here, it's basically >> a symbol switch with no amount adjusting. >> > > Ah, Top Gear - don't you wish YOU had a job like theirs!? > Yep. Right up until the time Hammond tried to smear himself all over the runway in the rocket car. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Oct 9 07:36:53 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >>> Lemme guess... the marshland behind your house right? >>> >> Of course not. The concrete pad in the new wood shop would be >> perfect. It even has a roof. Walls sold seperately. :) > > > I'll go pack my table saw ... > Don't worry about it. I've got two. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From lestatandakasha at msn.com Thu Oct 9 07:42:06 2008 From: lestatandakasha at msn.com (Jamie) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:42:06 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In which case ill take one as well. Roy - we are gonna be neighbours..... :) I have 3 kids 2 adults and a dog to bring with me, could be a bit of a squeeze until I get a bigger tent. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Buckle" Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 3:36 PM To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] You Suck > On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > >> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: >> >>>> Lemme guess... the marshland behind your house right? >>>> >>> Of course not. The concrete pad in the new wood shop would be >>> perfect. It even has a roof. Walls sold seperately. :) >> >> >> I'll go pack my table saw ... >> > Don't worry about it. I've got two. :) > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > From dhansenp51 at att.net Thu Oct 9 07:43:13 2008 From: dhansenp51 at att.net (dhansenp51 at att.net) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:43:13 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] F-18E Cockpit Dimensions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <100920081443.9129.48EE18800006E603000023A922230682229B0A02D29B9B0EBFCECA9F020A9C020E080B@att.net> N????rh?,{h????????Z??????{??]|??z{"?{,??????j?"?????????g?????w?n?H????*.?????-j?l?g????z-??????z{Z?*?z?b?r,y?????)?m???????.???r??????Wij?l?w%?????&?W?y??zV?z???*'?z0??zY]????W?z???Wh~?b??n}?&??????V???d??"???,!?I?????#??&z7???? ??t???)??g???~?&?)???-y?kz????"??????I??J)???-y?fj)b? b??.nh??*'??,?jb??^r"??????N?.n?+?????????&??&?????WV???y???+a??? 0?)???(??j)fj???b????)???-y?h???zf????u?????{??????-???w(^??h?)???-y?kz????"??????b??jz?i?m??^??'????)?????Z????+l??!? ?????+l?????z?r?x)???y?b?*.?+???-?)?????????)y????ajt^ ??z{l????????????z?S????:)??5E?^??'????*'??,z?Ej ??d^?Z"y???b?{zw???%{s^???5???w???Z?????Z?????^5???^y?zZFzw???%{??z???+)???F????^??^?'?z{K0???Z?????nrI^??I???? 8??V??2 ??z?{?????,@???ek+zw???%{?^?'?z{K0???Z??h?*?? z???Cj???~?r????{??6??4?&&??Z?w?J??y?Qz???+l??!?Z"y???b?{?(??V????rJb????X?????? =???t?????t?.??}??Og?k"?????? ??z{S???{?V???Z??????.v?'z?^B?M4??m???? ??"??&N??\?????$?wLz????j????;9?v?O5??y??4?Ak?gaj{??uj?gz??n7?????+l??!5???^y?zZS????+l??!?)???(????x???N??O5??{??8?@}??4?N??t?M5???m??????tM???}A!?t?@= M?O4?m??B?{^?????^??????r??? From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 06:47:58 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:47:58 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > > I'll go pack my table saw ... > > > Don't worry about it. I've got two. :) > *sigh* -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 06:50:06 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:50:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: <1688A6F776824BEF8A6C8341AE726555@DARKWOLFTAB> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Scott Cerrito wrote: > buy here and ship? how expensive could that be, i've shipped small > aeronautical type parts from the uk to here... I too have shipped aero parts from all over the world - that's ok (unless customs get you) With consumer goods though you've three problems: 1) Warranty. 2) Voltage or other incompatibility (PAL or NTSC etc) 3) Bloody Customs ! I've had customs charges levied that exceeded the cost of the goods! It makes no sense but you don't get a chance to argue with them. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 06:51:25 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:51:25 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Jamie wrote: > > Ah, Top Gear - don't you wish YOU had a job like theirs!? > > Clarkson is probably one of the best presenters ever. He's an ego-centric tosser. I'd rather have the hamster or James May. > In the UK people don't question the price of goods. Most don't shop for > electronic goods anywhere other than Dixons or Argos. > > Manufacturers simply take advantage of this. I think you're right Jamie. The greatest British sickness is to moan and bitch (quietly) and then just suck it up. The merrycans wouldn't tolerate it. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 06:52:10 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:52:10 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Jamie wrote: > In which case ill take one as well. > > Roy - we are gonna be neighbours..... :) Hmm.... "take back the colonies"... It's a plan ! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lestatandakasha at msn.com Thu Oct 9 07:49:18 2008 From: lestatandakasha at msn.com (Jamie) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:49:18 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just had that happen to me - imported a DVD player for the car at a cost of 25 pounds - and was charged the same again for customs. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Roy Coates" Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 2:50 PM To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] You Suck > On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Scott Cerrito wrote: > >> buy here and ship? how expensive could that be, i've shipped small >> aeronautical type parts from the uk to here... > > I too have shipped aero parts from all over the world - that's ok (unless > customs get you) > > With consumer goods though you've three problems: > > 1) Warranty. > 2) Voltage or other incompatibility (PAL or NTSC etc) > 3) Bloody Customs ! > > I've had customs charges levied that exceeded the cost of the goods! It > makes no sense but you don't get a chance to argue with them. > > > -- > > Roy Coates. > Dept of Engineering. > Liverpool University. > E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk > Tel: 0151 794 4862 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs > meter. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > From lestatandakasha at msn.com Thu Oct 9 07:57:03 2008 From: lestatandakasha at msn.com (Jamie) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:57:03 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes he is, but he is one of the very few presenters in the world who would be willing to admit it. Its all three together that make the show work so well. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Roy Coates" Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 2:51 PM To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] You Suck > On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Jamie wrote: > >> >> Ah, Top Gear - don't you wish YOU had a job like theirs!? >> >> Clarkson is probably one of the best presenters ever. > > He's an ego-centric tosser. I'd rather have the hamster or James May. > > >> In the UK people don't question the price of goods. Most don't shop for >> electronic goods anywhere other than Dixons or Argos. >> >> Manufacturers simply take advantage of this. > > I think you're right Jamie. The greatest British sickness is to moan and > bitch (quietly) and then just suck it up. > > The merrycans wouldn't tolerate it. > > -- > > Roy Coates. > Dept of Engineering. > Liverpool University. > E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk > Tel: 0151 794 4862 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs > meter. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Oct 9 07:58:32 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Jamie wrote: > I just had that happen to me - imported a DVD player for the car at a cost > of 25 pounds - and was charged the same again for customs. > What is the rationalization for that kind of nonsense? g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From lestatandakasha at msn.com Thu Oct 9 07:59:28 2008 From: lestatandakasha at msn.com (Jamie) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:59:28 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: its simply - they can - so they do! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Buckle" Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 3:58 PM To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] You Suck > On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Jamie wrote: > >> I just had that happen to me - imported a DVD player for the car at a >> cost >> of 25 pounds - and was charged the same again for customs. >> > What is the rationalization for that kind of nonsense? > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Oct 9 08:09:58 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Jamie wrote: > its simply - they can - so they do! > ...and you don't call them on it, so they'll continue to get worse. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Thu Oct 9 08:26:37 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:26:37 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck Message-ID: <24028b7d42c14f598cdd1ba0e2c1517f.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> >The greatest British sickness is to moan and >bitch (quietly) and then just suck it up. *singing* Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way.... :) Brian From jimsturs at parambus.com Thu Oct 9 09:59:25 2008 From: jimsturs at parambus.com (Jims Parambus Account) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 18:59:25 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007101c92a30$62f1f270$0416a8c0@RITASYS1> Just thought that I would add my "moan" to the proceedings. I love Top Gear as well except for one item that comes up every now and again. This is when they moan about the price of new cars in the UK and say that the cheapest way to buy a new car is to order it from Holland and import it to the UK. I live in Holland and what the UK and othe non-Dutch-resident viewers do not realise (and really annoys me when Jeremy goes on about cheap cars) is that if you buy a new car in Holland that is staying in Holland for your own use; the taxman adds something called "BPM" to what you have to pay for the car. BPM is somewhere around 65%, on top of which you still pay BTW (VAT) at another 19%. Back in 1991 I bought a new TransAm in Holland. It was from the Pontiac dealership here and was a fully legal european version. The US price at the time was around &19,000. The cost to me: $45,000. You have no recourse but to pay the price if you want the item. Furthermore; the way customs operates here is like russian roulette. You take a chance on your item getting stopped. Sometimes you are lucky and it gets straight through, but if it is stopped, then starts the cost. Firstly, you have to pay for the import license (invoerechting), then the duty payable has nothing to do with what you may have paid for the item; it is based on what that item (or equivalent) costs in Holland. So if you are unlucky, you may end up paying tax on a second-hand item based on the new cost. THEN, you pay the 19% BTW on that. Oh, I almost forgot, the price that is used as a basis for the tax INCLUDES the shipping costs, so you have to pay tax on the shipping as well. Every time I want to bid for something on ebay, I have to factor in all these other potential costs. Quite often I have had to miss items, not because I doen't want to bid so high, but because of all the extra costs involved in getting it here. I love Holland, NOT. The only redeeming factor in this country is that it has an excellent healthcare service, which as I am getting older, I am appreciating more and more. Still, you have to pay for that as well by having health insurance which I am almost sure is compulsory. I have given a simplification above of a number of processes which are much more complicated than stated and I am sure that there are other NL members who may chip in with comments, but I think that the guys in the UK should remember that the grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence. Sorry for rambling. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Sent: 09 October 2008 16:57 To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] You Suck Yes he is, but he is one of the very few presenters in the world who would be willing to admit it. Its all three together that make the show work so well. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Roy Coates" Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 2:51 PM To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] You Suck > On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Jamie wrote: > >> >> Ah, Top Gear - don't you wish YOU had a job like theirs!? >> >> Clarkson is probably one of the best presenters ever. > > He's an ego-centric tosser. I'd rather have the hamster or James May. > > >> In the UK people don't question the price of goods. Most don't shop for >> electronic goods anywhere other than Dixons or Argos. >> >> Manufacturers simply take advantage of this. > > I think you're right Jamie. The greatest British sickness is to moan and > bitch (quietly) and then just suck it up. > > The merrycans wouldn't tolerate it. > > -- > > Roy Coates. > Dept of Engineering. > Liverpool University. > E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk > Tel: 0151 794 4862 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs > meter. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From idekkers at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 10:07:26 2008 From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:07:26 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] F-18E Cockpit Dimensions In-Reply-To: <100920081443.9129.48EE18800006E603000023A922230682229B0A02D29B9B0EBFCECA9F020A9C020E080B@att.net> References: <100920081443.9129.48EE18800006E603000023A922230682229B0A02D29B9B0EBFCECA9F020A9C020E080B@att.net> Message-ID: <39e5de8d0810091007q37c4b1dct355bbfd05042a87e@mail.gmail.com> Usually, you need to know someone, or get really lucky like Gene, today it's more of a problem since even in the US they demill everything, and that means chopping it all down to peaces no larger then a few cm. most of what you see on ebay is old stuff before the new rules. Ido On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 4:43 PM, wrote: > Thanks much to those who have offered assistance with F-18E dimensions... > sorry to be asking for such rudimentary info, but I guess you have to start > somewhere. > > Another rudimentary question... I see a lot of sims being build out of > actual de-mil'd parts (including complete fuselage sections. How the hell do > people get ahold of this stuff??? I'm sure it's all about "knowing a guy who > knows a guy...". Makes me jealous! ;-) > > David > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20081009/08f38a8f/attachment.html From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 14:20:21 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 22:20:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Jamie wrote: > > > I just had that happen to me - imported a DVD player for the car at a cost > > of 25 pounds - and was charged the same again for customs. > > > What is the rationalization for that kind of nonsense? simple. They have "the power" and they have your goods !! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 14:25:26 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 22:25:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > its simply - they can - so they do! > > ...and you don't call them on it, so they'll continue to get worse. :) Yup - the great british sickness. I can imagine government meetings running something like this: "the public still have money in their pockets" "what! we need another tax, quick" "Yes, but not just ANY tax.. it must be sneaky, technically illegal, and stealthy too" "I know - for years and years the motorist has paid billions in road taxes to fund the roads - let's charge them to use those roads!" "what, the roads THEY paid for?" "Yes!" "Brilliant!" And here's a great example of Labour government taxation: If you import a radio - you pay a small import duty. If you import an mp3 player - you pay a small import duty. If however, you import a radio with an mp3 player built in - you pay the import duty AND a "multimedia tax". Bastards! If the government was on fire, I wouldn't even pee on them. Notice how the "Great" has disappeared and it's just "Britain" now? *sigh* -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 14:29:23 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 22:29:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: <007101c92a30$62f1f270$0416a8c0@RITASYS1> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Jims Parambus Account wrote: > the way customs operates here is like russian roulette. > You take a chance on your item getting stopped. Sometimes you are > lucky and it gets straight through, but if it is stopped, then > starts the cost. oh you got that right! And paying a tax on tax? We do that too on petrol. Sorry things are just as bad in NL - maybe it's a european sickness? -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Thu Oct 9 16:06:51 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:06:51 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck References: Message-ID: <001701c92a63$b7f1b610$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Guys, This is a very interesting topic. With X-Plane being such a "global" community I think the issue of currency variations and economics is important. Being such an elite group (if I dare use the term) there is always the potential for a lot of cross border and cross country trading/clarification going on. But .... Could someone change the title of the thread? "You Suck"??? I missed where this came from, but I don't think it's appropriate for this group. Gene? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: ; "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] You Suck > On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Jims Parambus Account wrote: > >> the way customs operates here is like russian roulette. >> You take a chance on your item getting stopped. Sometimes you are >> lucky and it gets straight through, but if it is stopped, then >> starts the cost. > > oh you got that right! > > And paying a tax on tax? We do that too on petrol. > > Sorry things are just as bad in NL - maybe it's a european sickness? > > > -- > > Roy Coates. > Dept of Engineering. > Liverpool University. > E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk > Tel: 0151 794 4862 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs > meter. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Oct 9 16:36:16 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] I envy your crushed currency (was You Suck) In-Reply-To: <001701c92a63$b7f1b610$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <001701c92a63$b7f1b610$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Rick Davis wrote: > Guys, > > This is a very interesting topic. With X-Plane being such a "global" > community I think the issue of currency variations and economics is > important. Being such an elite group (if I dare use the term) there is > always the potential for a lot of cross border and cross country > trading/clarification going on. > > But .... Could someone change the title of the thread? "You Suck"??? I > missed where this came from, but I don't think it's appropriate for this > group. > Rick, anything that doesn't look like it's going to devolve into a bar fight is pretty fair game. :) I do agree that the subject line should've been updated a bit. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Thu Oct 9 17:33:29 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:33:29 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] I envy your crushed currency (was You Suck) References: <001701c92a63$b7f1b610$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <002601c92a6f$d11c2970$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Thanks Gene, (LOL) Just after getting about 100 emails with "You Suck" as the title bar, I started to re-think who my enemies might be. Are we permitted to openly discuss this topic here? :) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] I envy your crushed currency (was You Suck) > On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Rick Davis wrote: > >> Guys, >> >> This is a very interesting topic. With X-Plane being such a "global" >> community I think the issue of currency variations and economics is >> important. Being such an elite group (if I dare use the term) there is >> always the potential for a lot of cross border and cross country >> trading/clarification going on. >> >> But .... Could someone change the title of the thread? "You Suck"??? I >> missed where this came from, but I don't think it's appropriate for this >> group. >> > > Rick, anything that doesn't look like it's going to devolve into a bar > fight is pretty fair game. :) I do agree that the subject line should've > been updated a bit. :) > > g. > > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 9 20:21:50 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 22:21:50 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] I envy your crushed currency (was You Suck) In-Reply-To: <002601c92a6f$d11c2970$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <001701c92a63$b7f1b610$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <002601c92a6f$d11c2970$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: Probably best to move to the chat side of things. jay Show me a man who cannot be bothered to do the little things, and I will show you a man who cannot be trusted to do the big ones. --Lawrence Bell, Founder Bell Hellicopter -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Rick Davis Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:33 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] I envy your crushed currency (was You Suck) Thanks Gene, (LOL) Just after getting about 100 emails with "You Suck" as the title bar, I started to re-think who my enemies might be. Are we permitted to openly discuss this topic here? :) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] I envy your crushed currency (was You Suck) > On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Rick Davis wrote: > >> Guys, >> >> This is a very interesting topic. With X-Plane being such a "global" >> community I think the issue of currency variations and economics is >> important. Being such an elite group (if I dare use the term) there is >> always the potential for a lot of cross border and cross country >> trading/clarification going on. >> >> But .... Could someone change the title of the thread? "You Suck"??? I >> missed where this came from, but I don't think it's appropriate for this >> group. >> > > Rick, anything that doesn't look like it's going to devolve into a bar > fight is pretty fair game. :) I do agree that the subject line should've > been updated a bit. :) > > g. > > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Oct 9 21:47:39 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] I envy your crushed currency (was You Suck) In-Reply-To: <002601c92a6f$d11c2970$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <001701c92a63$b7f1b610$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <002601c92a6f$d11c2970$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: > Just after getting about 100 emails with "You Suck" as the title bar, I > started to re-think who my enemies might be. > Are we permitted to openly discuss this topic here? > Oh it wasn't anywhere near 100. It's been tame around here for years. You should've seen it when it was REALLY wierd around here. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Thu Oct 9 22:16:02 2008 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:16:02 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: <24028b7d42c14f598cdd1ba0e2c1517f.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <24028b7d42c14f598cdd1ba0e2c1517f.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: <0K8I001R6BYXNE30@smtp3.clear.net.nz> >*singing* Hanging on in quiet desperation is the >English way.... :) It must be Floyd O'Clock then........ SeanG From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Fri Oct 10 04:35:06 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:35:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: <001701c92a63$b7f1b610$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Rick Davis wrote: > But .... Could someone change the title of the thread? "You Suck"??? I > missed where this came from, but I don't think it's appropriate for this > group. > > Gene? LOL!! Yeah, blame gene !! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Fri Oct 10 04:36:44 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:36:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: <0K8I001R6BYXNE30@smtp3.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008, Sean Galbraith wrote: > > >*singing* Hanging on in quiet desperation is the > >English way.... :) > > It must be Floyd O'Clock then........ It always is :-) I nearly broke two fingers trying to play a Gilmour riff the other night - that guy is a genius :-) -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Fri Oct 10 05:27:43 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:27:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Using pots for position sensing Message-ID: Chaps. This is something we all an answer too I'm sure ! For all my current projects, I use a cheapo joystick (Logitech Wingman) to give me the interface electronics for my project. These are cheap and require no custom software since the PC still thinks its a regular joystick. All I have to do is mount whatever 100k pots I need to detect throttle, pitch/roll/yaw etc. But.. and the big but is - how to physically operate the pot? With rotary pots it's hard to get a full sweep, impossible if you try to use a simple bell-crank setup. And linear pots are generally fairly fragile so you don't want to put any strain on either end of it's movement. Have any of you come up with a solution? In the past I've made little gearboxes to give me a full sweep, or used a higher value pot so that I only need a partial sweep. Ideas people please! Cheers, Roy. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Oct 10 06:40:14 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Rick Davis wrote: > >> But .... Could someone change the title of the thread? "You Suck"??? I >> missed where this came from, but I don't think it's appropriate for this >> group. >> >> Gene? > > > > LOL!! Yeah, blame gene !! > Mom! Roy's bein' a jerk again! Make him stop! Seriously folks, we should take this to the simpits-chat list. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Oct 10 06:41:01 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Fri, 10 Oct 2008, Sean Galbraith wrote: > >> >>> *singing* Hanging on in quiet desperation is the >>> English way.... :) >> >> It must be Floyd O'Clock then........ > > > It always is :-) > > I nearly broke two fingers trying to play a Gilmour riff the other night - > that guy is a genius :-) Or....*peers up at the subject line* *gdr* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Fri Oct 10 05:49:37 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:49:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] You Suck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > I nearly broke two fingers trying to play a Gilmour riff the other night - > > that guy is a genius :-) > > Or....*peers up at the subject line* oi !! I'll have you know that after 30+ years of guitar playing, I am a very below standard player. I am never afraid to clutch defeat from the jaws of victory. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Oct 10 06:51:59 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Using pots for position sensing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > But.. and the big but is - how to physically operate the pot? With rotary > pots it's hard to get a full sweep, impossible if you try to use a simple > bell-crank setup. And linear pots are generally fairly fragile so you > don't want to put any strain on either end of it's movement. > I've fought that particular monster myself recently. Without using gears, or some other mechanical system, there's just no easy solution to it. However, in doing research for an article I've ordered some VERY cheap hall effect sensors (about $1.50 each). I found about them when I was checking to see how close Mike was getting to finishing his book. :) Head over to http://www.mikesflightdeck.com and scroll down to the section titled "Position Sensors Chapter Revisions (3 September 2008)" and also the section marked "Control Yoke Chapter Progress and Hall Sensors (20 June 2008)" The second section goes into detail on how the bits go together. The setup he illustrats is very simple and pretty much deletes a whole bunch of mechanical linkages required to turn a pot. I've got a pile of .125" neodymium magnets that I'm going to try this with to see how well it works. If they're not enough I can always hit the local hardware store for ones like he's using. Digikey carries the Allegro A1301 parts in stock. (you want the SIP version, not the surface mount of course) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Fri Oct 10 06:14:13 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:14:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Using pots for position sensing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > However, in doing research for an article I've ordered some VERY cheap > hall effect sensors (about $1.50 each). I found about them when I was > checking to see how close Mike was getting to finishing his book. :) Yeah, Hall Effect has been a holy grail for some time and new toys are beginning to make their presence felt. Have you seen the drop-in HE replacements for the Cougar joystick? Google will show you. Quite how these work I don't know since they are wired directly to the original pot wires. I still need to use pots for this project - nobody got ideas? -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Oct 10 08:19:04 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Using pots for position sensing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Fri, 10 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >> However, in doing research for an article I've ordered some VERY cheap >> hall effect sensors (about $1.50 each). I found about them when I was >> checking to see how close Mike was getting to finishing his book. :) > > > Yeah, Hall Effect has been a holy grail for some time and new toys are > beginning to make their presence felt. Have you seen the drop-in HE > replacements for the Cougar joystick? Google will show you. > I've seen those and been tempted, but they're ungodly expensive especially considering the $200+ investment in the Cougar to begin with. > Quite how these work I don't know since they are wired directly to the > original pot wires. > They work just like a 3 wire pot does. Same for the part shown on Mike's page. You've got +Vcc, ground and a "wiper" line. The upgrade parts for the Cougar esentially have a 3 wire hall effect device in the case along with one or more magnets. > I still need to use pots for this project - nobody got ideas? Unfortunately, it's all down to gears. You could also look at using slide pots - that might work out for you if the travel is short enough. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From allendc at qwest.net Fri Oct 10 08:19:40 2008 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:19:40 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Using pots for position sensing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081010151956.0A68E53BEAB@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> Roy String pots are the answer http://www.unimeasure.com/lx.htm If you are interfacing to real aircraft, you can connect them to the actual pulleys. You can order the to the length you want for the control travel. Secondly you can use them in place of linear travel pots. David www.737Flightsim.com From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Fri Oct 10 07:34:29 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:34:29 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Using pots for position sensing In-Reply-To: <20081010151956.0A68E53BEAB@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008, David C. Allen wrote: > Roy > String pots are the answer http://www.unimeasure.com/lx.htm > > If you are interfacing to real aircraft, you can connect them to the > actual pulleys. You can order the to the length you want for the > control travel. > > Secondly you can use them in place of linear travel pots. What a lovely bit'o'kit ! Thanks David. Sadly, they don't do the 100k that I need. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Fri Oct 10 08:33:56 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:33:56 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Using pots for position sensing References: Message-ID: <009b01c92aed$9bfe2670$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Roy, The PFC consol I have here re-working for Bill uses what I would call linear pots for the throttles. They are actuated with an aluminium shaft which has a spring loaded affair inside. The back of the throttle control is a very simple cam which pushes the shaft in. Very simple and robust design. Maybe you have used these and are aware of them, but I'll send you a couple of pics off list in any case. I'm in the midst of pouring concrete at the moment but will try to get them off later today. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 9:27 AM Subject: [simpits-tech] Using pots for position sensing > > > Chaps. > This is something we all an answer too I'm sure ! > > For all my current projects, I use a cheapo joystick (Logitech Wingman) to > give me the interface electronics for my project. These are cheap and > require no custom software since the PC still thinks its a regular > joystick. All I have to do is mount whatever 100k pots I need to detect > throttle, pitch/roll/yaw etc. > > But.. and the big but is - how to physically operate the pot? With rotary > pots it's hard to get a full sweep, impossible if you try to use a simple > bell-crank setup. And linear pots are generally fairly fragile so you > don't want to put any strain on either end of it's movement. > > Have any of you come up with a solution? > > In the past I've made little gearboxes to give me a full sweep, or used a > higher value pot so that I only need a partial sweep. > > Ideas people please! > > Cheers, > > Roy. > > > -- > > Roy Coates. > Dept of Engineering. > Liverpool University. > E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk > Tel: 0151 794 4862 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs > meter. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From allendc at qwest.net Fri Oct 10 08:45:04 2008 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:45:04 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Using pots for position sensing In-Reply-To: References: <20081010151956.0A68E53BEAB@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <20081010154508.8B57C627931@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> At 03:34 PM 10/10/2008 +0100, you wrote: >On Fri, 10 Oct 2008, David C. Allen wrote: > > > Roy > > String pots are the answer http://www.unimeasure.com/lx.htm > > > > If you are interfacing to real aircraft, you can connect them to the > > actual pulleys. You can order the to the length you want for the > > control travel. > > > > Secondly you can use them in place of linear travel pots. > > >What a lovely bit'o'kit ! Thanks David. There are a bunch of companies that make the transducers http://www.micro-epsilon.com/en/Sensors/Draw-Wire/ They are in Germany http://www.dataq.com/applicat/articles/stringpot.htm http://www.celesco.com/ http://www.me-us.com/draw-wire/ >Sadly, they don't do the 100k that I need. Send them an Email and ask they will make the 100K I use phidgets so 10k is all one needs David www.737FlightSim.com From b744sim at yahoo.es Fri Oct 10 09:15:12 2008 From: b744sim at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Javier_Fern=E1ndez_Del_Barrio?=) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:15:12 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Using pots for position sensing References: <20081010151956.0A68E53BEAB@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <001901c92af3$63cd0590$0201a8c0@oficina> Hi David (and All), Very interesting link. Have you a picture/diagram about how to connect them to the pulleys?. Thanks. Regards, Javier ----- Original Message ----- From: David C. Allen To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Using pots for position sensing Roy String pots are the answer http://www.unimeasure.com/lx.htm If you are interfacing to real aircraft, you can connect them to the actual pulleys. You can order the to the length you want for the control travel. Secondly you can use them in place of linear travel pots. David www.737Flightsim.com _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! __________ Informaci?n de ESET NOD32 Antivirus, versi?n de la base de firmas de virus 3511 (20081010) __________ ESET NOD32 Antivirus ha comprobado este mensaje. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20081010/1bfbf7f2/attachment-0001.html From allendc at qwest.net Fri Oct 10 09:29:31 2008 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:29:31 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Using pots for position sensing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081010162948.0694753BDD5@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> If you use a analog input board, like phidgets which just uses the pot as a simple voltage divider, then you can use a 0 to 5 volt sensor as the input. Here is a link http://www.megatron.de/export/Contacless__analog_Sensors/MAB25A/mab25a.html David www.737FlightSim.com From locosim at dnh757.com Sat Oct 11 05:28:22 2008 From: locosim at dnh757.com (locosim at dnh757.com) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:28:22 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] Options for a USB Air Core Meter Controller Message-ID: <252609466-1223728134-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1552564604-@bxe108.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I am looking for a USB Air Core controller. I am using Phidgets I/O controllers for a project as it is too small for an EPIC. I am wondering if anyone has ideas for handling two meters. Phidgets does not seem to have anything and BetaInnovations is Out Business. Does any one have any ideas? Thanks. Bill Locosim at dnh757.com www.dnh757.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From idekkers at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 05:38:23 2008 From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:38:23 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Options for a USB Air Core Meter Controller In-Reply-To: <252609466-1223728134-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1552564604-@bxe108.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <252609466-1223728134-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1552564604-@bxe108.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <39e5de8d0810110538vfee7ce8l5b139ee87fabb729@mail.gmail.com> you can try PHCC :http://cockpit.varxec.net/electronics/PHCC.html On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 2:28 PM, wrote: > I am looking for a USB Air Core controller. I am using Phidgets I/O > controllers for a project as it is too small for an EPIC. I am wondering if > anyone has ideas for handling two meters. Phidgets does not seem to have > anything and BetaInnovations is Out Business. > > Does any one have any ideas? > > Thanks. > > Bill > Locosim at dnh757.com > www.dnh757.com > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20081011/a3f424e7/attachment.html From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 07:43:13 2008 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:43:13 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Options for a USB Air Core Meter Controller In-Reply-To: <252609466-1223728134-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1552564604-@bxe108.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <252609466-1223728134-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1552564604-@bxe108.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: shure just use a DAC or digital 2 analog converter you put in 8 or 10 bits and out come voltage and the meter moves pouff.... or build your own.. no too too hard.. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 5:28 AM, wrote: > I am looking for a USB Air Core controller. I am using Phidgets I/O > controllers for a project as it is too small for an EPIC. I am wondering if > anyone has ideas for handling two meters. Phidgets does not seem to have > anything and BetaInnovations is Out Business. > > Does any one have any ideas? > > Thanks. > > Bill > Locosim at dnh757.com > www.dnh757.com > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20081011/a0cdcb77/attachment.html From catalina299 at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 18:12:41 2008 From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:12:41 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Options for a USB Air Core Meter Controller In-Reply-To: <252609466-1223728134-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1552564604-@bxe108.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <252609466-1223728134-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1552564604-@bxe108.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <3a0a6c680810111812v52feb9bftf96319bea61584d7@mail.gmail.com> I am impressed that cab must weigh 5000 pounds its all steel keep us informed that is a great idea ! Regards Bill On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 5:28 AM, wrote: > I am looking for a USB Air Core controller. I am using Phidgets I/O > controllers for a project as it is too small for an EPIC. I am wondering if > anyone has ideas for handling two meters. Phidgets does not seem to have > anything and BetaInnovations is Out Business. > > Does any one have any ideas? > > Thanks. > > Bill > Locosim at dnh757.com > www.dnh757.com > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20081011/54aff6ea/attachment.html From catalina299 at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 00:00:59 2008 From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:00:59 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Options for a USB Air Core Meter Controller In-Reply-To: <3a0a6c680810111812v52feb9bftf96319bea61584d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <252609466-1223728134-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1552564604-@bxe108.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <3a0a6c680810111812v52feb9bftf96319bea61584d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a0a6c680810130000h1dd8ecbbp64679ce2fd64d181@mail.gmail.com> > lYou ever been lucky enough to get a mainline ride in the front end > I talked myself on Via Rail Canada from the crew change on the way up to the hil to Lake Louise stop then down the hill to Calgary 1988 Engineer NO 1. Canada Pacific Regards Bill > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 5:28 AM, wrote: > >> I am looking for a USB Air Core controller. I am using Phidgets I/O >> controllers for a project as it is too small for an EPIC. I am wondering if >> anyone has ideas for handling two meters. Phidgets does not seem to have >> anything and BetaInnovations is Out Business. >> >> Does any one have any ideas? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Bill >> Locosim at dnh757.com >> www.dnh757.com >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> _______________________________________________ >> Simpits-tech mailing list >> Simpits-tech at simpits.org >> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >> To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >> page. Thanks! >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20081013/a3326890/attachment.html From chevello at rcn.com Mon Oct 13 14:44:10 2008 From: chevello at rcn.com (KD) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:44:10 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Position sensing, F-18 dims and TV suckage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F3C12A.1050909@rcn.com> The string pot idea is pretty good. Maybe make your own with a wind-up spring, a spool to take up the string and a, well, string. The problem with transferring the rotary motion of a stick or throttle to linear motion is the lack of linearity at the ends of the rotary travel. If your software can compensate for that, then bob's your uncle. We use gears at work. They usually come from PIC Design or WMBerg and aren't terribly expensive, most of them. Some of the metal ones can get pricey, but the plastic ones frequently are less. Another way would be the way I have seen it done on an Immersion stick. I'll try to explain