From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Mon Jun 2 14:11:05 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 17:11:05 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Thank goodness for parents Message-ID: <0a569dc71b4a4989aacafd5719d650c8.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> After a couple of cash donations, er, birthday presents from both my parents and my wife's, my set of Mercury vids is on the way! :D Brian From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon Jun 2 13:27:07 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:27:07 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Thank goodness for parents In-Reply-To: <0a569dc71b4a4989aacafd5719d650c8.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Brian Sikkema wrote: > After a couple of cash donations, er, birthday > presents from both my parents and my wife's, my set > of Mercury vids is on the way! :D > Cooo... that'll be you locked away in the den for a few hours then !! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Jun 2 14:45:38 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Thank goodness for parents In-Reply-To: <0a569dc71b4a4989aacafd5719d650c8.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <0a569dc71b4a4989aacafd5719d650c8.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > After a couple of cash donations, er, birthday > presents from both my parents and my wife's, my set > of Mercury vids is on the way! :D > Congrats Brian! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Mon Jun 2 15:31:14 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 18:31:14 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Thank goodness for parents Message-ID: <4843c95c45524984b4aae7b3925be4dd.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> I will, of course, be posting any relevent discoveries. Currently I'm doing some work on determining panel changes between capsules. Before I was thinking I would just model Friendship 7 and call it good, but now I've determined that it may be relatively straightforward to reconfigure the panel for each mission, with the exception of Freedom 7, which suffers from not only a completely different panel, but also different windows and the resulting cabin configuration changes... Anywho I'm working on a text document which explains the panel changes between each of the Atlas capsules and how to accomplish them for a simpit... Will post when finished. :D Brian >------- Original Message ------- >From : Gene Buckle[mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com] >Sent : 6/2/2008 5:45:38 PM >To : simpits-tech at simpits.org >Cc : >Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] Thank goodness for parents > >> After a couple of cash donations, er, birthday > presents from both my parents and my wife's, my set > of Mercury vids is on the way! :D > Congrats Brian! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From chevello at rcn.com Mon Jun 2 18:07:48 2008 From: chevello at rcn.com (KD) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:07:48 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] PFC consoles for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48449964.6010005@rcn.com> This is just the beginning. I have quite a load of crap that I need to off so that I can have some more room in the garage. These are used items that come from stockroom cleanouts at a flight sim manufacturer outside Philadelphia. They were used for testing and have been hanging around for years. In fact, there was this one old lady who only used to fly on Sundays when she went to church.. :) The first items up area Single Professional Flight Console from PFC with a Mooney yoke. It only has 62 hours on the Hobbs meter, and everything is there. The ear on the throttle/Prop/Mix control is broken on one side, but the piece is still there attached to the panel by the thumbscrew. The missing knobs have already been replaced. I haven't really looked at it to see if I can fire it up yet. No cables, software or extras. All I have is the console.These things went for around $2500USD new. One pretty nasty scratch on the face of the panel, if that matters.Shipping will be ugly, this thing is HEAVY. (websites I could find it on list it at 90lbs) I just checked UPS for a shipping cost from my zip 19018 to a random zip in Los Angeles, and ground shipping was 92.00. You don't want to know what next day early AM was :) Pictures of any of it are available on request. http://users.rcn.com/chevello/Cirrus_II_Console.jpg It's the second one down here: http://www.aviationsimulation.co.uk/acatalog/Consoles.html The second item is a Cirrus yoke console with a Mooney yoke. It has a push-pull throttle lever on it. It's a little dirty, but doesn't appear to be damaged. There is a USB version of this console, but this is NOT it. To reiterate, this is NOT the USB console, it is the SERIAL PORT VERSION. Pictures of any of it are available on request. THe lsit prices I have seen are around $450 USD new. Shipping weight appears to be around 20lbs. http://users.rcn.com/chevello/Cirrus_PCATD_Yoke.jpg Here it is on the PFC website http://www.flypfc.com/entertainment%20products/mooney.html I'm reluctant to get into the ebay thing so I figured I would offer things here first. You guys are cooler than ebay. Make me an offer I can't refuse. Maybe even tradesies. K From chevello at rcn.com Mon Jun 2 18:47:43 2008 From: chevello at rcn.com (KD) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:47:43 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> So I was looking over the F-15 sim page and (December 27 was the last update? DUDE!) really like what I saw with the lightplate. Nice job Gene! For general info, and not to bust on Gene at all, (that panel is awesome looking) the panel label (the vertical lettering on the panel on the F15sim site that says FUEL) is not lighted. That part of the lettering on all the panels that I have run into are screen printed on the surface, and so don't backlight. It may not make any difference if you are making panels for your sim and do them all the same, but if you are mixing real and homebuilt ones then it might make a difference there. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to detract form the work Gene or anyone else is doing, I just had a bit of info that I thought I would share. BTW, both F-15s I have done have that lettering backlit so, I'm not perfect either. :) I also noticed that Gene mentioned an MS document that he has that is hard to read. There is a website that I use frequently that has all of them on there for perusal (unrestricted access ones anyways). Here is a link. Most of the military stuff that we tend to use is listed as inactive, but it was active at the time our stuff got built, so it would still be valid for the most part. Ah, the link: http://assist.daps.dla.mil/online/start/ Just go to Quick Start and enter iether the MS, MIL-C or document number, and if it is there it will come up. There is also a text search if you don't know the MS number of the document. There is a ton of info there, so don't get lost in the reading and forget to work on your sim. :) Gene, do you have your own laser machine? If so, which one and why did you pick that one? I'm thinking about getting into oneas well as a 3D printer. So there you go. K From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Jun 2 20:15:21 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> Message-ID: > So I was looking over the F-15 sim page and (December 27 was the last > update? DUDE!) really like what I saw with the lightplate. Nice job Gene! > I've been....distracted. Peruse some of the stuff here: http://www.youtube.com/user/f15sim > Don't get me wrong, I don't want to detract form the work Gene or anyone > else is doing, I just had a bit of info that I thought I would share. > BTW, both F-15s I have done have that lettering backlit so, I'm not > perfect either. :) > Hehe. Yeah, I knew that the side lettering isn't lit. Not lighting it was an extra step I conciously decided not to take. > inactive, but it was active at the time our stuff got built, so it would > still be valid for the most part. Ah, the link: > http://assist.daps.dla.mil/online/start/ Yeah, now those bastards over at SAE have all the current ones and they *charge* for them! How they get off charging for government developed documentation escapes me. Right now I'm in the process of installing X-Plane 9. It comes on 6 DVDs. If you've never used it, go download the demo. It stomps MSFS flat. :) It's available for Linux, Windows and Macintosh. Multi-player works across and between all versions. While I'm not slaving away in the shop on that cockpit prototype, I'm working on software that will allow you guys to interface the Beta Innovations hardware into any of 6 different flight simulators. The list right now is: FlightGear X-Plane MSFS9 MSFS10 Lock On: Modern Air Combat Any version of IL2 with DeviceLink support It will allow you to tie a Lua script to any function you want done and each script runs in its own thread. Eventually other scripting languages will be added. I hope to add Nasal next, which is the scripting engine used in FlightGear. After that I'll look at some of the ones offered via the Windows Scripting Host. Right now I'm pulling data from FlightGear via a configuration screen using a telnet connection. The next step is to pull it at a constant frequency and make it available to the data space Lua uses. Should prove to be an interesting week. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 3 01:05:57 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 03:05:57 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> Message-ID: <99E8496DCD2C4BF89BAAA9992D4F547F@flightsystems> No shite...BI stuff into those sims? Which BI stuff? All of it? Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 10:15 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB > So I was looking over the F-15 sim page and (December 27 was the last > update? DUDE!) really like what I saw with the lightplate. Nice job Gene! > I've been....distracted. Peruse some of the stuff here: http://www.youtube.com/user/f15sim > Don't get me wrong, I don't want to detract form the work Gene or anyone > else is doing, I just had a bit of info that I thought I would share. > BTW, both F-15s I have done have that lettering backlit so, I'm not > perfect either. :) > Hehe. Yeah, I knew that the side lettering isn't lit. Not lighting it was an extra step I conciously decided not to take. > inactive, but it was active at the time our stuff got built, so it would > still be valid for the most part. Ah, the link: > http://assist.daps.dla.mil/online/start/ Yeah, now those bastards over at SAE have all the current ones and they *charge* for them! How they get off charging for government developed documentation escapes me. Right now I'm in the process of installing X-Plane 9. It comes on 6 DVDs. If you've never used it, go download the demo. It stomps MSFS flat. :) It's available for Linux, Windows and Macintosh. Multi-player works across and between all versions. While I'm not slaving away in the shop on that cockpit prototype, I'm working on software that will allow you guys to interface the Beta Innovations hardware into any of 6 different flight simulators. The list right now is: FlightGear X-Plane MSFS9 MSFS10 Lock On: Modern Air Combat Any version of IL2 with DeviceLink support It will allow you to tie a Lua script to any function you want done and each script runs in its own thread. Eventually other scripting languages will be added. I hope to add Nasal next, which is the scripting engine used in FlightGear. After that I'll look at some of the ones offered via the Windows Scripting Host. Right now I'm pulling data from FlightGear via a configuration screen using a telnet connection. The next step is to pull it at a constant frequency and make it available to the data space Lua uses. Should prove to be an interesting week. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 07:03:48 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <99E8496DCD2C4BF89BAAA9992D4F547F@flightsystems> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> <99E8496DCD2C4BF89BAAA9992D4F547F@flightsystems> Message-ID: > No shite...BI stuff into those sims? Which BI stuff? All of it? > All of it. If the BI API can talk to it, you will be able to. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 3 09:13:34 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:13:34 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><99E8496DCD2C4BF89BAAA9992D4F547F@flightsystems> Message-ID: Dude, that kicks ass...you are the greatest in the world. I know Leo has added some new functionality and has told me he needed to update the SDK. I'll let him know about this. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:04 AM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB > No shite...BI stuff into those sims? Which BI stuff? All of it? > All of it. If the BI API can talk to it, you will be able to. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 10:02:08 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><99E8496DCD2C4BF89BAAA9992D4F547F@flightsystems> Message-ID: > Dude, that kicks ass...you are the greatest in the world. I know Leo has > added some new functionality and has told me he needed to update the SDK. > I'll let him know about this. > Oh trust me, he knows. *laughs* I actually started this project some time ago and only recently got back to it. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 3 10:27:16 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:27:16 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><99E8496DCD2C4BF89BAAA9992D4F547F@flightsystems> Message-ID: I love the fact that I can now also use the pit wit MSFS10 when you get done with this. Cudos to you g. When you get done with this and need some beta testing, let me know. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:02 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB > Dude, that kicks ass...you are the greatest in the world. I know Leo has > added some new functionality and has told me he needed to update the SDK. > I'll let him know about this. > Oh trust me, he knows. *laughs* I actually started this project some time ago and only recently got back to it. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From allendc at qwest.net Tue Jun 3 10:47:42 2008 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:47:42 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> The whole world is watching! The whole world is watching! The whole world is watching! The whole world is watching! The whole world is watching! The whole world is watching! >Right now I'm pulling data from FlightGear via a configuration screen >using a telnet connection. The next step is to pull it at a constant >frequency and make it available to the data space Lua uses. Should prove >to be an interesting week. :) > >g. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 10:48:04 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><99E8496DCD2C4BF89BAAA9992D4F547F@flightsystems> Message-ID: > I love the fact that I can now also use the pit wit MSFS10 when you get done > with this. > > Cudos to you g. When you get done with this and need some beta testing, let > me know. > You're already on the list. :) I'm going to be working on the sims in the order I listed, so FlightGear, XPlane and MSFS9 need to be done before I get to MSFS10. :) Right now I'm working on my data accquisition loop from eating all the cpu. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 12:29:09 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: > The whole world is watching! > > The whole world is watching! > > The whole world is watching! > > The whole world is watching! > > The whole world is watching! > > The whole world is watching! > Yeah well the whole world can just knock it off. All those people peering over the fence really freak out my wife and the cat is looking for his gun. Right now I'm dealing with a blocking socket problem that hangs the whole machine while it waits for a return reply from FlightGear. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From allendc at qwest.net Tue Jun 3 12:38:00 2008 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:38:00 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> At 12:29 PM 6/3/2008 -0700, you wrote: > > The whole world is watching! >Yeah well the whole world can just knock it off. ManLand TM undefended ?????????? > All those people peering over the fence really freak out my wife > and the cat is looking for his >gun. I wonder what gun he is looking for? Maybe a Perazzi SCO/Gold Skeet Combo. with 30" barrels ??? Someone needs to protect the man land, and if the cat can do it, I say job well done! >Right now I'm dealing with a blocking socket problem that hangs the whole >machine while it waits for a return reply from FlightGear. :) I am sure SimConnect will make you life easy, but what do I know, I program using punch cards! Dam the hanging chads!!! >g. > >-- >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ NOD32 3155 (20080603) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 13:25:21 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> <20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: >>> The whole world is watching! >> Yeah well the whole world can just knock it off. > > ManLand TM undefended ?????????? > >> All those people peering over the fence really freak out my wife >> and the cat is looking for his >> gun. > > I wonder what gun he is looking for? Maybe a Perazzi SCO/Gold Skeet > Combo. with 30" barrels ??? > Naw, he's much more fond of the pintle mounted M61A1. It's got that "purr" he can really get into. > Someone needs to protect the man land, and if the cat can do it, I > say job well done! > Rumor has it he's got a Hawk battery on order too. He complains constantly about this idiot in an RV-4 that buzzes the house when he's sunbathing. >> Right now I'm dealing with a blocking socket problem that hangs the whole >> machine while it waits for a return reply from FlightGear. :) > > I am sure SimConnect will make you life easy, but what do I know, I > program using punch cards! > SimConnect is something I will look at for MSFS10, but it doesn't apply to the other simulators. FlightGear, X-Plane, Lock On and IL2 can all use the same basic client side code. MSFS is where it gets weird. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 3 13:38:46 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:38:46 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Gene, I was looking at a post on the site awhile back about tearing apart toggle switches (so they would still work like a real switch, but could be used for a single keystroke (using a keyboard card)) Weak eyes and big mitts make that a challenging proposition for me. Has something different developed since then? I was thinking (rare function for me) that you could wire a small 5 volt relay to a regular toggle switch. When you close the switch, it would discharge a voltage from a very small capaitor to the relay. One which would hold only enough juice to click it once and all over. Then when you turn the switch off (being SPDT) it would connect the capacitor to a supply voltage to charge it up for the next run. I guess you'd have to have a seperate cap for each position, but they are pennies a jar. Any of this make any sense or can I just buy something like that at Radio Shack? Rick From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 3 13:41:20 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <959295.32152.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are you trying to code the interface from scratch or are you using the plugin/addon by, who is it...pete dawson?, that allows you to access the MSFS data? What's it called? Jay Gene Buckle wrote: >>> The whole world is watching! >> Yeah well the whole world can just knock it off. > > ManLand TM undefended ?????????? > >> All those people peering over the fence really freak out my wife >> and the cat is looking for his >> gun. > > I wonder what gun he is looking for? Maybe a Perazzi SCO/Gold Skeet > Combo. with 30" barrels ??? > Naw, he's much more fond of the pintle mounted M61A1. It's got that "purr" he can really get into. > Someone needs to protect the man land, and if the cat can do it, I > say job well done! > Rumor has it he's got a Hawk battery on order too. He complains constantly about this idiot in an RV-4 that buzzes the house when he's sunbathing. >> Right now I'm dealing with a blocking socket problem that hangs the whole >> machine while it waits for a return reply from FlightGear. :) > > I am sure SimConnect will make you life easy, but what do I know, I > program using punch cards! > SimConnect is something I will look at for MSFS10, but it doesn't apply to the other simulators. FlightGear, X-Plane, Lock On and IL2 can all use the same basic client side code. MSFS is where it gets weird. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080603/8ae8a67e/attachment.html From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 3 13:44:07 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <10800.50464.qm@web81605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just by a Plasma MM2 from Beta Innovations...www.betainnovations.com...for 39 bucks and be done with it. Comes with free software that will allow you to fire keystrokes at the computer. The software is designed for Falcon 4.0 but the keystroke portion can be used in any application. Jay Rick Davis wrote: Gene, I was looking at a post on the site awhile back about tearing apart toggle switches (so they would still work like a real switch, but could be used for a single keystroke (using a keyboard card)) Weak eyes and big mitts make that a challenging proposition for me. Has something different developed since then? I was thinking (rare function for me) that you could wire a small 5 volt relay to a regular toggle switch. When you close the switch, it would discharge a voltage from a very small capaitor to the relay. One which would hold only enough juice to click it once and all over. Then when you turn the switch off (being SPDT) it would connect the capacitor to a supply voltage to charge it up for the next run. I guess you'd have to have a seperate cap for each position, but they are pennies a jar. Any of this make any sense or can I just buy something like that at Radio Shack? Rick _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080603/3720effb/attachment.html From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue Jun 3 12:50:47 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:50:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Rick Davis wrote: > I was looking at a post on the site awhile back about tearing apart toggle > switches (so they would still work like a real switch, but could be used for > a single keystroke (using a keyboard card)) Easiest solution by far is this baby: http://www.simpits.org/articles/ke72/KE72.html I love 'em :-) -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From chevello at rcn.com Tue Jun 3 13:49:45 2008 From: chevello at rcn.com (KD) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:49:45 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] IL2 and BI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4845AE69.5010304@rcn.com> Did you say IL2? So I would be able to run a panel using BI hardware when I am in IL2? All of them or only the latest Pacific Fighters? If it is any of them, then I will be REALLY motivated to sell all this extra crap in the garage! K From jimsturs at parambus.com Tue Jun 3 14:00:24 2008 From: jimsturs at parambus.com (Jims Parambus Account) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:00:24 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> <007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <005701c8c5bc$d82f4840$6d00a8c0@RITASYS1> Rick, You have just described the principle behind the early electronic ignition systems for car engines that still used points in their distributor. What it also covers is points switching for model railways. It is commonly referenced as "CD" (capacitor discharge), and yes it should work for you as long as you do not get relay bounce. This little problem can be easily cured by a capacitor and resistor in series across the relay contacts that will effectively "quench" any spark caused by bounces. You will need to experiment with the size capacitor that you use for the main relay call-and-hold circuit. You need the relay to hold ON for the time that the electronics connected to it see it as a keystroke. Remember that some I/O devices scan the inputs so the sopftware needs enough time to see the relay contacts closed for at least one look during the scan period. Check the specs and method of input detection of the interface you intend to use. BTW, the switch needs to be a single-pole change-over with spring bias to one position. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Rick Davis Sent: 03 June 2008 22:39 To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches Gene, I was looking at a post on the site awhile back about tearing apart toggle switches (so they would still work like a real switch, but could be used for a single keystroke (using a keyboard card)) Weak eyes and big mitts make that a challenging proposition for me. Has something different developed since then? I was thinking (rare function for me) that you could wire a small 5 volt relay to a regular toggle switch. When you close the switch, it would discharge a voltage from a very small capaitor to the relay. One which would hold only enough juice to click it once and all over. Then when you turn the switch off (being SPDT) it would connect the capacitor to a supply voltage to charge it up for the next run. I guess you'd have to have a seperate cap for each position, but they are pennies a jar. Any of this make any sense or can I just buy something like that at Radio Shack? Rick _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 3 14:04:35 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:04:35 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: Message-ID: <00ba01c8c5bd$6d6beee0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Roy, Have you seen this? http://www.betainnovations.com/hardware/downloads/Plasma-MM2_OV.pdf Looks like a good deal for 40 clams. That Hagstrom is nice but about 4 times the money. Is it worth the advantage? Thanks for the link Jay. Certainly looks cool to me. Sure easier than building one with busted keyboards. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Rick Davis wrote: > >> I was looking at a post on the site awhile back about tearing apart >> toggle >> switches (so they would still work like a real switch, but could be used >> for >> a single keystroke (using a keyboard card)) > > > Easiest solution by far is this baby: > http://www.simpits.org/articles/ke72/KE72.html > > I love 'em :-) > > -- > > Roy Coates. > Dept of Engineering. > Liverpool University. > E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk > Tel: 0151 794 4862 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs > meter. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From jimsturs at parambus.com Tue Jun 3 14:05:27 2008 From: jimsturs at parambus.com (Jims Parambus Account) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:05:27 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <005701c8c5bc$d82f4840$6d00a8c0@RITASYS1> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <005701c8c5bc$d82f4840$6d00a8c0@RITASYS1> Message-ID: <005801c8c5bd$8c975d40$6d00a8c0@RITASYS1> Sorry, I made one error which reflects what you are trying to do. The switch does not need to be biased one-way. If it is not, then it means that you will not get a second pulse input until you have repositioned the switch and then switched it again. What is also interesting is that if you use a two pole switch, with two relay circuits, you can generate a pulse to two separate inputs for each change in position of the switch. Jim -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Jims Parambus Account Sent: 03 June 2008 23:00 To: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list' Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches Rick, You have just described the principle behind the early electronic ignition systems for car engines that still used points in their distributor. What it also covers is points switching for model railways. It is commonly referenced as "CD" (capacitor discharge), and yes it should work for you as long as you do not get relay bounce. This little problem can be easily cured by a capacitor and resistor in series across the relay contacts that will effectively "quench" any spark caused by bounces. You will need to experiment with the size capacitor that you use for the main relay call-and-hold circuit. You need the relay to hold ON for the time that the electronics connected to it see it as a keystroke. Remember that some I/O devices scan the inputs so the sopftware needs enough time to see the relay contacts closed for at least one look during the scan period. Check the specs and method of input detection of the interface you intend to use. BTW, the switch needs to be a single-pole change-over with spring bias to one position. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Rick Davis Sent: 03 June 2008 22:39 To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches Gene, I was looking at a post on the site awhile back about tearing apart toggle switches (so they would still work like a real switch, but could be used for a single keystroke (using a keyboard card)) Weak eyes and big mitts make that a challenging proposition for me. Has something different developed since then? I was thinking (rare function for me) that you could wire a small 5 volt relay to a regular toggle switch. When you close the switch, it would discharge a voltage from a very small capaitor to the relay. One which would hold only enough juice to click it once and all over. Then when you turn the switch off (being SPDT) it would connect the capacitor to a supply voltage to charge it up for the next run. I guess you'd have to have a seperate cap for each position, but they are pennies a jar. Any of this make any sense or can I just buy something like that at Radio Shack? Rick _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue Jun 3 13:10:00 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:10:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <00ba01c8c5bd$6d6beee0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Rick Davis wrote: > Have you seen this? > > http://www.betainnovations.com/hardware/downloads/Plasma-MM2_OV.pdf > > Looks like a good deal for 40 clams. That Hagstrom is nice but about 4 times > the money. Is it worth the advantage? > > Thanks for the link Jay. Certainly looks cool to me. Sure easier than > building one with busted keyboards. I've not tried the BI stuff although I know gene loves it. The hagstrom may be dearer but is a breeze to setup and from my experience with 4 of them so far - 100% reliable. Just passing on what I know. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 3 14:24:08 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:24:08 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: Message-ID: <00cd01c8c5c0$28d3a1d0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Thanks Roy, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and order up the BI unit tonight. It's 40 bucks and I can afford to stuff that in a tobacco tin with the other junk I bought and wouldn't work if need be. 150.00? hmmmm. I'm not so sure what I want to do with it aside from experiment with a bunch of these old Airforce Surplus switches and junk I got here someplace. I sure ain't got no panel like you got there buddy! Well I do I guess. It's also in the basement leaned up against the table saw and resembles a sheet of 3/4" plywood. Been there six months. Lots of toys and no time. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Rick Davis wrote: > >> Have you seen this? >> >> http://www.betainnovations.com/hardware/downloads/Plasma-MM2_OV.pdf >> >> Looks like a good deal for 40 clams. That Hagstrom is nice but about 4 >> times >> the money. Is it worth the advantage? >> >> Thanks for the link Jay. Certainly looks cool to me. Sure easier than >> building one with busted keyboards. > > > I've not tried the BI stuff although I know gene loves it. > > The hagstrom may be dearer but is a breeze to setup and from my experience > with 4 of them so far - 100% reliable. > > Just passing on what I know. > > > -- > > Roy Coates. > Dept of Engineering. > Liverpool University. > E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk > Tel: 0151 794 4862 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs > meter. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 14:24:47 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> <007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: > Gene, > > I was looking at a post on the site awhile back about tearing apart toggle > switches (so they would still work like a real switch, but could be used for > a single keystroke (using a keyboard card)) > > Weak eyes and big mitts make that a challenging proposition for me. Has > something different developed since then? > Technology has advanced greatly since then. Avoid tearing apart a keyboard and go check out the Hagstrom keyboard encoders for a similar method that won't require the early death of an innocent toggle switch. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 3 14:24:41 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:24:41 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><005701c8c5bc$d82f4840$6d00a8c0@RITASYS1> <005801c8c5bd$8c975d40$6d00a8c0@RITASYS1> Message-ID: <00d101c8c5c0$3c9bb810$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> That's sort of line I was thinking Jim. I have the remnants of a ten year run at TV repair here in the basement. Handy for making a living when you could actually fix them, or they were worth fixing. I have a lot of Electrolytic anywhere from 1 mfd up. Small voltage too. Just a matter of doing the math and playing around with them. Thinking about it now, I really like the idea of dropping 50 bucks and just hooking it up! ha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jims Parambus Account" To: ; "'Simulator Cockpit tech list'" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > Sorry, I made one error which reflects what you are trying > to do. The switch does not need to be biased one-way. If it > is not, then it means that you will not get a second pulse > input until you have repositioned the switch and then switched > it again. What is also interesting is that if you use a two > pole switch, with two relay circuits, you can generate a pulse > to two separate inputs for each change in position of the switch. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Jims Parambus > Account > Sent: 03 June 2008 23:00 > To: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list' > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > > Rick, > > You have just described the principle behind the early electronic > ignition systems for car engines that still used points in their > distributor. > What it also covers is points switching for model railways. > It is commonly referenced as "CD" (capacitor discharge), and > yes it should work for you as long as you do not get relay bounce. > This little problem can be easily cured by a capacitor and resistor > in series across the relay contacts that will effectively "quench" > any spark caused by bounces. > You will need to experiment with the size capacitor that you use for > the main relay call-and-hold circuit. You need the relay to hold > ON for the time that the electronics connected to it see it as a > keystroke. Remember that some I/O devices scan the inputs so the > sopftware needs enough time to see the relay contacts closed for > at least one look during the scan period. Check the specs and > method of input detection of the interface you intend to use. > > BTW, the switch needs to be a single-pole change-over with spring > bias to one position. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Rick Davis > Sent: 03 June 2008 22:39 > To: Simulator Cockpit tech list > Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > > Gene, > > I was looking at a post on the site awhile back about tearing apart toggle > switches (so they would still work like a real switch, but could be used > for > > a single keystroke (using a keyboard card)) > > Weak eyes and big mitts make that a challenging proposition for me. Has > something different developed since then? > > I was thinking (rare function for me) that you could wire a small 5 volt > relay to a regular toggle switch. When you close the switch, it would > discharge a voltage from a very small capaitor to the relay. One which > would > > hold only enough juice to click it once and all over. Then when you turn > the > > switch off (being SPDT) it would connect the capacitor to a supply voltage > to charge it up for the next run. I guess you'd have to have a seperate > cap > for each position, but they are pennies a jar. > > Any of this make any sense or can I just buy something like that at Radio > Shack? > > Rick > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 14:26:17 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <959295.32152.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <959295.32152.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Are you trying to code the interface from scratch or are you using the > plugin/addon by, who is it...pete dawson?, that allows you to access the > MSFS data? What's it called? Pete wrote FSUIPC. I've looked at using it, but I would like to put this thing out as shareware which creates issues with licensing FSUIPC. I haven't decided for sure what I'm going to do about it yet. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 3 14:26:31 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:26:31 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> OK, Now both our techs are in the same camp. This is going to cost me 150.00 isn't it? ha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches >> Gene, >> >> I was looking at a post on the site awhile back about tearing apart >> toggle >> switches (so they would still work like a real switch, but could be used >> for >> a single keystroke (using a keyboard card)) >> >> Weak eyes and big mitts make that a challenging proposition for me. Has >> something different developed since then? >> > > Technology has advanced greatly since then. Avoid tearing apart a > keyboard and go check out the Hagstrom keyboard encoders for a similar > method that won't require the early death of an innocent toggle switch. > > :) > > g. > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 14:28:42 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] IL2 and BI? In-Reply-To: <4845AE69.5010304@rcn.com> References: <4845AE69.5010304@rcn.com> Message-ID: > Did you say IL2? > > So I would be able to run a panel using BI hardware when I am in IL2? > > All of them or only the latest Pacific Fighters? > Any version of IL2 that supports their DeviceLink protocol. As far as I know, PF does support it. Be aware that the bastards decided to lobotomize the DeviceLink output during multi-play. I haven't found out how bad it is though. > If it is any of them, then I will be REALLY motivated to sell all this > extra crap in the garage! > Nah, don't sell it. Just ship it to me. *laughs* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 14:32:25 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: > Now both our techs are in the same camp. > > This is going to cost me 150.00 isn't it? > Well no. I er...forgot the software that BI includes with his stuff. I've never actually run it. *Sees Leo coming, runs and hides* The Plasma-MM2 is actually a more useful device as you get 64 switch inputs as well as 8 joystick axes. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 3 14:39:36 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:39:36 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> the plot thickens I think I will go ahead and order the BI MM2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches >> Now both our techs are in the same camp. >> >> This is going to cost me 150.00 isn't it? >> > > Well no. I er...forgot the software that BI includes with his stuff. > I've never actually run it. *Sees Leo coming, runs and hides* > > The Plasma-MM2 is actually a more useful device as you get 64 switch > inputs as well as 8 joystick axes. > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 14:46:40 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: > the plot thickens > > I think I will go ahead and order the BI MM2 > Good call. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 3 14:56:51 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:56:51 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <013b01c8c5c4$baceb530$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Does it come with a cable/plug? Or is that something not included in the 39.00. The website is a bit vague. The Hagstrom does have that handy terminal block, but I have a few here as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches >> the plot thickens >> >> I think I will go ahead and order the BI MM2 >> > Good call. :) > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 15:01:55 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <013b01c8c5c4$baceb530$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <013b01c8c5c4$baceb530$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: > Does it come with a cable/plug? Or is that something not included in the > 39.00. The website is a bit vague. > The one I ordered a few weeks ago for the cockpit prototype project didn't have one. I break the contacts out using .100 dual row crimp-on connectors and a terminal block. Easier to work with that way. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 3 15:05:04 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:05:04 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><013b01c8c5c4$baceb530$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <014201c8c5c5$e0ae7d20$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> OK Thanks. Ordering away. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches >> Does it come with a cable/plug? Or is that something not included in the >> 39.00. The website is a bit vague. >> > The one I ordered a few weeks ago for the cockpit prototype project didn't > have one. I break the contacts out using .100 dual row crimp-on > connectors and a terminal block. Easier to work with that way. > > g. > > > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 3 15:20:18 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:20:18 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><013b01c8c5c4$baceb530$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <014201c8c5c5$e0ae7d20$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <015f01c8c5c8$01928610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Well, They will only take Pay Pal, Money Order or Check. I don't have Pay Pal, and I ain't sending no MO or check. Can you buy them anywhere else besides from them? Maybe I'll call them. R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Davis" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > OK > > Thanks. > > Ordering away. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene Buckle" > To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:01 PM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > > >>> Does it come with a cable/plug? Or is that something not included in the >>> 39.00. The website is a bit vague. >>> >> The one I ordered a few weeks ago for the cockpit prototype project >> didn't >> have one. I break the contacts out using .100 dual row crimp-on >> connectors and a terminal block. Easier to work with that way. >> >> g. >> >> >> >> -- >> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. >> _______________________________________________ >> Simpits-tech mailing list >> Simpits-tech at simpits.org >> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >> To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >> page. Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 15:23:06 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <015f01c8c5c8$01928610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><013b01c8c5c4$baceb530$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <014201c8c5c5$e0ae7d20$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <015f01c8c5c8$01928610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: > They will only take Pay Pal, Money Order or Check. > > I don't have Pay Pal, and I ain't sending no MO or check. > > Can you buy them anywhere else besides from them? > > Maybe I'll call them. > You can reach "them" at leo at betainnovations.com. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From lestatandakasha at msn.com Tue Jun 3 15:54:00 2008 From: lestatandakasha at msn.com (Jamie) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:54:00 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><013b01c8c5c4$baceb530$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><014201c8c5c5$e0ae7d20$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><015f01c8c5c8$01928610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><013b01c8c5c4$baceb530$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><014201c8c5c5$e0ae7d20$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><015f01c8c5c8$01928610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: there is of course the option of Leo Bodnars little circuit. I have used 5 of these and if you buy more then one you can have them customised to make them recognisable ( very important when setting up and fault finding) These work on a matrix and will happily allow you to connect 64 different toggles to them. just need a diode. they also up to 8 different axis to be configured as you wish. As it's a joystick, its not quite as configurable as a keyboard controller, but that can be sorted with FSUIPC. Works in everything, IL2 the lot. Im a big fan. Not bad for 45 bucks. http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/joystick/ -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Buckle" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:23 PM To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches >> They will only take Pay Pal, Money Order or Check. >> >> I don't have Pay Pal, and I ain't sending no MO or check. >> >> Can you buy them anywhere else besides from them? >> >> Maybe I'll call them. >> > > You can reach "them" at leo at betainnovations.com. :) > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > From sjimc at xtra.co.nz Tue Jun 3 16:11:55 2008 From: sjimc at xtra.co.nz (Jim and Liz) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:11:55 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><007401c8c5b9$d285e0f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00da01c8c5c0$7e33b610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00f901c8c5c2$52424060$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><013b01c8c5c4$baceb530$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><014201c8c5c5$e0ae7d20$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><015f01c8c5c8$01928610$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <000801c8c5cf$38f98d40$0a00000a@P2800A> *JimNZ comes out of lurking mode for this one ,,,* A thing to think of is,, how many inputs you want. Once you have something to interface to, it's surprising how many you actually end up needing. On my rather simple panel, I use 96 inputs !!!! Another option is Xkeys ,, 128 inputs ,,, http://www.piengineering.com/custom/xkmatrix.php I done a wee write-up on inputs ,,, http://www.jimspage.co.nz/encoders.htm *JimNZ slinks back into lurking mode for another year or so.* From lestatandakasha at msn.com Tue Jun 3 16:31:56 2008 From: lestatandakasha at msn.com (Jamie) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 00:31:56 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches In-Reply-To: <000801c8c5cf$38f98d40$0a00000a@P2800A> References: <000801c8c5cf$38f98d40$0a00000a@P2800A> Message-ID: thank you for that - a really interesting write up. I get really fed up with "this is the really expensive solution" stories that circulate around flight simulator circles, and it's a breath of fresh air to read about someone like myself that tries to fix problems by making their own tools. I must admit that's probably why I like this group so much. Im deffo nicking your rotary encoder idea. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim and Liz" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:11 AM To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > *JimNZ comes out of lurking mode for this one ,,,* > > A thing to think of is,, how many inputs you want. > Once you have something to interface to, it's surprising how many you > actually end up needing. > On my rather simple panel, I use 96 inputs !!!! > > Another option is Xkeys ,, 128 inputs ,,, > http://www.piengineering.com/custom/xkmatrix.php > > I done a wee write-up on inputs ,,, > http://www.jimspage.co.nz/encoders.htm > > *JimNZ slinks back into lurking mode for another year or so.* > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 3 16:41:12 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:41:12 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: <000801c8c5cf$38f98d40$0a00000a@P2800A> Message-ID: <01a201c8c5d3$4eeb3d70$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Very nice work Jim. That is a lot of work. And thanks for Un-Lurking! ha. This one doesn't seem to have input for Axis. Just switches? (I could have missed something) Not that Axis matters, because I will be using stand alone (perhaps built in - but USB) Yoke and pedals, BUT, I want something which will allow me to use real switches in a panel for things like, Lights, Fuel Pump, Batteries etc. All those single lever toggle or rocker switches as keyboard strokes in X-Plane. I would also like the ability to incorporate the Trim wheel, as well as Autplilot, Heading , VS, controls etc. (with pots(Axis?)) Is this possible with this unit? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Liz" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > *JimNZ comes out of lurking mode for this one ,,,* > > A thing to think of is,, how many inputs you want. > Once you have something to interface to, it's surprising how many you > actually end up needing. > On my rather simple panel, I use 96 inputs !!!! > > Another option is Xkeys ,, 128 inputs ,,, > http://www.piengineering.com/custom/xkmatrix.php > > I done a wee write-up on inputs ,,, > http://www.jimspage.co.nz/encoders.htm > > *JimNZ slinks back into lurking mode for another year or so.* > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From sjimc at xtra.co.nz Tue Jun 3 17:41:29 2008 From: sjimc at xtra.co.nz (Jim and Liz) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:41:29 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches References: <000801c8c5cf$38f98d40$0a00000a@P2800A> <01a201c8c5d3$4eeb3d70$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <001c01c8c5db$bbc63d20$0a00000a@P2800A> Thanks guys ,, Yea, I think I spend too much time on "How can I do this for nothing" ?? :) Rick,, No the Xkey wont do axis inputs (pots) ,, its purly a keystroke entry means. I dont know a thing about Xplane but if there is a keystroke allocated to (say) trim then you can still use a keyboard encoder to adjust it. For instance (in FSX) I used a switch that was sprung to centre 'OFF' and by moving the switch up,, it trimmed up (auto repeat) and if I pushed the switch down (auto repeat) it trimmed down. Or you could hook up a wheel to a pulse switch or something like I made for the rotary encoder cheapy and still input into a keyboard encoder to change the trim, or what ever. The basic thing remains,, if you can make "????" change by using the keyboard then you can use a keyboard encoder to do the same. Sometimes you need to check the SDK to see if its available. True 'rotary encoders' are a different beast altogether and you need a board that will handle them ,, my homemade "rotary encoder" just mimic's the actions of a rotary encoder thru a keyboard encoder. ... 'Rotary encoder' inputs are very different to 'axis inputs' (pots)commonly used with joysticks etc. Hope that helps Rick ,,,, Jim NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Davis" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > Very nice work Jim. That is a lot of work. > > And thanks for Un-Lurking! ha. > > This one doesn't seem to have input for Axis. Just switches? (I could have > missed something) > > Not that Axis matters, because I will be using stand alone (perhaps built > in - but USB) Yoke and pedals, BUT, > > I want something which will allow me to use real switches in a panel for > things like, Lights, Fuel Pump, Batteries etc. All those single lever > toggle > or rocker switches as keyboard strokes in X-Plane. I would also like the > ability to incorporate the Trim wheel, as well as Autplilot, Heading , VS, > controls etc. (with pots(Axis?)) > > Is this possible with this unit? > > Rick > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim and Liz" > To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:11 PM > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Momentary Toggle switches > > >> *JimNZ comes out of lurking mode for this one ,,,* >> >> A thing to think of is,, how many inputs you want. >> Once you have something to interface to, it's surprising how many you >> actually end up needing. >> On my rather simple panel, I use 96 inputs !!!! >> >> Another option is Xkeys ,, 128 inputs ,,, >> http://www.piengineering.com/custom/xkmatrix.php >> >> I done a wee write-up on inputs ,,, >> http://www.jimspage.co.nz/encoders.htm >> >> *JimNZ slinks back into lurking mode for another year or so.* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Simpits-tech mailing list >> Simpits-tech at simpits.org >> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >> To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >> page. Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From allendc at qwest.net Tue Jun 3 18:42:42 2008 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:42:42 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> <20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <20080604014251.7E5B7621C44@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> At 01:25 PM 6/3/2008 -0700, you wrote: > >>> The whole world is watching! > >> Yeah well the whole world can just knock it off. > > > > ManLand TM undefended ?????????? > > > >> All those people peering over the fence really freak out my wife > >> and the cat is looking for his > >> gun. > > > > I wonder what gun he is looking for? Maybe a Perazzi SCO/Gold Skeet > > Combo. with 30" barrels ??? > > >Naw, he's much more fond of the pintle mounted M61A1. It's got that >"purr" he can really get into. A cat with that much talent you should take on the road during rush hour traffic > > Someone needs to protect the man land, and if the cat can do it, I > > say job well done! > > >Rumor has it he's got a Hawk battery on order too. He complains >constantly about this idiot in an RV-4 that buzzes the house when he's >sunbathing. With that much extra cash you should quit your day job. > >> Right now I'm dealing with a blocking socket problem that hangs the whole > >> machine while it waits for a return reply from FlightGear. :) > > > > I am sure SimConnect will make you life easy, but what do I know, I > > program using punch cards! > > > >SimConnect is something I will look at for MSFS10, but it doesn't apply to >the other simulators. FlightGear, X-Plane, Lock On and IL2 can all use >the same basic client side code. MSFS is where it gets weird. Nothing wrong with weird, look who has a F15 in their shop! David From chevello at rcn.com Tue Jun 3 18:46:55 2008 From: chevello at rcn.com (KD) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:46:55 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] No devicelink in multiplay :( In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4845F40F.1030102@rcn.com> Yeah, No Devicelink in multiplayer on IL2 I forgot about that. That is the only reason to have a panel. Single player sucks in that game. GAH! >> >> > Any version of IL2 that supports their DeviceLink protocol. > As far as I know, PF does support it. > > Be aware that the bastards decided to lobotomize the DeviceLink output > during multi-play. I haven't found out how bad it is though. > > >> If it is any of them, then I will be REALLY motivated to sell all this >> extra crap in the garage! >> >> > Nah, don't sell it. Just ship it to me. *laughs* > > g. > > You have to pay for shipping on the next batch. I have been going through boxes and finding more connectors that I knew I had and couldn't find the first time. I even have both sides of some of them :) I'll trade you that big PFC console for your shop bot though *REALLY laughs* K From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Tue Jun 3 19:04:36 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 22:04:36 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB Message-ID: <613c3439eaf340378e5a1c68ce34e6f3.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> >With that much extra cash you should quit your day job. Gene has a day job? I only work an hour a day right now and I don't think I could find the time for all the nonsense he does... This can mean only one thing... Gene has a Time Machine!! C'mon man, why have you been holding out for so long!?!?! Forget the shopbot, post some youtube vids of THAT in action!! :D Valiantly ducking trout, Brian From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 19:16:33 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <20080604014251.7E5B7621C44@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> <20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> <20080604014251.7E5B7621C44@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: >> Rumor has it he's got a Hawk battery on order too. He complains >> constantly about this idiot in an RV-4 that buzzes the house when he's >> sunbathing. > > With that much extra cash you should quit your day job. > Naw, it's all him. He charges extra for neighborhood "favors". >> SimConnect is something I will look at for MSFS10, but it doesn't apply to >> the other simulators. FlightGear, X-Plane, Lock On and IL2 can all use >> the same basic client side code. MSFS is where it gets weird. > > Nothing wrong with weird, look who has a F15 in their shop! > Pot, kettle, black, sonny. Who has the business end of a 737 upended in their driveway? :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 19:18:06 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] No devicelink in multiplay :( In-Reply-To: <4845F40F.1030102@rcn.com> References: <4845F40F.1030102@rcn.com> Message-ID: > Yeah, No Devicelink in multiplayer on IL2 I forgot about that. That is > the only reason to have a panel. Single player sucks in that game. GAH! Is DeviceLink _totally_ disabled in multi-play? > > You have to pay for shipping on the next batch. I have been going > through boxes and finding more connectors that I knew I had and couldn't > find the first time. I even have both sides of some of them :) > Hehe. No problem. :) > I'll trade you that big PFC console for your shop bot though *REALLY > laughs* > Yaaa. Good luck with that. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 19:19:45 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <613c3439eaf340378e5a1c68ce34e6f3.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <613c3439eaf340378e5a1c68ce34e6f3.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > Gene has a day job? > Money don't rain from the sky there bird-man. :) > I only work an hour a day right now and I don't think > I could find the time for all the nonsense he does... > That's ok, there are times that I have so many things going at once, I just vibrate in place due to selection buffer overflows. :) > This can mean only one thing... Gene has a Time > Machine!! C'mon man, why have you been holding out > for so long!?!?! Forget the shopbot, post some > youtube vids of THAT in action!! :D > Shhhh! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From allendc at qwest.net Tue Jun 3 19:22:16 2008 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:22:16 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <613c3439eaf340378e5a1c68ce34e6f3.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <613c3439eaf340378e5a1c68ce34e6f3.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: <20080604022222.0C9DC53BD26@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> At 10:04 PM 6/3/2008 -0400, you wrote: > >With that much extra cash you should quit your day job. > >Gene has a day job? He keeps telling people that tale >:-} >:-} >I only work an hour a day right now and I don't think >I could find the time for all the nonsense he does... > >This can mean only one thing... Gene has a Time >Machine!! C'mon man, why have you been holding out >for so long!?!?! Forget the shopbot, post some >youtube vids of THAT in action!! :D Probably hidden in the avionics bay of the F15, after all if the could build one from a DeLorean >Valiantly ducking trout, More than one! >Brian > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ NOD32 3156 (20080603) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From allendc at qwest.net Tue Jun 3 19:27:57 2008 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:27:57 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> <20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> <20080604014251.7E5B7621C44@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <20080604022802.8405762796E@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> At 07:16 PM 6/3/2008 -0700, you wrote: > >> Rumor has it he's got a Hawk battery on order too. He complains > >> constantly about this idiot in an RV-4 that buzzes the house when he's > >> sunbathing. > > > > With that much extra cash you should quit your day job. > > >Naw, it's all him. He charges extra for neighborhood "favors". Stud Fees????????????????? > >> SimConnect is something I will look at for MSFS10, but it doesn't apply to > >> the other simulators. FlightGear, X-Plane, Lock On and IL2 can all use > >> the same basic client side code. MSFS is where it gets weird. > > > > Nothing wrong with weird, look who has a F15 in their shop! > > >Pot, kettle, black, sonny. Who has the business end of a 737 upended in >their driveway? :) It's now horizontal, and sitting on blocks! >g. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 19:40:05 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <20080604022802.8405762796E@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> <20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> <20080604014251.7E5B7621C44@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> <20080604022802.8405762796E@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: >>> >>> Nothing wrong with weird, look who has a F15 in their shop! >>> >> Pot, kettle, black, sonny. Who has the business end of a 737 upended in >> their driveway? :) > > It's now horizontal, and sitting on blocks! > Jeeze, I told you not to put those 21" chrome wheels on it. Now see what happens! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From allendc at qwest.net Tue Jun 3 19:49:27 2008 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:49:27 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> <20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> <20080604014251.7E5B7621C44@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> <20080604022802.8405762796E@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <20080604024950.64996621D2E@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> At 07:40 PM 6/3/2008 -0700, you wrote: > >>> > >>> Nothing wrong with weird, look who has a F15 in their shop! > >>> > >> Pot, kettle, black, sonny. Who has the business end of a 737 upended in > >> their driveway? :) > > > > It's now horizontal, and sitting on blocks! > > >Jeeze, I told you not to put those 21" chrome wheels on it. I almost got the Idaho Department of Motor Vehicles to issue license plates, but I screwed up and marked 2 engines on the application! Next time I will try for RV plates! >Now see what happens! Wife wants to turn it into a sun room, and I may have to tell the city it is a storage unit! >g. > >-- >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ NOD32 3156 (20080603) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Jun 3 20:08:29 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <20080604024950.64996621D2E@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com> <20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> <20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> <20080604014251.7E5B7621C44@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> <20080604022802.8405762796E@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> <20080604024950.64996621D2E@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: > > Wife wants to turn it into a sun room, and I may have to tell the > city it is a storage unit! > You tell the city that unless it's on fire or sprouting a meth lab, it's none of their farking business. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjones at pipecomp.com.au Wed Jun 4 03:42:32 2008 From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:42:32 +0900 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><20080604014251.7E5B7621C44@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net><20080604022802.8405762796E@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net><20080604024950.64996621D2E@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <006901c8c62f$b1acbef0$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> Well put Gene !!. Last week a council ranger knocked on my door and asked why I had a 32 foot enclosed trailer parked on my front lawn. (within my boundaries) I replied " Its easier than reversing into my driveway". locked the front door and went to work. I got home after 12 hours at work with 2 police cars sitting in my driveway blocking it, so I drove around on my front lawn got out locked the car and went inside and locked the front door. 15 mins later police knock at the door and ask "what's the trailer for", my response "to hook up to the back of my car and tow behind me to easily transport goods." BAD MOVE ! I must have got the 4 police with out a humour upgrade. After 20 mins of questioning "what's it for, what are you transporting", I finally gave up and gave them the key's to the trailer, they opened it and finally discovered a glider (sailplane) in it. I was asked why I didn't tell them straight away what was in the trailer...... my response "None of the rangers or the police's farking business" BAD MOVE. Any how the police finally finished giving me a ear full and left. Asshats. Ben West Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" > > >> Wife wants to turn it into a sun room, and I may have to tell the >> city it is a storage unit! >> > You tell the city that unless it's on fire or sprouting a meth lab, it's > none of their farking business. :) > > g. > > -- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 06:53:47 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 06:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <006901c8c62f$b1acbef0$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> References: <4844A2BF.5020300@rcn.com><20080603174749.7D69A53BCCA@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net><20080603193804.ED9EF1A987C@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><20080604014251.7E5B7621C44@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net><20080604022802.8405762796E@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net><20080604024950.64996621D2E@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> <006901c8c62f$b1acbef0$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> Message-ID: > Last week a council ranger knocked on my door and asked why I had a 32 foot > enclosed trailer parked on my front lawn. (within my boundaries) > What's a "council ranger"? > I replied " Its easier than reversing into my driveway". locked the front > door and went to work. > *snicker* > 15 mins later police knock at the door and ask "what's the trailer for", my > response "to hook up to the back of my car and tow behind me to easily > transport goods." > *snickers* > Any how the police finally finished giving me a ear full and left. > Heheh. I don't know about Oz, but depending on how nice/annoying they were, I would've told 'em that I'd be more than happy to show them the contents of the trailer when they return with a warrant. :) I must be starting that downward slide into "get off my damn lawn!" land. *sigh* :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Jun 4 06:00:40 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:00:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: For the last few years I've had the front 12 feet of a jet fighter parked on my driveway. I'm absolutely *amazed* it hasn't caused me any grief. Interestingly, it was away at a show last summer for about a week and neighbours kept asking me where it had gone. They all, without exception, wanted it back. I guess it's become a local landmark. > > Last week a council ranger knocked on my door and asked why I had a 32 foot > > enclosed trailer parked on my front lawn. (within my boundaries) > > > What's a "council ranger"? > > > I replied " Its easier than reversing into my driveway". locked the front > > door and went to work. > > > *snicker* > > > 15 mins later police knock at the door and ask "what's the trailer for", my > > response "to hook up to the back of my car and tow behind me to easily > > transport goods." > > > *snickers* > > > Any how the police finally finished giving me a ear full and left. > > > > Heheh. I don't know about Oz, but depending on how nice/annoying they > were, I would've told 'em that I'd be more than happy to show them the > contents of the trailer when they return with a warrant. :) I must be > starting that downward slide into "get off my damn lawn!" land. *sigh* :) > > g. > > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! > -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 07:06:57 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > For the last few years I've had the front 12 feet of a jet fighter parked > on my driveway. I'm absolutely *amazed* it hasn't caused me any grief. > Probably because they haven't gotten the CCTV aimed at your house yet. Just wait, the UNK will get around to it (United Nanny Kingdom). *huge grin* (and seriously, for the life of me I cannot fathom why you guys haven't risen up and torn down every last one of those things.) > Interestingly, it was away at a show last summer for about a week and > neighbours kept asking me where it had gone. They all, without exception, > wanted it back. I guess it's become a local landmark. > That's probably because the end result of your restoration job was more art than airplane. :) Now you know you're on to something if you park the rest of it there and get the same reaction. :) You can paint runway stripes on the street and tell everyone you're part of a new, more powerful Neighborhood Watch. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Jun 4 06:11:52 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:11:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > For the last few years I've had the front 12 feet of a jet fighter parked > > on my driveway. I'm absolutely *amazed* it hasn't caused me any grief. > > > Probably because they haven't gotten the CCTV aimed at your house yet. > Just wait, the UNK will get around to it (United Nanny Kingdom). *huge > grin* (and seriously, for the life of me I cannot fathom why you guys > haven't risen up and torn down every last one of those things.) *grumble* nanny state *grouch* gordon-bloody-brown *load*aim*fire* > > Interestingly, it was away at a show last summer for about a week and > > neighbours kept asking me where it had gone. They all, without exception, > > wanted it back. I guess it's become a local landmark. > > > That's probably because the end result of your restoration job was more > art than airplane. :) Now you know you're on to something if you park the > rest of it there and get the same reaction. :) Ah, they didn't see it until it was finished. > You can paint runway stripes on the street and tell everyone you're part > of a new, more powerful Neighborhood Watch. :) LOL! I like that, AND I know where I can lay my hands on four 20mm Hispano Cannons... ;-) -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 07:17:03 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> Probably because they haven't gotten the CCTV aimed at your house yet. >> Just wait, the UNK will get around to it (United Nanny Kingdom). *huge >> grin* (and seriously, for the life of me I cannot fathom why you guys >> haven't risen up and torn down every last one of those things.) > > *grumble* nanny state *grouch* gordon-bloody-brown *load*aim*fire* > You'd better chase down ol' Tony while you're at it. The craze started under his watch. What suprises me is that the Monarchy just sits there and does nothing. Do they have no power at all? > >> You can paint runway stripes on the street and tell everyone you're part >> of a new, more powerful Neighborhood Watch. :) > > LOL! I like that, AND I know where I can lay my hands on four 20mm > Hispano Cannons... ;-) > "Well yes, you need to move. Yes, your whole house. I need to set the convergence of the guns and your house is in the way. Look, you don't understand. I don't do it by sight, I do it by *firing* the guns. Yes, I know your kitchen is right there, but trust me, if you don't move the house, the sudden lack of a kitchen will be the least of your problems." :D g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Jun 4 06:22:29 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:22:29 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > *grumble* nanny state *grouch* gordon-bloody-brown *load*aim*fire* > > > You'd better chase down ol' Tony while you're at it. The craze started > under his watch. What suprises me is that the Monarchy just sits there > and does nothing. Do they have no power at all? Nope. The royals are a figurehead, they entertain foreign dignatories and they do a lot of foreign trade. Oh, and they use military hardware for their own amusement. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 07:47:42 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Nope. > > The royals are a figurehead, they entertain foreign dignatories and they > do a lot of foreign trade. Oh, and they use military hardware for their > own amusement. > That's a shame. Well up to the "use military hardware for their own amusement" part. That's pretty cool. *laughs* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Wed Jun 4 07:51:50 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:51:50 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB Message-ID: <07574b9e518a4fc8a773152bd57eacf1.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> >Heheh. I don't know about Oz, but depending on how nice/annoying they >were, I would've told 'em that I'd be more than happy to show them the >contents of the trailer when they return with a warrant. :) I must be >starting that downward slide into "get off my damn lawn!" land. *sigh* :) You need this, Gene: http://www.sikkema.us/getoffmylawn_small.jpg From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 07:51:22 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <07574b9e518a4fc8a773152bd57eacf1.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <07574b9e518a4fc8a773152bd57eacf1.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > You need this, Gene: > http://www.sikkema.us/getoffmylawn_small.jpg > *wistful sigh* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Jun 4 06:58:01 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:58:01 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > Nope. > > > > The royals are a figurehead, they entertain foreign dignatories and they > > do a lot of foreign trade. Oh, and they use military hardware for their > > own amusement. > > > That's a shame. Well up to the "use military hardware for their own > amusement" part. That's pretty cool. *laughs* didn't you hear about that? Prince william used a Chinook to pick up brother harry and head off to a stag party ! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Wed Jun 4 08:13:08 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:13:08 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB Message-ID: >didn't you hear about that? Prince william used a Chinook to pick up >brother harry and head off to a stag party ! Roy, we're Americans. We don't bother to notice what's going on anywhere else in the world! ;) Besides, who hasn't? Wait... From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Jun 4 07:18:19 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:18:19 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Brian Sikkema wrote: > >didn't you hear about that? Prince william used a Chinook to pick up > >brother harry and head off to a stag party ! > > Roy, we're Americans. We don't bother to notice what's going on anywhere else in the world! ;) Yeah, we kinda noticed that ! > Besides, who hasn't? Wait... Heh... if only! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Wed Jun 4 08:37:08 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:37:08 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Why do people feel compelled to fix what isn't broken? Message-ID: <8aebe4ac699945f1b91e9af455f523f2.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Just venting. Here at work we've "upgraded" to the newest version of Office. Not that the previous version didn't work just dandy. Now Outlook gives me all kinds of fits and rarely works properly. I'm trying to start a new email and it says that it can't because a Dialog Box is open. Not that I see... So I try and close the program. Nope, not gonna let me. Ctrl-Alt-Delete for YOU, my friend... *grumble* MS sucks... From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 08:37:19 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>> The royals are a figurehead, they entertain foreign dignatories and they >>> do a lot of foreign trade. Oh, and they use military hardware for their >>> own amusement. >>> >> That's a shame. Well up to the "use military hardware for their own >> amusement" part. That's pretty cool. *laughs* > > > didn't you hear about that? Prince william used a Chinook to pick up > brother harry and head off to a stag party ! > Hehehe. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Jun 4 07:45:45 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:45:45 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Why do people feel compelled to fix what isn't broken? In-Reply-To: <8aebe4ac699945f1b91e9af455f523f2.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Brian Sikkema wrote: > Just venting. Here at work we've "upgraded" to the newest version of Office. Not that the previous version didn't work just dandy. > Now Outlook gives me all kinds of fits and rarely works properly. I'm trying to start a new email and it says that it can't > because a Dialog Box is open. Not that I see... So I try and close the program. Nope, not gonna let me. > > Ctrl-Alt-Delete for YOU, my friend... *grumble* > > MS sucks... They've just done the same thing to us here too. The new (and improved?) Word sucks donkey bollocks. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 08:47:27 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>> didn't you hear about that? Prince william used a Chinook to pick up >>> brother harry and head off to a stag party ! >> >> Roy, we're Americans. We don't bother to notice what's going on anywhere else in the world! ;) > > Yeah, we kinda noticed that ! > Hey, be nice or we'll bring democracy to *your* country. :) g. (wonders when the carrier USS Ukian is due to dock...) -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Wed Jun 4 08:51:06 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:51:06 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB Message-ID: <8e5c197a612041f5b0aaf5ca341249fd.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> http://www.sikkema.us/America.jpg 'Nuff said. ;) >------- Original Message ------- >From : Gene Buckle[mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com] >Sent : 6/4/2008 11:47:27 AM >To : simpits-tech at simpits.org >Cc : >Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB > >>>> didn't you hear about that? Prince william used a Chinook to pick up >>> brother harry and head off to a stag party ! >> >> Roy, we're Americans. We don't bother to notice what's going on anywhere else in the world! ;) > > Yeah, we kinda noticed that ! > Hey, be nice or we'll bring democracy to *your* country. :) g. (wonders when the carrier USS Ukian is due to dock...) -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Jun 4 07:53:23 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:53:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >> Roy, we're Americans. We don't bother to notice what's going on anywhere else in the world! ;) > > > > Yeah, we kinda noticed that ! > > > Hey, be nice or we'll bring democracy to *your* country. :) > > g. > (wonders when the carrier USS Ukian is due to dock...) Democracy? Wassat then? With petrol at about 6 pounds ($12) per gallon over here, we can't AFFORD democracy. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 08:51:57 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Why do people feel compelled to fix what isn't broken? In-Reply-To: <8aebe4ac699945f1b91e9af455f523f2.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <8aebe4ac699945f1b91e9af455f523f2.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > Just venting. Here at work we've "upgraded" to the newest version of > Office. Not that the previous version didn't work just dandy. Now > Outlook gives me all kinds of fits and rarely works properly. I'm trying > to start a new email and it says that it can't because a Dialog Box is > open. Not that I see... So I try and close the program. Nope, not gonna > let me. > hehehe. Remember, the answer isn't Microsoft. The *question* is Microsoft and the answer is NO! :) Their latest incarnation of Exchange (2007) requires *3* servers to do the job of one mail & calendar server. How's THAT for progress, eh? Try Lotus Symphony - it's now free: http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.jspa ..and if you're a Linux user, Evolution has an Exchange connector: http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/ g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 08:53:35 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <8e5c197a612041f5b0aaf5ca341249fd.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <8e5c197a612041f5b0aaf5ca341249fd.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > > http://www.sikkema.us/America.jpg > *rofl* Welcome to the topic drift capitol of the cockpit building world! *laughs* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 08:55:09 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>>> Roy, we're Americans. We don't bother to notice what's going on anywhere else in the world! ;) >>> >>> Yeah, we kinda noticed that ! >>> >> Hey, be nice or we'll bring democracy to *your* country. :) >> >> g. >> (wonders when the carrier USS Ukian is due to dock...) > > > Democracy? Wassat then? > > With petrol at about 6 pounds ($12) per gallon over here, we can't AFFORD > democracy. > That's ok, we'll be happy to spend six weeks delivering "democracy" by air before we send in the gas station attendants. :) Just one of the free services we're happy to provide! (ye gods I'm getting to be crotchety....) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed Jun 4 08:00:06 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:00:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > (ye gods I'm getting to be crotchety....) > That's the age thing ... -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mcollins at null.net Wed Jun 4 09:00:00 2008 From: mcollins at null.net (Mark Collins) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:00:00 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <07574b9e518a4fc8a773152bd57eacf1.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: Where can I get one of those... ...no, not the picture....the gun! I really need one. I just replanted the whole front yard by the street and Morons keep driving through the soft mud with no grass yet and leaving very large gullies that i have to go smooth out and replant the grass on. I think just having it sitting out on the lawn with a sign that says..."go ahead...make my day" would probably work. ;) Mark -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org]On Behalf Of Brian Sikkema Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 9:52 AM To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB >Heheh. I don't know about Oz, but depending on how nice/annoying they >were, I would've told 'em that I'd be more than happy to show them the >contents of the trailer when they return with a warrant. :) I must be >starting that downward slide into "get off my damn lawn!" land. *sigh* :) You need this, Gene: http://www.sikkema.us/getoffmylawn_small.jpg _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 09:01:24 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >> >> (ye gods I'm getting to be crotchety....) >> > > That's the age thing ... > Tell me about it. I'm still getting used to the whole "40" thing. Then again, I awake every day amazed that I've survived THIS long. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 09:04:21 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Where can I get one of those... > > ...no, not the picture....the gun! I really need one. I just replanted the > whole front yard by the street and Morons keep driving through the soft mud > with no grass yet and leaving very large gullies that i have to go smooth > out and replant the grass on. I think just having it sitting out on the > lawn with a sign that says..."go ahead...make my day" would probably work. > ;) > Mark, may I suggest a sign that reads, "Caution: Severe Tire Damage May Result" posted in a couple of places along the lawn edge? What they don't know will keep your yard free of tire tracks. *Evil Grin* Alternately, you can post some of these: http://www.icenimilitaria.co.uk/assets/achtungminenbig.jpg :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From cyplesma at aol.com Wed Jun 4 09:28:55 2008 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:28:55 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <07574b9e518a4fc8a773152bd57eacf1.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <07574b9e518a4fc8a773152bd57eacf1.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: <8CA9477378B0BD6-14E0-3B7@mblk-d27.sysops.aol.com> I and many of my neighbors have this sign displayed "PROUDLY" 8 ) http://www.freedomradio.us/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=64&Itemid=65 -----Original Message----- From: Brian Sikkema To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:51 am Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB >Heheh. I don't know about Oz, but depending on how nice/annoying they >were, I would've told 'em that I'd be more than happy to show them the >contents of the trailer when they return with a warrant. :) I must be >starting that downward slide into "get off my damn lawn!" land. *sigh* :) You need this, Gene: http://www.sikkema.us/getoffmylawn_small.jpg _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080604/7062ebed/attachment-0001.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 09:40:09 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <8CA9477378B0BD6-14E0-3B7@mblk-d27.sysops.aol.com> References: <07574b9e518a4fc8a773152bd57eacf1.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> <8CA9477378B0BD6-14E0-3B7@mblk-d27.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > I and many of my neighbors have this sign displayed "PROUDLY" > > 8 ) > > http://www.freedomradio.us/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=64&Itemid=65 > That's just a hair short of the tinfoil hat crowd I think. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Wed Jun 4 09:56:13 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:56:13 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB Message-ID: <7e3e9867491f46139a33148982ec14ab.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Still getting used to 40, ten years later? *runs away* >------- Original Message ------- >From : Gene Buckle[mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com] >Sent : 6/4/2008 12:01:24 PM >To : simpits-tech at simpits.org >Cc : >Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB > >> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >> >> (ye gods I'm getting to be crotchety....) >> > > That's the age thing ... > Tell me about it. I'm still getting used to the whole "40" thing. Then again, I awake every day amazed that I've survived THIS long. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 10:18:45 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: <7e3e9867491f46139a33148982ec14ab.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <7e3e9867491f46139a33148982ec14ab.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > Still getting used to 40, ten years later? > > > *runs away* > Just remember, youth and enthusiasm has no chance against old age and treachery. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From cyplesma at aol.com Wed Jun 4 10:34:28 2008 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:34:28 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <07574b9e518a4fc8a773152bd57eacf1.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> <8CA9477378B0BD6-14E0-3B7@mblk-d27.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA94805EB63B77-10AC-ED2@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> well, I do often wonder what would be best to but in the walls and ceiling of my house to defect those cia cessanas peeping toms. aluminum, copper, lead, steal, some alloy of some combination of those or maybe I'll just have to start a "Backyard Foundry" and come up with something. lightweight, deflects radio, radar, xray, and sonic intrusions.... and keeps electronic pulses in so that the energy emitting doesn't become accesible for any passive devices flying overhead. I do get a lot of cessanas, maybe beeachcraft flybys, even the occasional low flying C-130 (not too much of these lately), but I did have a couple of F16s fly by at around 300-500 ft. And the small high wings always seem to fly at 1500 - 2000 ft for some reason, and always when I'm working outside. 8 ) -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:40 pm Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB > I and many of my neighbors have this sign displayed "PROUDLY" > > 8 ) > > http://www.freedomradio.us/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=64&Itemid=65 > That's just a hair short of the tinfoil hat crowd I think. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080604/3ce1f97f/attachment.html From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Wed Jun 4 11:40:53 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:40:53 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Why do people feel compelled to fix what isn'tbroken? References: <8aebe4ac699945f1b91e9af455f523f2.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: <00da01c8c672$85800470$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Vista?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Sikkema" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:37 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] Why do people feel compelled to fix what isn'tbroken? > Just venting. Here at work we've "upgraded" to the newest version of > Office. Not that the previous version didn't work just dandy. > Now Outlook gives me all kinds of fits and rarely works properly. I'm > trying to start a new email and it says that it can't > because a Dialog Box is open. Not that I see... So I try and close the > program. Nope, not gonna let me. > > Ctrl-Alt-Delete for YOU, my friend... *grumble* > > MS sucks... > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From allendc at qwest.net Wed Jun 4 11:52:04 2008 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:52:04 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB In-Reply-To: References: <7e3e9867491f46139a33148982ec14ab.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: <20080604185218.EA84D627940@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> >Just remember, youth and enthusiasm has no chance against old age and >treachery. :) Gene I tell you that all the time >:-} >:-} >:-} >:-} David From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Wed Jun 4 12:10:57 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:10:57 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB References: Message-ID: <014501c8c676$b8d470f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> 12 bucks! Holy Sheet. I thought it was bad here at 5.50! What in God's name do they want for 100LL? Wonder what it would cost to rent a tanker? I could load her up with 5.50 a gallon gas and run some on over to ya. Maybe we could cut a deal with BP. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Coates" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] General ino and a Question for GeneB > On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > >> >> Roy, we're Americans. We don't bother to notice what's going on >> >> anywhere else in the world! ;) >> > >> > Yeah, we kinda noticed that ! >> > >> Hey, be nice or we'll bring democracy to *your* country. :) >> >> g. >> (wonders when the carrier USS Ukian is due to dock...) > > > Democracy? Wassat then? > > With petrol at about 6 pounds ($12) per gallon over here, we can't AFFORD > democracy. > > > > -- > > Roy Coates. > Dept of Engineering. > Liverpool University. > E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk > Tel: 0151 794 4862 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs > meter. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Wed Jun 4 13:57:21 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:57:21 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Why do people feel compelled to fix whatisn'tbroken? Message-ID: <269d88bd2726482db6b23de869487355.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Thank the good lord, they haven't foisted Vista on us yet. It will come soon, I'm sure.... >------- Original Message ------- >From : Rick Davis[mailto:rd at ns.sympatico.ca] >Sent : 6/4/2008 2:40:53 PM >To : simpits-tech at simpits.org >Cc : >Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] Why do people feel compelled to fix whatisn'tbroken? > >Vista?? ----- Original Message ----- isn'tbroken? > Just venting. Here at work we've "upgraded" to the newest version of > Office. Not that the previous version didn't work just dandy. > Now Outlook gives me all kinds of fits and rarely works properly. I'm > trying to start a new email and it says that it can't > because a Dialog Box is open. Not that I see... So I try and close the > program. Nope, not gonna let me. > > Ctrl-Alt-Delete for YOU, my friend... *grumble* > > MS sucks... > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From pascal at pascal.org Wed Jun 4 18:34:23 2008 From: pascal at pascal.org (Freeman Pascal) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:34:23 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Why do people feel compelled to fix whatisn'tbroken? In-Reply-To: <269d88bd2726482db6b23de869487355.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <269d88bd2726482db6b23de869487355.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: <791083A7-62F1-4FED-96F6-73790FF6EC7F@pascal.org> Not to belabor the issue, but I have been happily using Vista Ultimate at home and Vista Business at work for over a year now. I much prefer it over XP. I have had NO, and I mean NO problems with it. Of course I'm running high end machines with dual and quad core processors, 8Gb RAM, and nVidia 8800 GTX (2 at home in SLI). As a sysad and software developer for the last 22 years I would happily recommend Vista over any version of Windows. But Mac OSX and Linux are still better -Freeman On Jun 4, 2008, at 1:57 PM, Brian Sikkema wrote: > Thank the good lord, they haven't foisted Vista on us > yet. It will come soon, I'm sure.... > > >> ------- Original Message ------- >> From : Rick Davis[mailto:rd at ns.sympatico.ca] >> Sent : 6/4/2008 2:40:53 PM >> To : simpits-tech at simpits.org >> Cc : >> Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] Why do people feel > compelled to fix whatisn'tbroken? >> >> Vista?? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > isn'tbroken? > > >> Just venting. Here at work we've "upgraded" to the > newest version of >> Office. Not that the previous version didn't work > just dandy. >> Now Outlook gives me all kinds of fits and rarely > works properly. I'm >> trying to start a new email and it says that it can't >> because a Dialog Box is open. Not that I see... So > I try and close the >> program. Nope, not gonna let me. >> >> Ctrl-Alt-Delete for YOU, my friend... *grumble* >> >> MS sucks... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Simpits-tech mailing list >> Simpits-tech at simpits.org >> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >> To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the > bottom of the above >> page. Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the > bottom of the above page. Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Jun 4 19:44:49 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Why do people feel compelled to fix whatisn'tbroken? In-Reply-To: <791083A7-62F1-4FED-96F6-73790FF6EC7F@pascal.org> References: <269d88bd2726482db6b23de869487355.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> <791083A7-62F1-4FED-96F6-73790FF6EC7F@pascal.org> Message-ID: > As a sysad and software developer for the last 22 years I would > happily recommend Vista over any version of Windows. But Mac OSX and > Linux are still better For that I won't have your geek card cancelled because of the Vista commentary. :) Have you had a chance to get imperial versions of those panel drawings you found? BTW, for those that might be interested, I've got a good set of drawings for the Grob 109 instrument panel. It's been recently modelled in FlightGear. For those that don't know, the Grob is a motor glider. Pretty neat airplane too. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rhommel at mad.scientist.com Thu Jun 5 10:06:31 2008 From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com (Rob Hommel) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:06:31 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Why do people feel compelled to fix whatisn'tbroken? Message-ID: <20080605170631.8854DBE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> uhh... I wasn't fixing it I was just adjusting it. Keep 'em Flying rob Hommel -- See Exclusive Videos: 10th Annual Young Hollywood Awards http://www.hollywoodlife.net/younghollywoodawards2008/ From pascal at pascal.org Fri Jun 6 13:32:09 2008 From: pascal at pascal.org (Freeman P. Pascal IV) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:32:09 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Standard mounting dimensions for avionics? Message-ID: <48499EC9.7000407@pascal.org> Is there a standard width for avionics equipment? I have seen everything from 6.25 to 6.35 inches in online product descriptions. Simkits uses 6.3 inches. I've tried to find pictures or installation instructions online for your typical King/Bendix units. How are avionics units secured? What kind of mounting hardware is typical with avionics equipment? -Freeman From chevello at rcn.com Fri Jun 6 16:35:28 2008 From: chevello at rcn.com (KD) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:35:28 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pulsing a toggle switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4849C9C0.9050208@rcn.com> I found this today. I knew there was a simple way to do it. Use a toggle switch for momentary contact. http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/howto/toggle.htm At the bottom of this is a way to do it with an opto isolator http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/howto/switches.htm For a rotary there are these nifty things: http://www3.alps.com/WebObjects/catalog.woa/E/HTML/Switch/Rotary/SRBM/SRBM1L0800.html These are a pulse switch that gives a momentary contact each time a click is felt on the switch. There are 2 sets of contacts, one for CW rotation, one for CCW. K From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Jun 6 20:01:37 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 20:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Standard mounting dimensions for avionics? In-Reply-To: <48499EC9.7000407@pascal.org> References: <48499EC9.7000407@pascal.org> Message-ID: > Is there a standard width for avionics equipment? I have seen > everything from 6.25 to 6.35 inches in online product descriptions. > Simkits uses 6.3 inches. > > I've tried to find pictures or installation instructions online for your > typical King/Bendix units. How are avionics units secured? What kind > of mounting hardware is typical with avionics equipment? > I can't help with the dimensions, but the devices (radios, transponder, etc) are typically mounted in a "tray" that's installed in the instrument panel. The tray usually carries all the wiring and has a connector that mates to the control head when you install it. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 20:39:10 2008 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 22:39:10 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pulsing a toggle switch In-Reply-To: <4849C9C0.9050208@rcn.com> References: <4849C9C0.9050208@rcn.com> Message-ID: Gee, try and reinvent the wheel,,, use a 555 as debounce mode we do it all the time.... there realy an osillator that can be put into single shot mode... Cris www.phoenixcomm.net/~phnx2000 www.phoenixaerospace.us www.avi-tronix.com On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 6:35 PM, KD wrote: > I found this today. I knew there was a simple way to do it. > Use a toggle switch for momentary contact. > http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/howto/toggle.htm > > At the bottom of this is a way to do it with an opto isolator > http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/howto/switches.htm > > For a rotary there are these nifty things: > > > http://www3.alps.com/WebObjects/catalog.woa/E/HTML/Switch/Rotary/SRBM/SRBM1L0800.html > > These are a pulse switch that gives a momentary contact each time a > click is felt on the switch. There are 2 sets of contacts, one for CW > rotation, one for CCW. > > K > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080606/6ee7f550/attachment.html From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 20:43:20 2008 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 22:43:20 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Why do people feel compelled to fix what isn't broken? In-Reply-To: <8aebe4ac699945f1b91e9af455f523f2.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <8aebe4ac699945f1b91e9af455f523f2.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: Brian, no worries, get off the MS tit.... download Openoffice... spreadsheet if far better.... and try Mozilla Thunderbird Mail Client....... life is good.... Cris Harrison www.phoenixcomm.net/~phnx2000/sim www.phoenixaerospace.us www.avi-tronix.com On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Brian Sikkema wrote: > Just venting. Here at work we've "upgraded" to the newest version of > Office. Not that the previous version didn't work just dandy. > Now Outlook gives me all kinds of fits and rarely works properly. I'm > trying to start a new email and it says that it can't > because a Dialog Box is open. Not that I see... So I try and close the > program. Nope, not gonna let me. > > Ctrl-Alt-Delete for YOU, my friend... *grumble* > > MS sucks... > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080606/b538f912/attachment-0001.html From pascal at pascal.org Sat Jun 7 00:08:47 2008 From: pascal at pascal.org (Freeman P. Pascal IV) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:08:47 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Gears... Message-ID: <484A33FF.3010107@pascal.org> I'm looking at gears and reading about them in Wikipedia. I know that you have to take care when selecting gears so that their teeth mesh correctly between gears of different diameters. For sim use I suspect spur gears and rack/pinons would be the most useful. Are there any rules about selecting different size gear diameters, teeth pitches, etc. to make selecting gears and easy process? -Freeman From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Sat Jun 7 07:17:14 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 10:17:14 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Why do people feel compelled to fix what isn'tbroken? Message-ID: Oh I use OO at home. Can't control what I have at work. ------- Original Message ------- >From : Cris Harrison[mailto:phoenixcomm at gmail.com] Sent : 6/6/2008 11:43:20 PM To : simpits-tech at simpits.org Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] Why do people feel compelled to fix what isn'tbroken? Brian, no worries, get off the MS tit.... download Openoffice... spreadsheet if far better.... and try Mozilla Thunderbird Mail Client....... life is good.... Cris Harrison www.phoenixcomm.net/~phnx2000/sim www.phoenixaerospace.us www.avi-tronix.com On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Brian Sikkema wrote: Just venting. Here at work we've "upgraded" to the newest version of Office. Not that the previous version didn't work just dandy. Now Outlook gives me all kinds of fits and rarely works properly. I'm trying to start a new email and it says that it can't because a Dialog Box is open. Not that I see... So I try and close the program. Nope, not gonna let me. Ctrl-Alt-Delete for YOU, my friend... *grumble* MS sucks... _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Sat Jun 7 13:50:31 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 17:50:31 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit demensions References: <014501c8c676$b8d470f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <00a701c8c8e0$208b51d0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> I am trying to find the demensions of a Cessna 172 panel. Both right and left sides including the radio stack would be nice. I don't have CAD or any of that, but I got a ruler and a big sheet of paper and a bucnh of roundy shaped thigs I can use. This is about as close as I have come, although ... no measurements. http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/howto/172proj.htm Is there some place I can get the demensions for a panel so I can cut one out of plywood? Just a picture even with the demensions on it. Rick From pascal at pascal.org Sat Jun 7 19:07:21 2008 From: pascal at pascal.org (Freeman P. Pascal IV) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:07:21 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit demensions In-Reply-To: <00a701c8c8e0$208b51d0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <014501c8c676$b8d470f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <00a701c8c8e0$208b51d0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <484B3ED9.4070103@pascal.org> Rick Davis wrote: > I am trying to find the demensions of a Cessna 172 panel. Both right and > left sides including the radio stack would be nice. I don't have CAD or any > of that, but I got a ruler and a big sheet of paper and a bucnh of roundy > shaped thigs I can use. > > This is about as close as I have come, although ... no measurements. > > http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/howto/172proj.htm > > Is there some place I can get the demensions for a panel so I can cut one > out of plywood? Just a picture even with the demensions on it. > > Rick > Rick, Gene has my drawings, and hopefully he will be able generate some plywood proofs from them on the shopbot. I don't want to speak for him, but you might want to ask very nicely and throw in a virtual case of beer. If you want my drawings, I'm willing to pass them on. TurboCAD is a decent deal at $129 for TurboCAD Deluxe. I have used it for several projects and the upgrade costs are not too bad at $49 for each new release. I tend to skip releases and upgrade every other release. -Freeman From fliper56789 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 7 21:39:30 2008 From: fliper56789 at yahoo.com (Harold P Enos) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit demensions In-Reply-To: <484B3ED9.4070103@pascal.org> Message-ID: <820010.44450.qm@web53407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Forgot to tell you, just print then out at 100% and your in business Phil "Freeman P. Pascal IV" wrote: Rick Davis wrote: > I am trying to find the demensions of a Cessna 172 panel. Both right and > left sides including the radio stack would be nice. I don't have CAD or any > of that, but I got a ruler and a big sheet of paper and a bucnh of roundy > shaped thigs I can use. > > This is about as close as I have come, although ... no measurements. > > http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/howto/172proj.htm > > Is there some place I can get the demensions for a panel so I can cut one > out of plywood? Just a picture even with the demensions on it. > > Rick > Rick, Gene has my drawings, and hopefully he will be able generate some plywood proofs from them on the shopbot. I don't want to speak for him, but you might want to ask very nicely and throw in a virtual case of beer. If you want my drawings, I'm willing to pass them on. TurboCAD is a decent deal at $129 for TurboCAD Deluxe. I have used it for several projects and the upgrade costs are not too bad at $49 for each new release. I tend to skip releases and upgrade every other release. -Freeman _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080607/7616da43/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Sat Jun 7 22:28:54 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 22:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit demensions In-Reply-To: <00a701c8c8e0$208b51d0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <014501c8c676$b8d470f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <00a701c8c8e0$208b51d0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: > I am trying to find the demensions of a Cessna 172 panel. Both right and > left sides including the radio stack would be nice. I don't have CAD or any > of that, but I got a ruler and a big sheet of paper and a bucnh of roundy > shaped thigs I can use. > Rick, have you taken a look at the CAD files that Simkits has on their site? The Cessna panel drawing is pretty close to dead on. It's only a half panel though, so you'll have to draw in the rest. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Sun Jun 8 05:46:24 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 09:46:24 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit demensions References: <014501c8c676$b8d470f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00a701c8c8e0$208b51d0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <484B3ED9.4070103@pascal.org> Message-ID: <004501c8c965$a980a780$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Freeman, Gene et all, I have an older copy of Auto Cad here. Probably 5 years old. Do you think that will do? I haven't used Auto Cad in 20 years, but I'm willing to muddle through. I have run into quite a few sites where I can get gauge dimensions and placement, but the actual size and shape of the panel is the clincher. Doesn't have to be perfect, but since that's the first step in the project I'd like to be relatively close. I was at an auction yesterday where there was an older 48" plot printer for sale. The kind that has a half dozen pens in a cradle/carousel. No-one bid on it and I think I could probably pick it up for 50 bucks. Leaving the auction and still seeing it standing there all lonely like in the corner gave me a nagging feeling. There were even several boxes of ink. Suppose it's worth bothering with? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Freeman P. Pascal IV" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit demensions > Rick Davis wrote: >> I am trying to find the demensions of a Cessna 172 panel. Both right and >> left sides including the radio stack would be nice. I don't have CAD or >> any >> of that, but I got a ruler and a big sheet of paper and a bucnh of roundy >> shaped thigs I can use. >> >> This is about as close as I have come, although ... no measurements. >> >> http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/howto/172proj.htm >> >> Is there some place I can get the demensions for a panel so I can cut one >> out of plywood? Just a picture even with the demensions on it. >> >> Rick >> > Rick, > > Gene has my drawings, and hopefully he will be able generate some > plywood proofs from them on the shopbot. I don't want to speak for him, > but you might want to ask very nicely and throw in a virtual case of beer. > > If you want my drawings, I'm willing to pass them on. TurboCAD is a > decent deal at $129 for TurboCAD Deluxe. I have used it for several > projects and the upgrade costs are not too bad at $49 for each new > release. I tend to skip releases and upgrade every other release. > > > -Freeman > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Jun 8 09:52:04 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 09:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit demensions In-Reply-To: <004501c8c965$a980a780$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <014501c8c676$b8d470f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00a701c8c8e0$208b51d0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <484B3ED9.4070103@pascal.org> <004501c8c965$a980a780$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: > I have an older copy of Auto Cad here. Probably 5 years old. Do you think > that will do? > Anything newer than AutoCAD 2000 will work really well. Even 2000 is adequate for your purposes. > I have run into quite a few sites where I can get gauge dimensions and > placement, but the actual size and shape of the panel is the clincher. > Doesn't have to be perfect, but since that's the first step in the project > I'd like to be relatively close. > I'm working on updating the SimKits Cessna 172 panel drawing with a few additional details. The only data I don't have is the size for the center radio stack section and the remaining right side panel. > I was at an auction yesterday where there was an older 48" plot printer for > sale. The kind that has a half dozen pens in a cradle/carousel. No-one bid > on it and I think I could probably pick it up for 50 bucks. Leaving the > auction and still seeing it standing there all lonely like in the corner > gave me a nagging feeling. There were even several boxes of ink. Suppose > it's worth bothering with? It all depends on how old it is and whether or not you can get drivers to use it. I'd do some investigation via Google to find out whether or not it's worth it. If you've got a CAD drawing you'd like plotted, I can do it on the 'bot for shipping & tube costs. I can't run Jpegs or other graphics though - it needs to be something I can convert to a CNC tool path. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From pascal at pascal.org Sun Jun 8 10:48:58 2008 From: pascal at pascal.org (Freeman P. Pascal IV) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 11:48:58 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit demensions In-Reply-To: <004501c8c965$a980a780$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <014501c8c676$b8d470f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00a701c8c8e0$208b51d0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <484B3ED9.4070103@pascal.org> <004501c8c965$a980a780$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <484C1B8A.5020103@pascal.org> Rick Davis wrote: > Freeman, Gene et all, > > I have an older copy of Auto Cad here. Probably 5 years old. Do you think > that will do? > > I'll send you my drawings in anther email. You can see if your version will read them. I would be surprised if your copy couldn't read my DWG files. I'm not doing anthing special in them. > I haven't used Auto Cad in 20 years, but I'm willing to muddle through. > > I have run into quite a few sites where I can get gauge dimensions and > placement, but the actual size and shape of the panel is the clincher. > Doesn't have to be perfect, but since that's the first step in the project > I'd like to be relatively close. > > An alternate approach I was looking until Gene stepped in, is to monitor eBay and watch for instrument panels among the Cessna parts. I tend to want as close to original parts (ie. appearance and function) as I can get for my pit. Being a ham radio operator I also like working in aluminum or steel for my frames and chassis. > I was at an auction yesterday where there was an older 48" plot printer for > sale. The kind that has a half dozen pens in a cradle/carousel. No-one bid > on it and I think I could probably pick it up for 50 bucks. Leaving the > auction and still seeing it standing there all lonely like in the corner > gave me a nagging feeling. There were even several boxes of ink. Suppose > it's worth bothering with? > > Wow, depending on the condition of the printer I would have bought it. I keep hoping to run across a a 48" plotter and/or color postscript printer. I never seem to have the luck that you or others have. eBay prices tend to be on the higher side of surplus and you never get a chance to lay eyes on the equipment before you buy it. > Rick > > -Freeman From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Sun Jun 8 11:15:46 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 15:15:46 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit demensions References: <014501c8c676$b8d470f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00a701c8c8e0$208b51d0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <484B3ED9.4070103@pascal.org><004501c8c965$a980a780$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <484C1B8A.5020103@pascal.org> Message-ID: <002e01c8c993$ac68bd60$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> I have AutoDesk/CAD 2005 and seems to be fine. Brings back memories. Well, we were using DOS back then. Before windows 3.1.! I think this particular plotter has been in use within the past 5 or 6 years though. I didn't have time to "hover" yesterday, but I'll call him and see if he has maybe listed it to be thrown out. :) Of course, without drivers it is useless because they are not easy to find. (IBM) I saw nothing with it except a box of ink and a parallel cable. I'll let you know. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Freeman P. Pascal IV" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit demensions > Rick Davis wrote: >> Freeman, Gene et all, >> >> I have an older copy of Auto Cad here. Probably 5 years old. Do you think >> that will do? >> >> > I'll send you my drawings in anther email. You can see if your version > will read them. I would be surprised if your copy couldn't read my DWG > files. I'm not doing anthing special in them. >> I haven't used Auto Cad in 20 years, but I'm willing to muddle through. >> >> I have run into quite a few sites where I can get gauge dimensions and >> placement, but the actual size and shape of the panel is the clincher. >> Doesn't have to be perfect, but since that's the first step in the >> project >> I'd like to be relatively close. >> >> > An alternate approach I was looking until Gene stepped in, is to monitor > eBay and watch for instrument panels among the Cessna parts. I tend to > want as close to original parts (ie. appearance and function) as I can > get for my pit. Being a ham radio operator I also like working in > aluminum or steel for my frames and chassis. >> I was at an auction yesterday where there was an older 48" plot printer >> for >> sale. The kind that has a half dozen pens in a cradle/carousel. No-one >> bid >> on it and I think I could probably pick it up for 50 bucks. Leaving the >> auction and still seeing it standing there all lonely like in the corner >> gave me a nagging feeling. There were even several boxes of ink. Suppose >> it's worth bothering with? >> >> > Wow, depending on the condition of the printer I would have bought it. > I keep hoping to run across a a 48" plotter and/or color postscript > printer. I never seem to have the luck that you or others have. eBay > prices tend to be on the higher side of surplus and you never get a > chance to lay eyes on the equipment before you buy it. > >> Rick >> >> > > -Freeman > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Sun Jun 8 11:26:41 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 15:26:41 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit demensions References: <014501c8c676$b8d470f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00a701c8c8e0$208b51d0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <484B3ED9.4070103@pascal.org><004501c8c965$a980a780$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <484C1B8A.5020103@pascal.org> Message-ID: <005a01c8c995$3299a7e0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Just tried emailing you off list Freeman, but it got caught by the border guards and threw back. ha Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Freeman P. Pascal IV" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit demensions > Rick Davis wrote: >> Freeman, Gene et all, >> >> I have an older copy of Auto Cad here. Probably 5 years old. Do you think >> that will do? >> >> > I'll send you my drawings in anther email. You can see if your version > will read them. I would be surprised if your copy couldn't read my DWG > files. I'm not doing anthing special in them. >> I haven't used Auto Cad in 20 years, but I'm willing to muddle through. >> >> I have run into quite a few sites where I can get gauge dimensions and >> placement, but the actual size and shape of the panel is the clincher. >> Doesn't have to be perfect, but since that's the first step in the >> project >> I'd like to be relatively close. >> >> > An alternate approach I was looking until Gene stepped in, is to monitor > eBay and watch for instrument panels among the Cessna parts. I tend to > want as close to original parts (ie. appearance and function) as I can > get for my pit. Being a ham radio operator I also like working in > aluminum or steel for my frames and chassis. >> I was at an auction yesterday where there was an older 48" plot printer >> for >> sale. The kind that has a half dozen pens in a cradle/carousel. No-one >> bid >> on it and I think I could probably pick it up for 50 bucks. Leaving the >> auction and still seeing it standing there all lonely like in the corner >> gave me a nagging feeling. There were even several boxes of ink. Suppose >> it's worth bothering with? >> >> > Wow, depending on the condition of the printer I would have bought it. > I keep hoping to run across a a 48" plotter and/or color postscript > printer. I never seem to have the luck that you or others have. eBay > prices tend to be on the higher side of surplus and you never get a > chance to lay eyes on the equipment before you buy it. > >> Rick >> >> > > -Freeman > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From pascal at pascal.org Sun Jun 8 11:35:15 2008 From: pascal at pascal.org (Freeman P. Pascal IV) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 12:35:15 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit demensions In-Reply-To: <005a01c8c995$3299a7e0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <014501c8c676$b8d470f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00a701c8c8e0$208b51d0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <484B3ED9.4070103@pascal.org><004501c8c965$a980a780$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <484C1B8A.5020103@pascal.org> <005a01c8c995$3299a7e0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <484C2663.2030009@pascal.org> Rick Davis wrote: > Just tried emailing you off list Freeman, but it got caught by the border > guards and threw back. > > ha > > Thanks > > > Ack, what did the message say? I'll have to talk to my friend who handles hosting my domain. Being a security expert he tends to be a bit over zealous with his own systems, which effects my domain also. -Freeman From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Jun 8 12:41:11 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit Master update... Message-ID: Ok folks, I reached a great milestone today: Cockpit Master is communicating fully with the first flight simulator in the list. In this case it's FlightGear. This includes multi-threaded Lua script. An example test script I'm using: -- Obtain the COM2 frequency and change it. Com2Freq = cm:GetStringValue("COM2_FRQ") cm:SetStringValue("COM2_FRQ", "118.700") This script correctly obtains the COM2 frequency and changes it as shown. It was neater than hell watching FlightGear running in a window and seeing the frequency display on COM2 change when the script kicked off. Next step is going to be basic hardware integration with the inputs from a Plasma-MM2. The good news is that the REALLY hard work (knocks on wood) has been done. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Sun Jun 8 12:46:37 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 16:46:37 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit demensions References: <014501c8c676$b8d470f0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b><00a701c8c8e0$208b51d0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <484B3ED9.4070103@pascal.org><004501c8c965$a980a780$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <484C1B8A.5020103@pascal.org><005a01c8c995$3299a7e0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> <484C2663.2030009@pascal.org> Message-ID: <00a501c8c9a0$5d1affe0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> It said it did not accept email from sympatico.ca unless you call them and tell them your email address first. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Freeman P. Pascal IV" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit demensions > Rick Davis wrote: >> Just tried emailing you off list Freeman, but it got caught by the border >> guards and threw back. >> >> ha >> >> Thanks >> >> >> > Ack, what did the message say? I'll have to talk to my friend who > handles hosting my domain. Being a security expert he tends to be a bit > over zealous with his own systems, which effects my domain also. > > -Freeman > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 8 14:12:28 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 16:12:28 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit Master update... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8DCE8A82F6984760A64BAD88D9F1B78F@flightsystems> Outstanding work g. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 2:41 PM To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit Master update... Ok folks, I reached a great milestone today: Cockpit Master is communicating fully with the first flight simulator in the list. In this case it's FlightGear. This includes multi-threaded Lua script. An example test script I'm using: -- Obtain the COM2 frequency and change it. Com2Freq = cm:GetStringValue("COM2_FRQ") cm:SetStringValue("COM2_FRQ", "118.700") This script correctly obtains the COM2 frequency and changes it as shown. It was neater than hell watching FlightGear running in a window and seeing the frequency display on COM2 change when the script kicked off. Next step is going to be basic hardware integration with the inputs from a Plasma-MM2. The good news is that the REALLY hard work (knocks on wood) has been done. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Jun 8 15:39:11 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 15:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit Master update... In-Reply-To: <8DCE8A82F6984760A64BAD88D9F1B78F@flightsystems> References: <8DCE8A82F6984760A64BAD88D9F1B78F@flightsystems> Message-ID: > Outstanding work g. > Thanks Jay. As soon as I've got some basic hardware support in, I'll have you play alpha tester. :) You'll need to download FlightGear v1.0 and get it installed. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Sun Jun 8 15:50:42 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 19:50:42 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit Master update... References: Message-ID: <003a01c8c9ba$1471ee10$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> I can't wait for the MM2 I ordered to arrive. But what you're doing is something I could never get my head around. I stopped "programming" back when GWBasic was King! I could actually ask for an input, and then make it print out of a dot matrix printer!!!!!!!! Good thing there's folks like you around, otherwise I'd still be winding my watch. Thanks for the help with the panel dimensions guys. Now I will cut out the basic shape. Step 1(a) of 72767 steps. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit Master update... > Ok folks, I reached a great milestone today: > > Cockpit Master is communicating fully with the first flight simulator in > the list. In this case it's FlightGear. > > This includes multi-threaded Lua script. > > An example test script I'm using: > > -- Obtain the COM2 frequency and change it. > Com2Freq = cm:GetStringValue("COM2_FRQ") > cm:SetStringValue("COM2_FRQ", "118.700") > > This script correctly obtains the COM2 frequency and changes it as shown. > It was neater than hell watching FlightGear running in a window and seeing > the frequency display on COM2 change when the script kicked off. > > Next step is going to be basic hardware integration with the inputs from a > Plasma-MM2. > > The good news is that the REALLY hard work (knocks on wood) has been done. > > g. > > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Sun Jun 8 16:11:18 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 00:11:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit Master update... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Errrrr... what's Cockpit Master then ? and yeah, watching stuff change remotely after you've spent half a lifetime writing code to make it happen is always a huge buzz. Glad you made it that far! After fabricating and then wiring up my overhead switch panel, it was uber-cool to see x-plane respond as I worked through the startup checklists to the point where I had both engines running and was ready for takeoff :-) -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rhommel at mad.scientist.com Sun Jun 8 18:06:12 2008 From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com (Rob Hommel) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 20:06:12 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] stranded Message-ID: <20080609010612.1BEB8164293@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> In todays News, really... Stranded divers fight off Komodo dragon with rocks, wood Associated Press JAKARTA, Indonesia ? A group of European scuba divers swept away in strong currents scrambled onto a remote Indonesian island only to face another threat: a Komodo dragon. A port official said Sunday the divers from Britain, France and Sweden were able to scare off the giant lizard by pelting it with rocks and pieces of wood. He said Komodo dragons often come out when they smell something new, including humans, whom they've been known to kill. The five divers were swept away by treacherous currents after plunging into the water from their wooden boat on Thursday afternoon. They hit shore 12 hours later, after drifting 20 miles in shark-infested waters. The divers spent one night on Rinca island before they were rescued. The English tried to appease the dragon, the French surrendered and the Swede slept with it!too bad no Cajuns were there, they would have made a gumbo! -- See Exclusive Videos: 10th Annual Young Hollywood Awards http://www.hollywoodlife.net/younghollywoodawards2008/ From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Jun 8 20:27:53 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 20:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit Master update... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Errrrr... what's Cockpit Master then ? > It's a program that will allow you to attach a custom script to a number of different flight simulators in order to process input and output. I'll illustrate how it works for FlightGear currently. Other simulators will be very similar, differing only in the communication layer details. You define functions by name and attach them to simulator properties. The name you've defined is then available as a property name in Lua (and eventually anything supported by the Windows Scripting Host such as VBScript, JScript, etc.). For example, the COM1 frequency in FlightGear is held in the following property: /instrumentation/comm[0]/frequencies/selected-mhz Now say you create a function name called "COM1_FRQ" and you tie that to the above listed FlightGear radio property. When you make this definition, you'll also declare it to be either an input or an output. This is important later. :) All the parameters that you're going to use, input or output, you're going to add to a file that lives in the /flightgear/data/prototype folder. All of the entries in the protocol file are going to be tagged as outputs, even if you're going to send data to them. The "chunk" for the COM1 radio looks like this: COM1FRQ float COM1_FRQ=%3.3f /instrumentation/comm[0]/frequencies/selected-mhz The communications system between Cockpit Master and FlightGear requires both a UDP and a TCP connection. Cockpit Master acts as a UDP server and talks to FlightGear via a TCP client connection. You would start FlightGear like this: fgfs --telnet=5500 --generic=socket,out,,,5501,udp, is the number of times per second you want FlightGear to send all the data in the protocol file to the host listed in . The 5500 and 5501 ports are arbitrary and you can use whatever port you like. An example command line looks like this: fgfs --telnet=5500 --generic=socket,out,1,localhost,5501,udp,cessna172 This tells FG to read the cessna172.xml file and to send its contents 1 time per second. For "real use" purposes you'd kick that up to 30 or 40 or whatever your machine and network can handle. :) You're also not restricted to running Cockpit Master on the same computer as the flight simulator. You can dedicate an interface machine if you want. The section of the protocol file defines what is actually sent to the host. For example, it would be "COM1_FRQ=121.500" if you had your COM1 radio set to 121.50Mhz. Cockpit Master parses each incoming parameter and tries to find a match in the list of functions that you had defined earlier. If it sees one it doesn't have a match for, it'll let you know in the Parameter Output Window. When it finds a match, it compares what it already has for that parameter and if the value it just got differs from what it has, it checks to see if the function has been declared to be an input or an output. If it's an output, it silently updates the memory map and moves to the next parameter. If the function has been defined as an input, it transmits the changed value to FlightGear and updates its memory map. That is where the telnet command line option comes into play. Each time you change a value, it updates the appropriate property in the simulator. For instance, if I change the radio frequency to 121.00, it would send: set /instrumentation/comm[0]/frequencies/selected-mhz 121.00 This is done so that the only time I need to send data to the simulator is when I change something on my end. Now right now, everything I've discussed is actually working. The last element is the actual interface to the BI hardware and I expect to have that working this week. You'll assign function names to various elements of BI hardware just like you assign function names to simulator properties. Right now if I want to find out what the state of the starter is, I would write this Lua code: starter = cm:GetStringValue("STARTER") "cm" is the name of the Lua object that contains all the utility routines. Any time you need to get or set a value, you'll need to prefix it with "cm:". Now say that instead of wanting to know what the value is, I wanted to set it based on a switch input. I would do it (something) like this: if cm:GetButtonValue("STARTER") = "1" then cm:SetStringValue("STARTER", "1") end What will happen is that the software will update the memory map value assigned to "STARTER" and the next time FlightGear sends an update, it'll note the chance and send: set /controls/engines/engine[0]/starter 1 to FlightGear. Now each script has it's own update rate. That means that no matter how fast or slow FlightGear talks to Cockpit Master, the scripts will be running in their own threads, on their own interval. This allows you to fine tune the responses of your cockpit hardware. For instance, you'll want to update a gyro compass at say every 150ms to make sure that you get nice and smooth movement on the instrument, but for something like the engine magneto switch, you'd only need to check for an input change every 250 to 300ms because it's not as response critical as an instrument output is. Because Lua is a very lightweight and fast scripting language, you can write complex functions that won't take a ton of time to run. A number of commercial games rely on Lua just for this reason. (World of Warcraft and Lock On: Modern Air Combat are just two examples) If after I've had a chance to add other scripting languages and they can't hack it, they won't be made available. Is that enough of a description for you Roy? :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon Jun 9 08:01:56 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 16:01:56 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit Master update... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Jun 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > > Errrrr... what's Cockpit Master then ? > > > It's a program that will allow you to attach a custom script to a number > of different flight simulators in order to process input and output. > > > Is that enough of a description for you Roy? :) Crikey.... stay away from the sugar gene ! sounds like a very very cool project indeed. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Jun 9 09:37:09 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit Master update... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>> Errrrr... what's Cockpit Master then ? >>> >> It's a program that will allow you to attach a custom script to a number >> of different flight simulators in order to process input and output. >> >> >> Is that enough of a description for you Roy? :) > > > Crikey.... stay away from the sugar gene ! > I have to, I'm a Diabetic. :) > > sounds like a very very cool project indeed. > Well so far, so good. :) I'm waiting on a DLL question right now so I'm adding a source code editor into it. The Jedi VCL component suite is pretty cool. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon Jun 9 09:09:16 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 17:09:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit Master update... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Jun 2008, Gene Buckle wrote: > > sounds like a very very cool project indeed. > > > > Well so far, so good. :) I'm waiting on a DLL question right now so I'm > adding a source code editor into it. The Jedi VCL component suite is > pretty cool. I thought Project Jedi had gone tits up ? -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Jun 9 11:42:22 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 11:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit Master update... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>> sounds like a very very cool project indeed. >>> >> >> Well so far, so good. :) I'm waiting on a DLL question right now so I'm >> adding a source code editor into it. The Jedi VCL component suite is >> pretty cool. > > > I thought Project Jedi had gone tits up ? > Nope, v3.32 of the JVCL was released in June of '07. It was shipped on the Partner DVD that CodeGear included with RAD Studio 2007. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From white-mailbox at netzero.com Mon Jun 9 12:24:51 2008 From: white-mailbox at netzero.com (Pete) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:24:51 GMT Subject: [simpits-tech] Pen plotter . . . Message-ID: <20080609.122451.9754.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Nnooby here with a comment and a queston. . . . The old carousel type pen plotter. I was given one when it quit working., 5 years ago. The problem(s) is/are service and maintenance; pens & inks, parts, knowledge-able people and drivers. I've not found any one in my area willing to admit to knowing how to get it going. (Sacramento Calif. ). I think the problem with mine is the hard disk. Only reason for that is it was working fine until it quit. Computer could not seem to talk to the plotter. Boss bought a new HP inkjet plotter. Way better. Way better. The old one was much more fun to watch tho. If it were me I would watch eBay and such for a used inkjet or equivalent. AutoCAD! I?m using Rel-14. Loads in ,.5seconds flat. 3d capable - rendering is primitive but adequate for me uses - 3D aircraft. . . Tedious but I find numerical precision easier than in Blender or AC3D. But I?m trying them also. My reason for being here is to pick up what I can about the design/const of cockpit sims. Of particular interest - force feed back on controllers. Are there archives I can search? Point me for further reading. . . Thanks Pete Peterson COGITO ERGO ZOOM jeelocked ____________________________________________________________ Click to shop and compare great deals on Sport Utility Vehicles. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4sxGsCUbOcxKd7mSfu6acBfVZ8Vvg8WytnN9mg3voaCJKMz8/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080609/79c604c7/attachment.html From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Mon Jun 9 12:44:25 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 16:44:25 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pen plotter . . . References: <20080609.122451.9754.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <010c01c8ca69$396fe370$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Pete, Simkits has a force feedback chair unit! They have a lot of neat stuff on there. I don't know how anyone could afford to buy any of it, but it's nice all the same. I'm gonna forget about the plotter. No doubt it will just be one more thing I paid 100.00 for and will have to pay again to throw in the landfill in a few years. There is a Surveyor renting a space in my building and he has one that will print frigging wallpaper. I think it's even a Laser and about 60"! I can probably get a lot of plots with "if I don't raise your rent" sort of lines . ha ha Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Cc: white-mailbox at netzero.com Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 4:24 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] Pen plotter . . . Nnooby here with a comment and a queston. . . . The old carousel type pen plotter. I was given one when it quit working., 5 years ago. The problem(s) is/are service and maintenance; pens & inks, parts, knowledge-able people and drivers. I've not found any one in my area willing to admit to knowing how to get it going. (Sacramento Calif. ). I think the problem with mine is the hard disk. Only reason for that is it was working fine until it quit. Computer could not seem to talk to the plotter. Boss bought a new HP inkjet plotter. Way better. Way better. The old one was much more fun to watch tho. If it were me I would watch eBay and such for a used inkjet or equivalent. AutoCAD! I?m using Rel-14. Loads in ,.5seconds flat. 3d capable - rendering is primitive but adequate for me uses - 3D aircraft. . . Tedious but I find numerical precision easier than in Blender or AC3D. But I?m trying them also. My reason for being here is to pick up what I can about the design/const of cockpit sims. Of particular interest - force feed back on controllers. Are there archives I can search? Point me for further reading. . . Thanks Pete Peterson COGITO ERGO ZOOM jeelocked ____________________________________________________________ Click to shop and compare great deals on Sport Utility Vehicles. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080609/f0c8c075/attachment.html From catalina299 at gmail.com Mon Jun 9 14:01:01 2008 From: catalina299 at gmail.com (William Segal) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 14:01:01 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pen plotter . . . In-Reply-To: <010c01c8ca69$396fe370$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> References: <20080609.122451.9754.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> <010c01c8ca69$396fe370$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <3a0a6c680806091401p4b27d212h5e9a08d5b060579c@mail.gmail.com> oh brother another free loader I am back Rick my son .Tell me about this force feedback chair is that the one from California that could cool in XP plane.I believe it is supported in V9 BTW does anyone know where you can buy pre-made fiberglass cockpits ? On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Rick Davis wrote: > Pete, > > Simkits has a force feedback chair unit! They have a lot of neat stuff on > there. I don't know how anyone could afford to buy any of it, but it's nice > all the same. > > t of lines . > > ha ha > > Rick > > Best regards Bill > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Pete > *To:* simpits-tech at simpits.org > *Cc:* white-mailbox at netzero.com > *Sent:* Monday, June 09, 2008 4:24 PM > *Subject:* [simpits-tech] Pen plotter . . . > > Nnooby here with a comment and a queston. . . . > > The old carousel type pen plotter. I was given one when it quit working., 5 > years ago. > > The problem(s) is/are service and maintenance; pens & inks, parts, > knowledge-able people and drivers. I've not found any one in my area willing > to admit to knowing how to get it going. (Sacramento Calif. ). I think the > problem with mine is the hard disk. Only reason for that is it was working > fine until it quit. Computer could not seem to talk to the plotter. Boss > bought a new HP inkjet plotter. Way better. Way better. The old one was much > more fun to watch tho. > > If it were me I would watch eBay and such for a used inkjet or equivalent. > > AutoCAD! I'm using Rel-14. Loads in ,.5seconds flat. 3d capable - rendering > is primitive but adequate for me uses - 3D aircraft. . . Tedious but I find > numerical precision easier than in Blender or AC3D. But I'm trying them > also. > > My reason for being here is to pick up what I can about the design/const of > cockpit sims. Of particular interest - force feed back on controllers. Are > there archives I can search? Point me for further reading. . . > > Thanks > > Pete Peterson > COGITO ERGO ZOOM > jeelocked > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to shop and compare great deals on Sport Utility Vehicles. > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080609/e69f1c53/attachment.html From pascal at pascal.org Mon Jun 9 21:11:56 2008 From: pascal at pascal.org (Freeman P. Pascal IV) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:11:56 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] BI Plasma Lite V2 Message-ID: <484DFF0C.8030203@pascal.org> Anyone using Leo's Plasma Lite V2 from Beta Innovations? The list of features is impressive. I'm curious if all the features are available at the same time? IOW, are any of the features mutually exclusive? I'm contemplating a Plasma Lite V2 with the GT-64X. I would like to use many of the 88 inputs for switches and rotary encoders. I would also like to use the LCD for an annunciator and for displaying general status of the cockpit. I would also like to consider using the 7 segment output to drive a LED bargraph for show flap status instead of using a mechanical indicator. How much can I do with one card? Other than the LCD and the 7 Segment output, I notice there is not support for more output? Can this card do more? -Freeman From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 9 22:39:28 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 22:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] BI Plasma Lite V2 In-Reply-To: <484DFF0C.8030203@pascal.org> Message-ID: <262772.20995.qm@web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't have one personally (I have just about one of everything else). Drop him an email and ask him given what you want to do to see if some of the items are mutually exclusive. You should be able to go to his site www.betainnovations.com and download the manual. If you can't, drop me a line and I'll get it for you. Jay "Freeman P. Pascal IV" wrote: Anyone using Leo's Plasma Lite V2 from Beta Innovations? The list of features is impressive. I'm curious if all the features are available at the same time? IOW, are any of the features mutually exclusive? I'm contemplating a Plasma Lite V2 with the GT-64X. I would like to use many of the 88 inputs for switches and rotary encoders. I would also like to use the LCD for an annunciator and for displaying general status of the cockpit. I would also like to consider using the 7 segment output to drive a LED bargraph for show flap status instead of using a mechanical indicator. How much can I do with one card? Other than the LCD and the 7 Segment output, I notice there is not support for more output? Can this card do more? -Freeman _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080609/ef97fb91/attachment-0001.html From phoenixcomm at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 15:29:21 2008 From: phoenixcomm at gmail.com (Cris Harrison) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:29:21 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pen plotter . . . In-Reply-To: <20080609.122451.9754.