From alex at flyinglow.ca  Fri May  2 19:33:06 2008
From: alex at flyinglow.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?alex?=)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 20:33:06 -0600
Subject: [simpits-tech] This guy needs a sim-pit....
Message-ID: <20080503023306.11549.qmail@s412.sureserver.com>

Not sure how many spotted this guy, but he needs a hobby....

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/tech/2008/05/02/koltnow.innovative.vehicle.WFMZ


Alex
http://www.flyinglow.ca

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon May  5 08:34:55 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 08:34:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Interesting U2 cockpit tour...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805050832540.18731@grumble.deltasoft.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBK0CP509UY

I'm on a mailing list for a custom-designed R/C transmitter encoder board 
called the MicroStar 2000.  One of the list members is an active duty U2 
pilot and a list-member posted this video today.

I've asked the U2 guy if he can tell me the dimensions of the glass 
displays.  They look very much like COTS 16:9 displays that have been 
rotated 90 degrees.

g.


-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Tue May  6 14:07:23 2008
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 22:07:23 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Old Warbird IFF ?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805062204310.14289-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>



Apologies for the cross post - I'm too lazy to cut'n'paste this.

I've just acquired an old IFF controller which I was told was from a
1950's aircraft but given that this is american built, I presume it's from
an american warbird.

Is anyone familiar with model numbers like J-501, C-1159/APX-68  or
C-544/APX-6 ??

Thanks,

Roy.


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue May  6 15:45:00 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:45:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Old Warbird IFF ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805062204310.14289-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805062204310.14289-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805061543030.24380@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Apologies for the cross post - I'm too lazy to cut'n'paste this.
>
> I've just acquired an old IFF controller which I was told was from a
> 1950's aircraft but given that this is american built, I presume it's from
> an american warbird.
>
> Is anyone familiar with model numbers like J-501, C-1159/APX-68  or
> C-544/APX-6 ??
>

http://stinet.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA030839


Here's another good link Roy:

http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/jetds/an-apt2apy.html

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From phoenixcomm at gmail.com  Tue May  6 18:57:26 2008
From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 20:57:26 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Old Warbird IFF ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805061543030.24380@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805062204310.14289-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805061543030.24380@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <cc93494c0805061857r3560726ej8bef4d387989d086@mail.gmail.com>

try this link might be helpful
www.tpub.com/content/elecgentestequip/TM-11-6625-667-12/TM-11-6625-667-120028.htm

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:

> > Apologies for the cross post - I'm too lazy to cut'n'paste this.
> >
> > I've just acquired an old IFF controller which I was told was from a
> > 1950's aircraft but given that this is american built, I presume it's
> from
> > an american warbird.
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with model numbers like J-501, C-1159/APX-68  or
> > C-544/APX-6 ??
> >
>
>
> http://stinet.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier?A030839
>
>
> Here's another good link Roy:
>
> http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/jetds/an-apt2apy.html
>
> g.
>
> --
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu May  8 06:41:50 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 06:41:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] U2 MFD dimensions...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805080637290.10081@grumble.deltasoft.com>

Direct from a driver:

---
MFD dimensions:


Just the glass is 6.5 by 8.5

8 by 10 if you add in the bezel buttons and the trim.
---

These could be built pretty easily using surplus LCD monitors rotated 90 
degrees.

g.


-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Thu May  8 06:05:50 2008
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:05:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] U2 MFD dimensions...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805080637290.10081@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805081405020.17186-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Thu, 8 May 2008, Gene Buckle wrote:

> Direct from a driver:
>
> ---
> MFD dimensions:
>
>
> Just the glass is 6.5 by 8.5
>
> 8 by 10 if you add in the bezel buttons and the trim.
> ---
>
> These could be built pretty easily using surplus LCD monitors rotated 90
> degrees.


Don't know about the USofA but 'small' LCD screens are fetching big money
over here. Even really grotty secondhand stuff (eftpos etc) is fetching
good money.


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu May  8 07:49:42 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 07:49:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] U2 MFD dimensions...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805081405020.17186-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805081405020.17186-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805080743570.11887@grumble.deltasoft.com>

>> Direct from a driver:
>>
>> ---
>> MFD dimensions:
>>
>>
>> Just the glass is 6.5 by 8.5
>>
>> 8 by 10 if you add in the bezel buttons and the trim.
>> ---
>>
>> These could be built pretty easily using surplus LCD monitors rotated 90
>> degrees.
>
>
> Don't know about the USofA but 'small' LCD screens are fetching big money
> over here. Even really grotty secondhand stuff (eftpos etc) is fetching
> good money.
>

I did some checking on EarthLCD and you're right, the prices for the 
"right" sized displays is pretty steep.  However, becuase there is a lot 
of room around the display, you could use a used 14" or 15" LCD panel 
behind the instrument panel.  You'd have to rotate the image displayed of 
course, but at that point you're working with custom software anyway.

g.


  -- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Thu May  8 07:02:02 2008
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:02:02 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] U2 MFD dimensions...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805080743570.11887@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805081500480.17186-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Thu, 8 May 2008, Gene Buckle wrote:

> I did some checking on EarthLCD and you're right

of course I'm bloody right - that is never in question!


> the prices for the
> "right" sized displays is pretty steep.  However, becuase there is a lot
> of room around the display, you could use a used 14" or 15" LCD panel
> behind the instrument panel.  You'd have to rotate the image displayed of
> course, but at that point you're working with custom software anyway.

Hobbyist pit-building is a never ending list of compromises but this is
where the ingenuity often comes into play and makes it so much more fun
:-)

(fun aka hard)


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu May  8 08:13:03 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 08:13:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] U2 MFD dimensions...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805081500480.17186-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805081500480.17186-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805080806260.12683@grumble.deltasoft.com>

>> the prices for the
>> "right" sized displays is pretty steep.  However, becuase there is a lot
>> of room around the display, you could use a used 14" or 15" LCD panel
>> behind the instrument panel.  You'd have to rotate the image displayed of
>> course, but at that point you're working with custom software anyway.
>
> Hobbyist pit-building is a never ending list of compromises but this is
> where the ingenuity often comes into play and makes it so much more fun
> :-)
>
> (fun aka hard)
>

Yep.  The wonderful thing about banging your head against the wall is how 
nice it feels when you stop. :)

I'm hoping to get a few more parts done this week so I can cut a prototype 
of the "single place, prop fighter" cockpit.  I'm still debating on 
whether or not to put your little "door" in the side, or make 'em build a 
small entry ladder. :)   The distance from the floor to the canopy rail is 
(AFAIR) less than 30" so it shouldn't be that big of a deal.  The 
instrument panel is going to be a bit small, but for the most part they 
all were in those single seat fighters.

I can't recall if I posted the pics here, but this is what it looks like:
http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/prop%20cockpit%20-%20exploded.jpg

The aft canopy-shaped arch is only 8" long.  I've managed to keep the 
whole thing at 72" overall.  Width at the widest point is 44".

g.



  -- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Thu May  8 07:21:40 2008
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:21:40 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] U2 MFD dimensions...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805080806260.12683@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805081519580.17186-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Thu, 8 May 2008, Gene Buckle wrote:

> Yep.  The wonderful thing about banging your head against the wall is how
> nice it feels when you stop. :)

That's one way of putting it.

For me, the serious head-banging will end soon. Curiously, this will
coincide with the end of the welding ;-)


> I'm still debating on whether or not to put your little "door" in the
> side, or make 'em build a small entry ladder.

The side door was an afterthought - required to cope with young ladies
wearing skirts (only the modest ones that is). Being in a uni environment
there was also the health and safety aspect too.


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Thu May  8 08:29:18 2008
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 11:29:18 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] U2 MFD dimensions...
Message-ID: <2db8aac91f254ff28d5f277b7aadb925.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

I can't wait to see the prototype built! I think this is a great idea. A WWII fighter would be a great place to start for a 
simpit - nice and simple.

Brian


>------- Original Message -------
>From    : Gene Buckle[mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com]
>Sent    : 5/8/2008 11:13:03 AM
>To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
>Cc      : 
>Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] U2 MFD dimensions...
>
 >>> the prices for the
>> "right" sized displays is pretty steep.  However, becuase there is a lot
>> of room around the display, you could use a used 14" or 15" LCD panel
>> behind the instrument panel.  You'd have to rotate the image displayed of
>> course, but at that point you're working with custom software anyway.
>
> Hobbyist pit-building is a never ending list of compromises but this is
> where the ingenuity often comes into play and makes it so much more fun
> :-)
>
> (fun aka hard)
>

Yep.  The wonderful thing about banging your head against the wall is how 
nice it feels when you stop. :)

I'm hoping to get a few more parts done this week so I can cut a prototype 
of the "single place, prop fighter" cockpit.  I'm still debating on 
whether or not to put your little "door" in the side, or make 'em build a 
small entry ladder. :)   The distance from the floor to the canopy rail is 
(AFAIR) less than 30" so it shouldn't be that big of a deal.  The 
instrument panel is going to be a bit small, but for the most part they 
all were in those single seat fighters.

I can't recall if I posted the pics here, but this is what it looks like:
 http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/prop%20cockpit%20-%20exploded.jpg 

The aft canopy-shaped arch is only 8" long.  I've managed to keep the 
whole thing at 72" overall.  Width at the widest point is 44".

g.



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 http://www.f15sim.com  - The only one of its kind.
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Thu May  8 07:52:37 2008
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:52:37 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Old Warbird IFF ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805061543030.24380@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805081552010.17186-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>



Thanks to all - it would appear that during the 50's and 60's the Brits
used a lot of American gear and so this is, after all, a period item
suitable for my Sea Hawk :-)


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu May  8 09:13:48 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 09:13:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] U2 MFD dimensions...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805081519580.17186-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805081519580.17186-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805080912420.14337@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> For me, the serious head-banging will end soon. Curiously, this will
> coincide with the end of the welding ;-)
>
Have you taken any work-in-progress pics yet? :)

> The side door was an afterthought - required to cope with young ladies
> wearing skirts (only the modest ones that is). Being in a uni environment
> there was also the health and safety aspect too.
>

Ahh, ok.  Well if nothing else it's a great excuse to use more of that 
neat black & yellow striped warning tape. :)

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu May  8 09:30:46 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 09:30:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] U2 MFD dimensions...
In-Reply-To: <2db8aac91f254ff28d5f277b7aadb925.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <2db8aac91f254ff28d5f277b7aadb925.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805080914160.14337@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> I can't wait to see the prototype built! I think this is a great idea. A 
> WWII fighter would be a great place to start for a simpit - nice and 
> simple.

That was the hope.  The shell is based on a common car seat so it should 
be easy for people to fit out.  Barring any weirdness, this version should 
come in under $200 for the short kit.

I will still need to work out things like how to install the flight 
control stick, throttle and trim wheels.  I still have to sit down and 
design the trim wheels and their bracket - the idea is to have them live 
on the floor on the left hand side of the cockpit.  I need to look at 
making little sprockets as well so you can hook 'em up to a pot via a 
chain.

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Thu May  8 08:36:23 2008
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 16:36:23 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] U2 MFD dimensions...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805080912420.14337@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805081635480.17186-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Thu, 8 May 2008, Gene Buckle wrote:

> Have you taken any work-in-progress pics yet? :)

some, but it's so darned ugly in its naked state that I've refrained!



> Ahh, ok.  Well if nothing else it's a great excuse to use more of that
> neat black & yellow striped warning tape. :)

You simply cannot use too much of that stuff.


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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From jimsturs at parambus.com  Thu May  8 09:58:04 2008
From: jimsturs at parambus.com (Jims Parambus Account)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 18:58:04 +0200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Warning about using "older" LCD Displays
Message-ID: <002301c8b12c$aea649f0$6a00a8c0@RITASYS1>

Hi All.

 

Just wanted to make sure that everyone is aware that early LCD

displays had reasonably good viewing angles in the horizontal

direction but were very restricted in the vertical direction. This

gives major problems when trying to use one of these displays

rotated through 90 degrees. As an example, I tried using a LCD

display from an old Compaq notebook rotated to give me the

center CDU for my B737-800 sim. The result was that it was not

possible to view this center display from either captain or F/O

seat positions. I am sure that those of us who used the older

notebooks remember how you had to be within a limited vertical

position to read the screen properly.

 

So; Be Warned. If purchasing an older display for rotated viewing,

check that this gives a good enough viewing angle before parting

with any money.

 

Most, but not all, modern LCDs have much less of a problem, but

if you need to use it to view at an oblique angle, try and check it first.

 

It is interesting to see the face of a salesman when you put the display

on its side to look at it, especially if it is attached to a notebook
system.

 

Jim. 

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu May  8 10:03:01 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:03:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Warning about using "older" LCD Displays
In-Reply-To: <002301c8b12c$aea649f0$6a00a8c0@RITASYS1>
References: <002301c8b12c$aea649f0$6a00a8c0@RITASYS1>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805081002150.15244@grumble.deltasoft.com>

>
> Just wanted to make sure that everyone is aware that early LCD
>
> displays had reasonably good viewing angles in the horizontal
>
> direction but were very restricted in the vertical direction. This
>

Great info Jim!  Was the panel you tried a "standard" TFT or was it the 
style they used before TFT became common?

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From jimsturs at parambus.com  Fri May  9 04:16:54 2008
From: jimsturs at parambus.com (Jims Parambus Account)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 13:16:54 +0200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Warning about using "older" LCD Displays
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805081002150.15244@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <002301c8b12c$aea649f0$6a00a8c0@RITASYS1>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805081002150.15244@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <002001c8b1c6$304af980$6a00a8c0@RITASYS1>

The screen was obtained by taking a Compaq LTE5300 notebook and
removing everything from the case. Then discarding the keyboard
and using the rest of the system re-organised behing the MIP and
connected to the rest of the system via the 10/100 ethernet port.

Ended up turning the screen back to nornmal orientation and losing
the proper positioning of the MIP layout because of the width of
the screens.

The display was a 10.4 inch diagonal standard 4:3 ratio with
800x600 resolution. Certainly this would have been before normal
TFT monitors became available.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: 08 May 2008 19:03
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Warning about using "older" LCD Displays

>
> Just wanted to make sure that everyone is aware that early LCD
>
> displays had reasonably good viewing angles in the horizontal
>
> direction but were very restricted in the vertical direction. This
>

Great info Jim!  Was the panel you tried a "standard" TFT or was it the 
style they used before TFT became common?

g.

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From idekkers at gmail.com  Fri May  9 05:08:48 2008
From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:08:48 +0200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Warning about using "older" LCD Displays
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don't you need a dedicated graphics card to run a laptop display ?

