From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Sat Sep 1 04:22:45 2007 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 23:22:45 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Visuals questions... Message-ID: <0JNO00LYLSZ7IO00@smtp5.clear.net.nz> Gidday team, I am still working away on my TA-4 Skyhawk sim, although it appears that it may take till the next ice age before it's done... Anyway, I have been thinking of the options for visual systems, from the basic; single front/back projected, through to complex curved screen, multi-projector setups. I am quite keen on more than a single view setup, but the operating costs of 3 projectors, for a home cockpit, are a bit high (and I am cheap...). I have been looking at the idea of 3 large CRT's running through a Matrox Triplehead2go, with suitably sized fresnel lenses in front, aiming to produce a reasonably seamless image. Has anyone had experience with this sort of setup? I have seen plenty of sims using a single large CRT + Fresnel, but none using 3. As I see it, the challenges are finding the right size lens, plus matching the perceived images on the 3 screens. I'd be interested in thoughts, ideas and suggestions.... SeanG From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Sat Sep 1 10:25:29 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:25:29 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Visuals questions... In-Reply-To: <0JNO00LYLSZ7IO00@smtp5.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Sep 2007, Sean Galbraith wrote: > Gidday team, > > I am still working away on my TA-4 Skyhawk sim, although it appears > that it may take till the next ice age before it's done... > Anyway, I have been thinking of the options for visual systems, from > the basic; single front/back projected, through to complex curved > screen, multi-projector setups. I am quite keen on more than a > single view setup, but the operating costs of 3 projectors, for a > home cockpit, are a bit high (and I am cheap...). I have been > looking at the idea of 3 large CRT's running through a Matrox > Triplehead2go, with suitably sized fresnel lenses in front, aiming to > produce a reasonably seamless image. > Has anyone had experience with this sort of setup? I have seen > plenty of sims using a single large CRT + Fresnel, but none using 3. > As I see it, the challenges are finding the right size lens, plus > matching the perceived images on the 3 screens. > I'd be interested in thoughts, ideas and suggestions.... I'm using a triplehead for my front view and a dualhead for each side view - requiring 3 PC's. Not likely to go the fresnel route on this job, what we've got so far works ok for us. Initial setup is here: http://www.flightlab.liv.ac.uk/~roy/triplehead/ I use a dual-head video card (soon to be replaced with a matrox dualhead) for the J41 sim and that works ok too - I did remove the LCD's from their caes to reduce the gap between them as much as possible. As seen here: http://www.jetstream-club.org/cockpit.jpg hth! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 1 10:42:36 2007 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:42:36 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Visuals questions... In-Reply-To: References: <0JNO00LYLSZ7IO00@smtp5.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <005e01c7ecbf$7c92c290$1900a8c0@flightsystems> Damn Roy, you have your own small Nuclear Reactor to power all that? Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Roy Coates Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 12:25 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Visuals questions... On Sat, 1 Sep 2007, Sean Galbraith wrote: > Gidday team, > > I am still working away on my TA-4 Skyhawk sim, although it appears > that it may take till the next ice age before it's done... > Anyway, I have been thinking of the options for visual systems, from > the basic; single front/back projected, through to complex curved > screen, multi-projector setups. I am quite keen on more than a > single view setup, but the operating costs of 3 projectors, for a > home cockpit, are a bit high (and I am cheap...). I have been > looking at the idea of 3 large CRT's running through a Matrox > Triplehead2go, with suitably sized fresnel lenses in front, aiming to > produce a reasonably seamless image. > Has anyone had experience with this sort of setup? I have seen > plenty of sims using a single large CRT + Fresnel, but none using 3. > As I see it, the challenges are finding the right size lens, plus > matching the perceived images on the 3 screens. > I'd be interested in thoughts, ideas and suggestions.... I'm using a triplehead for my front view and a dualhead for each side view - requiring 3 PC's. Not likely to go the fresnel route on this job, what we've got so far works ok for us. Initial setup is here: http://www.flightlab.liv.ac.uk/~roy/triplehead/ I use a dual-head video card (soon to be replaced with a matrox dualhead) for the J41 sim and that works ok too - I did remove the LCD's from their caes to reduce the gap between them as much as possible. As seen here: http://www.jetstream-club.org/cockpit.jpg hth! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Sun Sep 2 23:58:53 2007 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:58:53 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Visuals questions... In-Reply-To: References: <0JNO00LYLSZ7IO00@smtp5.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <0JNS0064A667HY30@smtp5.clear.net.nz> > >I'm using a triplehead for my front view and a dualhead for each side view >- requiring 3 PC's. Not likely to go the fresnel route on this job, what >we've got so far works ok for us. Initial setup is here: >http://www.flightlab.liv.ac.uk/~roy/triplehead/ Wow, that's pretty cool :) >I use a dual-head video card (soon to be replaced with a matrox dualhead) >for the J41 sim and that works ok too - I did remove the LCD's from their >caes to reduce the gap between them as much as possible. >As seen here: http://www.jetstream-club.org/cockpit.jpg I am looking for a bigger perceived view, hence the thoughts towards fresnel lenses to make that happen. I was also thinking TH2GO + folded mirrors + rear projection to get the image up close, so bigger perception, but really don't know. At this stage the sim doesn't have a home, so I really don't know what space I'm going to have available. Ta SeanG From rhommel at mad.scientist.com Mon Sep 3 00:26:32 2007 From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com (Rob Hommel) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 02:26:32 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Visuals questions... Message-ID: <20070903072633.5762016427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Sean: contact me off list,to discuss your project. I will need to draw you some pretty pictures to explain things to you and discuss some of the hurdles. This is how the big boys do things. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel I am looking for a bigger perceived view, hence the thoughts towards fresnel lenses to make that happen. I was also thinking TH2GO + folded mirrors + rear projection to get the image up close, so bigger perception, but really don't know. At this stage the sim doesn't have a home, so I really don't know what space I'm going to have available. Ta SeanG _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -- We've Got Your Name @ www.mail.com!!! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon Sep 3 00:30:52 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:30:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Visuals questions... In-Reply-To: <005e01c7ecbf$7c92c290$1900a8c0@flightsystems> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Sep 2007, Joseph Fagner wrote: > Damn Roy, you have your own small Nuclear Reactor to power all that? > Heh! :-) -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Mon Sep 3 02:57:22 2007 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:57:22 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Visuals questions... In-Reply-To: <20070903072633.5762016427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070903072633.5762016427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <0JNS008HJECSKY10@smtp3.clear.net.nz> At 07:26 p.m. 3/09/2007, you wrote: >Sean: > >contact me off list,to discuss your project. I will need to draw you >some pretty pictures to explain things to you and discuss some of the hurdles. > > This is how the big boys do things. > >Keep 'em Flying >Rob Hommel Gidday Rob, I've looked at some of the "way the big boys do it" with the collimating mirror for panoramic, or beam splitter/mirror setups. (I have been lucky enough to look at the visual systems on a good number of Thales and CAE full motion sims, as well as an earlier Link IIRC fixed base MB339CB sim) I'm just looking for some options, as I said earlier, I don't have a home for my sim as yet, so it's all a bit academic, but a fun subject to think up solutions for :) SeanG From jmiguez at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 3 04:45:48 2007 From: jmiguez at bellsouth.net (John Miguez) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 06:45:48 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Visuals questions... In-Reply-To: <0JNO00LYLSZ7IO00@smtp5.clear.net.nz> References: <0JNO00LYLSZ7IO00@smtp5.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <46DBF3EC.50905@bellsouth.net> I use the TH2Go with three 19" Samsung LCDs and love the set up. That and TrackIR make it almost real. John Sean Galbraith wrote: >
Gidday team, > > I am still working away on my TA-4 Skyhawk sim, although it appears > that it may take till the next ice age before it's done... > Anyway, I have been thinking of the options for visual systems, from > the basic; single front/back projected, through to complex curved > screen, multi-projector setups. I am quite keen on more than a single > view setup, but the operating costs of 3 projectors, for a home > cockpit, are a bit high (and I am cheap...). I have been looking at > the idea of 3 large CRT's running through a Matrox Triplehead2go, with > suitably sized fresnel lenses in front, aiming to produce a reasonably > seamless image. > Has anyone had experience with this sort of setup? I have seen plenty > of sims using a single large CRT + Fresnel, but none using 3. > As I see it, the challenges are finding the right size lens, plus > matching the perceived images on the 3 screens. > I'd be interested in thoughts, ideas and suggestions.... > > SeanG > > >