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> References: <20080609.122451.9754.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: I used to sell the hp pen ploter (draftmaster), but I gave up on ACAD years ago I could not keep fixing it with add on software like I have one for all the hardware (nuts, bolts, AN hardware) and god dang try and loft a wing ie all the ribs. To be shure Im talking about swept back wings with taper ratio, and try to start out with a NCAA wing formula ..... can you say real ugly... doing by hand is almost easyer.... Go find a copy of Pro Engineer and Pro Mech. I lofted a pair of wings from NCAA wing formula in under 2 hours.. (most of that time was reading the book)... Plus it does my springs and force predictions... cool stuff.... Cris www.phoenixcomm.net/~phnx2000/sim www.phoenixaerospace.us www.avi-tronix.com On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Pete wrote: > Nnooby here with a comment and a queston. . . . > > The old carousel type pen plotter. I was given one when it quit working., 5 > years ago. > > The problem(s) is/are service and maintenance; pens & inks, parts, > knowledge-able people and drivers. I've not found any one in my area willing > to admit to knowing how to get it going. (Sacramento Calif. ). I think the > problem with mine is the hard disk. Only reason for that is it was working > fine until it quit. Computer could not seem to talk to the plotter. Boss > bought a new HP inkjet plotter. Way better. Way better. The old one was much > more fun to watch tho. > > If it were me I would watch eBay and such for a used inkjet or equivalent. > > AutoCAD! I'm using Rel-14. Loads in ,.5seconds flat. 3d capable - rendering > is primitive but adequate for me uses - 3D aircraft. . . Tedious but I find > numerical precision easier than in Blender or AC3D. But I'm trying them > also. > > My reason for being here is to pick up what I can about the design/const of > cockpit sims. Of particular interest - force feed back on controllers. Are > there archives I can search? Point me for further reading. . . > > Thanks > > Pete Peterson > COGITO ERGO ZOOM > jeelocked > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to shop and compare great deals on Sport Utility Vehicles. > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080610/1bfb1ac7/attachment.html From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 10 15:41:16 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:41:16 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pen plotter . . . References: <20080609.122451.9754.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <014c01c8cb4b$182cbcf0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Thanks Chris. I'll check that out. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Cris Harrison To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Pen plotter . . . I used to sell the hp pen ploter (draftmaster), but I gave up on ACAD years ago I could not keep fixing it with add on software like I have one for all the hardware (nuts, bolts, AN hardware) and god dang try and loft a wing ie all the ribs. To be shure Im talking about swept back wings with taper ratio, and try to start out with a NCAA wing formula ..... can you say real ugly... doing by hand is almost easyer.... Go find a copy of Pro Engineer and Pro Mech. I lofted a pair of wings from NCAA wing formula in under 2 hours.. (most of that time was reading the book)... Plus it does my springs and force predictions... cool stuff.... Cris www.phoenixcomm.net/~phnx2000/sim www.phoenixaerospace.us www.avi-tronix.com On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Pete wrote: Nnooby here with a comment and a queston. . . . The old carousel type pen plotter. I was given one when it quit working., 5 years ago. The problem(s) is/are service and maintenance; pens & inks, parts, knowledge-able people and drivers. I've not found any one in my area willing to admit to knowing how to get it going. (Sacramento Calif. ). I think the problem with mine is the hard disk. Only reason for that is it was working fine until it quit. Computer could not seem to talk to the plotter. Boss bought a new HP inkjet plotter. Way better. Way better. The old one was much more fun to watch tho. If it were me I would watch eBay and such for a used inkjet or equivalent. AutoCAD! I'm using Rel-14. Loads in ,.5seconds flat. 3d capable - rendering is primitive but adequate for me uses - 3D aircraft. . . Tedious but I find numerical precision easier than in Blender or AC3D. But I'm trying them also. My reason for being here is to pick up what I can about the design/const of cockpit sims. Of particular interest - force feed back on controllers. Are there archives I can search? Point me for further reading. . . 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URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080610/a021d7e4/attachment.html From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Wed Jun 11 13:18:46 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:18:46 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] MM2 References: Message-ID: <006b01c8cc00$5a243dd0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Heya Gene, My MM2 unit arrived in the mail today. Somehow I missed the fact that Leo is Canada here. Now, the rotten bugger didn't include anything with this aside from my reciept. Not an instruction sheet or a hardware map, nada. Guess maybe he wants me to fry it figuring out how it hooks up. (and his hardware map page is down) I've been in the electronics repar business off and on for more than 35 years and know my way around a soldering pencil, but I ain't touching nothing till I know what I'm doing . Any help here appreciated. Cheers Rick From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Wed Jun 11 14:24:33 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:24:33 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] MM2 References: <006b01c8cc00$5a243dd0$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Message-ID: <00f501c8cc09$8b0ff570$6400a8c0@your384jh9sv0b> Well, I was miss took-en, Leo sent me a link with the conformation email, and just glancing, he ain't such a rotten buggar afterall. The documentation is very well laid out and detailed. I can see having some fun with this. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Davis" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 5:18 PM Subject: [simpits-tech] MM2 > Heya Gene, > > My MM2 unit arrived in the mail today. > > Somehow I missed the fact that Leo is Canada here. Now, the rotten bugger > didn't include anything with this aside from my reciept. Not an > instruction > sheet or a hardware map, nada. > Guess maybe he wants me to fry it figuring out how it hooks up. (and his > hardware map page is down) > > I've been in the electronics repar business off and on for more than 35 > years and know my way around a soldering pencil, but I ain't touching > nothing till I know what I'm doing . > > Any help here appreciated. > > Cheers > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From rd at ns.sympatico.ca Thu Jun 12 06:51:51 2008 From: rd at ns.sympatico.ca (Rick Davis) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:51:51 -0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] BI MM2 Plasma References: Message-ID: <001801c8cc93$78112ef0$6900a8c0@rickc7cd1845e8> This morning after downloading the software and documentation for the MM2, I am very happy to say that I have accomplished (by using an ordinary double pole light switch -LOL) the ability to toggle the brakes in X-Plane. First try, and within about ten minutes. This is very, very cool. $39.99? I'm going to order a bag full of these puppies. Thanks for the original link Gene. I can see why you love these so much. Rick From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Jun 12 07:06:12 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] BI MM2 Plasma In-Reply-To: <001801c8cc93$78112ef0$6900a8c0@rickc7cd1845e8> References: <001801c8cc93$78112ef0$6900a8c0@rickc7cd1845e8> Message-ID: > This morning after downloading the software and documentation for the MM2, I > am very happy to say that I have accomplished (by using an ordinary double > pole light switch -LOL) the ability to toggle the brakes in X-Plane. First > try, and within about ten minutes. This is very, very cool. > > $39.99? I'm going to order a bag full of these puppies. > > Thanks for the original link Gene. I can see why you love these so much. > Rick, wait until you see what you can do with the Beta Innovations hardware in combination with Cockpit Master. Yer head'll asplode. :) As an update, I've got initial BI hardware & DirectInput device support added as of last night. Funny thing is, the DirectX system is convinced that my USB SpaceBall 5000 is a "first person action game device". Funny, all I ever used it for was manipulating models in Inventor. I'll have to try it with Crysis and see how it does. *laughs* BTW, if any of you do 3D modelling work and you don't have SpaceBall, you're working with one arm tied behind your back. The USB SpaceBall 5000's are available on eBay by the ton - you can download drivers from here: http://www.3dconnexion.com/support/downloads.php Auctions: http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=spaceball+5000&category0= You only want the USB version, not the serial. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Thu Jun 12 08:05:56 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:05:56 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] BI MM2 Plasma Message-ID: >BTW, if any of you do 3D modelling work and you don't have SpaceBall, >you're working with one arm tied behind your back. The USB SpaceBall >5000's are available on eBay by the ton - you can download drivers from >here: For how much? Sorry can't get to eBay here at work. I've always wanted one... From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Jun 12 08:06:17 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] BI MM2 Plasma In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> BTW, if any of you do 3D modelling work and you don't have SpaceBall, >> you're working with one arm tied behind your back. The USB SpaceBall >> 5000's are available on eBay by the ton - you can download drivers from >> here: > > For how much? Sorry can't get to eBay here at work. I've always wanted one... They're about $70 plus shipping. It's gotten to the point where I can't even use Inventor without one. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Thu Jun 12 08:20:05 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:20:05 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] BI MM2 Plasma Message-ID: <001c205d24c345efa60990ae39c80e54.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> >They're about $70 plus shipping. It's gotten to the point where I can't >even use Inventor without one. :) Well I just did the math and I'm gonna be making about $880 a month extra TDY pay while I'm down at Altus (leave this Sunday!), got some debt to pay down but maybe I can sneak this in, too. :D Brian From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Jun 12 08:52:08 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] BI MM2 Plasma In-Reply-To: <001c205d24c345efa60990ae39c80e54.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <001c205d24c345efa60990ae39c80e54.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: >> They're about $70 plus shipping. It's gotten to the point where I can't >> even use Inventor without one. :) > > Well I just did the math and I'm gonna be making about $880 a month > extra TDY pay while I'm down at Altus (leave this Sunday!), got some > debt to pay down but maybe I can sneak this in, too. :D You'll love it. You can even move the base to the other side so you can use it comfortably with either hand. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rhommel at mad.scientist.com Thu Jun 12 19:34:51 2008 From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com (Rob Hommel) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:34:51 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] arrested for simulated weapons Message-ID: <20080613023451.1101111581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Gee< I guess that even having a fake weapon can get you in trouble. Guess making fake iron munitions for the sim is out huhhh... BTW it's in Fla. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FL_FAKE_ROCKET_LAUNCHER_FLOL-?SITE=FLPET&SECTION=HOME can you still fly iron bombs in xplane? Keep "em Flying Rob Hommel -- See Exclusive Videos: 10th Annual Young Hollywood Awards http://www.hollywoodlife.net/younghollywoodawards2008/ From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Jun 12 20:06:23 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:06:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] arrested for simulated weapons In-Reply-To: <20080613023451.1101111581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080613023451.1101111581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: > Gee< I guess that even having a fake weapon can get you in trouble. Guess making fake iron munitions for the sim is out huhhh... > BTW it's in Fla. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FL_FAKE_ROCKET_LAUNCHER_FLOL-?SITE=FLPET&SECTION=HOME > Boy, they're gonna get really upset when I get around to that 1:1 model of the Hawk battery... g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From cyplesma at aol.com Fri Jun 13 02:38:06 2008 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:38:06 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] arrested for simulated weapons In-Reply-To: References: <20080613023451.1101111581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <8CA9B50515DE539-114C-156@FWM-M11.sysops.aol.com> I believe some government officials somewhere are trying to make fake guns, the ones with the orange or red tips, including fluorescent water guns illegal. -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:06 pm Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] arrested for simulated weapons > Gee< I guess that even having a fake weapon can get you in trouble. Guess making fake iron munitions for the sim is out huhhh... > BTW it's in Fla. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FL_FAKE_ROCKET_LAUNCHER_FLOL-?SITE=FLPET&SECTION=HOME > Boy, they're gonna get really upset when I get around to that 1:1 model of the Hawk battery... g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080613/d55c9cee/attachment.html From cyplesma at aol.com Fri Jun 13 08:00:56 2008 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:00:56 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] arrested for simulated weapons In-Reply-To: References: <20080613023451.1101111581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <8CA9B7D6AB530B0-13C-11DD@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com> normally I don't like sharing politically oriented items on a site like this, but since the fake weapons thing was mention I'd thought I'd share just ONE more reason why I don't mind wearing one of those tinfoil hats.? 8 )?? <--- please note the big smile, big smile (lethal weapon 2 (I think it was 2 maybe 3 reference). but anyway: here's a link about the California power utilities that actually already tried implementing their "so called" right to control your thermostat in your house. I understand they will do this eventually, they will just make it really expensive if you want to "OPT" out from their program. http://www.powermag.com/ArchivedArticleDisplay2.aspx?a=04-DEPT_SOP&y=2008&m=may again I do apologize for the politically nonsense, but I just had to share.? 8 ) big smile big smile -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:06 pm Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] arrested for simulated weapons > Gee< I guess that even having a fake weapon can get you in trouble. Guess making fake iron munitions for the sim is out huhhh... > BTW it's in Fla. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FL_FAKE_ROCKET_LAUNCHER_FLOL-?SITE=FLPET&SECTION=HOME > Boy, they're gonna get really upset when I get around to that 1:1 model of the Hawk battery... g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080613/9582c3ce/attachment-0001.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Jun 13 08:06:42 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] arrested for simulated weapons In-Reply-To: <8CA9B7D6AB530B0-13C-11DD@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com> References: <20080613023451.1101111581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <8CA9B7D6AB530B0-13C-11DD@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > but anyway: here's a link about the California power utilities that > actually already tried implementing their "so called" right to control > your thermostat in your house. There's a _reason_ they call it The People's Republic of California. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From chevello at rcn.com Fri Jun 13 19:38:13 2008 From: chevello at rcn.com (KD) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:38:13 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Space Balls and thermostats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48532F15.9010806@rcn.com> I'm old-school. One hand for the keyboard, one for the mouse. While the mouse is moving I can be typing a command alias. Some of the other guys have spaceballs, but all it seems to be able to do for them is change views rapidly. I tend to work from one view, and change when I create a new part. It can go pretty fast once you get in the zone. May the Schwartz be with you! We get Inventor 2009 in two weeks. I hope it is good again. 2008 sucks compared to INV11. Many years ago, a guy I worked with in SO Cal had his AC unit on a special setup with teh electric company where they could shut it off when they "needed" to. He got a special rate on electricity used on that circuit and it had its own meter. If it starts to look like they are going to go whole hog with the remote thermostat deal, I would probably run out and buy several manual thermostats. I don't know how they would police the thing though. Who is to say you couldn't place a table lamp next to the stat so it thinks the temp is higher than it is? Need a little extra AC? *click* Of course, once the stat says it is 140F in your house, they might just send the fire department :) K > > > >> BTW, if any of you do 3D modelling work and you don't have SpaceBall, >> you're working with one arm tied behind your back. The USB SpaceBall >> 5000's are available on eBay by the ton - you can download drivers from >> here: >> > > For how much? Sorry can't get to eBay here at work. I've always wanted one... > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:06:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: Gene Buckle > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] BI MM2 Plasma > To: Simulator Cockpit tech list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > >>> BTW, if any of you do 3D modelling work and you don't have SpaceBall, >>> you're working with one arm tied behind your back. The USB SpaceBall >>> 5000's are available on eBay by the ton - you can download drivers from >>> here: >>> >> For how much? Sorry can't get to eBay here at work. I've always wanted one... >> > > They're about $70 plus shipping. It's gotten to the point where I can't > even use Inventor without one. :) > > g. > > From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Jun 13 20:02:01 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Space Balls and thermostats In-Reply-To: <48532F15.9010806@rcn.com> References: <48532F15.9010806@rcn.com> Message-ID: > I'm old-school. One hand for the keyboard, one for the mouse. While the > mouse is moving I can be typing a command alias. Some of the other guys > have spaceballs, but all it seems to be able to do for them is change > views rapidly. I tend to work from one view, and change when I create a > new part. It can go pretty fast once you get in the zone. May the > Schwartz be with you! > I don't do much keyboard work in Inventor. AutoCAD for sure though. I don't use the SB in AutoCAD at all, but for rotating models for building assemblies, it kicks ass in Inventor. > We get Inventor 2009 in two weeks. I hope it is good again. 2008 sucks > compared to INV11. > Dunno. I'm still on v10 and will likely remain there. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 20:28:51 2008 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 58, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <972306.12956.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Does this mean we should stop taking our fake machine gens and grenade launchers to events for use with the Huey? We even painted over  the orange! :)  Quick, call the cops! There are fake weapons out there! :)   At the Military museum today a group was firing machine guns with blank ammo. The grenade launcher was cool,they had  explosives in the grass to simulate the grenade impact. Throw in the noise and smell of gun powder and it looked look convincingly real.   I know some one making fake AIM-9s for display with a sim.   Changing the subject, earier in the day today an 8 year old girl rode in my sim for the Flag Day parade. They pulled it with a real aircraft tug which looked nice. I was driving the truck with the Huey. Back at the museum they noticed the sim's canopy was to high to fit in the museum door just in the nick of time! He drops the canopy , pulls it on into to the museum and backs it into it's parking spot before driving the tug outside out of the way. I show up and start setting the sim up for use when I hear this liitle girls voice in the sim say, "Justin can I get out now?" The canopy was not quite shut all of the way and I can see her looking through the crack. I was shocked and asked what she was doing in there with the canopy down? The guys had forgot she was in there! :) She took it like a champ and was just thrilled that she got to be in the parade. What a day!   Justin -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   Gee< I guess that even having a fake weapon can get you in trouble. Guess making fake iron munitions for the sim is out huhhh... BTW it's in Fla. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FL_FAKE_ROCKET_LAUNCHER_FLOL-?SITE=FLPET&SECTION=HOME can you still fly iron bombs in xplane? Keep "em Flying Rob Hommel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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SeanG From sjimc at xtra.co.nz Sun Jun 15 02:21:16 2008 From: sjimc at xtra.co.nz (Jim and Liz) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:21:16 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Platform References: <972306.12956.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <0K2H006D8KSII200@smtp4.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <000a01c8cec9$2ad59d50$0a00000a@P2800A> SeanG ,,, OK now lets get that TA-4 MOVING !!! http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=160805948 I need the room !!! JimNZ (JimNZ slinks back into lurking mode) From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 12:06:37 2008 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Iran builds their 1st F-4 Phantom simulator Message-ID: <359380.17841.qm@web52006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It sound like they plan to keep the Phantom a while. Justin   Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:24:45 The Islamic Republic of Iran has manufactured a simulator for the F-4 Phantom fighter jet, a technology not developed by many states. A military commander of Iran's army announced Thursday that the simulator was built by Iranian experts over the past year. The project cost nearly one million dollars, IRIB reported. The commander said the technology offers many advantages for the country, including the easier training of pilots, a high index of security and a savings of foreign exchange. Iran is self-sufficient in building numerous defense systems and aircraft despite various sanctions imposed against the country over the past 30 years. In February 2008, Iranian technicians successfully developed the first home-made full flight simulator for gun ships, making the country the first one to achieve the technology in the Middle East. AR/JG/DT  Aviation Videos        http://HeritageAviationVideos.fly.to/   DC-8 Simulator www.dc8cockpit.catisp.com   Blue Angel Simulator www.PhantomSim.