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Jims Parambus Account <jimsturs at parambus.com>
wrote:

> The screen was obtained by taking a Compaq LTE5300 notebook and
> removing everything from the case. Then discarding the keyboard
> and using the rest of the system re-organised behing the MIP and
> connected to the rest of the system via the 10/100 ethernet port.
>
> Ended up turning the screen back to nornmal orientation and losing
> the proper positioning of the MIP layout because of the width of
> the screens.
>
> The display was a 10.4 inch diagonal standard 4:3 ratio with
> 800x600 resolution. Certainly this would have been before normal
> TFT monitors became available.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
> Sent: 08 May 2008 19:03
> To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Warning about using "older" LCD Displays
>
> >
> > Just wanted to make sure that everyone is aware that early LCD
> >
> > displays had reasonably good viewing angles in the horizontal
> >
> > direction but were very restricted in the vertical direction. This
> >
>
> Great info Jim!  Was the panel you tried a "standard" TFT or was it the
> style they used before TFT became common?
>
> g.
>
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri May  9 06:30:56 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 06:30:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Warning about using "older" LCD Displays
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> The screen was obtained by taking a Compaq LTE5300 notebook and
> removing everything from the case. Then discarding the keyboard
> and using the rest of the system re-organised behing the MIP and
> connected to the rest of the system via the 10/100 ethernet port.
>
Slick!

> The display was a 10.4 inch diagonal standard 4:3 ratio with
> 800x600 resolution. Certainly this would have been before normal
> TFT monitors became available.
>
I wonder then if the rotated viewing angle restriction is a symptom of 
non-TFT displays.  Anyone got a laptop handy they can flip over and tell 
us? :)

g.
  -- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri May  9 06:32:18 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 06:32:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Warning about using "older" LCD Displays
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On Fri, 9 May 2008, Ido Dekkers wrote:

> don't you need a dedicated graphics card to run a laptop display ?
>
Ido, I think what he did was to strip the laptop of it's case and misc. 
other bits and ended up with just the laptop motherboard (and it's display 
controller) connected to the display.

g.
  -- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From jimsturs at parambus.com  Fri May  9 12:09:20 2008
From: jimsturs at parambus.com (Jims Parambus Account)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 21:09:20 +0200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Warning about using "older" LCD Displays
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You got it in one Gene.

I have some pics of the setup but no website of my own to
post them on. Anyone out there with a facility to make a
link to the pics if I email the pics to them as attachments?

Jim.

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[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: 09 May 2008 15:32
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Warning about using "older" LCD Displays

On Fri, 9 May 2008, Ido Dekkers wrote:

> don't you need a dedicated graphics card to run a laptop display ?
>
Ido, I think what he did was to strip the laptop of it's case and misc. 
other bits and ended up with just the laptop motherboard (and it's display 
controller) connected to the display.

g.
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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Fri May  9 12:34:30 2008
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 07:34:30 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Warning about using "older" LCD Displays
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At 07:09 a.m. 10/05/2008, you wrote:
>You got it in one Gene.
>
>I have some pics of the setup but no website of my own to
>post them on. Anyone out there with a facility to make a
>link to the pics if I email the pics to them as attachments?


Hey Jim,

http://picasa.google.com/

Easy to upload organise and link to :)


SeanG




From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Fri May  9 12:37:51 2008
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 07:37:51 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Warning about using "older" LCD Displays
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At 07:09 a.m. 10/05/2008, you wrote:
>You got it in one Gene.
>
>I have some pics of the setup but no website of my own to
>post them on. Anyone out there with a facility to make a
>link to the pics if I email the pics to them as attachments?

Oops.. I meant the "web albumns" bit.....  http://picasaweb.google.com/

Sean <who should think more clearly in the morning...> G


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri May  9 12:57:38 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:57:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Warning about using "older" LCD Displays
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> You got it in one Gene.
>
> I have some pics of the setup but no website of my own to
> post them on. Anyone out there with a facility to make a
> link to the pics if I email the pics to them as attachments?
>

Sure.  You can either email me the pics, or I can get a site set up for 
you to upload 'em to.  There's advantages to running my own webservers. :)

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From rhommel at mad.scientist.com  Fri May  9 20:18:04 2008
From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com (Rob Hommel)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:18:04 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Warning about using "older" LCD Displays
Message-ID: <20080510031804.3644511581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>

Has anyone done business with these folks? I have been meaning to contact them about pricing.
http://www.lcdshow.com/3.5_6.4-10.4_LCD/LCD.htm

Keep 'em Flying
Rob Hommel

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From chevello at rcn.com  Fri May  9 20:45:48 2008
From: chevello at rcn.com (KD)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 23:45:48 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Lurk over
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OK so I just caught up on a couple of weeks' worth of the list, and have 
a few tidbits to throw in.

Gene, on your RC remote video aircraft, you have me wondering if you 
have found a real F-15 to fly from the pit in the shed. I'm thinking FAA 
clearance might be tough to get for that... :)

I like the idea of a simple pit kit. I couldn't spend the cash for one, 
but then I am handy, have 3 kids, and drive an hour and a half o get 
home from work. My money is being used by the clothing store, grocery 
store, and Exxon. You might do as said before, offering plans for 
different types (I see you already have that) and offering kits in 
steps. You know, get the Fuselage kit first, then the IP kit, then the 
side console kit, Canopy kit and so forth. Or the kits in stages. Buy 
the fuselage and add your own IP, side consoles, whatever. I would 
design so that the seat can be anything from a real NACES or ACES to an 
extra orange crate that someone might have hanging around, or those 
cheap blow-molded dunebuggy seats they sell at Summit for 89 bucks. I 
prefer a car seat though for mine I have a sim seat I pulled out of the 
scrap at work. Possibly think about one fuselage section with different 
IPs for various acft that all fit in the same one. Then, as someone's 
sim life progresses (as from Target drone, manned, non-maneuvering to 
fast jet) he can buy other IPs to add to his already purchased pit. Not 
really a money maker, but something people sometimes consider when 
buying "Is it upgradeable?" Consider selling the kit of only the tough 
to make parts. Things that you would need to use the shop-bot for unless 
truly a jigsaw sadist. Long skinny parts or square-ish parts would 
arrive as templates along with the ribs. Maybe even make the templates 
out of 1/4" masonite or something easier (cheaper) to ship. What about 
entire template kits? All 1/4" masonite or MDF. Trace and cut! It's easy 
to build your own sim pit! Just a few suggestions that I thought of 
while reading.

LCDs vs. mechanical gauges: Mechanical gauges have "the LOOK" It's what 
we all really want. It increases the depth of the simming experience. 
The simkits and others have their limitations, and sometimes it doesn't 
make sense to build a whole nother computer or two just to run gauges. 
LCDs have their limiotations too. SOmeone mentioned viewing angles, and 
another mentioned yoke clearance. These are things that we deal with at 
work every time we build a new pit at work. Most aircraft don't have the 
IP arranged so that you can use a single LCD, or even a pair of them if 
you are trying to make your sim really look like what it is supposed to 
be. I am constantly arranging and rearranging instruments so that I can 
fit things on a screen. Thank the good Lord for the internet. It makes 
communicating with the software guys in Poland easiER than it would be 
otherwise. There is a patented process called Tannas-Sizing where they 
actually cut the LCD screen to make it the correct shape and size for 
what is needed. From what I have been told, they first cut one glass, 
then flip the screen and cut the other. When they break it, they have to 
be REALLY careful, and they have to pay a licensing fee to the owner of 
the patent. Then, they seal up the cut edge and put the whole thing back 
together. The shop-bot has me wondering if this would be possible to do 
without hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment. Would it be 
possible to put a glass cutter on the shop bot and cut the glass in a 
perfectly straight line, then do it again on the back glass? That 
reminds me. You guys should see the 20"x8" F-35 display we just bought. 
It is a thing of beauty made from 2 monitors. Sometimes a combo of steam 
gauges and LCDs is what we do. If there are just one or two instruments 
that I absolutely need, and NO way to get them on a screen behind the 
IP, then we put mechanicals in.

One of the most difficult things to do is to get buttons in front of the 
screen. I have a half dozen different things that I do to get the screen 
close to the back of the IP bezel, and still fit switches like for the 
MFD or knobs for the baro alt or horizon adjust. I could tell you them, 
but then..well, you know... ;)

So there are my comments, and I hope you enjoyed them. I need to go 
think about how to get my servos and drives working for my pit controls. 
It's just a little Akers-Barnes, but I want a floor stick not a side stick.

Anyone else going to the Andrews AFB air show next weekend? I'll be 
there on Friday. I have to go take measurements and pictures of the F-35 
Full scale mockup. I have to do that now that I am done designing our 
F-35 module. Go figure. NOW I get information.

Please ignore extra commas in the above. I am tired and need to breathe 
more often when I am tired.

K



From jimsturs at parambus.com  Fri May  9 23:23:22 2008
From: jimsturs at parambus.com (Jims Parambus Account)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 08:23:22 +0200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Warning about using "older" LCD Displays
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Thanks Sean,

If I have got it right, then links are here:


http://picasaweb.google.nl/dymojim/SharedB737SimFotos/photo#5198624432173466
978
 

http://picasaweb.google.nl/dymojim/SharedB737SimFotos/photo#5198624427878499
666


Jim

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[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Sean Galbraith
Sent: 09 May 2008 21:38
To: jimsturs at parambus.com; Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Warning about using "older" LCD Displays

At 07:09 a.m. 10/05/2008, you wrote:
>You got it in one Gene.
>
>I have some pics of the setup but no website of my own to
>post them on. Anyone out there with a facility to make a
>link to the pics if I email the pics to them as attachments?

Oops.. I meant the "web albumns" bit.....  http://picasaweb.google.com/

Sean <who should think more clearly in the morning...> G

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From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Sat May 10 05:24:07 2008
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 00:24:07 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Warning about using "older" LCD Displays
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At 06:23 p.m. 10/05/2008, you wrote:
>Thanks Sean,
>
>If I have got it right, then links are here:

Yup, they work just nicely :)

Is that Project Magenta on the PFD?

SeanG


From jimsturs at parambus.com  Sat May 10 08:50:34 2008
From: jimsturs at parambus.com (Jims Parambus Account)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 17:50:34 +0200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Warning about using "older" LCD Displays
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Sure is. Says so in one of the captions.

Jim.

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Sent: 10 May 2008 14:24
To: jimsturs at parambus.com; Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Warning about using "older" LCD Displays

At 06:23 p.m. 10/05/2008, you wrote:
>Thanks Sean,
>
>If I have got it right, then links are here:

Yup, they work just nicely :)

Is that Project Magenta on the PFD?

SeanG

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sat May 10 09:22:49 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:22:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Lurk over
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> arrive as templates along with the ribs. Maybe even make the templates
> out of 1/4" masonite or something easier (cheaper) to ship. What about
> entire template kits? All 1/4" masonite or MDF. Trace and cut! It's easy
> to build your own sim pit! Just a few suggestions that I thought of
> while reading.
>
Now THIS is an interesting idea!  Include a few screw holes for attaching 
the template to the raw material and Joe Builder could use a cheap router 
to cut the ribs out with.  I could make templates for all the "hard" 
parts....

> otherwise. There is a patented process called Tannas-Sizing where they
> actually cut the LCD screen to make it the correct shape and size for
> what is needed. From what I have been told, they first cut one glass,
> then flip the screen and cut the other. When they break it, they have to
> be REALLY careful, and they have to pay a licensing fee to the owner of
> the patent. Then, they seal up the cut edge and put the whole thing back
> together. The shop-bot has me wondering if this would be possible to do
> without hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment. Would it be
> possible to put a glass cutter on the shop bot and cut the glass in a
> perfectly straight line, then do it again on the back glass? That

I wouldn't do it on the 'bot - it's not precise enough.  The laser 
engraver can be used to score the glass for breaking though.  It's used 
that way when doing stained glass parts.

Cutting down an LCD is a very tricky process.  If memory serves, it also 
requires a clean room.

> there on Friday. I have to go take measurements and pictures of the F-35
> Full scale mockup. I have to do that now that I am done designing our
> F-35 module. Go figure. NOW I get information.
>
Can you pass those dimensions and pics on to me? :)

g.


-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sat May 10 09:24:27 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:24:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Warning about using "older" LCD Displays
In-Reply-To: <005001c8b266$590f91a0$6a00a8c0@RITASYS1>
References: <002301c8b12c$aea649f0$6a00a8c0@RITASYS1><Pine.LNX.4.64.0805081002150.15244@grumble.deltasoft.com><002001c8b1c6$304af980$6a00a8c0@RITASYS1><39e5de8d0805090508t3364a350m7a7fbe02b2a5ff16@mail.gmail.com><Pine.LNX.4.64.0805090631240.5957@grumble.deltasoft.com><004201c8b208$2f92ee20$6a00a8c0@RITASYS1>
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>
> If I have got it right, then links are here:
>
>
> http://picasaweb.google.nl/dymojim/SharedB737SimFotos/photo#5198624432173466
> 978
>
>
> http://picasaweb.google.nl/dymojim/SharedB737SimFotos/photo#5198624427878499
> 666
>

Very nicely done Jim!

g.

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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sat May 10 16:22:20 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:22:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] prototype cutting...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805101621400.10226@grumble.deltasoft.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtIsqST9KhU

This is about an hour into it.  Just about done with the 22 ribs that make 
up both sides...

keep your fingers crossed guys. :)

g.


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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 19:36:14 2008
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 19:36:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Lurk over
In-Reply-To: <mailman.633.1210400614.3162.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Message-ID: <249551.70989.qm@web52010.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Ill be at the Ft. Smith show with my sim this weekend. It will be their first show since they transfered from F-16s to A-10s.
   
  Justin


  
From: KD <chevello at rcn.com>
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 23:45:48 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Lurk over

OK so I just caught up on a couple of weeks' worth of the list, and have 
a few tidbits to throw in.

Gene, on your RC remote video aircraft, you have me wondering if you 
have found a real F-15 to fly from the pit in the shed. I'm thinking FAA 
clearance might be tough to get for that... :)

I like the idea of a simple pit kit. I couldn't spend the cash for one, 
but then I am handy, have 3 kids, and drive an hour and a half o get 
home from work. My money is being used by the clothing store, grocery 
store, and Exxon. You might do as said before, offering plans for 
different types (I see you already have that) and offering kits in 
steps. You know, get the Fuselage kit first, then the IP kit, then the 
side console kit, Canopy kit and so forth. Or the kits in stages. Buy 
the fuselage and add your own IP, side consoles, whatever. I would 
design so that the seat can be anything from a real NACES or ACES to an 
extra orange crate that someone might have hanging around, or those 
cheap blow-molded dunebuggy seats they sell at Summit for 89 bucks. I 
prefer a car seat though for mine I have a sim seat I pulled out of the 
scrap at work. Possibly think about one fuselage section with different 
IPs for various acft that all fit in the same one. Then, as someone's 
sim life progresses (as from Target drone, manned, non-maneuvering to 
fast jet) he can buy other IPs to add to his already purchased pit. Not 
really a money maker, but something people sometimes consider when 
buying "Is it upgradeable?" Consider selling the kit of only the tough 
to make parts. Things that you would need to use the shop-bot for unless 
truly a jigsaw sadist. Long skinny parts or square-ish parts would 
arrive as templates along with the ribs. Maybe even make the templates 
out of 1/4" masonite or something easier (cheaper) to ship. What about 
entire template kits? All 1/4" masonite or MDF. Trace and cut! It's easy 
to build your own sim pit! Just a few suggestions that I thought of 
while reading.