it, but we'll see how I do. There is a large toothed belt pulley on the stick, and it has a pin in it. The pot is mounted parallel to the pulley shaft. The pin on the pulley goes through a lever attached to the pot. The pot lever has a slot in it to allow the pin to slide back and forth as it goes around rotating the pot. If that isn't clear, I'll dig the immersion Impulse stick I have under the bench out, and take a picture. Yu could also use toothed belts, or even small V-belts. I don't think the V belts would slip, pots don't take much force to turn. I have the F-18 book out on my desk, but haven't had the time to see how the E/F compares to the A/B/C/D. I'll try to get that together this week. I don't remember what the size increase percentage is, I've been working on other aircraft types lately, so I haven't thought about fighter jets. In the UK, TVs cost more because they are trying to tax you guys out of existence, whereas here, they are trying to simply numb our minds so badly that we give in to whatever the gov't wants. So, they make TVs cheap, and show mind numbing garbage on them 24 hours a day. Seems to be working fairly well. The movie Idiocracy is a documentary made by time travelers, not a bit of satire. :D K > From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 10:12:41 2008 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] visuals Message-ID: <412731.8365.qm@web52011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Why does the Air Force?use a dome shaped like the one is this photo http://www.usminc.com/trainers/cockpit_08.html?rather than one that is rounded? ? Justin ?? ? ? ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Justin _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20081014/6f042033/attachment.html From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue Oct 14 11:59:09 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:59:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] visuals In-Reply-To: <412731.8365.qm@web52011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Oct 2008, Justin Messenger wrote: > Why does the Air Force?use a dome shaped like the one is this photo http://www.usminc.com/trainers/cockpit_08.html?rather than one that is rounded? > ? They got a job-lot of flat board ? -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Oct 14 13:16:16 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:16:16 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] visuals References: Message-ID: <00f601c92e39$b72f8c50$6500a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> It can be folded up and moved without getting it wrinkled or damaged? A circle thing is a bitch to set up I'll bet, unless its a permanent installation. That can be shipped anywhere easily and if you can open a suitcase you could set it up. ?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] visuals On Tue, 14 Oct 2008, Justin Messenger wrote: > Why does the Air Force use a dome shaped like the one is this photo > http://www.usminc.com/trainers/cockpit_08.html rather than one that is > rounded? > They got a job-lot of flat board ? -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Tue Oct 14 15:59:17 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:59:17 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] visuals Message-ID: <69070a8ab37e441b8273790ffd8c8f53.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> I highly doubt it's a portable setup. Of the Air Force sims I've flown (T-6, T-1, KC-135, B-1B) all but the T-1 were some sort of spherical screen. The KC-135 and B-1B were spherical mirrors with rear projection collimated screens. The T-6 was just a spherical screen with collimated projections. My guess is that to make a screen setup like the one's I've flow that would give enough FOV for practice in a close-in turning fight would be extremely difficult. The hexagonal screens should allow for a much better FOV, especially in the vertical. The lack of blurriness might also be a factor... while good enough for what each of the preceding aircraft does, from what I've seen collimated projections seem to always have an area of blurriness and visual issues right where the projections come together. I don't think they can make the line "crisp" enough to avoid some projector overlap. Again, in a dogfight situation, this might be critical. Brian >------- Original Message ------- >From : Rick Davis[mailto:rd at ns.sympatico.ca] >Sent : 10/14/2008 4:16:16 PM >To : simpits-tech at simpits.org >Cc : >Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] visuals > >It can be folded up and moved without getting it wrinkled or damaged? A circle thing is a bitch to set up I'll bet, unless its a permanent installation. That can be shipped anywhere easily and if you can open a suitcase you could set it up. ?? ----- Original Message ----- On Tue, 14 Oct 2008, Justin Messenger wrote: > Why does the Air Force use a dome shaped like the one is this photo > http://www.usminc.com/trainers/cockpit_08.html rather than one that is > rounded? > They got a job-lot of flat board ? -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From chevello at rcn.com Tue Oct 14 17:31:37 2008 From: chevello at rcn.com (KD) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:31:37 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F539E9.4010805@rcn.com> With the dome, you need to have a special fisheye lens that can stretch the images into the curve. This requires that the projector lens be as close to the spherical center of the dome as possible. This type of lens stretches the image a bunch at the edges creating size distortions and pixelation. There is also some screen door efect in the curved dome since the image needs to cover so much area, that the images is huge. The flat projection screens can use a bunch of high res projectors to each cover a portion of that. It also makes merging the edges of the images easier when the edges are straight lines. Merging the edges of sperically correcte images requires more processing power. Power that can better be used for framerate or image detail processing. See the video here: http://www.etctacticalflight.com/ to see what the dome visual looks like. It doesn't wrap around as far as the MDART pentagons do. Here is a shot of a dome in a space simulator: http://www.nastarcenter.com/press/module2.htm The big THING hanging down in the middle is a projector. Checking your six with this in the way is an adventure. I'm waiting for vacuum formable OLED matrix with a good resolution. Then we'll just form the screen into a big bubble, and put the sim inside it :) One of the funnier things I find is that the government requires a 60Hz framerate for their sims. Some of the guys I used to fly IL2 with weren't happy with anything less than 100. Said it looked jerky at less than that. K > > Why does the Air Force?use a dome shaped like the one is this photo http://www.usminc.com/trainers/cockpit_08.html?rather than one that is rounded? > ? > Justin > ******************************************* > > From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue Oct 28 10:17:09 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:17:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] USB Interfacing. Message-ID: Gosh this list is so quiet I'm almost afraid to post... Has anyone got any experience/knowledge of working with USB? I'm looking at building a pic project and would like to talk to it via a USB port. Any clues/pointers appreciated. Cheers, Roy. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sander at vpilot.net Tue Oct 28 10:36:09 2008 From: sander at vpilot.net (Sander van der Moolen) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:36:09 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] USB Interfacing. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7FFB144FEF4B42E59FEFD3B25A576B54.MAI@sohosted21.com> Don't know exactly how complex you want to make your pit, but I'm gonna use one of Leo Bodnar's cards: BU-0836. Check his site, www.leobodnar.com It essentially is a usb joystick controller card that you can hook up your buttons and levers (pot's) and in Windows assign them to functions as you would any ordinary joystick. But there's lots of other means (also with usb) to connect your hardware. Like Epic, FSBus and Phidgets for instance. Hope this helps! -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] Namens Roy Coates Verzonden: dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 18:17 Aan: simpits-tech at simpits.org Onderwerp: [simpits-tech] USB Interfacing. Gosh this list is so quiet I'm almost afraid to post... Has anyone got any experience/knowledge of working with USB? I'm looking at building a pic project and would like to talk to it via a USB port. Any clues/pointers appreciated. Cheers, Roy. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue Oct 28 10:42:25 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:42:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] USB Interfacing. In-Reply-To: <7FFB144FEF4B42E59FEFD3B25A576B54.MAI@sohosted21.