From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Mon Jun 2 14:11:05 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 17:11:05 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Thank goodness for parents Message-ID: <0a569dc71b4a4989aacafd5719d650c8.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> After a couple of cash donations, er, birthday presents from both my parents and my wife's, my set of Mercury vids is on the way! :D Brian From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon Jun 2 13:27:07 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:27:07 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Thank goodness for parents In-Reply-To: <0a569dc71b4a4989aacafd5719d650c8.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Brian Sikkema wrote: > After a couple of cash donations, er, birthday > presents from both my parents and my wife's, my set > of Mercury vids is on the way! :D > Cooo... that'll be you locked away in the den for a few hours then !! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Jun 2 14:45:38 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Thank goodness for parents In-Reply-To: <0a569dc71b4a4989aacafd5719d650c8.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <0a569dc71b4a4989aacafd5719d650c8.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > After a couple of cash donations, er, birthday > presents from both my parents and my wife's, my set > of Mercury vids is on the way! :D > Congrats Brian! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Mon Jun 2 15:31:14 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 18:31:14 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Thank goodness for parents Message-ID: <4843c95c45524984b4aae7b3925be4dd.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> I will, of course, be posting any relevent discoveries. Currently I'm doing some work on determining panel changes between capsules. Before I was thinking I would just model Friendship 7 and call it good, but now I've determined that it may be relatively straightforward to reconfigure the panel for each mission, with the exception of Freedom 7, which suffers from not only a completely different panel, but also different windows and the resulting cabin configuration changes... Anywho I'm working on a text document which explains the panel changes between each of the Atlas capsules and how to accomplish them for a simpit... Will post when finished. :D Brian >------- Original Message ------- >From : Gene Buckle[mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com] >Sent : 6/2/2008 5:45:38 PM >To : simpits-tech at simpits.org >Cc : >Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] Thank goodness for parents > >> After a couple of cash donations, er, birthday > presents from both my parents and my wife's, my set > of Mercury vids is on the way! :D > Congrats Brian! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From chevello at rcn.com Mon Jun 2 18:07:48 2008 From: chevello at rcn.com (KD) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:07:48 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] PFC consoles for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48449964.6010005@rcn.com> This is just the beginning. I have quite a load of crap that I need to off so that I can have some more room in the garage. These are used items that come from stockroom cleanouts at a flight sim manufacturer outside Philadelphia. They were used for testing and have been hanging around for years. In fact, there was this one old lady who only used to fly on Sundays when she went to church.. :) The first items up area Single Professional Flight Console from PFC with a Mooney yoke. It only has 62 hours on the Hobbs meter, and everything is there. The ear on the throttle/Prop/Mix control is broken on one side, but the piece is still there attached to the panel by the thumbscrew. The missing knobs have already been replaced. I haven't really looked at it to see if I can fire it up yet. No cables, software or extras. All I have is the console.These things went for around $2500USD new. One pretty nasty scratch on the face of the panel, if that matters.Shipping will be ugly, this thing is HEAVY. (websites I could find it on list it at 90lbs) I just checked UPS for a shipping cost from my zip 19018 to a random zip in Los Angeles, and ground shipping was 92.00. You don't want to know what next day early AM was :) Pictures of any of it are available on request. http://users.rcn.com/chevello/Cirrus_II_Console.jpg It's the second one down here: http://www.aviationsimulation.co.uk/acatalog/Consoles.html The second item is a Cirrus yoke console with a Mooney yoke. It has a push-pull throttle lever on it. It's a little dirty, but doesn't appear to be damaged. There is a USB version of this console, but this is NOT it. To reiterate, this is NOT the USB console, it is the SERIAL PORT VERSION. Pictures of any of it are available on request. THe lsit prices I have seen are around $450 USD new. Shipping weight appears to be around 20lbs. http://users.rcn.com/chevello/Cirrus_PCATD_Yoke.jpg Here it is on the PFC website http://www.flypfc.com/entertainment%20products/mooney.html I'm reluctant to get into the ebay thing so I figured I would offer things here first. You guys are cooler than ebay. Make me an offer I can't refuse. Maybe even tradesies. K From chevello at rcn.com Mon Jun 2 18:47:43 2008 From: chevello at rcn.com (KD) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:47:43 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> So I was looking over the F-15 sim page and (December 27 was the last update? DUDE!) really like what I saw with the lightplate. Nice job Gene! For general info, and not to bust on Gene at all, (that panel is awesome looking) the panel label (the vertical lettering on the panel on the F15sim site that says FUEL) is not lighted. That part of the lettering on all the panels that I have run into are screen printed on the surface, and so don't backlight. It may not make any difference if you are making panels for your sim and do them all the same, but if you are mixing real and homebuilt ones then it might make a difference there. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to detract form the work Gene or anyone else is doing, I just had a bit of info that I thought I would share. BTW, both F-15s I have done have that lettering backlit so, I'm not perfect either. :) I also noticed that Gene mentioned an MS document that he has that is hard to read. There is a website that I use frequently that has all of them on there for perusal (unrestricted access ones anyways). Here is a link. Most of the military stuff that we tend to use is listed as inactive, but it was active at the time our stuff got built, so it would still be valid for the most part. Ah, the link: http://assist.daps.dla.mil/online/start/ Just go to Quick Start and enter iether the MS, MIL-C or document number, and if it is there it will come up. There is also a text search if you don't know the MS number of the document. There is a ton of info there, so don't get lost in the reading and forget to work on your sim. :) Gene, do you have your own laser machine? If so, which one and why did you pick that one? I'm thinking about getting into oneas well as a 3D printer. So there you go. K From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Jun 2 20:15:21 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> Message-ID: > So I was looking over the F-15 sim page and (December 27 was the last > update? DUDE!) really like what I saw with the lightplate. Nice job Gene! > I've been....distracted. Peruse some of the stuff here: http://www.youtube.com/user/f15sim > Don't get me wrong, I don't want to detract form the work Gene or anyone > else is doing, I just had a bit of info that I thought I would share. > BTW, both F-15s I have done have that lettering backlit so, I'm not > perfect either. :) > Hehe. Yeah, I knew that the side lettering isn't lit. Not lighting it was an extra step I conciously decided not to take. > inactive, but it was active at the time our stuff got built, so it would > still be valid for the most part. Ah, the link: > http://assist.daps.dla.mil/online/start/ Yeah, now those bastards over at SAE have all the current ones and they *charge* for them! How they get off charging for government developed documentation escapes me. Right now I'm in the process of installing X-Plane 9. It comes on 6 DVDs. If you've never used it, go download the demo. It stomps MSFS flat. :) It's available for Linux, Windows and Macintosh. Multi-player works across and between all versions. While I'm not slaving away in the shop on that cockpit prototype, I'm working on software that will allow you guys to interface the Beta Innovations hardware into any of 6 different flight simulators. The list right now is: FlightGear X-Plane MSFS9 MSFS10 Lock On: Modern Air Combat Any version of IL2 with DeviceLink support It will allow you to tie a Lua script to any function you want done and each script runs in its own thread. Eventually other scripting languages will be added. I hope to add Nasal next, which is the scripting engine used in FlightGear. After that I'll look at some of the ones offered via the Windows Scripting Host. Right now I'm pulling data from FlightGear via a configuration screen using a telnet connection. The next step is to pull it at a constant frequency and make it available to the data space Lua uses. Should prove to be an interesting week. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 3 01:05:57 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 03:05:57 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> Message-ID: <99E8496DCD2C4BF89BAAA9992D4F547F@flightsystems> No shite...BI stuff into those sims? Which BI stuff? All of it? Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 10:15 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB > So I was looking over the F-15 sim page and (December 27 was the last > update? DUDE!) really like what I saw with the lightplate. Nice job Gene! > I've been....distracted. Peruse some of the stuff here: http://www.youtube.com/user/f15sim > Don't get me wrong, I don't want to detract form the work Gene or anyone > else is doing, I just had a bit of info that I thought I would share. > BTW, both F-15s I have done have that lettering backlit so, I'm not > perfect either. :) > Hehe. Yeah, I knew that the side lettering isn't lit. Not lighting it was an extra step I conciously decided not to take. > inactive, but it was active at the time our stuff got built, so it would > still be valid for the most part. Ah, the link: > http://assist.daps.dla.mil/online/start/ Yeah, now those bastards over at SAE have all the current ones and they *charge* for them! How they get off charging for government developed documentation escapes me. Right now I'm in the process of installing X-Plane 9. It comes on 6 DVDs. If you've never used it, go download the demo. It stomps MSFS flat. :) It's available for Linux, Windows and Macintosh. Multi-player works across and between all versions. While I'm not slaving away in the shop on that cockpit prototype, I'm working on software that will allow you guys to interface the Beta Innovations hardware into any of 6 different flight simulators. The list right now is: FlightGear X-Plane MSFS9 MSFS10 Lock On: Modern Air Combat Any version of IL2 with DeviceLink support It will allow you to tie a Lua script to any function you want done and each script runs in its own thread. Eventually other scripting languages will be added. I hope to add Nasal next, which is the scripting engine used in FlightGear. After that I'll look at some of the ones offered via the Windows Scripting Host. Right now I'm pulling data from FlightGear via a configuration screen using a telnet connection. The next step is to pull it at a constant frequency and make it available to the data space Lua uses. Should prove to be an interesting week. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 07:03:48 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <99E8496DCD2C4BF89BAAA9992D4F547F@flightsystems> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> <99E8496DCD2C4BF89BAAA9992D4F547F@flightsystems> Message-ID: > No shite...BI stuff into those sims? Which BI stuff? All of it? > All of it. If the BI API can talk to it, you will be able to. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 3 09:13:34 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:13:34 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><99E8496DCD2C4BF89BAAA9992D4F547F@flightsystems> Message-ID: Dude, that kicks ass...you are the greatest in the world. I know Leo has added some new functionality and has told me he needed to update the SDK. I'll let him know about this. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:04 AM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB > No shite...BI stuff into those sims? Which BI stuff? All of it? > All of it. If the BI API can talk to it, you will be able to. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 10:02:08 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><99E8496DCD2C4BF89BAAA9992D4F547F@flightsystems> Message-ID: > Dude, that kicks ass...you are the greatest in the world. I know Leo has > added some new functionality and has told me he needed to update the SDK. > I'll let him know about this. > Oh trust me, he knows. *laughs* I actually started this project some time ago and only recently got back to it. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 3 10:27:16 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:27:16 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><99E8496DCD2C4BF89BAAA9992D4F547F@flightsystems> Message-ID: I love the fact that I can now also use the pit wit MSFS10 when you get done with this. Cudos to you g. When you get done with this and need some beta testing, let me know. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:02 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB > Dude, that kicks ass...you are the greatest in the world. I know Leo has > added some new functionality and has told me he needed to update the SDK. > I'll let him know about this. > Oh trust me, he knows. *laughs* I actually started this project some time ago and only recently got back to it. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From allendc at qwest.net Tue Jun 3 10:47:42 2008 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:47:42 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> The whole world is watching! The whole world is watching! The whole world is watching! The whole world is watching! The whole world is watching! The whole world is watching! >Right now I'm pulling data from FlightGear via a configuration screen >using a telnet connection. The next step is to pull it at a constant >frequency and make it available to the data space Lua uses. Should prove >to be an interesting week. :) > >g. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 10:48:04 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><99E8496DCD2C4BF89BAAA9992D4F547F@flightsystems> Message-ID: > I love the fact that I can now also use the pit wit MSFS10 when you get done > with this. > > Cudos to you g. When you get done with this and need some beta testing, let > me know. > You're already on the list. :) I'm going to be working on the sims in the order I listed, so FlightGear, XPlane and MSFS9 need to be done before I get to MSFS10. :) Right now I'm working on my data accquisition loop from eating all the cpu. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 12:29:09 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: > The whole world is watching! > > The whole world is watching! > > The whole world is watching! > > The whole world is watching! > > The whole world is watching! > > The whole world is watching! > Yeah well the whole world can just knock it off. All those people peering over the fence really freak out my wife and the cat is looking for his gun. Right now I'm dealing with a blocking socket problem that hangs the whole machine while it waits for a return reply from FlightGear. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From allendc at qwest.net Tue Jun 3 12:38:00 2008 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:38:00 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> At 12:29 PM 6/3/2008 -0700, you wrote: > > The whole world is watching! >Yeah well the whole world can just knock it off. ManLand TM undefended ?????????? > All those people peering over the fence really freak out my wife > and the cat is looking for his >gun. I wonder what gun he is looking for? Maybe a Perazzi SCO/Gold Skeet Combo. with 30" barrels ??? Someone needs to protect the man land, and if the cat can do it, I say job well done! >Right now I'm dealing with a blocking socket problem that hangs the whole >machine while it waits for a return reply from FlightGear. :) I am sure SimConnect will make you life easy, but what do I know, I program using punch cards! Dam the hanging chads!!! >g. > >-- >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ NOD32 3155 (20080603) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 13:25:21 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> <20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: >>> The whole world is watching! >> Yeah well the whole world can just knock it off. > > ManLand TM undefended ?????????? > >> All those people peering over the fence really freak out my wife >> and the cat is looking for his >> gun. > > I wonder what gun he is looking for? Maybe a Perazzi SCO/Gold Skeet > Combo. with 30" barrels ??? > Naw, he's much more fond of the pintle mounted M61A1. It's got that "purr" he can really get into. > Someone needs to protect the man land, and if the cat can do it, I > say job well done! > Rumor has it he's got a Hawk battery on order too. He complains constantly about this idiot in an RV-4 that buzzes the house when he's sunbathing. >> Right now I'm dealing with a blocking socket problem that hangs the whole >> machine while it waits for a return reply from FlightGear. :) > > I am sure SimConnect will make you life easy, but what do I know, I > program using punch cards! > SimConnect is something I will look at for MSFS10, but it doesn't apply to the other simulators. FlightGear, X-Plane, Lock On and IL2 can all use the same basic client side code. MSFS is where it gets weird. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 3 13:38:46 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:38:46 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Gene, I was looking at a post on the site awhile back about tearing apart toggle switches (so they would still work like a real switch, but could be used for a single keystroke (using a keyboard card)) Weak eyes and big mitts make that a challenging proposition for me. Has something different developed since then? I was thinking (rare function for me) that you could wire a small 5 volt relay to a regular toggle switch. When you close the switch, it would discharge a voltage from a very small capaitor to the relay. One which would hold only enough juice to click it once and all over. Then when you turn the switch off (being SPDT) it would connect the capacitor to a supply voltage to charge it up for the next run. I guess you'd have to have a seperate cap for each position, but they are pennies a jar. Any of this make any sense or can I just buy something like that at Radio Shack? Rick From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 3 13:41:20 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <959295.32152.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are you trying to code the interface from scratch or are you using the plugin/addon by, who is it...pete dawson?, that allows you to access the MSFS data? What's it called? Jay Gene Buckle wrote: >>> The whole world is watching! >> Yeah well the whole world can just knock it off. > > ManLand TM undefended ?????????? > >> All those people peering over the fence really freak out my wife >> and the cat is looking for his >> gun. > > I wonder what gun he is looking for? Maybe a Perazzi SCO/Gold Skeet > Combo. with 30" barrels ??? > Naw, he's much more fond of the pintle mounted M61A1. It's got that "purr" he can really get into. > Someone needs to protect the man land, and if the cat can do it, I > say job well done! > Rumor has it he's got a Hawk battery on order too. He complains constantly about this idiot in an RV-4 that buzzes the house when he's sunbathing. >> Right now I'm dealing with a blocking socket problem that hangs the whole >> machine while it waits for a return reply from FlightGear. :) > > I am sure SimConnect will make you life easy, but what do I know, I > program using punch cards! > SimConnect is something I will look at for MSFS10, but it doesn't apply to the other simulators. FlightGear, X-Plane, Lock On and IL2 can all use the same basic client side code. MSFS is where it gets weird. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080603/8ae8a67e/attachment.html From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 3 13:44:07 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <10800.50464.qm@web81605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just by a Plasma MM2 from Beta Innovations...www.betainnovations.com...for 39 bucks and be done with it. Comes with free software that will allow you to fire keystrokes at the computer. The software is designed for Falcon 4.0 but the keystroke portion can be used in any application. Jay Rick Davis wrote: Gene, I was looking at a post on the site awhile back about tearing apart toggle switches (so they would still work like a real switch, but could be used for a single keystroke (using a keyboard card)) Weak eyes and big mitts make that a challenging proposition for me. Has something different developed since then? I was thinking (rare function for me) that you could wire a small 5 volt relay to a regular toggle switch. When you close the switch, it would discharge a voltage from a very small capaitor to the relay. One which would hold only enough juice to click it once and all over. Then when you turn the switch off (being SPDT) it would connect the capacitor to a supply voltage to charge it up for the next run. I guess you'd have to have a seperate cap for each position, but they are pennies a jar. Any of this make any sense or can I just buy something like that at Radio Shack? Rick _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080603/3720effb/attachment.html From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue Jun 3 12:50:47 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:50:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Rick Davis wrote: > I was looking at a post on the site awhile back about tearing apart toggle > switches (so they would still work like a real switch, but could be used for > a single keystroke (using a keyboard card)) Easiest solution by far is this baby: http://www.simpits.org/articles/ke72/KE72.html I love 'em :-) -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From chevello at rcn.com Tue Jun 3 13:49:45 2008 From: chevello at rcn.com (KD) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:49:45 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] IL2 and BI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4845AE69.5010304@rcn.com> Did you say IL2? So I would be able to run a panel using BI hardware when I am in IL2? All of them or only the latest Pacific Fighters? If it is any of them, then I will be REALLY motivated to sell all this extra crap in the garage! K From jimsturs at parambus.com Tue Jun 3 14:00:24 2008 From: jimsturs at parambus.com (Jims Parambus Account) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:00:24 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> <007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <005701c8c5bc$d82f4840$6d00a8c0@RITASYS1> Rick, You have just described the principle behind the early electronic ignition systems for car engines that still used points in their distributor. What it also covers is points switching for model railways. It is commonly referenced as "CD" (capacitor discharge), and yes it should work for you as long as you do not get relay bounce. This little problem can be easily cured by a capacitor and resistor in series across the relay contacts that will effectively "quench" any spark caused by bounces. You will need to experiment with the size capacitor that you use for the main relay call-and-hold circuit. You need the relay to hold ON for the time that the electronics connected to it see it as a keystroke. Remember that some I/O devices scan the inputs so the sopftware needs enough time to see the relay contacts closed for at least one look during the scan period. Check the specs and method of input detection of the interface you intend to use. BTW, the switch needs to be a single-pole change-over with spring bias to one position. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Rick Davis Sent: 03 June 2008 22:39 To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches Gene, I was looking at a post on the site awhile back about tearing apart toggle switches (so they would still work like a real switch, but could be used for a single keystroke (using a keyboard card)) Weak eyes and big mitts make that a challenging proposition for me. Has something different developed since then? I was thinking (rare function for me) that you could wire a small 5 volt relay to a regular toggle switch. When you close the switch, it would discharge a voltage from a very small capaitor to the relay. One which would hold only enough juice to click it once and all over. Then when you turn the switch off (being SPDT) it would connect the capacitor to a supply voltage to charge it up for the next run. I guess you'd have to have a seperate cap for each position, but they are pennies a jar. Any of this make any sense or can I just buy something like that at Radio Shack? Rick _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 3 14:04:35 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:04:35 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: Message-ID: <00ba01c8c5bd$6d6beee0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Roy, Have you seen this? http://www.betainnovations.com/hardware/downloads/Plasma-MM2_OV.pdf Looks like a good deal for 40 clams. That Hagstrom is nice but about 4 times the money. Is it worth the advantage? Thanks for the link Jay. Certainly looks cool to me. Sure easier than building one with busted keyboards. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Rick Davis wrote: > >> I was looking at a post on the site awhile back about tearing apart >> toggle >> switches (so they would still work like a real switch, but could be used >> for >> a single keystroke (using a keyboard card)) > > > Easiest solution by far is this baby: > http://www.simpits.org/articles/ke72/KE72.html > > I love 'em :-) > > -- > > Roy Coates. > Dept of Engineering. > Liverpool University. > E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk > Tel: 0151 794 4862 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs > meter. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From jimsturs at parambus.com Tue Jun 3 14:05:27 2008 From: jimsturs at parambus.com (Jims Parambus Account) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:05:27 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <005701c8c5bc$d82f4840$6d00a8c0@RITASYS1> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <005701c8c5bc$d82f4840$6d00a8c0@RITASYS1> Message-ID: <005801c8c5bd$8c975d40$6d00a8c0@RITASYS1> Sorry, I made one error which reflects what you are trying to do. The switch does not need to be biased one-way. If it is not, then it means that you will not get a second pulse input until you have repositioned the switch and then switched it again. What is also interesting is that if you use a two pole switch, with two relay circuits, you can generate a pulse to two separate inputs for each change in position of the switch. Jim -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Jims Parambus Account Sent: 03 June 2008 23:00 To: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list' Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches Rick, You have just described the principle behind the early electronic ignition systems for car engines that still used points in their distributor. What it also covers is points switching for model railways. It is commonly referenced as "CD" (capacitor discharge), and yes it should work for you as long as you do not get relay bounce. This little problem can be easily cured by a capacitor and resistor in series across the relay contacts that will effectively "quench" any spark caused by bounces. You will need to experiment with the size capacitor that you use for the main relay call-and-hold circuit. You need the relay to hold ON for the time that the electronics connected to it see it as a keystroke. Remember that some I/O devices scan the inputs so the sopftware needs enough time to see the relay contacts closed for at least one look during the scan period. Check the specs and method of input detection of the interface you intend to use. BTW, the switch needs to be a single-pole change-over with spring bias to one position. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Rick Davis Sent: 03 June 2008 22:39 To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches Gene, I was looking at a post on the site awhile back about tearing apart toggle switches (so they would still work like a real switch, but could be used for a single keystroke (using a keyboard card)) Weak eyes and big mitts make that a challenging proposition for me. Has something different developed since then? I was thinking (rare function for me) that you could wire a small 5 volt relay to a regular toggle switch. When you close the switch, it would discharge a voltage from a very small capaitor to the relay. One which would hold only enough juice to click it once and all over. Then when you turn the switch off (being SPDT) it would connect the capacitor to a supply voltage to charge it up for the next run. I guess you'd have to have a seperate cap for each position, but they are pennies a jar. Any of this make any sense or can I just buy something like that at Radio Shack? Rick _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue Jun 3 13:10:00 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:10:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <00ba01c8c5bd$6d6beee0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Rick Davis wrote: > Have you seen this? > > http://www.betainnovations.com/hardware/downloads/Plasma-MM2_OV.pdf > > Looks like a good deal for 40 clams. That Hagstrom is nice but about 4 times > the money. Is it worth the advantage? > > Thanks for the link Jay. Certainly looks cool to me. Sure easier than > building one with busted keyboards. I've not tried the BI stuff although I know gene loves it. The hagstrom may be dearer but is a breeze to setup and from my experience with 4 of them so far - 100% reliable. Just passing on what I know. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 3 14:24:08 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:24:08 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: Message-ID: <00cd01c8c5c0$28d3a1d0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Thanks Roy, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and order up the BI unit tonight. It's 40 bucks and I can afford to stuff that in a tobacco tin with the other junk I bought and wouldn't work if need be. 150.00? hmmmm. I'm not so sure what I want to do with it aside from experiment with a bunch of these old Airforce Surplus switches and junk I got here someplace. I sure ain't got no panel like you got there buddy! Well I do I guess. It's also in the basement leaned up against the table saw and resembles a sheet of 3/4" plywood. Been there six months. Lots of toys and no time. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Rick Davis wrote: > >> Have you seen this? >> >> http://www.betainnovations.com/hardware/downloads/Plasma-MM2_OV.pdf >> >> Looks like a good deal for 40 clams. That Hagstrom is nice but about 4 >> times >> the money. Is it worth the advantage? >> >> Thanks for the link Jay. Certainly looks cool to me. Sure easier than >> building one with busted keyboards. > > > I've not tried the BI stuff although I know gene loves it. > > The hagstrom may be dearer but is a breeze to setup and from my experience > with 4 of them so far - 100% reliable. > > Just passing on what I know. > > > -- > > Roy Coates. > Dept of Engineering. > Liverpool University. > E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk > Tel: 0151 794 4862 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs > meter. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 14:24:47 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> <007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: > Gene, > > I was looking at a post on the site awhile back about tearing apart toggle > switches (so they would still work like a real switch, but could be used for > a single keystroke (using a keyboard card)) > > Weak eyes and big mitts make that a challenging proposition for me. Has > something different developed since then? > Technology has advanced greatly since then. Avoid tearing apart a keyboard and go check out the Hagstrom keyboard encoders for a similar method that won't require the early death of an innocent toggle switch. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 3 14:24:41 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:24:41 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><005701c8c5bc$d82f4840$6d00a8c0@RITASYS1> <005801c8c5bd$8c975d40$6d00a8c0@RITASYS1> Message-ID: <00d101c8c5c0$3c9bb810$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> That's sort of line I was thinking Jim. I have the remnants of a ten year run at TV repair here in the basement. Handy for making a living when you could actually fix them, or they were worth fixing. I have a lot of Electrolytic anywhere from 1 mfd up. Small voltage too. Just a matter of doing the math and playing around with them. Thinking about it now, I really like the idea of dropping 50 bucks and just hooking it up! ha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jims Parambus Account" To: ; "'Simulator Cockpit tech list'" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > Sorry, I made one error which reflects what you are trying > to do. The switch does not need to be biased one-way. If it > is not, then it means that you will not get a second pulse > input until you have repositioned the switch and then switched > it again. What is also interesting is that if you use a two > pole switch, with two relay circuits, you can generate a pulse > to two separate inputs for each change in position of the switch. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Jims Parambus > Account > Sent: 03 June 2008 23:00 > To: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list' > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > > Rick, > > You have just described the principle behind the early electronic > ignition systems for car engines that still used points in their > distributor. > What it also covers is points switching for model railways. > It is commonly referenced as "CD" (capacitor discharge), and > yes it should work for you as long as you do not get relay bounce. > This little problem can be easily cured by a capacitor and resistor > in series across the relay contacts that will effectively "quench" > any spark caused by bounces. > You will need to experiment with the size capacitor that you use for > the main relay call-and-hold circuit. You need the relay to hold > ON for the time that the electronics connected to it see it as a > keystroke. Remember that some I/O devices scan the inputs so the > sopftware needs enough time to see the relay contacts closed for > at least one look during the scan period. Check the specs and > method of input detection of the interface you intend to use. > > BTW, the switch needs to be a single-pole change-over with spring > bias to one position. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Rick Davis > Sent: 03 June 2008 22:39 > To: Simulator Cockpit tech list > Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > > Gene, > > I was looking at a post on the site awhile back about tearing apart toggle > switches (so they would still work like a real switch, but could be used > for > > a single keystroke (using a keyboard card)) > > Weak eyes and big mitts make that a challenging proposition for me. Has > something different developed since then? > > I was thinking (rare function for me) that you could wire a small 5 volt > relay to a regular toggle switch. When you close the switch, it would > discharge a voltage from a very small capaitor to the relay. One which > would > > hold only enough juice to click it once and all over. Then when you turn > the > > switch off (being SPDT) it would connect the capacitor to a supply voltage > to charge it up for the next run. I guess you'd have to have a seperate > cap > for each position, but they are pennies a jar. > > Any of this make any sense or can I just buy something like that at Radio > Shack? > > Rick > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 14:26:17 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <959295.32152.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <959295.32152.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Are you trying to code the interface from scratch or are you using the > plugin/addon by, who is it...pete dawson?, that allows you to access the > MSFS data? What's it called? Pete wrote FSUIPC. I've looked at using it, but I would like to put this thing out as shareware which creates issues with licensing FSUIPC. I haven't decided for sure what I'm going to do about it yet. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 3 14:26:31 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:26:31 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> OK, Now both our techs are in the same camp. This is going to cost me 150.00 isn't it? ha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches >> Gene, >> >> I was looking at a post on the site awhile back about tearing apart >> toggle >> switches (so they would still work like a real switch, but could be used >> for >> a single keystroke (using a keyboard card)) >> >> Weak eyes and big mitts make that a challenging proposition for me. Has >> something different developed since then? >> > > Technology has advanced greatly since then. Avoid tearing apart a > keyboard and go check out the Hagstrom keyboard encoders for a similar > method that won't require the early death of an innocent toggle switch. > > :) > > g. > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 14:28:42 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] IL2 and BI? In-Reply-To: <4845AE69.5010304@rcn.com> References: <4845AE69.5010304@rcn.com> Message-ID: > Did you say IL2? > > So I would be able to run a panel using BI hardware when I am in IL2? > > All of them or only the latest Pacific Fighters? > Any version of IL2 that supports their DeviceLink protocol. As far as I know, PF does support it. Be aware that the bastards decided to lobotomize the DeviceLink output during multi-play. I haven't found out how bad it is though. > If it is any of them, then I will be REALLY motivated to sell all this > extra crap in the garage! > Nah, don't sell it. Just ship it to me. *laughs* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 14:32:25 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: > Now both our techs are in the same camp. > > This is going to cost me 150.00 isn't it? > Well no. I er...forgot the software that BI includes with his stuff. I've never actually run it. *Sees Leo coming, runs and hides* The Plasma-MM2 is actually a more useful device as you get 64 switch inputs as well as 8 joystick axes. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 3 14:39:36 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:39:36 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> the plot thickens I think I will go ahead and order the BI MM2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches >> Now both our techs are in the same camp. >> >> This is going to cost me 150.00 isn't it? >> > > Well no. I er...forgot the software that BI includes with his stuff. > I've never actually run it. *Sees Leo coming, runs and hides* > > The Plasma-MM2 is actually a more useful device as you get 64 switch > inputs as well as 8 joystick axes. > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 14:46:40 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: > the plot thickens > > I think I will go ahead and order the BI MM2 > Good call. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 3 14:56:51 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:56:51 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <013b01c8c5c4$baceb530$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Does it come with a cable/plug? Or is that something not included in the 39.00. The website is a bit vague. The Hagstrom does have that handy terminal block, but I have a few here as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches >> the plot thickens >> >> I think I will go ahead and order the BI MM2 >> > Good call. :) > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 15:01:55 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <013b01c8c5c4$baceb530$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <013b01c8c5c4$baceb530$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: > Does it come with a cable/plug? Or is that something not included in the > 39.00. The website is a bit vague. > The one I ordered a few weeks ago for the cockpit prototype project didn't have one. I break the contacts out using .100 dual row crimp-on connectors and a terminal block. Easier to work with that way. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 3 15:05:04 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:05:04 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><013b01c8c5c4$baceb530$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <014201c8c5c5$e0ae7d20$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> OK Thanks. Ordering away. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches >> Does it come with a cable/plug? Or is that something not included in the >> 39.00. The website is a bit vague. >> > The one I ordered a few weeks ago for the cockpit prototype project didn't > have one. I break the contacts out using .100 dual row crimp-on > connectors and a terminal block. Easier to work with that way. > > g. > > > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 3 15:20:18 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:20:18 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><013b01c8c5c4$baceb530$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <014201c8c5c5$e0ae7d20$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <015f01c8c5c8$01928610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Well, They will only take Pay Pal, Money Order or Check. I don't have Pay Pal, and I ain't sending no MO or check. Can you buy them anywhere else besides from them? Maybe I'll call them. R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Davis" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > OK > > Thanks. > > Ordering away. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene Buckle" > To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > > >>> Does it come with a cable/plug? Or is that something not included in the >>> 39.00. The website is a bit vague. >>> >> The one I ordered a few weeks ago for the cockpit prototype project >> didn't >> have one. I break the contacts out using .100 dual row crimp-on >> connectors and a terminal block. Easier to work with that way. >> >> g. >> >> >> >> -- >> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. >> _______________________________________________ >> Simpits-tech mailing list >> Simpits-tech at simpits.org >> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >> To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >> page. Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 15:23:06 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <015f01c8c5c8$01928610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><013b01c8c5c4$baceb530$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <014201c8c5c5$e0ae7d20$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <015f01c8c5c8$01928610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: > They will only take Pay Pal, Money Order or Check. > > I don't have Pay Pal, and I ain't sending no MO or check. > > Can you buy them anywhere else besides from them? > > Maybe I'll call them. > You can reach "them" at leo at betainnovations.com. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From lestatandakasha at msn.com Tue Jun 3 15:54:00 2008 From: lestatandakasha at msn.com (Jamie) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:54:00 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><013b01c8c5c4$baceb530$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><014201c8c5c5$e0ae7d20$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><015f01c8c5c8$01928610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><013b01c8c5c4$baceb530$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><014201c8c5c5$e0ae7d20$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><015f01c8c5c8$01928610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: there is of course the option of Leo Bodnars little circuit. I have used 5 of these and if you buy more then one you can have them customised to make them recognisable ( very important when setting up and fault finding) These work on a matrix and will happily allow you to connect 64 different toggles to them. just need a diode. they also up to 8 different axis to be configured as you wish. As it's a joystick, its not quite as configurable as a keyboard controller, but that can be sorted with FSUIPC. Works in everything, IL2 the lot. Im a big fan. Not bad for 45 bucks. http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/joystick/ -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Buckle" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:23 PM To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches >> They will only take Pay Pal, Money Order or Check. >> >> I don't have Pay Pal, and I ain't sending no MO or check. >> >> Can you buy them anywhere else besides from them? >> >> Maybe I'll call them. >> > > You can reach "them" at leo at betainnovations.com. :) > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > From sjimc at xtra.co.nz Tue Jun 3 16:11:55 2008 From: sjimc at xtra.co.nz (Jim and Liz) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:11:55 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><013b01c8c5c4$baceb530$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><014201c8c5c5$e0ae7d20$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><015f01c8c5c8$01928610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <000801c8c5cf$38f98d40$0a00000a@P2800A> *JimNZ comes out of lurking mode for this one ,,,* A thing to think of is,, how many inputs you want. Once you have something to interface to, it's surprising how many you actually end up needing. On my rather simple panel, I use 96 inputs !!!! Another option is Xkeys ,, 128 inputs ,,, http://www.piengineering.com/custom/xkmatrix.php I done a wee write-up on inputs ,,, http://www.jimspage.co.nz/encoders.htm *JimNZ slinks back into lurking mode for another year or so.* From lestatandakasha at msn.com Tue Jun 3 16:31:56 2008 From: lestatandakasha at msn.com (Jamie) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 00:31:56 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <000801c8c5cf$38f98d40$0a00000a@P2800A> References: <000801c8c5cf$38f98d40$0a00000a@P2800A> Message-ID: thank you for that - a really interesting write up. I get really fed up with "this is the really expensive solution" stories that circulate around flight simulator circles, and it's a breath of fresh air to read about someone like myself that tries to fix problems by making their own tools. I must admit that's probably why I like this group so much. Im deffo nicking your rotary encoder idea. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim and Liz" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:11 AM To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > *JimNZ comes out of lurking mode for this one ,,,* > > A thing to think of is,, how many inputs you want. > Once you have something to interface to, it's surprising how many you > actually end up needing. > On my rather simple panel, I use 96 inputs !!!! > > Another option is Xkeys ,, 128 inputs ,,, > http://www.piengineering.com/custom/xkmatrix.php > > I done a wee write-up on inputs ,,, > http://www.jimspage.co.nz/encoders.htm > > *JimNZ slinks back into lurking mode for another year or so.* > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 3 16:41:12 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:41:12 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: <000801c8c5cf$38f98d40$0a00000a@P2800A> Message-ID: <01a201c8c5d3$4eeb3d70$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Very nice work Jim. That is a lot of work. And thanks for Un-Lurking! ha. This one doesn't seem to have input for Axis. Just switches? (I could have missed something) Not that Axis matters, because I will be using stand alone (perhaps built in - but USB) Yoke and pedals, BUT, I want something which will allow me to use real switches in a panel for things like, Lights, Fuel Pump, Batteries etc. All those single lever toggle or rocker switches as keyboard strokes in X-Plane. I would also like the ability to incorporate the Trim wheel, as well as Autplilot, Heading , VS, controls etc. (with pots(Axis?)) Is this possible with this unit? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Liz" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > *JimNZ comes out of lurking mode for this one ,,,* > > A thing to think of is,, how many inputs you want. > Once you have something to interface to, it's surprising how many you > actually end up needing. > On my rather simple panel, I use 96 inputs !!!! > > Another option is Xkeys ,, 128 inputs ,,, > http://www.piengineering.com/custom/xkmatrix.php > > I done a wee write-up on inputs ,,, > http://www.jimspage.co.nz/encoders.htm > > *JimNZ slinks back into lurking mode for another year or so.* > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From sjimc at xtra.co.nz Tue Jun 3 17:41:29 2008 From: sjimc at xtra.co.nz (Jim and Liz) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:41:29 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: <000801c8c5cf$38f98d40$0a00000a@P2800A> <01a201c8c5d3$4eeb3d70$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <001c01c8c5db$bbc63d20$0a00000a@P2800A> Thanks guys ,, Yea, I think I spend too much time on "How can I do this for nothing" ?? :) Rick,, No the Xkey wont do axis inputs (pots) ,, its purly a keystroke entry means. I dont know a thing about Xplane but if there is a keystroke allocated to (say) trim then you can still use a keyboard encoder to adjust it. For instance (in FSX) I used a switch that was sprung to centre 'OFF' and by moving the switch up,, it trimmed up (auto repeat) and if I pushed the switch down (auto repeat) it trimmed down. Or you could hook up a wheel to a pulse switch or something like I made for the rotary encoder cheapy and still input into a keyboard encoder to change the trim, or what ever. The basic thing remains,, if you can make "????" change by using the keyboard then you can use a keyboard encoder to do the same. Sometimes you need to check the SDK to see if its available. True 'rotary encoders' are a different beast altogether and you need a board that will handle them ,, my homemade "rotary encoder" just mimic's the actions of a rotary encoder thru a keyboard encoder. ... 'Rotary encoder' inputs are very different to 'axis inputs' (pots)commonly used with joysticks etc. Hope that helps Rick ,,,, Jim NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Davis" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > Very nice work Jim. That is a lot of work. > > And thanks for Un-Lurking! ha. > > This one doesn't seem to have input for Axis. Just switches? (I could have > missed something) > > Not that Axis matters, because I will be using stand alone (perhaps built > in - but USB) Yoke and pedals, BUT, > > I want something which will allow me to use real switches in a panel for > things like, Lights, Fuel Pump, Batteries etc. All those single lever > toggle > or rocker switches as keyboard strokes in X-Plane. I would also like the > ability to incorporate the Trim wheel, as well as Autplilot, Heading , VS, > controls etc. (with pots(Axis?)) > > Is this possible with this unit? > > Rick > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim and Liz" > To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:11 PM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > > >> *JimNZ comes out of lurking mode for this one ,,,* >> >> A thing to think of is,, how many inputs you want. >> Once you have something to interface to, it's surprising how many you >> actually end up needing. >> On my rather simple panel, I use 96 inputs !!!! >> >> Another option is Xkeys ,, 128 inputs ,,, >> http://www.piengineering.com/custom/xkmatrix.php >> >> I done a wee write-up on inputs ,,, >> http://www.jimspage.co.nz/encoders.htm >> >> *JimNZ slinks back into lurking mode for another year or so.* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Simpits-tech mailing list >> Simpits-tech at simpits.org >> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >> To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >> page. Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From allendc at qwest.net Tue Jun 3 18:42:42 2008 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:42:42 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> <20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <20080604014251.7E5B7621C44@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> At 01:25 PM 6/3/2008 -0700, you wrote: > >>> The whole world is watching! > >> Yeah well the whole world can just knock it off. > > > > ManLand TM undefended ?????????? > > > >> All those people peering over the fence really freak out my wife > >> and the cat is looking for his > >> gun. > > > > I wonder what gun he is looking for? Maybe a Perazzi SCO/Gold Skeet > > Combo. with 30" barrels ??? > > >Naw, he's much more fond of the pintle mounted M61A1. It's got that >"purr" he can really get into. A cat with that much talent you should take on the road during rush hour traffic > > Someone needs to protect the man land, and if the cat can do it, I > > say job well done! > > >Rumor has it he's got a Hawk battery on order too. He complains >constantly about this idiot in an RV-4 that buzzes the house when he's >sunbathing. With that much extra cash you should quit your day job. > >> Right now I'm dealing with a blocking socket problem that hangs the whole > >> machine while it waits for a return reply from FlightGear. :) > > > > I am sure SimConnect will make you life easy, but what do I know, I > > program using punch cards! > > > >SimConnect is something I will look at for MSFS10, but it doesn't apply to >the other simulators. FlightGear, X-Plane, Lock On and IL2 can all use >the same basic client side code. MSFS is where it gets weird. Nothing wrong with weird, look who has a F15 in their shop! David From chevello at rcn.com Tue Jun 3 18:46:55 2008 From: chevello at rcn.com (KD) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:46:55 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] No devicelink in multiplay :( In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4845F40F.1030102@rcn.com> Yeah, No Devicelink in multiplayer on IL2 I forgot about that. That is the only reason to have a panel. Single player sucks in that game. GAH! >> >> > Any version of IL2 that supports their DeviceLink protocol. > As far as I know, PF does support it. > > Be aware that the bastards decided to lobotomize the DeviceLink output > during multi-play. I haven't found out how bad it is though. > > >> If it is any of them, then I will be REALLY motivated to sell all this >> extra crap in the garage! >> >> > Nah, don't sell it. Just ship it to me. *laughs* > > g. > > You have to pay for shipping on the next batch. I have been going through boxes and finding more connectors that I knew I had and couldn't find the first time. I even have both sides of some of them :) I'll trade you that big PFC console for your shop bot though *REALLY laughs* K From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Tue Jun 3 19:04:36 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 22:04:36 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB Message-ID: <613c3439eaf340378e5a1c68ce34e6f3.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> >With that much extra cash you should quit your day job. Gene has a day job? I only work an hour a day right now and I don't think I could find the time for all the nonsense he does... This can mean only one thing... Gene has a Time Machine!! C'mon man, why have you been holding out for so long!?!?! Forget the shopbot, post some youtube vids of THAT in action!! :D Valiantly ducking trout, Brian From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 19:16:33 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <20080604014251.7E5B7621C44@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> <20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> <20080604014251.7E5B7621C44@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: >> Rumor has it he's got a Hawk battery on order too. He complains >> constantly about this idiot in an RV-4 that buzzes the house when he's >> sunbathing. > > With that much extra cash you should quit your day job. > Naw, it's all him. He charges extra for neighborhood "favors". >> SimConnect is something I will look at for MSFS10, but it doesn't apply to >> the other simulators. FlightGear, X-Plane, Lock On and IL2 can all use >> the same basic client side code. MSFS is where it gets weird. > > Nothing wrong with weird, look who has a F15 in their shop! > Pot, kettle, black, sonny. Who has the business end of a 737 upended in their driveway? :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 19:18:06 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] No devicelink in multiplay :( In-Reply-To: <4845F40F.1030102@rcn.com> References: <4845F40F.1030102@rcn.com> Message-ID: > Yeah, No Devicelink in multiplayer on IL2 I forgot about that. That is > the only reason to have a panel. Single player sucks in that game. GAH! Is DeviceLink _totally_ disabled in multi-play? > > You have to pay for shipping on the next batch. I have been going > through boxes and finding more connectors that I knew I had and couldn't > find the first time. I even have both sides of some of them :) > Hehe. No problem. :) > I'll trade you that big PFC console for your shop bot though *REALLY > laughs* > Yaaa. Good luck with that. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 19:19:45 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <613c3439eaf340378e5a1c68ce34e6f3.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <613c3439eaf340378e5a1c68ce34e6f3.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > Gene has a day job? > Money don't rain from the sky there bird-man. :) > I only work an hour a day right now and I don't think > I could find the time for all the nonsense he does... > That's ok, there are times that I have so many things going at once, I just vibrate in place due to selection buffer overflows. :) > This can mean only one thing... Gene has a Time > Machine!! C'mon man, why have you been holding out > for so long!?!?! Forget the shopbot, post some > youtube vids of THAT in action!! :D > Shhhh! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From allendc at qwest.net Tue Jun 3 19:22:16 2008 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:22:16 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <613c3439eaf340378e5a1c68ce34e6f3.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <613c3439eaf340378e5a1c68ce34e6f3.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: <20080604022222.0C9DC53BD26@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> At 10:04 PM 6/3/2008 -0400, you wrote: > >With that much extra cash you should quit your day job. > >Gene has a day job? He keeps telling people that tale >:-} >:-} >I only work an hour a day right now and I don't think >I could find the time for all the nonsense he does... > >This can mean only one thing... Gene has a Time >Machine!! C'mon man, why have you been holding out >for so long!?!?! Forget the shopbot, post some >youtube vids of THAT in action!! :D Probably hidden in the avionics bay of the F15, after all if the could build one from a DeLorean >Valiantly ducking trout, More than one! >Brian > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ NOD32 3156 (20080603) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From allendc at qwest.net Tue Jun 3 19:27:57 2008 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:27:57 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> <20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> <20080604014251.7E5B7621C44@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <20080604022802.8405762796E@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> At 07:16 PM 6/3/2008 -0700, you wrote: > >> Rumor has it he's got a Hawk battery on order too. He complains > >> constantly about this idiot in an RV-4 that buzzes the house when he's > >> sunbathing. > > > > With that much extra cash you should quit your day job. > > >Naw, it's all him. He charges extra for neighborhood "favors". Stud Fees????????????????? > >> SimConnect is something I will look at for MSFS10, but it doesn't apply to > >> the other simulators. FlightGear, X-Plane, Lock On and IL2 can all use > >> the same basic client side code. MSFS is where it gets weird. > > > > Nothing wrong with weird, look who has a F15 in their shop! > > >Pot, kettle, black, sonny. Who has the business end of a 737 upended in >their driveway? :) It's now horizontal, and sitting on blocks! >g. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 19:40:05 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <20080604022802.8405762796E@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> <20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> <20080604014251.7E5B7621C44@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> <20080604022802.8405762796E@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: >>> >>> Nothing wrong with weird, look who has a F15 in their shop! >>> >> Pot, kettle, black, sonny. Who has the business end of a 737 upended in >> their driveway? :) > > It's now horizontal, and sitting on blocks! > Jeeze, I told you not to put those 21" chrome wheels on it. Now see what happens! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From allendc at qwest.net Tue Jun 3 19:49:27 2008 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:49:27 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> <20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> <20080604014251.7E5B7621C44@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> <20080604022802.8405762796E@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <20080604024950.64996621D2E@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> At 07:40 PM 6/3/2008 -0700, you wrote: > >>> > >>> Nothing wrong with weird, look who has a F15 in their shop! > >>> > >> Pot, kettle, black, sonny. Who has the business end of a 737 upended in > >> their driveway? :) > > > > It's now horizontal, and sitting on blocks! > > >Jeeze, I told you not to put those 21" chrome wheels on it. I almost got the Idaho Department of Motor Vehicles to issue license plates, but I screwed up and marked 2 engines on the application! Next time I will try for RV plates! >Now see what happens! Wife wants to turn it into a sun room, and I may have to tell the city it is a storage unit! >g. > >-- >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ NOD32 3156 (20080603) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 20:08:29 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <20080604024950.64996621D2E@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> <20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> <20080604014251.7E5B7621C44@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> <20080604022802.8405762796E@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> <20080604024950.64996621D2E@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: > > Wife wants to turn it into a sun room, and I may have to tell the > city it is a storage unit! > You tell the city that unless it's on fire or sprouting a meth lab, it's none of their farking business. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjones at pipecomp.com.au Wed Jun 4 03:42:32 2008 From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:42:32 +0900 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><20080604014251.7E5B7621C44@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net><20080604022802.8405762796E@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net><20080604024950.64996621D2E@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <006901c8c62f$b1acbef0$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> Well put Gene !!. Last week a council ranger knocked on my door and asked why I had a 32 foot enclosed trailer parked on my front lawn. (within my boundaries) I replied " Its easier than reversing into my driveway". locked the front door and went to work. I got home after 12 hours at work with 2 police cars sitting in my driveway blocking it, so I drove around on my front lawn got out locked the car and went inside and locked the front door. 15 mins later police knock at the door and ask "what's the trailer for", my response "to hook up to the back of my car and tow behind me to easily transport goods." BAD MOVE ! I must have got the 4 police with out a humour upgrade. After 20 mins of questioning "what's it for, what are you transporting", I finally gave up and gave them the key's to the trailer, they opened it and finally discovered a glider (sailplane) in it. I was asked why I didn't tell them straight away what was in the trailer...... my response "None of the rangers or the police's farking business" BAD MOVE. Any how the police finally finished giving me a ear full and left. Asshats. Ben West Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" > > >> Wife wants to turn it into a sun room, and I may have to tell the >> city it is a storage unit! >> > You tell the city that unless it's on fire or sprouting a meth lab, it's > none of their farking business. :) > > g. > > -- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 06:53:47 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 06:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <006901c8c62f$b1acbef0$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><20080604014251.7E5B7621C44@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net><20080604022802.8405762796E@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net><20080604024950.64996621D2E@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> <006901c8c62f$b1acbef0$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> Message-ID: > Last week a council ranger knocked on my door and asked why I had a 32 foot > enclosed trailer parked on my front lawn. (within my boundaries) > What's a "council ranger"? > I replied " Its easier than reversing into my driveway". locked the front > door and went to work. > *snicker* > 15 mins later police knock at the door and ask "what's the trailer for", my > response "to hook up to the back of my car and tow behind me to easily > transport goods." > *snickers* > Any how the police finally finished giving me a ear full and left. > Heheh. I don't know about Oz, but depending on how nice/annoying they were, I would've told 'em that I'd be more than happy to show them the contents of the trailer when they return with a warrant. :) I must be starting that downward slide into "get off my damn lawn!" land. *sigh* :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Jun 4 06:00:40 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:00:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: For the last few years I've had the front 12 feet of a jet fighter parked on my driveway. I'm absolutely *amazed* it hasn't caused me any grief. Interestingly, it was away at a show last summer for about a week and neighbours kept asking me where it had gone. They all, without exception, wanted it back. I guess it's become a local landmark. > > Last week a council ranger knocked on my door and asked why I had a 32 foot > > enclosed trailer parked on my front lawn. (within my boundaries) > > > What's a "council ranger"? > > > I replied " Its easier than reversing into my driveway". locked the front > > door and went to work. > > > *snicker* > > > 15 mins later police knock at the door and ask "what's the trailer for", my > > response "to hook up to the back of my car and tow behind me to easily > > transport goods." > > > *snickers* > > > Any how the police finally finished giving me a ear full and left. > > > > Heheh. I don't know about Oz, but depending on how nice/annoying they > were, I would've told 'em that I'd be more than happy to show them the > contents of the trailer when they return with a warrant. :) I must be > starting that downward slide into "get off my damn lawn!" land. *sigh* :) > > g. > > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 07:06:57 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > For the last few years I've had the front 12 feet of a jet fighter parked > on my driveway. I'm absolutely *amazed* it hasn't caused me any grief. > Probably because they haven't gotten the CCTV aimed at your house yet. Just wait, the UNK will get around to it (United Nanny Kingdom). *huge grin* (and seriously, for the life of me I cannot fathom why you guys haven't risen up and torn down every last one of those things.) > Interestingly, it was away at a show last summer for about a week and > neighbours kept asking me where it had gone. They all, without exception, > wanted it back. I guess it's become a local landmark. > That's probably because the end result of your restoration job was more art than airplane. :) Now you know you're on to something if you park the rest of it there and get the same reaction. :) You can paint runway stripes on the street and tell everyone you're part of a new, more powerful Neighborhood Watch. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Jun 4 06:11:52 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:11:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > For the last few years I've had the front 12 feet of a jet fighter parked > > on my driveway. I'm absolutely *amazed* it hasn't caused me any grief. > > > Probably because they haven't gotten the CCTV aimed at your house yet. > Just wait, the UNK will get around to it (United Nanny Kingdom). *huge > grin* (and seriously, for the life of me I cannot fathom why you guys > haven't risen up and torn down every last one of those things.) *grumble* nanny state *grouch* gordon-bloody-brown *load*aim*fire* > > Interestingly, it was away at a show last summer for about a week and > > neighbours kept asking me where it had gone. They all, without exception, > > wanted it back. I guess it's become a local landmark. > > > That's probably because the end result of your restoration job was more > art than airplane. :) Now you know you're on to something if you park the > rest of it there and get the same reaction. :) Ah, they didn't see it until it was finished. > You can paint runway stripes on the street and tell everyone you're part > of a new, more powerful Neighborhood Watch. :) LOL! I like that, AND I know where I can lay my hands on four 20mm Hispano Cannons... ;-) -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 07:17:03 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> Probably because they haven't gotten the CCTV aimed at your house yet. >> Just wait, the UNK will get around to it (United Nanny Kingdom). *huge >> grin* (and seriously, for the life of me I cannot fathom why you guys >> haven't risen up and torn down every last one of those things.) > > *grumble* nanny state *grouch* gordon-bloody-brown *load*aim*fire* > You'd better chase down ol' Tony while you're at it. The craze started under his watch. What suprises me is that the Monarchy just sits there and does nothing. Do they have no power at all? > >> You can paint runway stripes on the street and tell everyone you're part >> of a new, more powerful Neighborhood Watch. :) > > LOL! I like that, AND I know where I can lay my hands on four 20mm > Hispano Cannons... ;-) > "Well yes, you need to move. Yes, your whole house. I need to set the convergence of the guns and your house is in the way. Look, you don't understand. I don't do it by sight, I do it by *firing* the guns. Yes, I know your kitchen is right there, but trust me, if you don't move the house, the sudden lack of a kitchen will be the least of your problems." :D g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Jun 4 06:22:29 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:22:29 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > *grumble* nanny state *grouch* gordon-bloody-brown *load*aim*fire* > > > You'd better chase down ol' Tony while you're at it. The craze started > under his watch. What suprises me is that the Monarchy just sits there > and does nothing. Do they have no power at all? Nope. The royals are a figurehead, they entertain foreign dignatories and they do a lot of foreign trade. Oh, and they use military hardware for their own amusement. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 07:47:42 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Nope. > > The royals are a figurehead, they entertain foreign dignatories and they > do a lot of foreign trade. Oh, and they use military hardware for their > own amusement. > That's a shame. Well up to the "use military hardware for their own amusement" part. That's pretty cool. *laughs* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Wed Jun 4 07:51:50 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:51:50 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB Message-ID: <07574b9e518a4fc8a773152bd57eacf1.