LCDs vs. mechanical gauges: Mechanical gauges have "the LOOK" It's what 
we all really want. It increases the depth of the simming experience. 
The simkits and others have their limitations, and sometimes it doesn't 
make sense to build a whole nother computer or two just to run gauges. 
LCDs have their limiotations too. SOmeone mentioned viewing angles, and 
another mentioned yoke clearance. These are things that we deal with at 
work every time we build a new pit at work. Most aircraft don't have the 
IP arranged so that you can use a single LCD, or even a pair of them if 
you are trying to make your sim really look like what it is supposed to 
be. I am constantly arranging and rearranging instruments so that I can 
fit things on a screen. Thank the good Lord for the internet. It makes 
communicating with the software guys in Poland easiER than it would be 
otherwise. There is a patented process called Tannas-Sizing where they 
actually cut the LCD screen to make it the correct shape and size for 
what is needed. From what I have been told, they first cut one glass, 
then flip the screen and cut the other. When they break it, they have to 
be REALLY careful, and they have to pay a licensing fee to the owner of 
the patent. Then, they seal up the cut edge and put the whole thing back 
together. The shop-bot has me wondering if this would be possible to do 
without hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment. Would it be 
possible to put a glass cutter on the shop bot and cut the glass in a 
perfectly straight line, then do it again on the back glass? That 
reminds me. You guys should see the 20"x8" F-35 display we just bought. 
It is a thing of beauty made from 2 monitors. Sometimes a combo of steam 
gauges and LCDs is what we do. If there are just one or two instruments 
that I absolutely need, and NO way to get them on a screen behind the 
IP, then we put mechanicals in.

One of the most difficult things to do is to get buttons in front of the 
screen. I have a half dozen different things that I do to get the screen 
close to the back of the IP bezel, and still fit switches like for the 
MFD or knobs for the baro alt or horizon adjust. I could tell you them, 
but then..well, you know... ;)

So there are my comments, and I hope you enjoyed them. I need to go 
think about how to get my servos and drives working for my pit controls. 
It's just a little Akers-Barnes, but I want a floor stick not a side stick.

Anyone else going to the Andrews AFB air show next weekend? I'll be 
there on Friday. I have to go take measurements and pictures of the F-35 
Full scale mockup. I have to do that now that I am done designing our 
F-35 module. Go figure. NOW I get information.

Please ignore extra commas in the above. I am tired and need to breathe 
more often when I am tired.

K


       
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun May 11 13:20:25 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 13:20:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Left side built...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805111319250.29950@grumble.deltasoft.com>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Meu7hyy0BQ

It looks like I may have the interior geometry on this version nailed 
down.  I put the Corsica seat next to it and all the "reach zones" are 
perfect.

g.

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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Mon May 12 08:41:31 2008
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:41:31 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Lurk over
Message-ID: <26ced134045f49f7a41c6e7dd880a5a1.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Too bad I'm busy this weekend... Coulda made that one.

Seems like there's a show the end of this month... Tulsa maybe? You gonna be there?

Brian


------- Original Message -------
>From    : Justin Messenger[mailto:jjmessenger at yahoo.com]
Sent    : 5/10/2008 10:36:14 PM
To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
Cc      : 
Subject : RE: [simpits-tech] Lurk over

 Ill be at the Ft. Smith show with my sim this weekend. It will be their first show since they transfered from F-16s to A-10s.     
Justin

  
From: KD <chevello at rcn.com>
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 23:45:48 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Lurk over

OK so I just caught up on a couple of weeks' worth of the list, and have 
a few tidbits to throw in.

Gene, on your RC remote video aircraft, you have me wondering if you 
have found a real F-15 to fly from the pit in the shed. I'm thinking FAA 
clearance might be tough to get for that... :)

I like the idea of a simple pit kit. I couldn't spend the cash for one, 
but then I am handy, have 3 kids, and drive an hour and a half o get 
home from work. My money is being used by the clothing store, grocery 
store, and
 Exxon. You might do as said before, offering plans for 
different types (I see you already have that) and offering kits in 
steps. You know, get the Fuselage kit first, then the IP kit, then the 
side console kit, Canopy kit and so forth. Or the kits in stages. Buy 
the fuselage and add your own IP, side consoles, whatever. I would 
design so that the seat can be anything from a real NACES or ACES to an 
extra orange crate that someone might have hanging around, or those 
cheap blow-molded dunebuggy seats they sell at Summit for 89 bucks. I 
prefer a car seat though for mine I have a sim seat I pulled out of the 
scrap at work. Possibly think about one fuselage section with different 
IPs for various acft that all fit in the same one. Then, as someone's 
sim life progresses (as from Target drone, manned, non-maneuvering to 
fast jet) he can buy other IPs to add to his already purchased pit. Not 
really a money maker, but something
 people sometimes consider when 
buying "Is it upgradeable?" Consider selling the kit of only the tough 
to make parts. Things that you would need to use the shop-bot for unless 
truly a jigsaw sadist. Long skinny parts or square-ish parts would 
arrive as templates along with the ribs. Maybe even make the templates 
out of 1/4" masonite or something easier (cheaper) to ship. What about 
entire template kits? All 1/4" masonite or MDF. Trace and cut! It's easy 
to build your own sim pit! Just a few suggestions that I thought of 
while reading.

LCDs vs. mechanical gauges: Mechanical gauges have "the LOOK" It's what 
we all really want. It increases the depth of the simming experience. 
The simkits and others have their limitations, and sometimes it doesn't 
make sense to build a whole nother computer or two just to run gauges. 
LCDs have their limiotations too. SOmeone mentioned viewing angles, and 
another mentioned yoke
 clearance. These are things that we deal with at 
work every time we build a new pit at work. Most aircraft don't have the 
IP arranged so that you can use a single LCD, or even a pair of them if 
you are trying to make your sim really look like what it is supposed to 
be. I am constantly arranging and rearranging instruments so that I can 
fit things on a screen. Thank the good Lord for the internet. It makes 
communicating with the software guys in Poland easiER than it would be 
otherwise. There is a patented process called Tannas-Sizing where they 
actually cut the LCD screen to make it the correct shape and size for 
what is needed. From what I have been told, they first cut one glass, 
then flip the screen and cut the other. When they break it, they have to 
be REALLY careful, and they have to pay a licensing fee to the owner of 
the patent. Then, they seal up the cut edge and put the whole thing back 
together. The shop-bot has
 me wondering if this would be possible to do 
without hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment. Would it be 
possible to put a glass cutter on the shop bot and cut the glass in a 
perfectly straight line, then do it again on the back glass? That 
reminds me. You guys should see the 20"x8" F-35 display we just bought. 
It is a thing of beauty made from 2 monitors. Sometimes a combo of steam 
gauges and LCDs is what we do. If there are just one or two instruments 
that I absolutely need, and NO way to get them on a screen behind the 
IP, then we put mechanicals in.

One of the most difficult things to do is to get buttons in front of the 
screen. I have a half dozen different things that I do to get the screen 
close to the back of the IP bezel, and still fit switches like for the 
MFD or knobs for the baro alt or horizon adjust. I could tell you them, 
but then..well, you know... ;)

So there are my comments, and I hope
 you enjoyed them. I need to go 
think about how to get my servos and drives working for my pit controls. 
It's just a little Akers-Barnes, but I want a floor stick not a side stick.

Anyone else going to the Andrews AFB air show next weekend? I'll be 
there on Friday. I have to go take measurements and pictures of the F-35 
Full scale mockup. I have to do that now that I am done designing our 
F-35 module. Go figure. NOW I get information.

Please ignore extra commas in the above. I am tired and need to breathe 
more often when I am tired.

K

 

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know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.  Try it now.


From chevello at rcn.com  Tue May 13 19:25:46 2008
From: chevello at rcn.com (KD)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 22:25:46 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Wide display idea and FPGAs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.640.1210473383.3162.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
References: <mailman.640.1210473383.3162.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Message-ID: <482A4DAA.1000209@rcn.com>

Here is an interesting idea for a wide display that I saw at IITSEC last 
November. I've been meaning to tell you guys, but this last week I have 
had a chance to think about it again.

What it is, is 3 flat displays, 2 in the usual locations on each side, 
but the third is above the 2 facing down with a mirror to reflect the 
image between the 2 side displays. The one I saw was made up of 42" or 
50" plasma screens, so it was not only huge, but expensive. . The image 
was W I D E, I tell ya, and seamless. I think the mirror was curved, but 
you got a continuous image from about 2 FEET either side of center, 
making the sweet spot 4 or 5 feet wide. It would be great, if you have 
the means, for a side by side aircraft.  I've been thinking of trying it 
with small LCDs just to see if it would work. I think I have seen 
somewhere front surface mirrored lexan or plexi that could be bent to 
the curve. I don't know how to figure the curve, but if you can do it, 
it might be a neat Shopbot project to make the parts to hold the mirror.

See Gene, you buy the equipment and I'll figure out wacky ways to use it. :)

Also, have any of you guys messed around with FPGAs? I ran across them 
today, and they look like a neat thing. THere seemed to be tons of ways 
to use them in sims that flounced through my brain while I was looking 
at the projects on the page that I found. Here is where I found the info 
I was looking at. www.fpga4fun.com

K



From pascal at pascal.org  Tue May 13 19:50:20 2008
From: pascal at pascal.org (Freeman Pascal)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 20:50:20 -0600
Subject: [simpits-tech] Wide display idea and FPGAs
In-Reply-To: <482A4DAA.1000209@rcn.com>
References: <mailman.640.1210473383.3162.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
	<482A4DAA.1000209@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <B7402444-7215-4544-95D4-A79A958AE558@pascal.org>


On May 13, 2008, at 8:25 PM, KD wrote:
>
> Also, have any of you guys messed around with FPGAs? I ran across them
> today, and they look like a neat thing. THere seemed to be tons of  
> ways
> to use them in sims that flounced through my brain while I was looking
> at the projects on the page that I found. Here is where I found the  
> info
> I was looking at. www.fpga4fun.com
>
> K

Sweet, site.  Checkout the KNJN.com site.  Plenty of toys there.  The  
little Pluto boards look like fun and the price is nice.

-Freeman


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue May 13 20:30:21 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 20:30:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Wide display idea and FPGAs
In-Reply-To: <482A4DAA.1000209@rcn.com>
References: <mailman.640.1210473383.3162.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
	<482A4DAA.1000209@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805132029240.3379@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> See Gene, you buy the equipment and I'll figure out wacky ways to use it. :)
>
HEhee.  Works for me.  :)  You buying the LCDs? :)

> Also, have any of you guys messed around with FPGAs? I ran across them
> today, and they look like a neat thing. THere seemed to be tons of ways
> to use them in sims that flounced through my brain while I was looking
> at the projects on the page that I found. Here is where I found the info
> I was looking at. www.fpga4fun.com
>
FPGAs are indeed really cool, BUT they're not for the faint of heart. :)

g.

-- 
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue May 13 21:09:21 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 21:09:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] more progress!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805132109030.3583@grumble.deltasoft.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIp-QzDtjpo

g.


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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Wed May 14 13:02:14 2008
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:02:14 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] more progress!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805132109030.3583@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805132109030.3583@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <0K0V00IU1JKDPD30@smtp5.clear.net.nz>

Hey, That's looking pretty slick.  But mostly I am impressed with the 
multi-skills... Cameraman, Voice-over-guy, AND measuring tape 
operator..   We truly are not worthy ;-)

SeanG


At 04:09 p.m. 14/05/2008, you wrote:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIp-QzDtjpo
>
>g.
>
>
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From mcollins at null.net  Wed May 14 13:06:25 2008
From: mcollins at null.net (Mark Collins)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:06:25 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] more progress!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805132109030.3583@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBLEJPMLDGNEOBODGFIEGGEDAA.mcollins@null.net>

Wow...really outstanding work Gene!  How long till you get to work on a
Hughes 500 cockpit ;)

Mark

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Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:09 PM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] more progress!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIp-QzDtjpo

g.


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed May 14 13:11:34 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:11:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] more progress!
In-Reply-To: <0K0V00IU1JKDPD30@smtp5.clear.net.nz>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805132109030.3583@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<0K0V00IU1JKDPD30@smtp5.clear.net.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805141303250.8249@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Hey, That's looking pretty slick.  But mostly I am impressed with the
> multi-skills... Cameraman, Voice-over-guy, AND measuring tape
> operator..   We truly are not worthy ;-)
>
...and if I could master reading the time right the FIRST time, I'd have 
an uber-Trifecta going for sure.  Maybe it was because I couldn't find my 
left-handed tape.... (don't laugh, I've got one. *grin*)

I got a crazy idea while looking at the work so far last night.  I've got 
this A7 HUD I picked up years ago that would look really cool in that 
thing....  I may wait for the "single seat, jet" version for that though. 
"Note: HUD not included!" *laughs*

How is your project coming along Sean?

g.



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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed May 14 13:12:27 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:12:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] more progress!
In-Reply-To: <NDBBLEJPMLDGNEOBODGFIEGGEDAA.mcollins@null.net>
References: <NDBBLEJPMLDGNEOBODGFIEGGEDAA.mcollins@null.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805141311490.8249@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Wow...really outstanding work Gene!  How long till you get to work on a
Thanks!

> Hughes 500 cockpit ;)
>
That depends, when are you going to send me the dimensioned cockpit 
drawings? :)

g.

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From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 13:23:08 2008
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:23:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] airshows
In-Reply-To: <mailman.649.1210795899.3162.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Message-ID: <129518.82991.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Brian,
   
  On the 24th we'll have the T-bird sim at the Tinker Oklahoma City show. They only have flyins at Tulsa.
   
  Also, next month on Flag Day (June 14) my sim will be in a morning Parade here in Augusta Ks then both sims will be in operation for the Military Museum's open house. http://www.kmmh.org/events.htm
  There will also be a live fire power demo!
   