From allendc at qwest.net Mon Sep 3 08:14:36 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:14:36 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] FS back projection screen from real CAE visual system In-Reply-To: <46DBF3EC.50905@bellsouth.net> References: <0JNO00LYLSZ7IO00@smtp5.clear.net.nz> <46DBF3EC.50905@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <20070903151440.103AB53BD38@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> From AVSim: The Hangar Swap Meet topic #1370 FS back projection screen from real CAE visual system http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=174&topic_id=1370&mesg_id=1370&page= David www737FlightSim.com From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Mon Sep 3 11:47:24 2007 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 06:47:24 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] FS back projection screen from real CAE visual system In-Reply-To: <20070903151440.103AB53BD38@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> References: <0JNO00LYLSZ7IO00@smtp5.clear.net.nz> <46DBF3EC.50905@bellsouth.net> <20070903151440.103AB53BD38@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <0JNT005212W8N540@smtp3.clear.net.nz> At 03:14 a.m. 4/09/2007, you wrote: > From AVSim: The Hangar Swap Meet topic #1370 > >FS back projection screen from real CAE visual system > >http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=174&topic_id=1370&mesg_id=1370&page= That's kinda cool, but not much use with out the mylar collimating mirror :) Never seen one on the open market before SeanG From allendc at qwest.net Mon Sep 3 12:18:08 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 13:18:08 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] FS back projection screen from real CAE visual system In-Reply-To: <0JNT005212W8N540@smtp3.clear.net.nz> References: <0JNO00LYLSZ7IO00@smtp5.clear.net.nz> <46DBF3EC.50905@bellsouth.net> <20070903151440.103AB53BD38@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> <0JNT005212W8N540@smtp3.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <20070903191814.D84DB621CC4@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> I wish it was for sale in the USA, I would buy just to say it was a star wars prop LOL David www.737FlightSim.com At 06:47 AM 9/4/2007 +1200, you wrote: >At 03:14 a.m. 4/09/2007, you wrote: > > From AVSim: The Hangar Swap Meet topic #1370 > > > >FS back projection screen from real CAE visual system > > > >http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=174&topic_id > =1370&mesg_id=1370&page= > >That's kinda cool, but not much use with out the mylar collimating >mirror :) Never seen one on the open market before > >SeanG > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ NOD32 2500 (20070903) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From super_ka200 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 3 12:45:23 2007 From: super_ka200 at hotmail.com (Robert St-Denis) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:45:23 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] FS back projection screen from real CAE visual system Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070903/51bec5ca/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Skyhawk_Fresnell.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 2712 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070903/51bec5ca/attachment.pdf From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon Sep 3 15:49:28 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 23:49:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Size of real instruments Message-ID: Daft question - has anyone got a real 'standard' size instrument to hand? What I want to know is whats the diameter of the actual face of a typical instrument like an altimeter or vsi ? I'm guessing a little under 3" ?? Thanks! Roy. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From allendc at qwest.net Mon Sep 3 16:03:11 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:03:11 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Size of real instruments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070903230316.F168722DCEF@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Roy Have a look at this web site http://www.mspclamps.com/clamps/09.html David www.737FlightSim.com At 11:49 PM 9/3/2007 +0100, you wrote: >Daft question - has anyone got a real 'standard' size instrument to hand? > >What I want to know is whats the diameter of the actual face of a typical >instrument like an altimeter or vsi ? I'm guessing a little under 3" ?? > >Thanks! > >Roy. > > > >-- > >Roy Coates. >Dept of Engineering. >Liverpool University. >E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk >Tel: 0151 794 4862 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ NOD32 2501 (20070903) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From allendc at qwest.net Mon Sep 3 16:05:10 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:05:10 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Size of real instruments Message-ID: <20070903230513.335C822DD2C@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Roy Corrected link Have a look at this web site http://www.mspclamps.com/cases/04.html David www.737FlightSim.com At 11:49 PM 9/3/2007 +0100, you wrote: >Daft question - has anyone got a real 'standard' size instrument to hand? > >What I want to know is whats the diameter of the actual face of a typical >instrument like an altimeter or vsi ? I'm guessing a little under 3" ?? > >Thanks! > >Roy. > > > >-- > >Roy Coates. >Dept of Engineering. >Liverpool University. >E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk >Tel: 0151 794 4862 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ NOD32 2501 (20070903) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon Sep 3 16:07:12 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 00:07:12 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Size of real instruments In-Reply-To: <20070903230513.335C822DD2C@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, David C. Allen wrote: > Roy > > Corrected link Have a look at this web site > > http://www.mspclamps.com/cases/04.html > oh bugger - they're all different bloody sizes! Hah... at least I can't get my emulator wrong now!! Thanks for the link David - v.useful :-) -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From super_ka200 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 5 14:47:38 2007 From: super_ka200 at hotmail.com (Robert St-Denis) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:47:38 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] Jet Line 2 or FPI-900 Series Pilot Guide Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070905/cd95eca2/attachment.html From chevello at rcn.com Wed Sep 5 16:37:37 2007 From: chevello at rcn.com (KD) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:37:37 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] 3D printer worth it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46DF3DC1.1060500@rcn.com> Hey folks, I've been considering for a while whether or not to buy a 3D printer. Specifically the ZCorp one here: http://www.zcorp.com/products/printersdetail.asp?ID=1 It's single color, but I think it's pretty decent for startup. It can do any one color that you put in it apparently, so runs of certain colored parts would be doable. Eventually if I can swing it I would end up with one of the full color ones. They are pretty cool. I'm looking at several different options and ways to do this, but I'm asking around, and finding out how much interest there is out there in the sim community for bits and parts made with the thing. So, here are my questions for you guys: What parts would you be interested in seeing produced and what price range would you even consider for whatever it is? Is $10 too much for a knob or small part you need? $20? $30? Thinking of knobs and handles, different bezels maybe, could even do things like gauge pointers for fairly low cost especially in the "introductory period." :) Parts and assemblies can get pretty complicated, and prices would adjust accordingly, but I'm thinking that cost-wise it may be more efficient for a lot of the items in the sim pits to do them this way rather than have things machined by a commercial machine shop. I'll probably offer a 3D modeling service too, so if you can't do that part yourself, I would be able to do it from 2D or sketches Anyways, right now I am gaging interest in a few different areas, trying to get a feel for how long it might take to get rolling with the thing. There are a few people bugging me to go for it since they want things done, but I think they are thinking Monster Garage style freebies. Thanks for your input. KeithD From geoff at mechpit.com Wed Sep 5 16:47:52 2007 From: geoff at mechpit.com (geoff at mechpit.