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> >Heheh. I don't know about Oz, but depending on how nice/annoying they >were, I would've told 'em that I'd be more than happy to show them the >contents of the trailer when they return with a warrant. :) I must be >starting that downward slide into "get off my damn lawn!" land. *sigh* :) You need this, Gene: http://www.sikkema.us/getoffmylawn_small.jpg From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 07:51:22 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <07574b9e518a4fc8a773152bd57eacf1.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <07574b9e518a4fc8a773152bd57eacf1.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > You need this, Gene: > http://www.sikkema.us/getoffmylawn_small.jpg > *wistful sigh* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Jun 4 06:58:01 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:58:01 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > Nope. > > > > The royals are a figurehead, they entertain foreign dignatories and they > > do a lot of foreign trade. Oh, and they use military hardware for their > > own amusement. > > > That's a shame. Well up to the "use military hardware for their own > amusement" part. That's pretty cool. *laughs* didn't you hear about that? Prince william used a Chinook to pick up brother harry and head off to a stag party ! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Wed Jun 4 08:13:08 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:13:08 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB Message-ID: >didn't you hear about that? Prince william used a Chinook to pick up >brother harry and head off to a stag party ! Roy, we're Americans. We don't bother to notice what's going on anywhere else in the world! ;) Besides, who hasn't? Wait... From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Jun 4 07:18:19 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:18:19 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Brian Sikkema wrote: > >didn't you hear about that? Prince william used a Chinook to pick up > >brother harry and head off to a stag party ! > > Roy, we're Americans. We don't bother to notice what's going on anywhere else in the world! ;) Yeah, we kinda noticed that ! > Besides, who hasn't? Wait... Heh... if only! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Wed Jun 4 08:37:08 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:37:08 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Why do people feel compelled to fix what isn't broken? Message-ID: <8aebe4ac699945f1b91e9af455f523f2.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Just venting. Here at work we've "upgraded" to the newest version of Office. Not that the previous version didn't work just dandy. Now Outlook gives me all kinds of fits and rarely works properly. I'm trying to start a new email and it says that it can't because a Dialog Box is open. Not that I see... So I try and close the program. Nope, not gonna let me. Ctrl-Alt-Delete for YOU, my friend... *grumble* MS sucks... From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 08:37:19 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>> The royals are a figurehead, they entertain foreign dignatories and they >>> do a lot of foreign trade. Oh, and they use military hardware for their >>> own amusement. >>> >> That's a shame. Well up to the "use military hardware for their own >> amusement" part. That's pretty cool. *laughs* > > > didn't you hear about that? Prince william used a Chinook to pick up > brother harry and head off to a stag party ! > Hehehe. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Jun 4 07:45:45 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:45:45 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Why do people feel compelled to fix what isn't broken? In-Reply-To: <8aebe4ac699945f1b91e9af455f523f2.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Brian Sikkema wrote: > Just venting. Here at work we've "upgraded" to the newest version of Office. Not that the previous version didn't work just dandy. > Now Outlook gives me all kinds of fits and rarely works properly. I'm trying to start a new email and it says that it can't > because a Dialog Box is open. Not that I see... So I try and close the program. Nope, not gonna let me. > > Ctrl-Alt-Delete for YOU, my friend... *grumble* > > MS sucks... They've just done the same thing to us here too. The new (and improved?) Word sucks donkey bollocks. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 08:47:27 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>> didn't you hear about that? Prince william used a Chinook to pick up >>> brother harry and head off to a stag party ! >> >> Roy, we're Americans. We don't bother to notice what's going on anywhere else in the world! ;) > > Yeah, we kinda noticed that ! > Hey, be nice or we'll bring democracy to *your* country. :) g. (wonders when the carrier USS Ukian is due to dock...) -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Wed Jun 4 08:51:06 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:51:06 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB Message-ID: <8e5c197a612041f5b0aaf5ca341249fd.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> http://www.sikkema.us/America.jpg 'Nuff said. ;) >------- Original Message ------- >From : Gene Buckle[mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com] >Sent : 6/4/2008 11:47:27 AM >To : simpits-tech at simpits.org >Cc : >Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB > >>>> didn't you hear about that? Prince william used a Chinook to pick up >>> brother harry and head off to a stag party ! >> >> Roy, we're Americans. We don't bother to notice what's going on anywhere else in the world! ;) > > Yeah, we kinda noticed that ! > Hey, be nice or we'll bring democracy to *your* country. :) g. (wonders when the carrier USS Ukian is due to dock...) -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Jun 4 07:53:23 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:53:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >> Roy, we're Americans. We don't bother to notice what's going on anywhere else in the world! ;) > > > > Yeah, we kinda noticed that ! > > > Hey, be nice or we'll bring democracy to *your* country. :) > > g. > (wonders when the carrier USS Ukian is due to dock...) Democracy? Wassat then? With petrol at about 6 pounds ($12) per gallon over here, we can't AFFORD democracy. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 08:51:57 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Why do people feel compelled to fix what isn't broken? In-Reply-To: <8aebe4ac699945f1b91e9af455f523f2.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <8aebe4ac699945f1b91e9af455f523f2.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > Just venting. Here at work we've "upgraded" to the newest version of > Office. Not that the previous version didn't work just dandy. Now > Outlook gives me all kinds of fits and rarely works properly. I'm trying > to start a new email and it says that it can't because a Dialog Box is > open. Not that I see... So I try and close the program. Nope, not gonna > let me. > hehehe. Remember, the answer isn't Microsoft. The *question* is Microsoft and the answer is NO! :) Their latest incarnation of Exchange (2007) requires *3* servers to do the job of one mail & calendar server. How's THAT for progress, eh? Try Lotus Symphony - it's now free: http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.jspa ..and if you're a Linux user, Evolution has an Exchange connector: http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/ g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 08:53:35 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <8e5c197a612041f5b0aaf5ca341249fd.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <8e5c197a612041f5b0aaf5ca341249fd.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > > http://www.sikkema.us/America.jpg > *rofl* Welcome to the topic drift capitol of the cockpit building world! *laughs* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 08:55:09 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>>> Roy, we're Americans. We don't bother to notice what's going on anywhere else in the world! ;) >>> >>> Yeah, we kinda noticed that ! >>> >> Hey, be nice or we'll bring democracy to *your* country. :) >> >> g. >> (wonders when the carrier USS Ukian is due to dock...) > > > Democracy? Wassat then? > > With petrol at about 6 pounds ($12) per gallon over here, we can't AFFORD > democracy. > That's ok, we'll be happy to spend six weeks delivering "democracy" by air before we send in the gas station attendants. :) Just one of the free services we're happy to provide! (ye gods I'm getting to be crotchety....) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Jun 4 08:00:06 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:00:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > (ye gods I'm getting to be crotchety....) > That's the age thing ... -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mcollins at null.net Wed Jun 4 09:00:00 2008 From: mcollins at null.net (Mark Collins) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:00:00 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <07574b9e518a4fc8a773152bd57eacf1.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: Where can I get one of those... ...no, not the picture....the gun! I really need one. I just replanted the whole front yard by the street and Morons keep driving through the soft mud with no grass yet and leaving very large gullies that i have to go smooth out and replant the grass on. I think just having it sitting out on the lawn with a sign that says..."go ahead...make my day" would probably work. ;) Mark -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org]On Behalf Of Brian Sikkema Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 9:52 AM To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB >Heheh. I don't know about Oz, but depending on how nice/annoying they >were, I would've told 'em that I'd be more than happy to show them the >contents of the trailer when they return with a warrant. :) I must be >starting that downward slide into "get off my damn lawn!" land. *sigh* :) You need this, Gene: http://www.sikkema.us/getoffmylawn_small.jpg _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 09:01:24 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >> >> (ye gods I'm getting to be crotchety....) >> > > That's the age thing ... > Tell me about it. I'm still getting used to the whole "40" thing. Then again, I awake every day amazed that I've survived THIS long. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only