  In the fall it looks like we will also be at Vance though it sounds like you will be long gone!
   
  Justin
  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   
  Too bad I'm busy this weekend... Coulda made that one.

Seems like there's a show the end of this month... Tulsa maybe? You
 gonna be there?

Brian


       
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From chevello at rcn.com  Wed May 14 15:20:06 2008
From: chevello at rcn.com (KD)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:20:06 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Andrews AFB airshow
In-Reply-To: <mailman.650.1210795899.3162.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
References: <mailman.650.1210795899.3162.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Message-ID: <482B6596.4000007@rcn.com>

Gene, I already have 2 LCDs, but they are 15" ones, and one is in my 
MAME cabinet and the other mounted to the wall of my garage. I might 
just find it necessary to remove them and give the display a try though.

Bad news from today. I have to go to DC for the Andrews AFB airshow. For 
work. And it gets worse. I don't get to go for the whole day, I have to 
spend the morning at the Lockheed Fighter Demonstration Center in 
Arlington. Yeah, I have to go fly the Lockheed JSF sim. :(  Wait, it 
gets worse. When we go to the show, I'll have access to the Full Scale 
Mockup of the F-35 for measuring and picture taking. Not that I won't be 
taking pics of the sim, but I have to take shots and dims from the FSM too.

Do you guys feel my pain? Do you think they will let me fly the F-22 sim 
also? :D:D:D
Any suggestions for what sorts of aerobatics I should fly in the sims?
Oh my god, I never wanted to go to DC, but I couldn't convince anyone to 
bring the thing up to the office for me.

K

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed May 14 15:30:27 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:30:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Andrews AFB airshow
In-Reply-To: <482B6596.4000007@rcn.com>
References: <mailman.650.1210795899.3162.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
	<482B6596.4000007@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805141529110.8918@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Bad news from today. I have to go to DC for the Andrews AFB airshow. For
> work. And it gets worse. I don't get to go for the whole day, I have to
> spend the morning at the Lockheed Fighter Demonstration Center in
> Arlington. Yeah, I have to go fly the Lockheed JSF sim. :(  Wait, it
> gets worse. When we go to the show, I'll have access to the Full Scale
> Mockup of the F-35 for measuring and picture taking. Not that I won't be
> taking pics of the sim, but I have to take shots and dims from the FSM too.
>
> Do you guys feel my pain? Do you think they will let me fly the F-22 sim
> also? :D:D:D
> Any suggestions for what sorts of aerobatics I should fly in the sims?
> Oh my god, I never wanted to go to DC, but I couldn't convince anyone to
> bring the thing up to the office for me.
>

Ahh, you poor, poor man.  I hope you can withstand the strain.

You'd better bloody well publish those pics & dimensions too. *Evil Grin*

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From pascal at pascal.org  Wed May 14 19:32:19 2008
From: pascal at pascal.org (Freeman Pascal)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:32:19 -0600
Subject: [simpits-tech] Standard aviation guage sizes for a Cessna 172?
Message-ID: <078899D5-0FD2-46AF-86FE-29F35B55DA49@pascal.org>

Does anyone know what the gauge sizes are for a Cessna 172?  I assume  
they are the same for all variations of the 172 - I could be wrong.

I'm looking for the inside diameter of the holes on the instrument  
panel used to house the standard gauges and engine gauges.  My cessna  
drawing shows 79mm for the larger gauges and 56.74mm for the engine  
gauges.

If I can confirm these I can let Gene have my drawings to cut out my  
panel (*drool*).


-Freeman

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed May 14 21:22:15 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:22:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] For the F4 phans..
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805142122001.10488@grumble.deltasoft.com>


http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ORIGINAL-F-4-PHANTOM-FLIGHT-SIMULATOR-FULL-SCALE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ28268QQihZ004QQitemZ140229457983QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

g.


-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed May 14 21:29:52 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:29:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] structure completed!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805142129200.10527@grumble.deltasoft.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ioy25nYCdzc

It turned out really nice.  Saturday should see a lot more progress.

g.


-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From chris at renovo.co.nz  Thu May 15 00:00:15 2008
From: chris at renovo.co.nz (Chris Brace)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:00:15 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] Standard aviation guage sizes for a Cessna 172?
In-Reply-To: <078899D5-0FD2-46AF-86FE-29F35B55DA49@pascal.org>
Message-ID: <0K0W00G4UE4GS600@smtp5.clear.net.nz>

Hi Freeman,
Just checked mine and they are 79mm and 56mm respectively. All are the same
sizes except for the yoke hole which mine is 30.5mm
I had my panel but from 4.5mm sheet, I cant remember the name but its not
acrylic, some other stuff that is able to bend and give somewhat rather than
being brittle when bent.
Check out my sim if you'd like to see what can be done. www.chrisb.co.nz.
Look under the Gallery section.

Cheers
Chris. 

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Sent: Thursday, 15 May 2008 2:32 p.m.
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: [simpits-tech] Standard aviation guage sizes for a Cessna 172?

Does anyone know what the gauge sizes are for a Cessna 172?  I assume they
are the same for all variations of the 172 - I could be wrong.

I'm looking for the inside diameter of the holes on the instrument panel
used to house the standard gauges and engine gauges.  My cessna drawing
shows 79mm for the larger gauges and 56.74mm for the engine gauges.

If I can confirm these I can let Gene have my drawings to cut out my panel
(*drool*).


-Freeman
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From bjones at pipecomp.com.au  Thu May 15 04:21:14 2008
From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:21:14 +0900
Subject: [simpits-tech] structure completed!
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805142129200.10527@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <005801c8b67d$c9c00130$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>

Very nice action with the pointer !

Looking good.

Ben

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>
To: <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 1:29 PM
Subject: [simpits-tech] structure completed!


> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ioy25nYCdzc
>
> It turned out really nice.  Saturday should see a lot more progress.
>
> g.
>
>
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> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Thu May 15 05:13:07 2008
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:13:07 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] more progress!
In-Reply-To: <0K0V00IU1JKDPD30@smtp5.clear.net.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805151312240.29550-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Thu, 15 May 2008, Sean Galbraith wrote:

> Hey, That's looking pretty slick.  But mostly I am impressed with the
> multi-skills... Cameraman, Voice-over-guy, AND measuring tape
> operator..   We truly are not worthy ;-)
>

Yeah, but still no half-naked assistant (no, not Rob!) there to hand him
the measuring tape...

Tim (the tool man) Taylor had a much better setup.

--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Thu May 15 05:23:03 2008
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:23:03 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] structure completed!
In-Reply-To: <005801c8b67d$c9c00130$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805151322160.29550-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Thu, 15 May 2008, Ben Jones wrote:

> Very nice action with the pointer !
>

That was a stick.

No doubt it was cut with the shop-bot but it's still a stick!

I think an upgrade to laser pointer is required before we can take this
guy seriously  ;-)


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu May 15 06:59:48 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 06:59:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Standard aviation guage sizes for a Cessna 172?
In-Reply-To: <0K0W00G4UE4GS600@smtp5.clear.net.nz>
References: <0K0W00G4UE4GS600@smtp5.clear.net.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805150658300.13243@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Hi Freeman,
> Just checked mine and they are 79mm and 56mm respectively. All are the same
> sizes except for the yoke hole which mine is 30.5mm
> I had my panel but from 4.5mm sheet, I cant remember the name but its not
> acrylic, some other stuff that is able to bend and give somewhat rather than
> being brittle when bent.
> Check out my sim if you'd like to see what can be done. www.chrisb.co.nz.
> Look under the Gallery section.
>

Chris, I think he was asking for inch based measurements.  I asked him to 
send me the DXF files in that format instead of in metric. :)

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu May 15 07:02:26 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:02:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] structure completed!
In-Reply-To: <005801c8b67d$c9c00130$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805142129200.10527@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<005801c8b67d$c9c00130$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805150700500.13243@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Very nice action with the pointer !
>
*laughs*  It's all I could come up with on short notice. :)  The camera 
I'm using is a tiny little thing I got from Costco (a warehouse store) for 
$89 last year.  No zoom or other features and you can't mount it on a 
tripod (it's about the same size & shape as a pack of cigarettes) but 
it'll hold 30 minutes of video and has a built-in USB dongle.


  > Looking good.
>
Thanks!

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu May 15 07:03:29 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:03:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] more progress!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805151312240.29550-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805151312240.29550-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805150702530.13243@grumble.deltasoft.com>

>> Hey, That's looking pretty slick.  But mostly I am impressed with the
>> multi-skills... Cameraman, Voice-over-guy, AND measuring tape
>> operator..   We truly are not worthy ;-)
>>
>
> Yeah, but still no half-naked assistant (no, not Rob!) there to hand him
> the measuring tape...
>
When you can get one past YOUR SWMBO, we'll talk. :)


> Tim (the tool man) Taylor had a much better setup.
>
He had a six figure production budget too. :)

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu May 15 07:05:19 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:05:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] structure completed!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805151322160.29550-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805151322160.29550-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805150703520.13243@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> On Thu, 15 May 2008, Ben Jones wrote:
>
>> Very nice action with the pointer !
>>
>
> That was a stick.
>
Otherwise known as "Device, Pointing.  .25 Nominal Dia."

> I think an upgrade to laser pointer is required before we can take this
> guy seriously  ;-)

Aim a camera with one hand and run a laser pointer that generates a .05" 
diameter dot with the other and see how far YOU get. *grin*

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Thu May 15 06:31:37 2008
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:31:37 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] structure completed!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805150703520.13243@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805151431120.29550-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Thu, 15 May 2008, Gene Buckle wrote:

> > I think an upgrade to laser pointer is required before we can take this
> > guy seriously  ;-)
>
> Aim a camera with one hand and run a laser pointer that generates a .05"
> diameter dot with the other and see how far YOU get. *grin*

I tend to glaze over when given a laser pointer... "how far will this
thing go?"

oooh..... shiny....


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Thu May 15 06:32:08 2008
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:32:08 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] more progress!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805150702530.13243@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805151431460.29550-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Thu, 15 May 2008, Gene Buckle wrote:

> > Yeah, but still no half-naked assistant (no, not Rob!) there to hand him
> > the measuring tape...
> >
> When you can get one past YOUR SWMBO, we'll talk. :)

Hey, I've been interviewing!

I'll post a pic when I get home tonight.

--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Thu May 15 11:21:42 2008
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:21:42 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] airshows
Message-ID: <a2c5747f225e4a93b2f39aad0cccd385.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Ah yes, Tinker that's it. I may or may not be there... Wife is getting induced on Monday! Not sure if I want to make the drive 
with a less-than-week-old. ;)

However, I WILL still be around for the Vance airshow. I'll be down at Altus at the time, but wife and kids will still be living 
here, and I'll definitely be making the trip up.

Brian



------- Original Message -------
>From    : Justin Messenger[mailto:jjmessenger at yahoo.com]
Sent    : 5/14/2008 4:23:08 PM
To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
Cc      : 
Subject : RE: [simpits-tech] airshows

 Brian,     On the 24th we'll have the T-bird sim at the Tinker Oklahoma City show. They only have flyins at Tulsa.     Also, next 
month on Flag Day (June 14) my sim will be in a morning Parade here in Augusta Ks then both sims will be in operation for the 
Military Museum's open house. http://www.kmmh.org/events.htm  There will also be a live fire power demo!     In the fall it looks 
like we will also be at Vance though it sounds like you will be long gone!     Justin  --------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------     Too bad I'm busy this weekend... Coulda made that one.

Seems like there's a show the end of this month... Tulsa maybe? You
 gonna be there?

Brian
 

      


From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Thu May 15 11:29:01 2008
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:29:01 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] structure completed!
Message-ID: <2a51b19460b74093bc0335453b305560.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

>I tend to glaze over when given a laser pointer... "how far will this
>thing go?"

>oooh..... shiny....

Doubly so when the pointer is of the green variety.... You know how cats will chase laser pointers like crazy? Well, turns out 
geeks do the same thing, they just respond better to those wavelenghts rather than the red... lol

Brian


From joab_ryan at yahoo.com  Thu May 15 11:42:14 2008
From: joab_ryan at yahoo.com (joab ryan)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:42:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Goodies for sale
Message-ID: <248190.80654.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

This guy?looks like he is selling a museum. There is even a sim in there,
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZheliman117
?Joab Ryan
Mechanical CAD Designer,
Network Administrator &
Military Aircraft Sim Builder
North Texas USA


      

From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Thu May 15 11:01:52 2008
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:01:52 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] structure completed!
In-Reply-To: <2a51b19460b74093bc0335453b305560.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805151901420.29550-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Thu, 15 May 2008, Brian Sikkema wrote:

> >I tend to glaze over when given a laser pointer... "how far will this
> >thing go?"
>
> >oooh..... shiny....
>
> Doubly so when the pointer is of the green variety.... You know how cats will chase laser pointers like crazy? Well, turns out
> geeks do the same thing, they just respond better to those wavelenghts rather than the red... lol

heh... I can believe it.


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From sean.g at paradise.net.nz  Thu May 15 12:40:53 2008
From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 07:40:53 +1200
Subject: [simpits-tech] more progress!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805150702530.13243@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805151312240.29550-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805150702530.13243@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <0K0X00CLND8SBT30@smtp5.clear.net.nz>

At 02:03 a.m. 16/05/2008, you wrote:
> >> Hey, That's looking pretty slick.  But mostly I am impressed with the
> >> multi-skills... Cameraman, Voice-over-guy, AND measuring tape
> >> operator..   We truly are not worthy ;-)
> >>
> >
> > Yeah, but still no half-naked assistant (no, not Rob!) there to hand him
> > the measuring tape...
> >
>When you can get one past YOUR SWMBO, we'll talk. :)
>
>
> > Tim (the tool man) Taylor had a much better setup.
> >
>He had a six figure production budget too. :)

$0089.00 Video camera
$0000.76 For the milspec pointing device (organic)
=======
$0000.76 *is* a six figure budget after all.

:)

SeanG


From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Thu May 15 11:43:18 2008
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:43:18 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] more progress!
In-Reply-To: <0K0X00CLND8SBT30@smtp5.clear.net.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805151943060.29550-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Fri, 16 May 2008, Sean Galbraith wrote:

> > > Tim (the tool man) Taylor had a much better setup.
> > >
> >He had a six figure production budget too. :)
>
> $0089.00 Video camera
> $0000.76 For the milspec pointing device (organic)
> =======
> $0000.76 *is* a six figure budget after all.


HAR!!  Nice one :-)


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Thu May 15 13:13:50 2008
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:13:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech airshows
In-Reply-To: <mailman.657.1210876941.3162.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Message-ID: <172310.26775.qm@web52003.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I went to the Altus show 2 weekends ago and we had a good time.  All the KC-135s were packed together at the far end to make room for the show. They were so close it reminded me of a scrap yard.
   