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Sander van der Moolen wrote: > Don't know exactly how complex you want to make your pit, but I'm gonna use > one of Leo Bodnar's cards: BU-0836. > Check his site, www.leobodnar.com > It essentially is a usb joystick controller card that you can hook up your > buttons and levers (pot's) and in Windows assign them to functions as you > would any ordinary joystick. > > But there's lots of other means (also with usb) to connect your hardware. > Like Epic, FSBus and Phidgets for instance. Thanks Sander, I'm aware of Leo's gear but I'm looking to build my own with the help of our resident electronics wizard. Sadly, he has no previous experience with USB. What I'm looking for is the means to talk via USB to some external device. Cheers, Roy. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From adm.design at verizon.net Tue Oct 28 10:59:36 2008 From: adm.design at verizon.net (Alan D. Mazurka) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:59:36 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] USB Interfacing. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0K9G00IGZNBH96B3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, Roy. 1. have you considered something like talking to a serial port that converts to USB? buy something like a serial-to-USB cable, keep the USB end untouched, and take the serial side of the cable apart. connect 1 pin output from the PIC to the data line. you'll talk to it via a virtual SIO port. 2, i had a USB I/O controller that gave me 24 bits to play with. you could write to any of the 24 bits, then read them over USB via a virtual SIO port. sounds like overkill in your situation. 3. someone _must_ have finessed the PIC -> USB connection already. it seems like such a common problem. i wouldn't try to build an actual USB interface myself. lots of folks have cracked that nut inexpensively. - adm - At 01:17 PM 10/28/2008, you wrote: >Has anyone got any experience/knowledge of working with USB? I'm looking >at building a pic project and would like to talk to it via a USB port. ---------- Alan D. Mazurka adm.design at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20081028/8a5e56eb/attachment.html From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Tue Oct 28 11:07:21 2008 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:07:21 +1300 Subject: [simpits-tech] USB Interfacing. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0K9G0094TNODWA30@smtp5.clear.net.nz> How about..... http://www.dlpdesign.com/usb/ SeanG At 06:17 a.m. 29/10/2008, you wrote: >Gosh this list is so quiet I'm almost afraid to post... > >Has anyone got any experience/knowledge of working with USB? I'm looking >at building a pic project and would like to talk to it via a USB port. > >Any clues/pointers appreciated. > >Cheers, > >Roy. > >-- > >Roy Coates. >Dept of Engineering. >Liverpool University. >E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk >Tel: 0151 794 4862 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! From it_developer at hotmail.com Tue Oct 28 21:01:44 2008 From: it_developer at hotmail.com (David Lazar) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:01:44 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] USB Interfacing. In-Reply-To: <7FFB144FEF4B42E59FEFD3B25A576B54.MAI@sohosted21.com> References: <7FFB144FEF4B42E59FEFD3B25A576B54.MAI@sohosted21.com> Message-ID: Check out these sites for more details: http://www.circuitcellar.com/USB/Get_Satarted_USB.pdf http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId!24¶m=en022613&page=wwwFullSpeedUSB http://bensherlock.co.uk/projects/gadgets/usb-pic/usb-pic-links http://www.alanmacek.com/usb/http://electronicfr.com/index.php/Microcontrollers-and-USB/Part-1-How-to-build-a-USB-device-with-a-PIC-18F4550-or-18F2550.html http://www.embedds.com/tag/pic-usb/ http://www.mcmanis.com/chuck/robotics/projects/pic-pgrm.htm http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm/an_pk/3025l http://eegeek.net/content/view/27/32/ > From: sander at vpilot.net> To: simpits-tech at simpits.org> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:36:09 +0100> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] USB Interfacing.> > Don't know exactly how complex you want to make your pit, but I'm gonna use> one of Leo Bodnar's cards: BU-0836.> Check his site, www.leobodnar.com > It essentially is a usb joystick controller card that you can hook up your> buttons and levers (pot's) and in Windows assign them to functions as you> would any ordinary joystick.> > But there's lots of other means (also with usb) to connect your hardware.> Like Epic, FSBus and Phidgets for instance.> > Hope this helps!> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----> Van: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org> [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] Namens Roy Coates> Verzonden: dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 18:17> Aan: simpits-tech at simpits.org> Onderwerp: [simpits-tech] USB Interfacing.> > > > Gosh this list is so quiet I'm almost afraid to post...> > Has anyone got any experience/knowledge of working with USB? I'm looking> at building a pic project and would like to talk to it via a USB port.> > Any clues/pointers appreciated.> > Cheers,> > Roy.> > --> > Roy Coates.> Dept of Engineering.> Liverpool University.> E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk> Tel: 0151 794 4862> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------> ---> Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs> meter.> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------> ---> > _______________________________________________> Simpits-tech mailing list> Simpits-tech at simpits.org> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech> To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page.> Thanks!> > > _______________________________________________> Simpits-tech mailing list> Simpits-tech at simpits.org> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech> To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. http://skydrive.live.com/welcome.aspx?provision=1?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_102008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20081028/fec9dd72/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Oct 29 08:34:03 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] windscreen frame... Message-ID: I spent some time last night working on a windscreen for the cockpit plans. http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/windscreen_test.jpg The form of the windscreen isn't final and all the components for it are not present. It's current position makes it flush with the existing canopy rails. This would result in the instrument panel being pushed 10" forward of its current location, making it unreachable without leaning pretty far forward. There are two ways to handle this - the first is to just leave it alone and not have a windscreen or articulated canopy. The second option is to move the windscreen frame aft to it's "proper" position. This would reduce the cockpit opening length from 35" to about 27. The question I have for you guys - would you rather have a windscreen & articulated canopy or a huge hole to hop in & out of? g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From frank at rezultat.dk Wed Oct 29 08:40:58 2008 From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:40:58 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] windscreen frame... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'D LIKE THIS VERSION Easy to get into and still something to look through ! keep up the good work Frank -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af Gene Buckle Sendt: 29. oktober 2008 16:34 Til: simpits-tech at simpits.org Emne: [simpits-tech] windscreen frame... I spent some time last night working on a windscreen for the cockpit plans. http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/windscreen_test.jpg The form of the windscreen isn't final and all the components for it are not present. It's current position makes it flush with the existing canopy rails. This would result in the instrument panel being pushed 10" forward of its current location, making it unreachable without leaning pretty far forward. There are two ways to handle this - the first is to just leave it alone and not have a windscreen or articulated canopy. The second option is to move the windscreen frame aft to it's "proper" position. This would reduce the cockpit opening length from 35" to about 27. The question I have for you guys - would you rather have a windscreen & articulated canopy or a huge hole to hop in & out of? g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Oct 29 08:47:02 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] windscreen frame... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Frank Riedel wrote: > I'D LIKE THIS VERSION > Easy to get into and still something to look through ! > Here's an experiment for you to try. Put a chair far away enough from a wall so you could easily manipulate a switch with your arm fully extended. Now move the chair back 10 inches. See the problem? > keep up the good work Thanks! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From frank at rezultat.dk Wed Oct 29 09:00:59 2008 From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:00:59 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] windscreen frame... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Okay The second solution.... what about making the aft canopy smaller As this is only for looking good ! ! ! Frank -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af Gene Buckle Sendt: 29. oktober 2008 16:47 Til: Simulator Cockpit tech list Emne: Re: [simpits-tech] windscreen frame... On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Frank Riedel wrote: > I'D LIKE THIS VERSION > Easy to get into and still something to look through ! > Here's an experiment for you to try. Put a chair far away enough from a wall so you could easily manipulate a switch with your arm fully extended. Now move the chair back 10 inches. See the problem? > keep up the good work Thanks! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Oct 29 09:06:15 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] windscreen frame... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Frank Riedel wrote: > Okay > The second solution.... what about making the aft canopy smaller > As this is only for looking good ! ! ! > You've lost me Frank. I'm not sure what you mean. The canopy length is of course dictated by the length of the canopy rails. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From frank at rezultat.dk Wed Oct 29 09:18:39 2008 From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:18:39 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] windscreen frame... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I try an other way to explain ""The second option is to move the windscreen frame aft to it's "proper" position. This would reduce the cockpit opening length from 35" to about 27."" Isn't this okay - if not make the back end 8" shorter ! Frank -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af Gene Buckle Sendt: 29. oktober 2008 17:06 Til: Simulator Cockpit tech list Emne: Re: [simpits-tech] windscreen frame... On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Frank Riedel wrote: > Okay > The second solution.... what about making the aft canopy smaller > As this is only for looking good ! ! ! > You've lost me Frank. I'm not sure what you mean. The canopy length is of course dictated by the length of the canopy rails. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Oct 29 09:26:40 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] windscreen frame... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I try an other way to explain > > ""The second option is to move the windscreen frame aft to it's "proper" > position. This would reduce the cockpit opening length from 35" to about > 27."" > > Isn't this okay - if not make the back end 8" shorter ! > The back end needs to remain in the position it's in or a whole rash of things need to be moved that would be a huge hassle. The only problem I have with it is people may not like having that short of an opening to get in and out of. The windscreen is patterned after the Me-109 - the cockpit opening in that aircraft is 22 inches wide and 27.5 inches long. Pretty tiny by today's standard. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Oct 29 10:33:47 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:33:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] windscreen frame... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > The question I have for you guys - would you rather have a windscreen & > articulated canopy or a huge hole to hop in & out of? > Why not just hinge the windscreen forward ? -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From frank at rezultat.dk Wed Oct 29 09:40:41 2008 From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:40:41 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] windscreen frame... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7382FA4F74694474AFE1063CDFAAA561@frankzepto> Yea... or make it slide able Frank -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af Roy Coates Sendt: 29. oktober 2008 18:34 Til: Simulator Cockpit tech list Emne: Re: [simpits-tech] windscreen frame... On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > The question I have for you guys - would you rather have a windscreen & > articulated canopy or a huge hole to hop in & out of? > Why not just hinge the windscreen forward ? -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Oct 29 09:41:47 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] windscreen frame... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >> >> The question I have for you guys - would you rather have a windscreen & >> articulated canopy or a huge hole to hop in & out of? >> > > > Why not just hinge the windscreen forward ? > Because of how it mates to the lower fuselage, I can't hinge it there, BUT I could hinge it on the side. That would allow me to locate things in the right spot while still allowing a bit more room to enter/exit. Thanks for the idea Roy. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Oct 29 10:52:10 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:52:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] windscreen frame... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > Why not just hinge the windscreen forward ? > > > > Because of how it mates to the lower fuselage, I can't hinge it there, BUT > I could hinge it on the side. That would allow me to locate things in the > right spot while still allowing a bit more room to enter/exit. > > Thanks for the idea Roy. Remember what I did with my 1st simpit? I ended up with a removal side hatch for people not willing to 'hoik' themselves over the side. An easier alternative is a large sign reading "No Salad Dodgers!" -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Oct 29 09:52:37 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] windscreen frame... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Roy Coates wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >>> Why not just hinge the windscreen forward ? >>> >> >> Because of how it mates to the lower fuselage, I can't hinge it there, BUT >> I could hinge it on the side. That would allow me to locate things in the >> right spot while still allowing a bit more room to enter/exit. >> >> Thanks for the idea Roy. > > > Remember what I did with my 1st simpit? I ended up with a removal side > hatch for people not willing to 'hoik' themselves over the side. > > An easier alternative is a large sign reading "No Salad Dodgers!" > Hehee. If this thing had side consoles I might entertain the "portly portal", but it doesn't. It would require all sorts of nightmarish crap on the part of the builder to properly mount the throttle quadrant if the side came off. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Oct 29 11:51:20 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:51:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [simpits-tech] windscreen frame... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > Hehee. If this thing had side consoles I might entertain the "portly > portal", but it doesn't. It would require all sorts of nightmarish crap > on the part of the builder to properly mount the throttle quadrant if the > side came off. :) Bah... real pilots don't need a throttle quadrant, they just yank the end of the cable with their teeth... -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 15:19:00 2008 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:19:00 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] windscreen frame... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roy you could do both on the side (dealers choise) put in a hinged door, you would have to mount any thing on the side rail to the door, but it would be a snap!! or just do what we do in the USAF put in higed toe plates. not to hard to make (hee, hee, they just have to support your weight!!) Cris Harrison www.phoenixcomm.net/~phnx2000/sim www.phoenixaerospace.us On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Gene Buckle wrote: > > I spent some time last night working on a windscreen for the cockpit > plans. > > http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/windscreen_test.jpg > > The form of the windscreen isn't final and all the components for it are > not present. > > It's current position makes it flush with the existing canopy rails. > > This would result in the instrument panel being pushed 10" forward of its > current location, making it unreachable without leaning pretty far > forward. > > There are two ways to handle this - the first is to just leave it alone > and not have a windscreen or articulated canopy. > > The second option is to move the windscreen frame aft to it's "proper" > position. This would reduce the cockpit opening length from 35" to about > 27. > > The question I have for you guys - would you rather have a windscreen & > articulated canopy or a huge hole to hop in & out of? > > g. > > > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20081029/b6e1587f/attachment.html