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:47:52 -0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] 3D printer worth it? Message-ID: I would lok at the actual output from that Z printer. They used to let you get one object for free. Think of compressed plastic granules. Very open texture, no real strength. The printer is designed for mock-ups and that is about all. Geoff -----Original Message----- From: KD Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 4:37 PM To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] 3D printer worth it? Hey folks, I've been considering for a while whether or not to buy a 3D printer. Specifically the ZCorp one here: http://www.zcorp.com/products/printersdetail.asp?ID=1 It's single color, but I think it's pretty decent for startup. It can do any one color that you put in it apparently, so runs of certain colored parts would be doable. Eventually if I can swing it I would end up with one of the full color ones. They are pretty cool. I'm looking at several different options and ways to do this, but I'm asking around, and finding out how much interest there is out there in the sim community for bits and parts made with the thing. So, here are my questions for you guys: What parts would you be interested in seeing produced and what price range would you even consider for whatever it is? Is $10 too much for a knob or small part you need? $20? $30? Thinking of knobs and handles, different bezels maybe, could even do things like gauge pointers for fairly low cost especially in the "introductory period." :) Parts and assemblies can get pretty complicated, and prices would adjust accordingly, but I'm thinking that cost-wise it may be more efficient for a lot of the items in the sim pits to do them this way rather than have things machined by a commercial machine shop. I'll probably offer a 3D modeling service too, so if you can't do that part yourself, I would be able to do it from 2D or sketches Anyways, right now I am gaging interest in a few different areas, trying to get a feel for how long it might take to get rolling with the thing. There are a few people bugging me to go for it since they want things done, but I think they are thinking Monster Garage style freebies. Thanks for your input. KeithD _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page Thanks! From allendc at qwest.net Wed Sep 5 17:22:27 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:22:27 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] 3D printer worth it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070906002235.F2A8122DD97@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Hi Keith A group of guys and myself here in Boise Idaho have looking at buying the 510. I have been to two classes put on by Z-Corp, one in Portland Oregon and the second in SLC Utah, and I was impressed with the quality of the output. The nice thing is that the power models can be impregnated with different binders, for different applications. Some binders allow you too use the model for metal casting. While other epoxy based binders allow you to machine, drill and tap holes. The 510 has made the operation almost 90% automatic, the de-powering has been a problem in an office environment, but the 510 solves that issue. I would spend some time talking with service bureaus and getting a first hand view of the pricing of the models. We were looking a providing architectural models for the architect's in the treasure valley. I was in Portland for a CNC trade show, and the Z-Corp was the best bang for the $$$, just my $0.02 worth. Are you looking at the Z-Corp 3D scanner? What software are you going to design the models with? David www.737FlightSim.com >-----Original Message----- >From: KD >Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 4:37 PM >To: simpits-tech at simpits.org >Subject: [simpits-tech] 3D printer worth it? > >Hey folks, > >I've been considering for a while whether or not to buy a 3D printer. >Specifically the ZCorp one here: >http://www.zcorp.com/products/printersdetail.asp?ID=1 It's single color, >but I think it's pretty decent for startup. It can do any one color that >you put in it apparently, so runs of certain colored parts would be >doable. Eventually if I can swing it I would end up with one of the full >color ones. They are pretty cool. > >I'm looking at several different options and ways to do this, but I'm >asking around, and finding out how much interest there is out there in >the sim community for bits and parts made with the thing. > >So, here are my questions for you guys: What parts would you be >interested in seeing produced and what price range would you even >consider for whatever it is? Is $10 too much for a knob or small part >you need? $20? $30? > >Thinking of knobs and handles, different bezels maybe, could even do >things like gauge pointers for fairly low cost especially in the >"introductory period." :) > >Parts and assemblies can get pretty complicated, and prices would adjust >accordingly, but I'm thinking that cost-wise it may be more efficient >for a lot of the items in the sim pits to do them this way rather than >have things machined by a commercial machine shop. I'll probably offer a >3D modeling service too, so if you can't do that part yourself, I would >be able to do it from 2D or sketches > >Anyways, right now I am gaging interest in a few different areas, trying >to get a feel for how long it might take to get rolling with the thing. >There are a few people bugging me to go for it since they want things >done, but I think they are thinking Monster Garage style freebies. > >Thanks for your input. > >KeithD > > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ NOD32 2507 (20070905) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Sep 5 18:26:33 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] 3D printer worth it? In-Reply-To: <46DF3DC1.1060500@rcn.com> References: <46DF3DC1.1060500@rcn.com> Message-ID: > > I've been considering for a while whether or not to buy a 3D printer. > Specifically the ZCorp one here: > http://www.zcorp.com/products/printersdetail.asp?ID=1 It's single color, > but I think it's pretty decent for startup. It can do any one color that > you put in it apparently, so runs of certain colored parts would be > doable. Eventually if I can swing it I would end up with one of the full > color ones. They are pretty cool. > Well Keith, it's nice to see that someone has finally become crazier than I am. Congrats! :) One very important thing you'll have to factor into your decision is the cost of your consumables. That will eventually dictate your per-unit cost. Another thing you might want to investigate is the structural strength of the material used. I would ask them for an example part made on one of their printers. When you get it, see what it takes to break it. Good luck! :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From super_ka200 at hotmail.com Sun Sep 9 00:06:21 2007 From: super_ka200 at hotmail.com (Robert St-Denis) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 07:06:21 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] GPS500 Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070909/12bfc215/attachment-0001.html From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Sun Sep 9 04:15:52 2007 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 23:15:52 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] GPS500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0JO300GG6M0B5U20@smtp3.clear.net.nz> Oh oh oh... pick me! I can answer this one! Gidday Robert :) I think the simplest way to get rid of the bezel would be to open fs9gps.cab, extract all the files to a temp folder. Modify all the bmp's which start with GPS500, make them black. Rename gps500.xml to a name of your choice like SKA200_GPS.xml ;-) Delete all the files which start with GPS295. Download the cabdir SDK from Microsoft: http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/e/5/fe55ede7-3818-40c4-8790-468a0d74798f/cabdir_sdk_setup.exe Turn the xml file, plus all the associated graphics into a cab file Copy it to either your own panel folder (easier to keep track of) or the main FS9 gauges folder. Edit your panl.cfg to point to your edited gauge. Voila! GPS without a bezel ;-) Or... come talk to me at work and I'll show you how. SeanG At 07:06 p.m. 9/09/2007, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >Does anyone know how to remove the bezel and buttons on the GPS 500 in FS9? > >I seems to have lost the link to the website about how to do it. > >I know it is just some numbers to be changed in the Panel.cfg and I >had tried but still doesnt work. > >Cheers > >Robert > > >---------- >Show Your Messenger Buddies >How You Really Feel >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.10/995 - Release Date: >8/09/2007 1:24 p.m. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070909/6da38a15/attachment.html From jmiguez at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 9 06:19:09 2007 From: jmiguez at bellsouth.net (John Miguez) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 08:19:09 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Size of real instruments In-Reply-To: <20070903230513.335C822DD2C@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> References: <20070903230513.335C822DD2C@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <46E3F2CD.9010706@bellsouth.net> I have a VVI. The ID of the bezel is 2.75". That is the glass OD. I also measure a Radar Altimeter. It is slightly smaller. It it measured 2 21/32". I would go with theVVI as the standard. Let me know if you need anymore measurements. Also, Mike Powell's bood has measurements of different size gauges. John David C. Allen wrote: >
Roy > > Corrected link Have a look at this web site > > http://www.mspclamps.com/cases/04.html > > David > www.737FlightSim.com > > At 11:49 PM 9/3/2007 +0100, you wrote: > > >> Daft question - has anyone got a real 'standard' size instrument to >> hand? >> >> What I want to know is whats the diameter of the actual face of a >> typical >> instrument like an altimeter or vsi ? I'm guessing a little under >> 3" ?? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Roy. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Roy Coates. >> Dept of Engineering. >> Liverpool University. >> E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk >> Tel: 0151 794 4862 >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the >> Hobbs meter. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Simpits-tech mailing list >> Simpits-tech at simpits.org >> http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >> To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >> above page. Thanks! >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2501 (20070903) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com > > >