  In the show they had the very first Heritage flight with a C-17 and a C-47. That was very cool!
  Justin



From: "Brian Sikkema" <bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil>
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:21:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] airshows

Ah yes, Tinker that's it. I may or may not be there... Wife is getting induced on Monday! Not sure if I want to make the drive 
with a less-than-week-old. ;)

However, I WILL still be around for the Vance airshow. I'll be down at Altus at the time, but wife and kids will still be living 
here, and I'll definitely be making the trip up.

Brian


       
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Thu May 15 15:37:46 2008
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 23:37:46 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] more progress!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805150702530.13243@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805152335590.30328-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Thu, 15 May 2008, Gene Buckle wrote:

> > Yeah, but still no half-naked assistant (no, not Rob!) there to hand him
> > the measuring tape...
> >
> When you can get one past YOUR SWMBO, we'll talk. :)
>


Latest interviewee...  http://wv838.com/helper.jpg


sadly, she's a model and the pic was taken last week during a photo test
shoot. One of the downsides to my involvement with the old aircraft is
that I have to mingle with models such as these... sigh...

The arty-farty photographer took this one of yours truly too...
http://wv838.com/esoroy.jpg


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu May 15 20:02:38 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:02:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] more progress!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805152335590.30328-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805152335590.30328-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805152002110.18054@grumble.deltasoft.com>

>> When you can get one past YOUR SWMBO, we'll talk. :)
>>
>
>
> Latest interviewee...  http://wv838.com/helper.jpg
>
>
> sadly, she's a model and the pic was taken last week during a photo test
> shoot. One of the downsides to my involvement with the old aircraft is
> that I have to mingle with models such as these... sigh...
>
Heh.

> The arty-farty photographer took this one of yours truly too...
> http://wv838.com/esoroy.jpg

Man, I swear.  You & Kryten, separated at birth. :)

g.

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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu May 15 21:30:53 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:30:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] PlotterBot! :)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805152129570.18446@grumble.deltasoft.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lttMSWP5zCw

Yeah, the commentary is cheesy.  Walter Cronkite I ain't. :)

g.

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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Fri May 16 07:15:07 2008
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:15:07 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech airshows
Message-ID: <5e487a8c03b34028acd0153afc5e2d75.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Yeah, I wanted to be at that one but it was the same weekend I got back from survival, plus Josh had a soccer game. Sounds like 
fun.



------- Original Message -------
>From    : Justin Messenger[mailto:jjmessenger at yahoo.com]
Sent    : 5/15/2008 4:13:50 PM
To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
Cc      : 
Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech airshows

 I went to the Altus show 2 weekends ago and we had a good time.  All the KC-135s were packed together at the far end to make room 
for the show. They were so close it reminded me of a scrap yard.     In the show they had the very first Heritage flight with a C-
17 and a C-47. That was very cool!  Justin



From: "Brian Sikkema" <bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil>
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:21:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] airshows

Ah yes, Tinker that's it. I may or may not be there... Wife is getting induced on Monday! Not sure if I want to make the drive 
with a less-than-week-old. ;)

However, I WILL still be around for the Vance airshow. I'll be down at Altus at the time, but wife and kids will still be living 
here, and I'll definitely be making the trip up.

Brian
 

      


From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Fri May 16 07:16:32 2008
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:16:32 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] more progress!
Message-ID: <7342badb2aff42b5a9f48ce274f477fb.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

>Man, I swear.  You & Kryten, separated at birth. :)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA.... Brilliant!

*Goes and digs out his old Red Dwarf episodes*


From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Fri May 16 12:40:19 2008
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 20:40:19 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] more progress!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805152002110.18054@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805162039590.31801-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Thu, 15 May 2008, Gene Buckle wrote:

> > The arty-farty photographer took this one of yours truly too...
> > http://wv838.com/esoroy.jpg
>
> Man, I swear.  You & Kryten, separated at birth. :)


who said anything about being seperated?  ;-)


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri May 16 13:59:43 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:59:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] more progress!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805162039590.31801-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805162039590.31801-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805161359240.23122@grumble.deltasoft.com>

>
>>> The arty-farty photographer took this one of yours truly too...
>>> http://wv838.com/esoroy.jpg
>>
>> Man, I swear.  You & Kryten, separated at birth. :)
>
>
> who said anything about being seperated?  ;-)
>
Point, set, match! *laughs*

g.

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From chevello at rcn.com  Sat May 17 07:53:06 2008
From: chevello at rcn.com (KD)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 10:53:06 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Note to self: check camera settings before taking
	pics!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.662.1210970444.3162.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
References: <mailman.662.1210970444.3162.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Message-ID: <482EF152.902@rcn.com>

My pictures from the Andrews AFB show didn't come out! Last time I used 
my camera was at my daughter's cheerleading competition indoors, and I 
didn't check the settings before shooting at the airbase yesterday! I 
think I'm going to die. I failed to get pictures of the F-15E flight 
which was awesome, AND the F-22 flight which, if you guys haven't seen 
one, you should, because the doctors that reattach jawbones need the 
work. I just stood there with the shutter held down as the plane did 
flips, rolls, tailslides, everything you thought couldn't be done in a 
jet. Once, it came right down the runway, about 100yds from us, with 
about 30 degrees AOA, and going what looked like about 30knots. I was 
astounded.

We weren't able to get up on the FSM at the show, because they didn't 
have power to it :( But, we hung around and talked with the Lockheed and 
P&W guys for a couple of hours.

The Fighter Demo Center was pretty neat. There were scale models of JSFs 
F-22s and F-16 friggin EVERYWHERE in that place. One of the absolutely 
coolest moments was when we were waiting for our contact to come in and 
see us, I was standing there, looked over and my elbow was leaning 
against a shelf with 4 Collier trophies. Of course, I touched and felt 
all 4 of them :)

We spoke with a Pratt& Whitney guy who was there, learned a lot about 
the STOVL setup, and saw a beautiful model of the engine and lift fan 
combo that they have there. It is a cutaway of the turbines, and spins 
slowly so that you can visualize what is going on when the engine is 
running. It was built by the P&W group for Lockheed to show off, and it 
looks like these things should. I didn't get to fly the F-22 sim, but I 
sat and flew the JSF one for about a half hour :D The guys got a little 
upset when I started measuring the thing up, so we didn't get many 
measurements.Actually, the sim was a bit crappy. Didn't look much like 
the JSF aside from the big touchscreen (which the guy working it for me 
didn't know how it worked, so I wasn't able to shoot back. Either I was 
shot down several times, or the missiles that the bogeys were shooting 
at me missed) and the weird slidey throttle and side stick. When I first 
got in, I noticed the gear handle was up, and the sim wouldn't let me 
take off but the thing never gave an error, it just failed until I put 
the handle down. I have seen much more accurate simulators at I/ITSEC.

The guy that got us in is a really neat guy named Craig McBurney, the 
owner and proprietor of Connecticut Corsair. He has a real F4U Corsair 
that he is restoring to flying status up in Connecticut. He has been 
trying to get that state to name the Corsair as the state airplane for 
Connecticut. He uses all volunteer help, and does research for people 
trying to restore old aircraft. Really a neat guy. He is also putting 
together a sim to help advertise the Corsair project. I'm hoping to be 
able to help him out some with that. Check him out at 
www.connecticutcorsair.com

It was an interesting trip. DC and Arlington weren't too bad to get around.

I dumped the pictures I have, and will probably upload them sometime 
today, depending.

K



From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun May 18 09:10:17 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 09:10:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] New members!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805180908470.29713@grumble.deltasoft.com>

I just wanted to issue a quick welcome to the new folks that have arrived 
here from the x-plane-tech list!

Let's see if we can liven this place up a bit, eh? :)

g.


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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun May 18 11:50:39 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 11:50:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Construction gallery...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805181149320.30518@grumble.deltasoft.com>

Here's a link to an image gallery I put together using pics I took while 
building the prototype:

http://www.simpits.com/Production_Galleries/single_seat_fighter/index.html

g.


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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Sun May 18 18:23:04 2008
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:23:04 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Construction gallery...
Message-ID: <754810540f6a4ce3874a0b17c2d7e5e4.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

*drool*

Definitely get a much better sense of scale seeing a
person in it.

Me likey.


>------- Original Message -------
>From    : Gene Buckle[mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com]
>Sent    : 5/18/2008 2:50:39 PM
>To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
>Cc      : x-plane-tech at yahoogroups.com
>Subject : RE: [simpits-tech] Construction gallery...
>
 >Here's a link to an image gallery I put together
using pics I took while 
building the prototype:

 http://www.simpits.com/Production_Galleries/single_seat_fighter/index.html


g.


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun May 18 20:30:43 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:30:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Construction gallery...
In-Reply-To: <754810540f6a4ce3874a0b17c2d7e5e4.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <754810540f6a4ce3874a0b17c2d7e5e4.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805182028080.32458@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> *drool*
>
> Definitely get a much better sense of scale seeing a
> person in it.
>
> Me likey.
>

Hehe.  Thanks.  I got the stick gimbal assembly finished and temporarily 
installed today.  It looks and works really nice.  There's some adjustment 
& finish work yet to do on it, but it's complete for the most part.

I'm uploading a video of it to YouTube right now.  Just search for 
"f15sim" on YouTube and you'll find all the videos. :)

g.

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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun May 18 20:38:32 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:38:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] New gimbal video...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805182037560.32501@grumble.deltasoft.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_bGJhQL6ZE

g.


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From rd at ns.sympatico.ca  Tue May 20 12:23:01 2008
From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:23:01 -0300
Subject: [simpits-tech] New gimbal video...
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805182037560.32501@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <009201c8baae$eb997e00$6800a8c0@rickc7cd1845e8>

Gene,

I think Bill is referring to this:

http://www.aerosoft.com/cgi-local/ca/iboshop.cgi?showd500!0,4878782560,D10650




From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon May 19 12:31:08 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:31:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] New gimbal video...
In-Reply-To: <009201c8baae$eb997e00$6800a8c0@rickc7cd1845e8>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805182037560.32501@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<009201c8baae$eb997e00$6800a8c0@rickc7cd1845e8>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805191230570.7820@grumble.deltasoft.com>

>
> I think Bill is referring to this:
>
> http://www.aerosoft.com/cgi-local/ca/iboshop.cgi?showd500!0,4878782560,D10650
>

Ahh, ok.  Slick product. :)

g.

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From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 19:11:41 2008
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:11:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Outdoor monitors
In-Reply-To: <mailman.661.1210970444.3162.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Message-ID: <655084.67939.qm@web52009.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

What type of monitor is the best for veiwing in direct sunlight?
   
  Justin




 Aviation Videos  
        http://HeritageAviationVideos.fly.to/
   
  DC-8 Simulator
  www.dc8cockpit.catisp.com
   
  F-4 Simulators
  www.Phantom.highspeedzone.com

       
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon May 19 20:23:22 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 20:23:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] More production pics...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805192022530.9791@grumble.deltasoft.com>


http://www.simpits.com/Production_Galleries/single_seat_fighter_p2/index.html

g.

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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 20 08:10:28 2008
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 10:10:28 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Outdoor monitors
In-Reply-To: <655084.67939.qm@web52009.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.661.1210970444.3162.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
	<655084.67939.qm@web52009.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004501c8ba8b$a4121c90$0301a8c0@flightsystems>

You need one with a transreflective coating.

 

Jay

 

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From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Justin Messenger
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 9:12 PM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] Outdoor monitors

 

What type of monitor is the best for veiwing in direct sunlight?

 

Justin

 

 Aviation Videos  

      http://HeritageAviationVideos.fly.to/

 

DC-8 Simulator

www.dc8cockpit.catisp.com

 

F-4 Simulators

www.Phantom.highspeedzone.com

 <http://www.dc8cockpit.catisp.com/dc_8_promom.wmv> 

  

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu May 22 09:53:35 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] interesting article on stick grip building...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805220953210.29355@grumble.deltasoft.com>

http://www.dirkfassbender.de/how_to_make_a_joystick_grip.html

g.


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu May 22 09:58:38 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:58:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] dome projection...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805220957590.29385@grumble.deltasoft.com>

http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/projection/domemirror/

There is some work starting with the FlightGear project in order to 
pre-distort the image to work with this type of system.

g.


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sat May 24 19:43:04 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 19:43:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] 1st wiring done...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805241941480.13414@grumble.deltasoft.com>

http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/pot_wiring.jpg

This is the pot wiring for the pitch & roll axes.  The connector used is a 
female DB25.  Four pins are currently used.  GDN, Vcc, Roll wiper, Pitch 
wiper.  The rest can be used for whatever stick inputs the stick can 
manage.

More soon.



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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Mon May 26 10:23:09 2008
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 13:23:09 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] 1st wiring done...
Message-ID: <a1d32b5758bd42638c99172fd59a8a4b.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Would it be weird/wrong of me to call a
conglomeration of plywood and wiring sexy?

Just curious.

Looks good, Gene. :)



>------- Original Message -------
>From    : Gene Buckle[mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com]
>Sent    : 5/24/2008 10:43:04 PM
>To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
>Cc      : 
>Subject : RE: [simpits-tech] 1st wiring done...
>
 > http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/pot_wiring.jpg 

This is the pot wiring for the pitch & roll axes. 
The connector used is a 
female DB25.  Four pins are currently used.  GDN,
Vcc, Roll wiper, Pitch 
wiper.  The rest can be used for whatever stick
inputs the stick can 
manage.

More soon.



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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon May 26 10:39:10 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:39:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] 1st wiring done...
In-Reply-To: <a1d32b5758bd42638c99172fd59a8a4b.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <a1d32b5758bd42638c99172fd59a8a4b.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805261036440.18554@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Would it be weird/wrong of me to call a
> conglomeration of plywood and wiring sexy?
>
Errr...

> Looks good, Gene. :)
>

Thanks.  I'm not happy with it, but it gets the job done.  I had to build 
a special movement restrictor plate to keep the stick movement from 
tearing the pot linkages apart.

The limiting factor in all of this is a design that can be built by pretty 
much anyone and with only rudimentary tools.  If this was strictly for me, 
I would've done it much differently and used a couple of custom machined 
parts.

g.



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From rhommel at mad.scientist.com  Mon May 26 16:02:54 2008
From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com (Rob Hommel)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 18:02:54 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] The Knack
Message-ID: <20080526230254.268E032675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>

There are those among us who are great disappointments to our parents.
We have the knack, we know who we are. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmYDgncMhXw

Keep 'em Flying
R Hommel

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From marcquintin at hotmail.com  Mon May 26 16:29:41 2008
From: marcquintin at hotmail.com (Marc Quintin)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 19:29:41 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] The Knack
In-Reply-To: <20080526230254.268E032675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20080526230254.268E032675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <BAY107-W500A1DED4ABA21BA9B4FE1A2C20@phx.gbl>


Ha ha :) Good one

Marc..