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080615/c4a269d9/attachment.html From aircop at comcast.net Sun Jun 15 14:01:54 2008 From: aircop at comcast.net (Ed Henderson) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:01:54 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Iran builds their 1st F-4 Phantom simulator In-Reply-To: <359380.17841.qm@web52006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <359380.17841.qm@web52006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48558342.2030907@comcast.net> I really hope that picture does not represent what the "experts" built for the F-4 jocks... otherwise they will be getting a Bell Jet Ranger transition... LoL ;-) Ed Justin Messenger wrote: > > It sound like they plan to keep the Phantom a while. > > Justin > > > > > Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:24:45 > > *The Islamic Republic of Iran has manufactured a simulator for the F-4 > Phantom fighter jet, a technology not developed by many states. * > > A military commander of Iran's army announced Thursday that the > simulator was built by Iranian experts over the past year. > > The project cost nearly one million dollars, IRIB reported. > > The commander said the technology offers many advantages for the > country, including the easier training of pilots, a high index of > security and a savings of foreign exchange. > > Iran is self-sufficient in building numerous defense systems and > aircraft despite various sanctions imposed against the country over > the past 30 years. > > In February 2008, Iranian technicians successfully developed the first > home-made full flight simulator for gun ships, making the country the > first one to achieve the technology in the Middle East. > > AR/JG/DT > > > > Aviation Videos > http://HeritageAviationVideos.fly.to/ > > > *DC-8 Simulator* > www.dc8cockpit.catisp.com > > *Blue Angel Simulator* > www.PhantomSim.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080615/baa66ab3/attachment-0001.html From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Mon Jun 16 00:44:49 2008 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:44:49 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Platform In-Reply-To: <000a01c8cec9$2ad59d50$0a00000a@P2800A> References: <972306.12956.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <0K2H006D8KSII200@smtp4.clear.net.nz> <000a01c8cec9$2ad59d50$0a00000a@P2800A> Message-ID: <0K2J00FNGPIRDI00@smtp4.clear.net.nz> Awww Jim! If only I had the space, the money, the time....... ;-) Sean At 09:21 p.m. 15/06/2008, you wrote: >SeanG ,,, OK now lets get that TA-4 MOVING !!! > >http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=160805948 > >I need the room !!! > >JimNZ >(JimNZ slinks back into lurking mode) > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! From sjimc at xtra.co.nz Mon Jun 16 01:15:07 2008 From: sjimc at xtra.co.nz (Jim and Liz) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:15:07 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Platform References: <972306.12956.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com><0K2H006D8KSII200@smtp4.clear.net.nz><000a01c8cec9$2ad59d50$0a00000a@P2800A> <0K2J00FNGPIRDI00@smtp4.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <000801c8cf89$18281b90$0a00000a@P2800A> > If only I had the space, the money, the time....... ;-) Now THAT sounds familiar here too Sean. Still ya never know ,,, its going to be interesting to watch. Maybe I'm the only nut into motion :-) Haaaa,, I'm a sick man !! Jim NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Galbraith" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Platform > Awww Jim! > If only I had the space, the money, the time....... ;-) > > Sean > > At 09:21 p.m. 15/06/2008, you wrote: >>SeanG ,,, OK now lets get that TA-4 MOVING !!! >> >>http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=160805948 >> >>I need the room !!! >> >>JimNZ >>(JimNZ slinks back into lurking mode) >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Simpits-tech mailing list >>Simpits-tech at simpits.org >>http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >>To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >>above page. Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From cyplesma at aol.com Mon Jun 16 09:56:30 2008 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:56:30 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Platform In-Reply-To: <000801c8cf89$18281b90$0a00000a@P2800A> References: <972306.12956.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com><0K2H006D8KSII200@smtp4.clear.net.nz><000a01c8cec9$2ad59d50$0a00000a@P2800A> <0K2J00FNGPIRDI00@smtp4.clear.net.nz> <000801c8cf89$18281b90$0a00000a@P2800A> Message-ID: <8CA9DE90F5562B9-E20-C6C@webmail-de01.sysops.aol.com> > If only I had the space, the money, the time....... ;-) Now THAT sounds familiar here too Sean. Still ya never know ,,, its going to be interesting to watch. Maybe I'm the only nut into motion :-) Haaaa,, I'm a sick man !! Jim NZ No your not the only nut into motion. 8 ) I still (in my spare time) work on drawings to do a full 3 axis continuous 360 degree cockpit. With today's tech at hand it can be done. Just make sure you display lot's of signs to warn people to stay seated in the sim till it stops. not too mention rig up an emergency stop bar that doesn't put the passenger in danger of being pinched. not to mention probably 12 other similiar safety features. -----Original Message----- From: Jim and Liz To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 4:15 am Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Platform > If only I had the space, the money, the time....... ;-) Now THAT sounds familiar here too Sean. Still ya never know ,,, its going to be interesting to watch. Maybe I'm the only nut into motion :-) Haaaa,, I'm a sick man !! Jim NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Galbraith" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Platform > Awww Jim! > If only I had the space, the money, the time....... ;-) > > Sean > > At 09:21 p.m. 15/06/2008, you wrote: >>SeanG ,,, OK now lets get that TA-4 MOVING !!! >> >>http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=160805948 >> >>I need the room !!! >> >>JimNZ >>(JimNZ slinks back into lurking mode) >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Simpits-tech mailing list >>Simpits-tech at simpits.org >>http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >>To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >>above page. Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080616/47ba38bd/attachment.html From idekkers at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 11:25:21 2008 From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:25:21 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] anyone for a 787 pit ? Message-ID: <39e5de8d0806161125q3d1b70p6e4d9166dbd9a875@mail.gmail.com> http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flightblogger/2008/06/fours-front-office.html Ido -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080616/dcd8e31b/attachment.html From sjimc at xtra.co.nz Mon Jun 16 16:33:40 2008 From: sjimc at xtra.co.nz (Jim and Liz) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:33:40 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Platform References: <972306.12956.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com><0K2H006D8KSII200@smtp4.clear.net.nz><000a01c8cec9$2ad59d50$0a00000a@P2800A> <0K2J00FNGPIRDI00@smtp4.clear.net.nz><000801c8cf89$18281b90$0a00000a@P2800A> <8CA9DE90F5562B9-E20-C6C@webmail-de01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004701c8d009$69378b30$0a00000a@P2800A> Yea, I agree ,, big undertaking though ,, 3 axis's at 360 degrees. What I found out though was, by the time I have quarter built it, available technology had moved on and this would have made it easier. :-( The safety side of things would be a nightmare if you were to "rent" it out though. The mind boggle at that one. Thousands of beurocrats waiting to jump !!! Jim NZ No your not the only nut into motion. 8 ) I still (in my spare time) work on drawings to do a full 3 axis continuous 360 degree cockpit. With today's tech at hand it can be done. Just make sure you display lot's of signs to warn people to stay seated in the sim till it stops. not too mention rig up an emergency stop bar that doesn't put the passenger in danger of being pinched. not to mention probably 12 other similiar safety features. ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080616/ba15913c/attachment.html From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 21:49:29 2008 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] BI MM2 Plasma In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <389350.74311.qm@web52005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I use the MM2 for my F-4 sim, and used the older Plasma in the DC-8 cockpit. Justin   ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:51 AM From: "Rick Davis" <rd at ns.sympatico.ca> To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" <simpits-tech at simpits.org> This morning after downloading the software and documentation for the MM2, I am very happy to say that I have accomplished (by using an ordinary double pole light switch -LOL) the ability to toggle the brakes in X-Plane. First try, and within about ten minutes. This is very, very cool. $39.99? I'm going to order a bag full of these puppies. Thanks for the original link Gene. I can see why you love these so much. Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080619/52cfbc47/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Jun 20 06:36:43 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 06:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] new production gallery up... Message-ID: http://www.simpits.com/Production_Galleries/single_seat_fighter_p3 g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Fri Jun 20 15:05:27 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:05:27 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] new production gallery up... Message-ID: <1c8390964fa345f0b21e6bfbaedbb8d3.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Looks good, g! But what's with the pictures of the pen? Brian >------- Original Message ------- >From : Gene Buckle[mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com] >Sent : 6/20/2008 9:36:43 AM >To : simpits-tech at simpits.org >Cc : >Subject : RE: [simpits-tech] new production gallery up... > > http://www.simpits.com/Production_Galleries/single_seat_fighter_p3 g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Jun 20 15:34:34 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] new production gallery up... In-Reply-To: <1c8390964fa345f0b21e6bfbaedbb8d3.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <1c8390964fa345f0b21e6bfbaedbb8d3.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > But what's with the pictures of the pen? > Those pictures were to show the guys on the ShopBot forum the trick I found to capping the pen in the pen holder. the original Sharpie cap won't fit while it's in the brass mount. The pen is what I plotted the drawings seen in the other images with. The picture of the tiny brass gadget is of a vinyl cutter that I can use in the 'bot. I'll now be able to do all the fuselage lettering for the F-15 without having to create complex paint masks. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Fri Jun 20 18:37:20 2008 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:37:20 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] new production gallery up... Message-ID: Vinyl lettering, you say? ;) I'm telling ya, Gene, between stencils and vinyl there might be a lucrative market for ya in the military vehicle restoration world. There aren't too many places to pick from... Brian From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri Jun 20 18:58:40 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] new production gallery up... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Vinyl lettering, you say? ;) > > I'm telling ya, Gene, between stencils and vinyl > there might be a lucrative market for ya in the > military vehicle restoration world. There aren't too > many places to pick from... > Hehe. It'd be kinda fun to do tank lettering. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Sat Jun 21 03:50:39 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:50:39 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] new production gallery up... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Brian Sikkema wrote: > Vinyl lettering, you say? ;) > > I'm telling ya, Gene, between stencils and vinyl > there might be a lucrative market for ya in the > military vehicle restoration world. There aren't too > many places to pick from... Same here in the UK. Many vinyl guys charge a huge amount for what seems like easy work. I was lucky enough to find a really good guy here (he did my sea hawk cockpit) and have managed to find him a lot of work with other aircraft and vehicle owners. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Sat Jun 21 07:15:01 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 07:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] new production gallery up... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> Vinyl lettering, you say? ;) >> >> I'm telling ya, Gene, between stencils and vinyl >> there might be a lucrative market for ya in the >> military vehicle restoration world. There aren't too >> many places to pick from... > > Same here in the UK. Many vinyl guys charge a huge amount for what seems > like easy work. I was lucky enough to find a really good guy here (he did > my sea hawk cockpit) and have managed to find him a lot of work with other > aircraft and vehicle owners. > It may be just a case of "well I've got to pay off this gabillion dollar Roland vinyl cutting monstrosity somehow". I'll order some black vinyl next week and we'll see how it comes out. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 20:55:25 2008 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] A new Air Force One project Message-ID: <800886.50769.qm@web52009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello, ?we are taking the front 50 feet of 727 N679MG? and we are converting it to look like a 707 Air Force One. The cockpit will eventually be made functional as a sim before going on a tour of most of the US Presidential Libraries. ? If you have or know of any 707 cockpit parts please let me know, we can trade?you excellent condition 727 parts?or we?are willing to purchase. ? In particular I?am looking for?3 items, throttle quadrant, glare shield, the engine panel that is placed between the pilots. ? A 707 has already been converted and some?pics of it may be seen here to give you an idea of what we are doing, http://picasaweb.google.com/jimwarlick/JIMWARLICKAIRFORCEONE ? Regards, Justin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080627/ee4b4bee/attachment-0001.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Jun 29 13:47:56 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] A Good Thing(tm)! Message-ID: You guys are gonna start throwing sh*t at me before this is over.... *ahem* Some of you know who Martha Stewart is and some of you only THINK you know who Martha Stewart is. I can now say with a straight face that I have an _exclusive_ topless photo of Martha Stewart. Behold! http://www.f15sim.com/images/ms_topless.jpg Ok, now that you've spit coffee, tea, whatever all over monitor, just click the damn link. :) For those of you that only _thought_ you knew who Martha Stewart was, let me give you a little background. It all started a few years ago when I drew three lines on a scrap of paper, handed it to Rob and said, "We need to build this." The result of those three lines can be seen at the end of this page: http://www.f15sim.com/misc/misc01.html At one point a comment was made and one of exclaimed, "Who do you think I am? Martha F*cking Stewart?" Thus the roll-around electronics bench was named. Last week came time to give ole Martha a total facelift. Here's the results of that work. (which by the way was done 90% by Rob. I just wandered around aimlessly and complained about various things) http://www.f15sim.com/images/ms_newtop.jpg http://www.f15sim.com/images/ms_newtop2.jpg http://www.f15sim.com/images/ms_lower_shelf.jpg http://www.f15sim.com/images/ms_makeover1.jpg http://www.f15sim.com/images/ms_makeover2.jpg http://www.f15sim.com/images/ms_makeover3.jpg http://www.f15sim.com/images/ms_makeover4.jpg A new wire spool rack will be mounted on the back as well as a new power strip system. Thanks Rob! :) (and yes, this was all JUST so I could make a search engine go nuts with "Martha Stewart Topless" *Maniacal Laughter*) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 29 16:25:39 2008 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:25:39 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] A Good Thing(tm)! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do you really think there's many a folk googling "Martha Stweart Topless"? Now, if you named it "Martha Stewart Headless" you might get some hits. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:48 PM To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] A Good Thing(tm)! You guys are gonna start throwing sh*t at me before this is over.... *ahem* Some of you know who Martha Stewart is and some of you only THINK you know who Martha Stewart is. I can now say with a straight face that I have an _exclusive_ topless photo of Martha Stewart. Behold! http://www.f15sim.com/images/ms_topless.jpg Ok, now that you've spit coffee, tea, whatever all over monitor, just click the damn link. :) For those of you that only _thought_ you knew who Martha Stewart was, let me give you a little background. It all started a few years ago when I drew three lines on a scrap of paper, handed it to Rob and said, "We need to build this." The result of those three lines can be seen at the end of this page: http://www.f15sim.com/misc/misc01.html At one point a comment was made and one of exclaimed, "Who do you think I am? Martha F*cking Stewart?" Thus the roll-around electronics bench was named. Last week came time to give ole Martha a total facelift. Here's the results of that work. (which by the way was done 90% by Rob. I just wandered around aimlessly and complained about various things) http://www.f15sim.com/images/ms_newtop.jpg http://www.f15sim.com/images/ms_newtop2.jpg http://www.f15sim.com/images/ms_lower_shelf.jpg http://www.f15sim.com/images/ms_makeover1.jpg http://www.f15sim.com/images/ms_makeover2.jpg http://www.f15sim.com/images/ms_makeover3.jpg http://www.f15sim.com/images/ms_makeover4.jpg A new wire spool rack will be mounted on the back as well as a new power strip system. Thanks Rob! :) (and yes, this was all JUST so I could make a search engine go nuts with "Martha Stewart Topless" *Maniacal Laughter*) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Jun 29 17:47:31 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] A Good Thing(tm)! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Do you really think there's many a folk googling "Martha Stweart Topless"? > Now, if you named it "Martha Stewart Headless" you might get some hits. > You'd be amazed at what I've got in my referrer logs. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From allendc at qwest.net Sun Jun 29 18:03:18 2008 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:03:18 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] A Good Thing(tm)! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080630010424.7E0D71A9982@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> At 05:47 PM 6/29/2008 -0700, you wrote: > > Do you really think there's many a folk googling "Martha Stweart Topless"? > > Now, if you named it "Martha Stewart Headless" you might get some hits. > > >You'd be amazed at what I've got in my referrer logs. :) So after you smoke you log your experience???? Interesting idea, now I understand how you afford all the man land toys David >g. > >-- >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ NOD32 3225 (20080629) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Jun 29 20:04:33 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] A Good Thing(tm)! In-Reply-To: <20080630010424.7E0D71A9982@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> References: <20080630010424.7E0D71A9982@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: > At 05:47 PM 6/29/2008 -0700, you wrote: >>> Do you really think there's many a folk googling "Martha Stweart Topless"? >>> Now, if you named it "Martha Stewart Headless" you might get some hits. >>> >> You'd be amazed at what I've got in my referrer logs. :) > > So after you smoke you log your experience???? > > Interesting idea, now I understand how you afford all the man land toys > I actually had to stop and think to figure out the whole "referrer == reefer" thing. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon Jun 30 05:41:22 2008 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:41:22 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] A Good Thing(tm)! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Jun 2008, Joseph Fagner wrote: > Do you really think there's many a folk googling "Martha Stweart Topless"? > Now, if you named it "Martha Stewart Headless" you might get some hits. > I'm glad it wasn't just me that thought that.... -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From adm.design at verizon.net Mon Jun 30 08:21:08 2008 From: adm.design at verizon.net (Alan D. Mazurka) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:21:08 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] A Good Thing(tm)! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0K3A00GZ080TTAS2@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> At 07:25 PM 6/29/2008, you wrote: >I can now say with a straight face that I have an _exclusive_ topless >photo of Martha Stewart. ...wasn't that the SS Martha Stewart?? - adm - ---------- Alan D. Mazurka adm.design at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20080630/41aa0f7a/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Jun 30 08:26:42 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] A Good Thing(tm)! In-Reply-To: <0K3A00GZ080TTAS2@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0K3A00GZ080TTAS2@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Alan D. Mazurka wrote: > At 07:25 PM 6/29/2008, you wrote: > >> I can now say with a straight face that I have an _exclusive_ topless >> photo of Martha Stewart. > > ...wasn't that the SS Martha Stewart?? > Yep! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Jun 30 09:15:30 2008 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] milestones... Message-ID: Yesterday marked another milestone in the development of the cockpit interface software I'm working on. The software now not only takes input data from the BI hardware, but now also works with DirectX input devices. Here's an example of the Lua code I use to handle the step-up and step-down of the COMM radios in FlightGear: -- Testing FREQ_UP and FREQ_DOWN buttons Com1Freq = CIM:GetStringValue("COM1_FRQ") if CIM:GetInput("FREQ_DOWN") == true then repeat -- do nothing until CIM:GetInput("FREQ_DOWN") == false Com1Freq = Com1Freq - .250 CIM:SetStringValue("COM1_FRQ", Com1Freq) CIM:SetValue(0, "FREQ_DOWN - " .. Com1Freq) return end if CIM:GetInput("FREQ_UP") == true then repeat -- do nothing until CIM:GetInput("FREQ_UP") == false Com1Freq = Com1Freq + .250 CIM:SetStringValue("COM1_FRQ", Com1Freq) CIM:SetValue(0, "FREQ_UP - " .. Com1Freq) return end This basically checks to see if there has been an input on one of the buttons matching the "FREQ_UP" or "FREQ_DOWN" definitions. If it sees that one has been pressed, it will sit there and wait until the button is released and then perform the needed action. The wait-until-release is done because the script executes in its own thread and would cause a flurry of up or down frequency changes if it didn't wait for the button to be released. Full end-to-end communication with FlightGear (http://www.flightgear.org) is now fully operational. This means that you can pull data from FlightGear as well as change things within FlightGear. I've done some initial work with MSFS 10 using version 4 of Peter Dowson's FSUIPC. I need to spend more time on that this week to get it nailed down the rest of the way. I'll also take a peek at what it will take to integrate SimConnect. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.