From chevello at rcn.com Sun Sep 9 10:32:17 2007 From: chevello at rcn.com (KD) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 13:32:17 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] 3D Printer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46E42E21.8000705@rcn.com> Thanks for the replies, guys. Gene, ever since we got that F-18 fuselage in at work I have been trying to figure out how to get it home. I think I have fallen int "Gene's Realm of Nutso" :) A few months ago we had a guy in with the Z-scanner. We had him put the dots on some of the interior panels and structure of our F-8 and scan it to see what he came up with. None of us were impressed. The resolution seemed very low, and the amount of work to fill in the shadows by hand after scanning was more than what we were interested in dealing with. We also had him do some of the outer shell along with one of the lumps on the side of the aircraft. That one came out OK since the surfaces involved were large and didn't have much curvature. So, for things like fuselages, car bodies maybe landscaping, things with low detail it would be OK, but we are dealing with cockpits so the detail needed is much higher. Anyways, for the printer, the cost of the materials is supposed to be around $4-$7 a cubic inch for a model, and it can supposedly produce fairly detailed parts in a reasonable time like a couple of hours. The different binders make it nice and there is even supposed to be a metal powder that can be heated in an oven (not sure what temp) and hardened up. I have handled a couple of the regular powder-binder made models, and they are reasonably sturdy. I don't think I would make a seatbelt buckle out of it, but for demonstrating a small gear train, or a static architectural model it should be fine. I was hoping to do knobs, some instrument bezels and probably some of the weirder more difficult to obtain handles that we find in the aircraft. I'm also looking to do something that gets me the heck out of where I work. I don't need to get rich, but it would be nice to commute 2 flights of stairs instead of 35 miles every morning. Software would most likely be Solidworks. Dassault and Z-corp are working together for the Cosmic Modelz thing, so I figure the software ought to play together nicely. I use Autodesk Inventor at work, but nothing plays nice with that as far as we can tell. I also have experience with Mechanical Desktop, 3ds Max, and a teeny bit with Rhino. Software shouldn't be a problem aside from financing it all. Right now that's the thing holding me up. The wife keeps saying "Just go get an SBA loan" but I have to know more about what I am doing before I do it. KeithD From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon Sep 10 00:37:15 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:37:15 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Size of real instruments In-Reply-To: <46E3F2CD.9010706@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Sep 2007, John Miguez wrote: > I have a VVI. The ID of the bezel is 2.75". That is the glass OD. I > also measure a Radar Altimeter. It is slightly smaller. It it measured > 2 21/32". I would go with theVVI as the standard. Let me know if you > need anymore measurements. Also, Mike Powell's bood has measurements of > different size gauges. > Many thanks John. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ccrowley at mccrowley.com Mon Sep 10 03:52:19 2007 From: ccrowley at mccrowley.com (Chris Crowley) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:52:19 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] 3D printer worth it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 20k is quite the start up cost. Are you sure you couldn't buy some knobs and then make molds? Cheap affordable. That is how they are done now. Its a neat device, but I personnaly couldn't justify the expense with the idea of selling knobs. VR, Chris Crowley -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:27 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] 3D printer worth it? > > I've been considering for a while whether or not to buy a 3D printer. > Specifically the ZCorp one here: > http://www.zcorp.com/products/printersdetail.asp?ID=1 It's single color, > but I think it's pretty decent for startup. It can do any one color that > you put in it apparently, so runs of certain colored parts would be > doable. Eventually if I can swing it I would end up with one of the full > color ones. They are pretty cool. > Well Keith, it's nice to see that someone has finally become crazier than I am. Congrats! :) One very important thing you'll have to factor into your decision is the cost of your consumables. That will eventually dictate your per-unit cost. Another thing you might want to investigate is the structural strength of the material used. I would ask them for an example part made on one of their printers. When you get it, see what it takes to break it. Good luck! :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From super_ka200 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 10 23:17:53 2007 From: super_ka200 at hotmail.com (Robert St-Denis) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:17:53 +0000 Subject: [simpits-tech] Size of real instruments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070910/5345769b/attachment.html From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue Sep 11 00:46:51 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:46:51 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Size of real instruments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, Robert St-Denis wrote: > Try this website, they have pretty much all size gauges. > > http://www.unitedinstrumentsinc.com/ > Thanks Robert - all useful stuff ! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From allendc at qwest.net Sun Sep 16 10:22:47 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:22:47 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] MSFS Visuals Message-ID: <20070916172259.B16A222DCD3@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Hello Anyone know what the Field of View (FOV) is in degrees for MSFS 9 or X with the zoom factor set to 1.0 Thanks David www.737FlightSim.com From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Sep 16 17:58:41 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... Message-ID: I am looking for pictures and/or diagrams of the layout boards used to construct wiring harnesses. Can someone either point me to a place to get them or put links up? Thanks all! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Sun Sep 16 18:48:29 2007 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:48:29 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... Message-ID: <2581e8b16c7443c5aa3ba03da3858d47.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Can you describe what you mean, Gene? I think I know what you're talking about... and I may be able to help you out. Just want to be sure I'm thinking of the right thing. Brian >------- Original Message ------- >From : Gene Buckle[mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com] >Sent : 9/16/2007 8:58:41 PM >To : simpits-tech at simpits.org >Cc : simpits-chat at simpits.org >Subject : RE: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... > >I am looking for pictures and/or diagrams of the layout boards used to construct wiring harnesses. Can someone either point me to a place to get them or put links up? Thanks all! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun Sep 16 21:42:48 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <2581e8b16c7443c5aa3ba03da3858d47.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <2581e8b16c7443c5aa3ba03da3858d47.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > Can you describe what you mean, Gene? I think I know > what you're talking about... and I may be able to > help you out. Just want to be sure I'm thinking of > the right thing. > It's basically a board that has a printed layout or diagram of the wiring harness to be built and little pegs to hold the wire in various positions along the harness. I think I have a handle on how it's done in theory, but I would really like to see how it's done in the real world. tnx! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon Sep 17 00:55:17 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:55:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Harness Boards Message-ID: http://www.e-z-hook.com/Html/HarnessBoards.html -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Mon Sep 17 01:01:36 2007 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:01:36 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: References: <2581e8b16c7443c5aa3ba03da3858d47.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: <0JOI00NAL6D64N20@smtp3.clear.net.nz> I can take photos of some of the (admittedly simple) one's we have used at work if you like... pretty simple, but effective :) SeanG At 04:42 p.m. 17/09/2007, you wrote: > > Can you describe what you mean, Gene? I think I know > > what you're talking about... and I may be able to > > help you out. Just want to be sure I'm thinking of > > the right thing. > > > > >It's basically a board that has a printed layout or diagram of the wiring >harness to be built and little pegs to hold the wire in various positions >along the harness. I think I have a handle on how it's done in theory, >but I would really like to see how it's done in the real world. > >tnx! > >g. > > >-- >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1010 - Release Date: >15/09/2007 7:54 p.m. From cyplesma at aol.com Mon Sep 17 05:57:07 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:57:07 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: References: <2581e8b16c7443c5aa3ba03da3858d47.