> From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com
> To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 18:02:54 -0500
> Subject: [simpits-tech] The Knack
> 
> There are those among us who are great disappointments to our parents.
> We have the knack, we know who we are. 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmYDgncMhXw
> 
> Keep 'em Flying
> R Hommel
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From surfer.man at free.fr  Mon May 26 22:55:17 2008
From: surfer.man at free.fr (Jean-Yves Surfin')
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 07:55:17 +0200
Subject: [simpits-tech] The Knack
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-W500A1DED4ABA21BA9B4FE1A2C20@phx.gbl>
References: <20080526230254.268E032675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
	<BAY107-W500A1DED4ABA21BA9B4FE1A2C20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <006501c8bfbe$3df61cd0$b9e25670$@man@free.fr>

Hehe

Great

 

JY

 

 

De : simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] De la part de Marc Quintin
Envoy? : mardi 27 mai 2008 01:30
? : Simulator Cockpit tech list
Objet : Re: [simpits-tech] The Knack

 

Ha ha :) Good one

Marc..

> From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com
> To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 18:02:54 -0500
> Subject: [simpits-tech] The Knack
> 
> There are those among us who are great disappointments to our parents.
> We have the knack, we know who we are. 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmYDgncMhXw
> 
> Keep 'em Flying
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> 
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From bjones at pipecomp.com.au  Tue May 27 01:15:10 2008
From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 17:15:10 +0900
Subject: [simpits-tech] The Knack
References: <20080526230254.268E032675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <006101c8bfd1$c83fbeb0$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>

This one happens to me all the time.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXGDRrkaRgU&feature=related

Ben



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From: "Rob Hommel" <rhommel at mad.scientist.com>
To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:02 AM
Subject: [simpits-tech] The Knack


> There are those among us who are great disappointments to our parents.
> We have the knack, we know who we are.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmYDgncMhXw
>
> Keep 'em Flying
> R Hommel
>
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue May 27 06:45:54 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 06:45:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] weekend update...
In-Reply-To: <006501c8bfbe$3df61cd0$b9e25670$@man@free.fr>
References: <20080526230254.268E032675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
	<BAY107-W500A1DED4ABA21BA9B4FE1A2C20@phx.gbl>
	<006501c8bfbe$3df61cd0$b9e25670$@man@free.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805270645270.23945@grumble.deltasoft.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YsU012Jfec

Rudder pedals are next...

g.


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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 27 06:49:14 2008
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:49:14 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] weekend update...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805270645270.23945@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <20080526230254.268E032675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com><BAY107-W500A1DED4ABA21BA9B4FE1A2C20@phx.gbl><006501c8bfbe$3df61cd0$b9e25670$@man@free.fr>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805270645270.23945@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <77F7AFE85B44421EA02FA4423690B943@flightsystems>

Nice work g....looking good.

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:46 AM
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: [simpits-tech] weekend update...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YsU012Jfec

Rudder pedals are next...

g.


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue May 27 06:55:29 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 06:55:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] weekend update...
In-Reply-To: <77F7AFE85B44421EA02FA4423690B943@flightsystems>
References: <20080526230254.268E032675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com><BAY107-W500A1DED4ABA21BA9B4FE1A2C20@phx.gbl><006501c8bfbe$3df61cd0$b9e25670$@man@free.fr>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805270645270.23945@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<77F7AFE85B44421EA02FA4423690B943@flightsystems>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805270654260.23945@grumble.deltasoft.com>


> Nice work g....looking good.
>

Thanks Jay.  It's going a lot slower than I'd like though.  I'm still not 
happy with that stick mechanism, but it needed to be as simple as 
possible.

g.

  -- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 27 07:01:56 2008
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 09:01:56 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] weekend update...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805270654260.23945@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <20080526230254.268E032675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com><BAY107-W500A1DED4ABA21BA9B4FE1A2C20@phx.gbl><006501c8bfbe$3df61cd0$b9e25670$@man@free.fr><Pine.LNX.4.64.0805270645270.23945@grumble.deltasoft.com><77F7AFE85B44421EA02FA4423690B943@flightsystems>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805270654260.23945@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <F42AABEC805B42F2A2C76FBA100C36FD@flightsystems>

My god, I'm the definition of "it's going slower than I'd like".  I actually
did finish up most of the left side construction last night.  I'll try and
post up a few pics today.
Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:55 AM
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] weekend update...


> Nice work g....looking good.
>

Thanks Jay.  It's going a lot slower than I'd like though.  I'm still not 
happy with that stick mechanism, but it needed to be as simple as 
possible.

g.

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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Tue May 27 07:24:44 2008
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:24:44 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] weekend update...
Message-ID: <a7393a51de4345b094717209b361bf37.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

I think I've got you beat. I have been a member of this list since high school (7 years ago, I believe) and haven't turned a 
single screw yet... Sheesh... lol

Brian

>------- Original Message -------
>From    : Joseph Fagner[mailto:crease-guard at sbcglobal.net]
>Sent    : 5/27/2008 10:01:56 AM
>To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
>Cc      : 
>Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] weekend update...
>
 >My god, I'm the definition of "it's going slower than I'd like".  I actually
did finish up most of the left side construction last night.  I'll try and
post up a few pics today.
Jay

-----Original Message-----



> Nice work g....looking good.
>

Thanks Jay.  It's going a lot slower than I'd like though.  I'm still not 
happy with that stick mechanism, but it needed to be as simple as 
possible.

g.

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 http://www.f15sim.com  - The only one of its kind.
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue May 27 07:39:18 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 07:39:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] weekend update...
In-Reply-To: <F42AABEC805B42F2A2C76FBA100C36FD@flightsystems>
References: <20080526230254.268E032675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com><BAY107-W500A1DED4ABA21BA9B4FE1A2C20@phx.gbl><006501c8bfbe$3df61cd0$b9e25670$@man@free.fr><Pine.LNX.4.64.0805270645270.23945@grumble.deltasoft.com><77F7AFE85B44421EA02FA4423690B943@flightsystems>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805270654260.23945@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<F42AABEC805B42F2A2C76FBA100C36FD@flightsystems>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805270738360.24221@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> My god, I'm the definition of "it's going slower than I'd like".  I actually
> did finish up most of the left side construction last night.  I'll try and
> post up a few pics today.

Amateur. :)  How long have I been working on the F-15? *laughs*

I look forward to seeing the new pics!

g.


-- 
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue May 27 07:41:27 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 07:41:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] weekend update...
In-Reply-To: <a7393a51de4345b094717209b361bf37.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <a7393a51de4345b094717209b361bf37.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805270740550.24221@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> I think I've got you beat. I have been a member of this list since high 
> school (7 years ago, I believe) and haven't turned a single screw yet... 
> Sheesh... lol

Yeah, ok.  You got us. *laughs*

You need to get working on the Merc Brian! :)

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue May 27 10:01:55 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:01:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] great video link...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805271001020.24922@grumble.deltasoft.com>

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1431564069?bclid=1432790108&bctid=1485308529

This link goes to a number of EAA tutorial videos for doing various things 
like instaling nut plates, using Clecos and drilling piano hinges.  Very 
neat site!

g.


-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 27 10:53:27 2008
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 12:53:27 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] weekend update...
In-Reply-To: <a7393a51de4345b094717209b361bf37.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <a7393a51de4345b094717209b361bf37.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <879E80F9A30A4BCE88889F0F974BC8E6@flightsystems>

Yeah, but it's all about planning :-).

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Brian Sikkema
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:25 AM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] weekend update...

I think I've got you beat. I have been a member of this list since high
school (7 years ago, I believe) and haven't turned a 
single screw yet... Sheesh... lol

Brian

>------- Original Message -------
>From    : Joseph Fagner[mailto:crease-guard at sbcglobal.net]
>Sent    : 5/27/2008 10:01:56 AM
>To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
>Cc      : 
>Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] weekend update...
>
 >My god, I'm the definition of "it's going slower than I'd like".  I
actually
did finish up most of the left side construction last night.  I'll try and
post up a few pics today.
Jay

-----Original Message-----



> Nice work g....looking good.
>

Thanks Jay.  It's going a lot slower than I'd like though.  I'm still not 
happy with that stick mechanism, but it needed to be as simple as 
possible.

g.

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 http://www.f15sim.com  - The only one of its kind.
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From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 27 13:25:27 2008
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 15:25:27 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] weekend update...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805270738360.24221@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <20080526230254.268E032675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com><BAY107-W500A1DED4ABA21BA9B4FE1A2C20@phx.gbl><006501c8bfbe$3df61cd0$b9e25670$@man@free.fr><Pine.LNX.4.64.0805270645270.23945@grumble.deltasoft.com><77F7AFE85B44421EA02FA4423690B943@flightsystems><Pine.LNX.4.64.0805270654260.23945@grumble.deltasoft.com><F42AABEC805B42F2A2C76FBA100C36FD@flightsystems>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805270738360.24221@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <E9546215C2A54A8F974D9905A2D79859@flightsystems>

Here's what I got so far.  Put all the panels on the left side today just
for show.  Nothing hooked up yet.

http://www.flightsystemsltd.com/images/build%20progress/

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:39 AM
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] weekend update...

> My god, I'm the definition of "it's going slower than I'd like".  I
actually
> did finish up most of the left side construction last night.  I'll try and
> post up a few pics today.

Amateur. :)  How long have I been working on the F-15? *laughs*

I look forward to seeing the new pics!

g.


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Tue May 27 13:34:01 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 13:34:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] weekend update...
In-Reply-To: <E9546215C2A54A8F974D9905A2D79859@flightsystems>
References: <20080526230254.268E032675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com><BAY107-W500A1DED4ABA21BA9B4FE1A2C20@phx.gbl><006501c8bfbe$3df61cd0$b9e25670$@man@free.fr><Pine.LNX.4.64.0805270645270.23945@grumble.deltasoft.com><77F7AFE85B44421EA02FA4423690B943@flightsystems><Pine.LNX.4.64.0805270654260.23945@grumble.deltasoft.com><F42AABEC805B42F2A2C76FBA100C36FD@flightsystems>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805270738360.24221@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<E9546215C2A54A8F974D9905A2D79859@flightsystems>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805271333500.25846@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Tue, 27 May 2008, Joseph Fagner wrote:

> Here's what I got so far.  Put all the panels on the left side today just
> for show.  Nothing hooked up yet.
>
> http://www.flightsystemsltd.com/images/build%20progress/
>
Very cool Jay!

g.

-- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From rhommel at mad.scientist.com  Tue May 27 17:18:56 2008
From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com (Rob Hommel)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 19:18:56 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] weekend update...
Message-ID: <20080528001856.EB43CBE7664@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>





Well I for one am certainly impressed. I could only dream of working with carpeted floors.
Luxurious accommodations suitable for any Simpitter.

Keep 'em Flying
R Hommel 

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http://www.oncars.com 


From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Tue May 27 20:02:58 2008
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 23:02:58 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] weekend update...
Message-ID: <372a705708b14c149137247d19729238.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

I finally got fed up. Today I bought EVERYTHING I
need to put together a complete Merc capsule.

http://www.internetmodeler.com/2005/january/first-looks/atomic_mercury.php

:D

It's a pretty cool model kit. BIG, too. Got it on
sale for $30 at Hobby Lobby. :D Wifey even encouraged
me to get it! :D And it really helps visualize some
of the trickier details to see with the drawings.

Brian


>------- Original Message -------
>From    : Gene Buckle[mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com]
>Sent    : 5/27/2008 10:41:27 AM
>To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
>Cc      : 
>Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] weekend update...
>
 >> I think I've got you beat. I have been a member
of this list since high 
> school (7 years ago, I believe) and haven't turned
a single screw yet... 
> Sheesh... lol

Yeah, ok.  You got us. *laughs*

You need to get working on the Merc Brian! :)

g.

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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Tue May 27 20:09:14 2008
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 23:09:14 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] weekend update...
Message-ID: <acdb1e0caaf44d728c9a2c9b21812d44.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Measure twice, cut once.

Measure 15,000 times, go batshit insane. Turn cutting
tool on closest potential victim. Spend rest of life
in jail.

Maybe I can stop myself at 14,999.....


>------- Original Message -------
>From    : Joseph
Fagner[mailto:crease-guard at sbcglobal.net]
>Sent    : 5/27/2008 1:53:27 PM
>To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
>Cc      : 
>Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] weekend update...
>
 >Yeah, but it's all about planning :-).

Jay

-----Original Message-----


I think I've got you beat. I have been a member of
this list since high
school (7 years ago, I believe) and haven't turned a 
single screw yet... Sheesh... lol

Brian

>------- Original Message -------
>From    : Joseph Fagner[
mailto:crease-guard at sbcglobal.net] 
>Sent    : 5/27/2008 10:01:56 AM
>To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
>Cc      : 
>Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] weekend update...
>
 >My god, I'm the definition of "it's going slower
than I'd like".  I
actually
did finish up most of the left side construction last
night.  I'll try and
post up a few pics today.
Jay

-----Original Message-----



> Nice work g....looking good.
>

Thanks Jay.  It's going a lot slower than I'd like
though.  I'm still not 
happy with that stick mechanism, but it needed to be
as simple as 
possible.

g.

  -- 
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
  http://www.f15sim.com   - The only one of its kind.
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From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 27 23:39:46 2008
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 01:39:46 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] weekend update...
In-Reply-To: <20080528001856.EB43CBE7664@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20080528001856.EB43CBE7664@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <B909ECAD0CDE42B48015D457D7A6308D@flightsystems>

Carpet is old and nasty and getting replaced when I'm done...which will
probably be never.

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Rob Hommel
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:19 PM
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] weekend update...





Well I for one am certainly impressed. I could only dream of working with
carpeted floors.
Luxurious accommodations suitable for any Simpitter.

Keep 'em Flying
R Hommel 

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed May 28 07:15:58 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 07:15:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Jay's F-16...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805280715040.30674@grumble.deltasoft.com>

Jay, are you using Rivnuts to put that framework together or are you 
bucking AN style flathead rivets?

tnx.

g.


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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Wed May 28 08:52:32 2008
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:52:32 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] The timing couldn't have been worse....
Message-ID: <2f735e3463234396beb242e0b70c7e97.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

So today's my birthday, which means my wife has already bought me a present, and I find this:

http://www.spacecraftfilms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=14

That was well within our price cap, too. :( DAMNIT. DOUBLE DAMNIT. DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT.  This would have been a terrific 
reference. :( :( Now I'm gonna have to wait. Things are too tight at the moment to justify spending this much for the hell of it.

She got me a birthday/fathers day present combined, too, so that ship has already sailed. Shit I say. Twice. Shit shit. :( :(

Anyone want to loan me $85? :D


From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Wed May 28 08:55:05 2008
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:55:05 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Quite a compliment
Message-ID: <7fea438c83414415842b7e41f7a104f3.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

http://forum.zealot.com/t149926/

Notice the avatar. It's my Mercury model for Orbiter. Always nice to see someone appreciates your work! :D

I'm just hoping my laptop will be able to run VC++ well enough to start work on the addon again. When I head down to Altus in a 
few weeks I'm gonna have lots of spare time with which to tinker. :D

Brian


From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 28 12:06:05 2008
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 12:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Jay's F-16...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805280715040.30674@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <865167.63881.qm@web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm using cherry type rivets and a cheapo pneumatic rivet gun from the local tool shop.  I found a bunch of counter sunk rivets on fleabay a while back that had the perfect pull for using .125" stock sheet and angle.  I've got handfulls of other types of rivets for other spots.  The left console panel was a kit I bought from Martin over in the EU.  I used regular cheapo pop rivets for that as I couldn't locate cheap rivets of the proper size and pull and did not want to spend the fortune it costs to buy the rivets from an aircraft company.
   
  I did, however, have to finally bite the bullet and buy pull type rivets for the nutplates as I simply could not find those as surplus...as well as the floating type nutplate.  They were pricey but after installing them, I wish I had just bit the bullet sooner and used them as they are really perfect for many spots.
   
  I TIG welded the angle brackets to the ribs but then riveted that to the side walls.  I found out the hard way that welding large flat pieces does not work well.
   
  I wish I had seen that little video series you posted up yesterday.  I watched the part about deburring and I have not been doing that right.  Luckily, this isn't going to fly and probably won't make a difference.
   
  Jay

Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
  Jay, are you using Rivnuts to put that framework together or are you 
bucking AN style flathead rivets?

tnx.

g.


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed May 28 12:19:11 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 12:19:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Jay's F-16...
In-Reply-To: <865167.63881.qm@web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <865167.63881.qm@web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805281215380.32092@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> I'm using cherry type rivets and a cheapo pneumatic rivet gun from the 
> local tool shop.  I found a bunch of counter sunk rivets on fleabay a 
> while back that had the perfect pull for using .125" stock sheet and 
> angle.  I've got handfulls of other types of rivets for other spots. 
> The left console panel was a kit I bought from Martin over in the EU. 
> I used regular cheapo pop rivets for that as I couldn't locate cheap 
> rivets of the proper size and pull and did not want to spend the fortune 
> it costs to buy the rivets from an aircraft company.
>
So they're countersunk "pop" rivets then?

FYI, AN standard rivets are about $20 a pound from Aircraft Spruce for the 
.125 x 1/2" version.  Those are of course "real" rivets that you need a 
bucking bar & rivet gun for.  I've not priced the other types.

>  I did, however, have to finally bite the bullet and buy pull type 
> rivets for the nutplates as I simply could not find those as 
> surplus...as well as the floating type nutplate.  They were pricey but 
> after installing them, I wish I had just bit the bullet sooner and used 
> them as they are really perfect for many spots.
>
Nut plates are indeed very nice when working with metal.  I'm still 
debating on whether or not to skin the cockpit prototype with .040" sheet 
metal.  (galvanized steel - aluminum is frighteningly expensive for the 
sheet sizes I need)

>  I TIG welded the angle brackets to the ribs but then riveted that to 
> the side walls.  I found out the hard way that welding large flat pieces 
> does not work well.
>
Hehee.  Yow. :)

>  I wish I had seen that little video series you posted up yesterday.  I 
> watched the part about deburring and I have not been doing that right. 
> Luckily, this isn't going to fly and probably won't make a difference.

I haven't had a chance to look at that one.  The site is great, but the 
daisy-chained auto-play videos are annoying as hell.

tnx!

g.

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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 28 13:45:33 2008
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:45:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Jay's F-16...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805281215380.32092@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <73129.367.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yeah, I was a little intimidated by the bucking type rivets as I didn't really know how to do those properly.
   
  Skinning will be the last thing I do.  I'm thinking of running the strake as a permanant fixture, then making the top and bottom panels into two sections each that can be removed to gain access to the inside.  I just haven't quite figured out how to do it yet.  But I'm a ways away from that.
   
  Jay

Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
  > I'm using cherry type rivets and a cheapo pneumatic rivet gun from the 
> local tool shop. I found a bunch of counter sunk rivets on fleabay a 
> while back that had the perfect pull for using .125" stock sheet and 
> angle. I've got handfulls of other types of rivets for other spots. 
> The left console panel was a kit I bought from Martin over in the EU. 
> I used regular cheapo pop rivets for that as I couldn't locate cheap 
> rivets of the proper size and pull and did not want to spend the fortune 
> it costs to buy the rivets from an aircraft company.
>
So they're countersunk "pop" rivets then?

FYI, AN standard rivets are about $20 a pound from Aircraft Spruce for the 
.125 x 1/2" version. Those are of course "real" rivets that you need a 
bucking bar & rivet gun for. I've not priced the other types.

> I did, however, have to finally bite the bullet and buy pull type 
> rivets for the nutplates as I simply could not find those as 
> surplus...as well as the floating type nutplate. They were pricey but 
> after installing them, I wish I had just bit the bullet sooner and used 
> them as they are really perfect for many spots.
>
Nut plates are indeed very nice when working with metal. I'm still 
debating on whether or not to skin the cockpit prototype with .040" sheet 
metal. (galvanized steel - aluminum is frighteningly expensive for the 
sheet sizes I need)

> I TIG welded the angle brackets to the ribs but then riveted that to 
> the side walls. I found out the hard way that welding large flat pieces 
> does not work well.
>
Hehee. Yow. :)

> I wish I had seen that little video series you posted up yesterday. I 
> watched the part about deburring and I have not been doing that right. 
> Luckily, this isn't going to fly and probably won't make a difference.

I haven't had a chance to look at that one. The site is great, but the 
daisy-chained auto-play videos are annoying as hell.

tnx!

g.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed May 28 13:51:18 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:51:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Jay's F-16...
In-Reply-To: <73129.367.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <73129.367.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805281347530.32480@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Yeah, I was a little intimidated by the bucking type rivets as I didn't 
> really know how to do those properly.
>
I'm hoping the EAA will add a riveting tutorial video.   I've never seen a 
rivet placed from the bucking-bar side of the process.

>  Skinning will be the last thing I do.  I'm thinking of running the 
> strake as a permanant fixture, then making the top and bottom panels 
> into two sections each that can be removed to gain access to the inside. 
> I just haven't quite figured out how to do it yet.  But I'm a ways away 
> from that.

Actually, that's pretty easy.  First thing I would to is create a 
cap-strip that's 1" wide to a side that you can use to cap the edge of the 
strakes with.  You can cut down a bunch of aluminum angle to make tiny 
brackets to attach the cap strip to.

>From there you can install more of the homemade L brackets and nut plates 
to allow you to use screws to attach the "upper" and "lower" skins with. 
Get yourself a rivet fan, a pile of #6 x .25" flat head screws, a micro 
stop and you're off to the races. :)

g.



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From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 28 13:55:42 2008
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:55:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Jay's F-16...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805281347530.32480@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <411044.64081.qm@web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm having a hard time picturing what you're talking about with the skin.  Got any links to something similar that I could look at?  I mean, hell, if I can do it now, I would rather get it out of the way.
   
  Jay

Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
  > Yeah, I was a little intimidated by the bucking type rivets as I didn't 
> really know how to do those properly.
>
I'm hoping the EAA will add a riveting tutorial video. I've never seen a 
rivet placed from the bucking-bar side of the process.

> Skinning will be the last thing I do. I'm thinking of running the 
> strake as a permanant fixture, then making the top and bottom panels 
> into two sections each that can be removed to gain access to the inside. 
> I just haven't quite figured out how to do it yet. But I'm a ways away 
> from that.

Actually, that's pretty easy. First thing I would to is create a 
cap-strip that's 1" wide to a side that you can use to cap the edge of the 
strakes with. You can cut down a bunch of aluminum angle to make tiny 
brackets to attach the cap strip to.

>From there you can install more of the homemade L brackets and nut plates 
to allow you to use screws to attach the "upper" and "lower" skins with. 
Get yourself a rivet fan, a pile of #6 x .25" flat head screws, a micro 
stop and you're off to the races. :)

g.



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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed May 28 14:19:01 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:19:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Jay's F-16...
In-Reply-To: <411044.64081.qm@web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <411044.64081.qm@web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805281402180.32581@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> I'm having a hard time picturing what you're talking about with the 
> skin.  Got any links to something similar that I could look at?  I mean, 
> hell, if I can do it now, I would rather get it out of the way.

I don't have any links, but I'll try to describe what I mean...

Say for example you're skinning with say .032" material...

You'll create a strip 2" + a little extra to account for the radius you're 
going to bend in it.

You'll have to create a few of these unless you've got access to a sheet 
metal bender that is as long as your cockpit. :)

Bend the first segment along the center line so it approaches the angle at 
the end of the strakes.  This will form a "cap" that can be permanently 
installed to cover the sharp angle that the strakes create.

Get a length of .062" thick 1/2" aluminum angle bracket and chop it into a 
bunch of 1/2" wide bits.  If you pre-drill your holes before slicing it 
up, your life will be easier. :)

Attach the L bracket to the edges of the strake, roughly 1/2" from 
the edge.  You'll need one top and bottom, so you may have to fudge the 
placement a bit if it's as tight as it looks.  These can be attached using 
a standard dome-head pull rivet.

I learned today that there is an edge-clamp Cleco - this will be perfect 
for the next step.  They're basically a tiny Cleco-plier operated 
"standard" clamp.  Use them or another small clamp to attach your first 
bit of cap strip to the installed L brackets.  Using a sharpie, mark the 
hole center in the cap through the hole in the L bracket.  When those are 
all marked, pull it off and drill them on a drill press.

Flip the cap strip over and use a microstop to create countersinks that 
match the angle of the #6x.25 screws you bought.

There is a blind nut product called a "PEM fastener".  It's basically a
press-in nut that backs a bit of metal.  If you take a peek at the fuel
panel pictures I did you'll see the PEM fasteners that I use to attach the
face of the panel.  Install #6 fasteners into the side of your installed L
brackets.  If you drill the hole according to the docs (Small Parts shows
what hole size to use in their section on these fasteners), you can press
fit them into place using a pair of vice grips.

Install the cap strip and you're done with that part.

The reason I recommend the cap strip is to avoid having a tiny gap at the 
edge of the strake where the top & bottom sheets meet.

You can attach the skins using a similar method - take some 1" angle 
bracket and cut gaps in the back side so it'll follow the form of the 
station edge better.  You can pull rivet these into place as well.

Mark the center lines of the angle bracket on the cap strip and set your 
first skin in place.  Use the rivet fan to line up a row of rivets based 
on that center line.  Mark, drill, cleco, repeat. :)

Does this make sense now?

g.



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From allendc at qwest.net  Wed May 28 14:23:41 2008
From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:23:41 -0600
Subject: [simpits-tech] Jay's F-16...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805281347530.32480@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <73129.367.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805281347530.32480@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <20080528212346.2DFD8621D05@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net>

At 01:51 PM 5/28/2008 -0700, you wrote:
> > Yeah, I was a little intimidated by the bucking type rivets as I didn't
> > really know how to do those properly.
> >
>I'm hoping the EAA will add a riveting tutorial video.   I've never seen a
>rivet placed from the bucking-bar side of the process.

You guys are making it to complex, Get a bar and some rivet sets and 
practice shooting.

You will need some rivet drills for the different size rivets

-3 3/32 rivets #40 drill
-4 1/8 rivets #30 drill
-5 5/32 rivets #21 drill
-6 3/16 rivets #11 drill

I use a cheap harbor freight impact gun. Set the air pressure to the 
gun so that 3 bumps of the trigger sets the rivet. (on my junk gun 
its 60 psi for a 1/8 rivet)

Since you are building a sim, (Non-Structural) you can use "soft" 
Code A rivets. In the real world Structural applications you would 
use a AD rivet.

All you need to know is the shop side of the rivet should protrude 
11/2 x the Dia of the rivet.

The shop head should be formed to 1.5 x the rivet Dia, and should be 
.5 x the rivet Dia tall.

So a .125 rivet should protrude .1875"

The shop head should be when formed .1875 DIA . The size of the head 
can vary from .15625 low side to .2075 on the high side.

The height of the head should be .0625" But it can vary from .04125" to .0825"

Remember if you dislike the way the "set' rivet looks, you can always 
drill it out and redo it, nobody knows!

David
www.737FlightSim.com 


From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 28 14:44:56 2008
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:44:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Jay's F-16...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805281402180.32581@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <95917.8743.qm@web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yeah, I follow what you're driving at now.  The main thing with using the metal for the skin is following the curve without bending or getting dented.  Also, making sure the transition between the strake (I see what you're driving at there...that's kind of what I had in mind) and the panel is flush.  I was thinking of doing the strake and then building up some thinkness with fiberglass.  Then creating a thinner lip so the panel will then fit into that lip and sit flush with the strake.  This will allow me to hide any imperfections in the metal strake and sand it smooth to finish. The panel I was thinking of doing the same way.
   
  Time consuming...which is why I thought about waiting until later to do it.
   
  Jay

Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
  > I'm having a hard time picturing what you're talking about with the 
> skin. Got any links to something similar that I could look at? I mean, 
> hell, if I can do it now, I would rather get it out of the way.

I don't have any links, but I'll try to describe what I mean...

Say for example you're skinning with say .032" material...

You'll create a strip 2" + a little extra to account for the radius you're 
going to bend in it.

You'll have to create a few of these unless you've got access to a sheet 
metal bender that is as long as your cockpit. :)

Bend the first segment along the center line so it approaches the angle at 
the end of the strakes. This will form a "cap" that can be permanently 
installed to cover the sharp angle that the strakes create.

Get a length of .062" thick 1/2" aluminum angle bracket and chop it into a 
bunch of 1/2" wide bits. If you pre-drill your holes before slicing it 
up, your life will be easier. :)

Attach the L bracket to the edges of the strake, roughly 1/2" from 
the edge. You'll need one top and bottom, so you may have to fudge the 
placement a bit if it's as tight as it looks. These can be attached using 
a standard dome-head pull rivet.