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: <8C9C741632EF06F-428-5C5@WEBMAIL-MB13.sysops.aol.com> kind of like a breakout box for rs232 or parallel connectors, or you could make you own with some of the perf boards with soldering pads. -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:42 am Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... > Can you describe what you mean, Gene? I think I know > what you're talking about... and I may be able to > help you out. Just want to be sure I'm thinking of > the right thing. > It's basically a board that has a printed layout or diagram of the wiring harness to be built and little pegs to hold the wire in various positions along the harness. I think I have a handle on how it's done in theory, but I would really like to see how it's done in the real world. tnx! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070917/4af44c84/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Sep 17 08:23:35 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Harness Boards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > http://www.e-z-hook.com/Html/HarnessBoards.html > Thanks Roy, that gives me some more clues about how it's done. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Sep 17 08:24:27 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <0JOI00NAL6D64N20@smtp3.clear.net.nz> References: <2581e8b16c7443c5aa3ba03da3858d47.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> <0JOI00NAL6D64N20@smtp3.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: > I can take photos of some of the (admittedly simple) one's we have > used at work if you like... pretty simple, but effective :) > That would be great Sean, thanks. Would you mind if I made them available on the website? g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Sep 17 08:26:51 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <8C9C741632EF06F-428-5C5@WEBMAIL-MB13.sysops.aol.com> References: <2581e8b16c7443c5aa3ba03da3858d47.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> <8C9C741632EF06F-428-5C5@WEBMAIL-MB13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > > kind of like a breakout box for rs232 or parallel connectors, or you > could make you own with some of the perf boards with soldering pads. Not exactly. This type of construction jig is used for laying up a wiring harness that could be from 3 to 300 feet long. What I need is someone in the Boeing wiring shop with a camera. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From cyplesma at aol.com Mon Sep 17 10:23:20 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:23:20 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: References: <2581e8b16c7443c5aa3ba03da3858d47.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> <8C9C741632EF06F-428-5C5@WEBMAIL-MB13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C9C76693EBD118-1554-184C@WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com> yeah sorry about premature post, I posted my answer before I saw the post with the wires laid out on the paper like they were. I did think you were looking for something more for troubleshooting the cables then building. Doing all that for one-offs can sometimes be more of a hassle, but I make it a point to not tell somebody to not do something their are comfortable with. Whatever works. 8 ) -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:26 am Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... > > kind of like a breakout box for rs232 or parallel connectors, or you > could make you own with some of the perf boards with soldering pads. Not exactly. This type of construction jig is used for laying up a wiring harness that could be from 3 to 300 feet long. What I need is someone in the Boeing wiring shop with a camera. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070917/1ed9670b/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Sep 17 10:49:05 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <8C9C76693EBD118-1554-184C@WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com> References: <2581e8b16c7443c5aa3ba03da3858d47.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> <8C9C741632EF06F-428-5C5@WEBMAIL-MB13.sysops.aol.com> <8C9C76693EBD118-1554-184C@WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > > I did think you were looking for something more for troubleshooting the > cables then building. Doing all that for one-offs can sometimes be more > of a hassle, but I make it a point to not tell somebody to not do > something their are comfortable with. Whatever works. Imagine trying to free-form build a wiring harness that's 6 feet long, has 25 connector pigtails along its length and consists of somewhere north of 250 wires. You can see my dilemma. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From dave_friend at tiscali.co.uk Mon Sep 17 10:56:55 2007 From: dave_friend at tiscali.co.uk (Dave) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:56:55 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This one any good Gene? http://www.dairiki.org/hammond/cable-lacing-howto/ -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org]On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: 17 September 2007 01:59 To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Cc: simpits-chat at simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... I am looking for pictures and/or diagrams of the layout boards used to construct wiring harnesses. Can someone either point me to a place to get them or put links up? Thanks all! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: 17/09/2007 13:29 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: 17/09/2007 13:29 From cyplesma at aol.com Mon Sep 17 12:35:06 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:35:06 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9C778FC7802A9-EC0-23D6@Webmail-mg11.sysops.aol.com> I understand the dilemma. I only once redid a engine wiring harness for a 74 charger. it was the one for the electronic timing control. that was a fun weekend, I did have the original wiring harness to work with and match up with. It was missing most of it's insulation, didn't bend very well, and I have to epoxy blob a couple of the connectors. I always wondered why I needed to know how to do that. I'm about to start on my own pit fairly soon, but still playing around with some lcds for DED and RWR. -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Cc: simpits-chat at simpits.org Sent: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 8:58 pm Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... I am looking for pictures and/or diagrams of the layout boards used to construct wiring harnesses. Can someone either point me to a place to get them or put links up? Thanks all! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070917/dcef245e/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Sep 17 13:21:28 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > This one any good Gene? > > http://www.dairiki.org/hammond/cable-lacing-howto/ > Thanks for the link Dave. It's got some good info on it, but I'm hoping to see an actual jig in use. The lacing examples are very good though. I'm hoping to be able to write a tutorial on how this kind of thing is done and how it can be applied to our projects. The hard part is the research. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Mon Sep 17 13:38:02 2007 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:38:02 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... Message-ID: <0b93ca1155494e32964d232579b15981.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> If you had asked this a couple summers ago when I was working for Smiths Aerospace, I could have hooked you up no question... as it is I'm gonna try and get ahold of my old manager and see if he can help me out. Brian >------- Original Message ------- >From : Gene Buckle[mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com] >Sent : 9/17/2007 11:26:51 AM >To : simpits-tech at simpits.org >Cc : >Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... > >> > kind of like a breakout box for rs232 or parallel connectors, or you > could make you own with some of the perf boards with soldering pads. Not exactly. This type of construction jig is used for laying up a wiring harness that could be from 3 to 300 feet long. What I need is someone in the Boeing wiring shop with a camera. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Sep 17 13:55:06 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <0b93ca1155494e32964d232579b15981.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <0b93ca1155494e32964d232579b15981.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > If you had asked this a couple summers ago when I was working for Smiths > Aerospace, I could have hooked you up no question... as it is I'm gonna > try and get ahold of my old manager and see if he can help me out. > That would be great Brian, thanks! BTW, how is SUPT treating you? g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Mon Sep 17 16:13:13 2007 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:13:13 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... Message-ID: <8f808cd9be0046b7a008b27e77295ff5.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Pretty darn good. Just started flying the mighty T-1 Jayhawk on Friday. Second flight was this morning. Fun times. :D I know a lotta guys tend to idolize the T-38 Talon, but I kinda like having a crapper on board. Heck I used it today! lol. As of right now I'm scheduled to graduate in March. Here's hopin! :D >------- Original Message ------- >From : Gene Buckle[mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com] >Sent : 9/17/2007 4:55:06 PM >To : simpits-tech at simpits.org >Cc : >Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... > >> If you had asked this a couple summers ago when I was working for Smiths > Aerospace, I could have hooked you up no question... as it is I'm gonna > try and get ahold of my old manager and see if he can help me out. > That would be great Brian, thanks! BTW, how is SUPT treating you? g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Sep 17 18:16:20 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <8f808cd9be0046b7a008b27e77295ff5.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <8f808cd9be0046b7a008b27e77295ff5.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > Pretty darn good. Just started flying the mighty T-1 Jayhawk on Friday. > Second flight was this morning. Fun times. :D I know a lotta guys tend > to idolize the T-38 Talon, but I kinda like having a crapper on board. > Heck I used it today! lol. > > As of right now I'm scheduled to graduate in March. Here's hopin! :D > Sounds cool Brian, good job! If you're ever at McChord, I expect a ride. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From frank at rezultat.dk Mon Sep 17 23:52:19 2007 From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:52:19 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] OF - 120dg OTW and HighRes MFD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00ca01c7f9c0$75b4f8e0$0201a8c0@Franks> Just want to be sure we all are tracking "Topic" http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=2938.0 Check six Frank From bjones at pipecomp.com.au Tue Sep 18 05:59:49 2007 From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:59:49 +0900 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... References: Message-ID: <00f401c7f9f3$d7239130$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> Gene, I don't have any pics handy at the moment but..... bare with my half baked " how to " scribble below. Pic a main point thought the fuselage front to rear where the bulk of the " Loom" will travel through all the bulk heads. Lay out some pieces of mdf on the bench long enough for the length of the loom and draw a line long ways through the board(s) Determine all the off shoots from this main loom to the parts that need wiring. eg switches lights blah blah. mark out from the main loom line all the offshoots and there required cable lengths and so on till you have a fish bone looking thingy drawn out on the board. Nail nails every 4 inches either side of these main loom and off shoots. determine via wiring diags howmany cores are needed and there route they take . Drop these cables and single cores on the board with wires numbered or labelled. The secret is now to neaten up the loom so its nice and round with no twisted or overlapping cables, Cable tie loom now Trim the ends of each off shoot even then terminate in plugs or terminals. pickup new loom and associated plugs and then have fun wiggling it through all the bulk heads, if your measurements are correct everything should just drop into place and look a million bucks! I hope I have not now just told everyone how to suck eggs, the above process has done me for 2 aircraft wiring jobs, many big generators and a rally car. works a treat ! hope my dribble helps Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:58 AM Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... >I am looking for pictures and/or diagrams of the layout boards used to > construct wiring harnesses. > > Can someone either point me to a place to get them or put links up? > > Thanks all! > > g. > > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Sep 18 06:34:15 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] OF - 120dg OTW and HighRes MFD In-Reply-To: <00ca01c7f9c0$75b4f8e0$0201a8c0@Franks> References: <00ca01c7f9c0$75b4f8e0$0201a8c0@Franks> Message-ID: > Just want to be sure we all are tracking "Topic" > http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=2938.0 > That's pretty neat Frank, thanks for posting the link. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Sep 18 06:41:18 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <00f401c7f9f3$d7239130$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> References: <00f401c7f9f3$d7239130$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> Message-ID: > Gene, > > I don't have any pics handy at the moment but..... bare with my half baked " > how to " scribble below. > Ben, thanks for the description. That is really close to the method I'm going to use. I'm going to get all the measurements I need and then draw the layout outline in AutoCAD and then plot the layout full size. I'll then use 3M 77 spray adhesive to glue the plot to the board that I'll build the harness on. Instead of using cable ties, I'm going to use waxed lacing tape, although I will use the cable ties when first starting to keep everything tight. They'll get clipped off as I work my way down the harness. You can expect an excruciatingly(sp!) detailed article on this once I've got all my research done. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From cyplesma at aol.com Tue Sep 18 06:57:38 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:57:38 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: References: <00f401c7f9f3$d7239130$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> Message-ID: <8C9C81301E0F345-5F8-4C0B@MBLK-M02.sysops.aol.com> Instead of using cable ties, I'm going to use waxed lacing tape, although I will use the cable ties when first starting to keep everything tight. They'll get clipped off as I work my way down the harness. If their readily available you might want to look into the cable ties that can be released so you can use those to do the building and when your all set just replace them with permanent cable ties. -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 9:41 am Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... > Gene, > > I don't have any pics handy at the moment but..... bare with my half baked " > how to " scribble below. > Ben, thanks for the description. That is really close to the method I'm going to use. I'm going to get all the measurements I need and then draw the layout outline in AutoCAD and then plot the layout full size. I'll then use 3M 77 spray adhesive to glue the plot to the board that I'll build the harness on. Instead of using cable ties, I'm going to use waxed lacing tape, although I will use the cable ties when first starting to keep everything tight. They'll get clipped off as I work my way down the harness. You can expect an excruciatingly(sp!) detailed article on this once I've got all my research done. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070918/8e0ce298/attachment.html From bjones at pipecomp.com.au Tue Sep 18 07:04:19 2007 From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:04:19 +0900 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... References: <00f401c7f9f3$d7239130$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> Message-ID: <012101c7f9fc$dbb38a80$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> Glad to be of assistance Wax tape wax thread is great and really spiffy to look at when done correctly, I did hours of it on a Experimental aircraft only to tear the absolute Sheit out of the wax thread when pulling through the aircraft. oh well I got better at in situ wax thread repairs after that 8-) Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... >> Gene, >> >> I don't have any pics handy at the moment but..... bare with my half >> baked " >> how to " scribble below. >> > > Ben, thanks for the description. That is really close to the method I'm > going to use. > > I'm going to get all the measurements I need and then draw the layout > outline in AutoCAD and then plot the layout full size. I'll then use 3M > 77 spray adhesive to glue the plot to the board that I'll build the > harness on. > > Instead of using cable ties, I'm going to use waxed lacing tape, although > I will use the cable ties when first starting to keep everything tight. > They'll get clipped off as I work my way down the harness. > > You can expect an excruciatingly(sp!) detailed article on this once I've > got all my research done. :) > > g. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Sep 18 08:15:01 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <8C9C81301E0F345-5F8-4C0B@MBLK-M02.sysops.aol.com> References: <00f401c7f9f3$d7239130$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> <8C9C81301E0F345-5F8-4C0B@MBLK-M02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > > > If their readily available you might want to look into the cable ties > that can be released so you can use those to do the building and when > your all set just replace them with permanent cable ties. I've got many thousands of cable ties to use up. Buying more, even adjustable ones won't help use up that supply. *laughs* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Sep 18 08:20:04 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <012101c7f9fc$dbb38a80$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> References: <00f401c7f9f3$d7239130$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> <012101c7f9fc$dbb38a80$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> Message-ID: > Wax tape wax thread is great and really spiffy to look at when done > correctly, I did hours of it on a Experimental aircraft only to tear the > absolute Sheit out of the wax thread when pulling through the aircraft. oh > well I got better at in situ wax thread repairs after that 8-) > Fortunately, I won't be dragging the harness through any tight spaces. The side consoles are open to the forward bulkhead, and they won't pass through it. I'm going to be installing pass-through connectors that will pass the signals through. It'll be a series of DB25 connectors. Should work out well. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From jmiguez at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 18 08:55:42 2007 From: jmiguez at bellsouth.net (John Miguez) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:55:42 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: References: <8f808cd9be0046b7a008b27e77295ff5.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: <46EFF4FE.3040800@bellsouth.net> Congratulations Brian. I know you must be happy and excited. John Gene Buckle wrote: >