I learned today that there is an edge-clamp Cleco - this will be perfect 
for the next step. They're basically a tiny Cleco-plier operated 
"standard" clamp. Use them or another small clamp to attach your first 
bit of cap strip to the installed L brackets. Using a sharpie, mark the 
hole center in the cap through the hole in the L bracket. When those are 
all marked, pull it off and drill them on a drill press.

Flip the cap strip over and use a microstop to create countersinks that 
match the angle of the #6x.25 screws you bought.

There is a blind nut product called a "PEM fastener". It's basically a
press-in nut that backs a bit of metal. If you take a peek at the fuel
panel pictures I did you'll see the PEM fasteners that I use to attach the
face of the panel. Install #6 fasteners into the side of your installed L
brackets. If you drill the hole according to the docs (Small Parts shows
what hole size to use in their section on these fasteners), you can press
fit them into place using a pair of vice grips.

Install the cap strip and you're done with that part.

The reason I recommend the cap strip is to avoid having a tiny gap at the 
edge of the strake where the top & bottom sheets meet.

You can attach the skins using a similar method - take some 1" angle 
bracket and cut gaps in the back side so it'll follow the form of the 
station edge better. You can pull rivet these into place as well.

Mark the center lines of the angle bracket on the cap strip and set your 
first skin in place. Use the rivet fan to line up a row of rivets based 
on that center line. Mark, drill, cleco, repeat. :)

Does this make sense now?

g.



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From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 28 14:47:18 2008
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:47:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Jay's F-16...
In-Reply-To: <20080528212346.2DFD8621D05@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net>
Message-ID: <4327.18274.qm@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That's the kind of info I didn't know about these types of rivets and why I didn't use them.  Too late for me, as I have 10,000+ spare cherry type rivets now (another ebay special).
   
  Jay

"David C. Allen" <allendc at qwest.net> wrote:
  At 01:51 PM 5/28/2008 -0700, you wrote:
> > Yeah, I was a little intimidated by the bucking type rivets as I didn't
> > really know how to do those properly.
> >
>I'm hoping the EAA will add a riveting tutorial video. I've never seen a
>rivet placed from the bucking-bar side of the process.

You guys are making it to complex, Get a bar and some rivet sets and 
practice shooting.

You will need some rivet drills for the different size rivets

-3 3/32 rivets #40 drill
-4 1/8 rivets #30 drill
-5 5/32 rivets #21 drill
-6 3/16 rivets #11 drill

I use a cheap harbor freight impact gun. Set the air pressure to the 
gun so that 3 bumps of the trigger sets the rivet. (on my junk gun 
its 60 psi for a 1/8 rivet)

Since you are building a sim, (Non-Structural) you can use "soft" 
Code A rivets. In the real world Structural applications you would 
use a AD rivet.

All you need to know is the shop side of the rivet should protrude 
11/2 x the Dia of the rivet.

The shop head should be formed to 1.5 x the rivet Dia, and should be 
.5 x the rivet Dia tall.

So a .125 rivet should protrude .1875"

The shop head should be when formed .1875 DIA . The size of the head 
can vary from .15625 low side to .2075 on the high side.

The height of the head should be .0625" But it can vary from .04125" to .0825"

Remember if you dislike the way the "set' rivet looks, you can always 
drill it out and redo it, nobody knows!

David
www.737FlightSim.com 

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed May 28 14:59:59 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:59:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Jay's F-16...
In-Reply-To: <95917.8743.qm@web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <95917.8743.qm@web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> Yeah, I follow what you're driving at now.  The main thing with using 
> the metal for the skin is following the curve without bending or getting 
> dented.  Also, making sure the transition between the strake (I see what 
> you're driving at there...that's kind of what I had in mind) and the 
> panel is flush.  I was thinking of doing the strake and then building up 
> some thinkness with fiberglass.  Then creating a thinner lip so the 
> panel will then fit into that lip and sit flush with the strake.  This 
> will allow me to hide any imperfections in the metal strake and sand it 
> smooth to finish. The panel I was thinking of doing the same way.

Well you can always go to an .062" sheet thickness.  With your current 
station spacing you'd have to hit it pretty hard to put a dent into it. 
You're missing stringers too. :)

g.

  -- 
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed May 28 15:00:55 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:00:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Jay's F-16...
In-Reply-To: <4327.18274.qm@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4327.18274.qm@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> That's the kind of info I didn't know about these types of rivets and 
> why I didn't use them.  Too late for me, as I have 10,000+ spare cherry 
> type rivets now (another ebay special).

I think the less is, "Ask and ye shall fasten rationally!" *laughs*

g.

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From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 28 15:16:51 2008
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:16:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Jay's F-16...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805281458330.427@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <545526.36906.qm@web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It was too much effort to put in stringers.  I figured once the skin was placed, that would stiffen up the structure nicely.
   
  Jay

Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
  > Yeah, I follow what you're driving at now. The main thing with using 
> the metal for the skin is following the curve without bending or getting 
> dented. Also, making sure the transition between the strake (I see what 
> you're driving at there...that's kind of what I had in mind) and the 
> panel is flush. I was thinking of doing the strake and then building up 
> some thinkness with fiberglass. Then creating a thinner lip so the 
> panel will then fit into that lip and sit flush with the strake. This 
> will allow me to hide any imperfections in the metal strake and sand it 
> smooth to finish. The panel I was thinking of doing the same way.

Well you can always go to an .062" sheet thickness. With your current 
station spacing you'd have to hit it pretty hard to put a dent into it. 
You're missing stringers too. :)

g.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed May 28 15:31:28 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:31:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Jay's F-16...
In-Reply-To: <545526.36906.qm@web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> It was too much effort to put in stringers.  I figured once the skin was 
> placed, that would stiffen up the structure nicely.

Work on the back end saves work on the front end. :)

g.

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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 28 15:36:42 2008
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:36:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Jay's F-16...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805281531120.575@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <130370.9118.qm@web81605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

How long have I been on this email list?  And I'm just now getting to where I'm at?  We'll be retired at this pace and too old and decrepit to actually get in the thing and fly it ;-)
   
  Jay

Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
  > It was too much effort to put in stringers. I figured once the skin was 
> placed, that would stiffen up the structure nicely.

Work on the back end saves work on the front end. :)

g.

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From allendc at qwest.net  Wed May 28 15:42:11 2008
From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:42:11 -0600
Subject: [simpits-tech] Jay's F-16...
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From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 28 16:07:43 2008
From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:07:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Jay's F-16...
In-Reply-To: <20080528224217.1058D1A9A7B@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net>
Message-ID: <424532.94241.qm@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

No problem...already worked into the will :-).
   
  Jay

"David C. Allen" <allendc at qwest.net> wrote:
  Jay
At least they can plant you in the sim, they will want extra money to dig a hole big enough to get the 737 6 foot under! LOL !!

David
www.737FlightSim.com


At 03:36 PM 5/28/2008 -0700, you wrote:
  How long have I been on this email list?  And I'm just now getting to where I'm at?  We'll be retired at this pace and too old and decrepit to actually get in the thing and fly it ;-)
 
Jay

Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
    
   > It was too much effort to put in stringers. I figured once the skin was 
  
   > placed, that would stiffen up the structure nicely.

  
   Work on the back end saves work on the front end. :)

  
   g.

  
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Wed May 28 15:37:06 2008
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:37:06 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] weekend update...
In-Reply-To: <372a705708b14c149137247d19729238.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805282336410.15722-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Tue, 27 May 2008, Brian Sikkema wrote:

> I finally got fed up. Today I bought EVERYTHING I
> need to put together a complete Merc capsule.
>
> http://www.internetmodeler.com/2005/january/first-looks/atomic_mercury.php
>
> :D
>
> It's a pretty cool model kit. BIG, too. Got it on
> sale for $30 at Hobby Lobby. :D Wifey even encouraged
> me to get it! :D And it really helps visualize some
> of the trickier details to see with the drawings.


Yowzer !

I've never had more than a passing interest in the Merc - but now I want
one too!


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter.
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Wed May 28 15:42:47 2008
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:42:47 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] The timing couldn't have been worse....
In-Reply-To: <2f735e3463234396beb242e0b70c7e97.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805282341450.15722-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Wed, 28 May 2008, Brian Sikkema wrote:


Sorry Brian - but having today been made redundant after ten years as a
consultant to a local IT company, all my 'spare' sim money just went south
- permanently  :-(



> So today's my birthday, which means my wife has already bought me a present, and I find this:
>
> http://www.spacecraftfilms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=14
>
> That was well within our price cap, too. :( DAMNIT. DOUBLE DAMNIT. DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT.  This would have been a terrific
> reference. :( :( Now I'm gonna have to wait. Things are too tight at the moment to justify spending this much for the hell of it.
>
> She got me a birthday/fathers day present combined, too, so that ship has already sailed. Shit I say. Twice. Shit shit. :( :(
>
> Anyone want to loan me $85? :D
>
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Wed May 28 15:48:58 2008
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:48:58 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Jay's F-16...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805281347530.32480@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805282345570.15722-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Wed, 28 May 2008, Gene Buckle wrote:

> > Yeah, I was a little intimidated by the bucking type rivets as I didn't
> > really know how to do those properly.
> >
> I'm hoping the EAA will add a riveting tutorial video.   I've never seen a
> rivet placed from the bucking-bar side of the process.


I was taught how to work with solid rivets about 12 months ago by an
ex-RAF ground crew guy. He made us use hammers and bucking bars at first
so that we could see how the rivet formed before letting us loose with
pneumatic tools.

It is definitely a skill that takes a little time to learn but the effort
is well worth it!  Solid rivets are not only amazingly strong but they
really REALLY pull the sheets you are rivetting together so tightly it is
almost like a weld.

Unless you can find surplus here in the UK, solids are expensive because
they come with "certificates of conformity" which us guys don't need but
you pay for anyway.  Evilbay is your friend here.

For home/pit building, stick with pop rivets, it's a lot easier and
cheaper!


That'll be 2c please.

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Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Wed May 28 18:31:25 2008
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 18:31:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] The timing couldn't have been worse....
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805282341450.15722-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805282341450.15722-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805281831020.1375@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Sorry Brian - but having today been made redundant after ten years as a
> consultant to a local IT company, all my 'spare' sim money just went south
> - permanently  :-(
>
Well that just bites ass.  I'm sorry to hear that Roy.

g.

-- 
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Wed May 28 18:39:34 2008
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:39:34 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] The timing couldn't have been worse....
Message-ID: <ecd360a691044f98b62fb536357b12be.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Ouch. Sorry to hear it, Roy.

My spare money has gone south as well, albeit for
much happier reasons. There's a new Sikkema running
around lately... Well not so much running as laying
around, pooping on himself. But you get the gist... ;)

Anyway, sorry again. Hopefully things will turn
around soon!


>------- Original Message -------
>From    : Roy Coates[mailto:roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk]
>Sent    : 5/28/2008 6:42:47 PM
>To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
>Cc      : 
>Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] The timing couldn't
have been worse....
>
 >On Wed, 28 May 2008, Brian Sikkema wrote:


Sorry Brian - but having today been made redundant
after ten years as a
consultant to a local IT company, all my 'spare' sim
money just went south
- permanently  :-(



> So today's my birthday, which means my wife has
already bought me a present, and I find this:
>
> 
http://www.spacecraftfilms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=14

>
> That was well within our price cap, too. :( DAMNIT.
DOUBLE DAMNIT. DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT.  This
would have been a terrific
> reference. :( :( Now I'm gonna have to wait. Things
are too tight at the moment to justify spending this
much for the hell of it.
>
> She got me a birthday/fathers day present combined,
too, so that ship has already sailed. Shit I say.
Twice. Shit shit. :( :(
>
> Anyone want to loan me $85? :D
>
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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Thu May 29 00:13:55 2008
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:13:55 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] The timing couldn't have been worse....
In-Reply-To: <ecd360a691044f98b62fb536357b12be.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805290812500.16357-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Wed, 28 May 2008, Brian Sikkema wrote:

> Ouch. Sorry to hear it, Roy.
>
> My spare money has gone south as well, albeit for
> much happier reasons. There's a new Sikkema running
> around lately... Well not so much running as laying
> around, pooping on himself. But you get the gist... ;)


Our new rug-rat is about to hit the crawling stage so it's time to
move/hide/secure anything and everything around here. She can hold an 8mm
spanner now though so it's not all bad ;-)


--

Roy Coates.
Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk
Tel: 0151 794 4862
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From phoenixcomm at gmail.com  Thu May 29 07:57:35 2008
From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:57:35 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] The timing couldn't have been worse....
In-Reply-To: <2f735e3463234396beb242e0b70c7e97.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
References: <2f735e3463234396beb242e0b70c7e97.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <cc93494c0805290757o35387866t5aaac35ad0c2955d@mail.gmail.com>

Happy Birthday,
sorry bout the present...... me no cash gota pay lanloard (ever since I lost
my house a year ago and all
my spare (ha, ha) money is now in my gas tank....
and I dont mean in my aircrafts tank (dry for years)

Cris
www.phoenixcomm.net/~phnx2000/sim
www.phoenixaerospace.us


On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Brian Sikkema <bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil>
wrote:

> So today's my birthday, which means my wife has already bought me a
> present, and I find this:
>
> http://www.spacecraftfilms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID
>
> That was well within our price cap, too. :( DAMNIT. DOUBLE DAMNIT. DAMNIT
> DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT.  This would have been a terrific
> reference. :( :( Now I'm gonna have to wait. Things are too tight at the
> moment to justify spending this much for the hell of it.
>
> She got me a birthday/fathers day present combined, too, so that ship has
> already sailed. Shit I say. Twice. Shit shit. :( :(
>
> Anyone want to loan me $85? :D
>
> _______________________________________________
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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Thu May 29 08:13:09 2008
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 11:13:09 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] AMAZING Mercury interior reference
Message-ID: <9ac1b5881d324745b6febb8bb153bce2.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

http://www.nasa.gov/externalflash/aio/vrbig.html

VR interior of Friendship 7. This is not the lower-res VR of Freedom 7 II (the unflown capsule, in incomplete condition). This is 
a VERY high res 360 pannable, zoomable view of Glenn's spaceship. Amazing stuff.

Brian


From kev1n1956 at yahoo.com  Thu May 29 10:30:13 2008
From: kev1n1956 at yahoo.com (K :))
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:30:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 57, Issue 16
In-Reply-To: <mailman.736.1212017737.3162.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Message-ID: <838637.94752.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I was afraid that somebody would point this out eventually !

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:36:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joseph Fagner 
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Jay's F-16...
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list 
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How long have I been on this email list? And I'm just now getting to where I'm at? We'll be retired at this pace and too old and decrepit to actually get in the thing and fly it ;-)

Jay



  Irresponsibility-No single raindrop believes that it is responsible for the flood.


       
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