> Pretty darn good. Just started flying > the mighty T-1 Jayhawk on Friday. >> Second flight was this morning. Fun times. :D I know a lotta guys >> tend to idolize the T-38 Talon, but I kinda like having a crapper on >> board. Heck I used it today! lol. >> >> As of right now I'm scheduled to graduate in March. Here's hopin! :D >> > Sounds cool Brian, good job! If you're ever at McChord, I expect a > ride. :) > > g. > From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Tue Sep 18 11:40:52 2007 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:40:52 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... Message-ID: <2cc95b22cdc9484fbd5d5b31520bbb3e.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Hey Gene, Sorry, I tried. They can't even discuss processes unless you're not in competition with GE (which you aren't) and you're ITARS certified (which, I think, you aren't). In short, even if you were it sounded like a lot of red tape for a simple request. But I gave it a shot. Brian From cyplesma at aol.com Tue Sep 18 11:49:48 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:49:48 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <2cc95b22cdc9484fbd5d5b31520bbb3e.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <2cc95b22cdc9484fbd5d5b31520bbb3e.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: <8C9C83BD26DA05A-E40-623A@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> Ben If your reading I posted your cable making directions on viperpit.org. I hope you don't mind, I'll make it a point to ask first next time I share anything from anybody here. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Sikkema To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 2:40 pm Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... Hey Gene, Sorry, I tried. They can't even discuss processes unless you're not in competition with GE (which you aren't) and you're ITARS certified (which, I think, you aren't). In short, even if you were it sounded like a lot of red tape for a simple request. But I gave it a shot. Brian _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070918/f28f39a1/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Sep 18 12:44:16 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <2cc95b22cdc9484fbd5d5b31520bbb3e.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <2cc95b22cdc9484fbd5d5b31520bbb3e.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > Sorry, I tried. They can't even discuss processes unless you're not in > competition with GE (which you aren't) and you're ITARS certified > (which, I think, you aren't). In short, even if you were it sounded like > a lot of red tape for a simple request. But I gave it a shot. > Thanks for checking Brian. I've got enough information for both the article and the actual project. I'm still working on getting someone from Lockmart to brag about how they do wiring harnesses for the F-16. If they'll send me some info, I'm sure I could use it to lean on Boeing to see how they do it. "Gee, Lockeed helped out...." *laughs* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue Sep 18 15:11:00 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:11:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Gene Buckle wrote: > Imagine trying to free-form build a wiring harness that's 6 feet long, has > 25 connector pigtails along its length and consists of somewhere north of > 250 wires. > > You can see my dilemma. :) having been in that position, and about to be again - make a board but for chrissake get your measurements right!! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue Sep 18 15:39:42 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:39:42 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Sep 2007, Gene Buckle wrote: > Instead of using cable ties, I'm going to use waxed lacing tape, although > I will use the cable ties when first starting to keep everything tight. > They'll get clipped off as I work my way down the harness. Yay! lacing cord rocks, it looks soooooo much nicer than wire-ties. Although I did do one gizmo using different coloured ties for each circuit which kinda looked neat :-) -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From allendc at qwest.net Tue Sep 18 16:20:17 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:20:17 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070918232021.59EBD53BD1E@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> http://www.wiringharnessnews.com/Articles/2000/F22/f22.htm David At 05:58 PM 9/16/2007 -0700, you wrote: >I am looking for pictures and/or diagrams of the layout boards used to >construct wiring harnesses. > >Can someone either point me to a place to get them or put links up? > >Thanks all! > >g. > > >-- >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ NOD32 2533 (20070916) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From allendc at qwest.net Tue Sep 18 16:39:31 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:39:31 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... Message-ID: <20070918234119.BB96522DC76@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Gene Here is the software you need http://www.mentor.com/products/cabling_harness/engineering_manufacturing/capital_formboard/upload/capital_formboard.pdf David At 05:58 PM 9/16/2007 -0700, you wrote: >I am looking for pictures and/or diagrams of the layout boards used to >construct wiring harnesses. > >Can someone either point me to a place to get them or put links up? > >Thanks all! > >g. > > >-- >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ NOD32 2533 (20070916) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From crease-guard at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 18 17:05:13 2007 From: crease-guard at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:05:13 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <20070918234119.BB96522DC76@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> References: <20070918234119.BB96522DC76@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <007201c7fa50$c0db6580$1900a8c0@flightsystems> Jesus, they have software for this. I wonder how many body parts that stuff costs? Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:40 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... Gene Here is the software you need http://www.mentor.com/products/cabling_harness/engineering_manufacturing/cap ital_formboard/upload/capital_formboard.pdf David At 05:58 PM 9/16/2007 -0700, you wrote: >I am looking for pictures and/or diagrams of the layout boards used to >construct wiring harnesses. > >Can someone either point me to a place to get them or put links up? > >Thanks all! > >g. > > >-- >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ NOD32 2533 (20070916) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From cyplesma at aol.com Tue Sep 18 18:18:47 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:18:47 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <007201c7fa50$c0db6580$1900a8c0@flightsystems> References: <20070918234119.BB96522DC76@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> <007201c7fa50$c0db6580$1900a8c0@flightsystems> Message-ID: <8C9C87229AF0DAD-900-7939@webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com> Jay, {Icy Knight here} I remember trying to make a VB (1.0, back in the day) to do just that. Never finished, but the company I would have handed too let me go, and I haven't had a need for it since. You can use some CAD software though, even powerpoint (for cables that will fit on the largest powerpoint type paper size) which can be pretty good sized. But a plotter always comes in handy otherwise you have to piece together the letter sheets which I imagine some people don't mind for the cost difference. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Fagner To: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list' Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 8:05 pm Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... Jesus, they have software for this. I wonder how many body parts that stuff costs? Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:40 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... Gene Here is the software you need http://www.mentor.com/products/cabling_harness/engineering_manufacturing/cap ital_formboard/upload/capital_formboard.pdf David At 05:58 PM 9/16/2007 -0700, you wrote: >I am looking for pictures and/or diagrams of the layout boards used to >construct wiring harnesses. > >Can someone either point me to a place to get them or put links up? > >Thanks all! > >g. > > >-- >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. 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URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070918/6912b649/attachment.html From cyplesma at aol.com Tue Sep 18 18:38:10 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:38:10 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <8C9C87229AF0DAD-900-7939@webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com> References: <20070918234119.BB96522DC76@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> <007201c7fa50$c0db6580$1900a8c0@flightsystems> <8C9C87229AF0DAD-900-7939@webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C9C874DED7EF3E-20C-1257@mblk-d51.sysops.aol.com> not to sound like a sales man but... I think of couple of CAD programs can do the following, but I use DesignCAD3D, but anybody who has a cad program should look into it and see if it has a programming type language (I think Auto CAD uses macros) But DesignCAD3D has an actual programming language. You have the program ask for a set of parameters, say the height and length of a wall, and it then generates a brick wall where it will add to your 3D file a wall of not just the surface of the bricks with them alternating and with a predefined spacing but show all the bricks in 3D (i know duh!) and you then do whatever with the file. but looking at the picture on the front page of the pdf file I'm thinking they used DesignCAD3D, I believe Home Depot uses DesignCAD 3D for their deck layout program. oh the latest version is like 100.00 from the program's home web site. http://www.imsisoft.com/prodinfo.asp?t=1&mcid=397&cid= -----Original Message----- From: cyplesma at aol.com To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 9:18 pm Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... Jay, {Icy Knight here} I remember trying to make a VB (1.0, back in the day) to do just that. Never finished, but the company I would have handed too let me go, and I haven't had a need for it since. You can use some CAD software though, even powerpoint (for cables that will fit on the largest powerpoint type paper size) which can be pretty good sized. But a plotter always comes in handy otherwise you have to piece together the letter sheets which I imagine some people don't mind for the cost difference. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Fagner To: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list' Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 8:05 pm Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... Jesus, they have software for this. I wonder how many body parts that stuff costs? Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:40 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... Gene Here is the software you need http://www.mentor.com/products/cabling_harness/engineering_manufacturing/cap ital_formboard/upload/capital_formboard.pdf David At 05:58 PM 9/16/2007 -0700, you wrote: >I am looking for pictures and/or diagrams of the layout boards used to >construct wiring harnesses. > >Can someone either point me to a place to get them or put links up? > >Thanks all! > >g. > > >-- >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >__________ NOD32 2533 (20070916) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070918/8ec0bbfc/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Sep 18 18:44:38 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > >> Imagine trying to free-form build a wiring harness that's 6 feet long, has >> 25 connector pigtails along its length and consists of somewhere north of >> 250 wires. >> >> You can see my dilemma. :) > > having been in that position, and about to be again - make a board but for > chrissake get your measurements right!! > I'm going to take careful measurements and then add a little extra to the service loops. :) I may actually use 1/2" PVC pipe to stand up each one, but I haven't decided yet. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Sep 18 18:46:10 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > >> Instead of using cable ties, I'm going to use waxed lacing tape, although >> I will use the cable ties when first starting to keep everything tight. >> They'll get clipped off as I work my way down the harness. > > > > Yay! lacing cord rocks, it looks soooooo much nicer than wire-ties. > Although I did do one gizmo using different coloured ties for each circuit > which kinda looked neat :-) > The idea is to make it look as authentic as possible. I figure by the time I'm done I'll be able to lace with my eyes closed. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Sep 18 18:48:07 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <20070918232021.59EBD53BD1E@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> References: <20070918232021.59EBD53BD1E@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: > > http://www.wiringharnessnews.com/Articles/2000/F22/f22.htm > It makes me nervous that there is actually a _news_ site dedicated to wiring harnesses. :) Thanks Dave! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Sep 18 18:52:51 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <20070918234119.BB96522DC76@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> References: <20070918234119.BB96522DC76@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: > Gene > Here is the software you need > > http://www.mentor.com/products/cabling_harness/engineering_manufacturing/capital_formboard/upload/capital_formboard.pdf > I afraid to even ask them how much that costs. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Sep 18 18:54:06 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <007201c7fa50$c0db6580$1900a8c0@flightsystems> References: <20070918234119.BB96522DC76@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> <007201c7fa50$c0db6580$1900a8c0@flightsystems> Message-ID: > Jesus, they have software for this. > > I wonder how many body parts that stuff costs? > That's not the only package. There is one that integrates with SolidWorks, Catia and AutoCAD. I didn't ask how much. I did find one that had a "free" version, but the parts database (connectors, etc) was $400. :( g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Sep 18 18:56:46 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <8C9C874DED7EF3E-20C-1257@mblk-d51.sysops.aol.com> References: <20070918234119.BB96522DC76@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> <007201c7fa50$c0db6580$1900a8c0@flightsystems> <8C9C87229AF0DAD-900-7939@webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com> <8C9C874DED7EF3E-20C-1257@mblk-d51.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > > not to sound like a sales man but... > > > I think of couple of CAD programs can do the following, but I use > DesignCAD3D, but anybody who has a cad program should look into it and > see if it has a programming type language (I think Auto CAD uses macros) > > But DesignCAD3D has an actual programming language. You have the program > ask for a set of parameters, say the height and length of a wall, and it > then generates a brick wall where it will add to your 3D file a wall of > not just the surface of the bricks with them alternating and with a > predefined spacing but show all the bricks in 3D (i know duh!) and you > then do whatever with the file. > > but looking at the picture on the front page of the pdf file I'm > thinking they used DesignCAD3D, I believe Home Depot uses DesignCAD 3D > for their deck layout program. > > oh the latest version is like 100.00 from the program's home web site. > > > http://www.imsisoft.com/prodinfo.asp?t=1&mcid=397&cid= > Imsi's TurboCAD is also pretty good. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From cyplesma at aol.com Tue Sep 18 19:07:01 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:07:01 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: References: <20070918234119.BB96522DC76@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> <007201c7fa50$c0db6580$1900a8c0@flightsystems> <8C9C87229AF0DAD-900-7939@webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com> <8C9C874DED7EF3E-20C-1257@mblk-d51.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C9C878E6AED00D-94C-7979@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> OK, I already own a copy of DesignCAD I bought it back in 92/93 for about 180.00. The last upgrade I got was in 98/2000 (DesignCAD 97, yes I'm a procrastinator), I'm about due for the current version they have. But I took a closer look at the picture in the pdf I was referring to and I think it it AutoCAD there have there in the pic. I saw the other post about the connector and symbol library I don't know if DesignCAD has electronics in their library I'll have to check. (it works on one of my other PC user names not this one). -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 9:56 pm Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... > > not to sound like a sales man but... > > > I think of couple of CAD programs can do the following, but I use > DesignCAD3D, but anybody who has a cad program should look into it and > see if it has a programming type language (I think Auto CAD uses macros) > > But DesignCAD3D has an actual programming language. You have the program > ask for a set of parameters, say the height and length of a wall, and it > then generates a brick wall where it will add to your 3D file a wall of > not just the surface of the bricks with them alternating and with a > predefined spacing but show all the bricks in 3D (i know duh!) and you > then do whatever with the file. > > but looking at the picture on the front page of the pdf file I'm > thinking they used DesignCAD3D, I believe Home Depot uses DesignCAD 3D > for their deck layout program. > > oh the latest version is like 100.00 from the program's home web site. > > > http://www.imsisoft.com/prodinfo.asp?t=1&mcid=397&cid= > Imsi's TurboCAD is also pretty good. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070918/206e6258/attachment.html From cyplesma at aol.com Tue Sep 18 19:28:09 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:28:09 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <8C9C878E6AED00D-94C-7979@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> References: <20070918234119.BB96522DC76@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> <007201c7fa50$c0db6580$1900a8c0@flightsystems> <8C9C87229AF0DAD-900-7939@webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com> <8C9C874DED7EF3E-20C-1257@mblk-d51.sysops.aol.com> <8C9C878E6AED00D-94C-7979@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C9C87BDA6D4C63-94C-7A90@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> no connectors in the form of DB9/DB15/DB25 not that big of a deal to make them though, you can do 2d drawing very easy as well with designcad just like many others. in fact their electronic library is in their 2d symbol folder. -----Original Message----- From: cyplesma at aol.com To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:07 pm Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... OK, I already own a copy of DesignCAD I bought it back in 92/93 for about 180.00. The last upgrade I got was in 98/2000 (DesignCAD 97, yes I'm a procrastinator), I'm about due for the current version they have. But I took a closer look at the picture in the pdf I was referring to and I think it it AutoCAD there have there in the pic. I saw the other post about the connector and symbol library I don't know if DesignCAD has electronics in their library I'll have to check. (it works on one of my other PC user names not this one). -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 9:56 pm Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... > > not to sound like a sales man but... > > > I think of couple of CAD programs can do the following, but I use > DesignCAD3D, but anybody who has a cad program should look into it and > see if it has a programming type language (I think Auto CAD uses macros) > > But DesignCAD3D has an actual programming language. You have the program > ask for a set of parameters, say the height and length of a wall, and it > then generates a brick wall where it will add to your 3D file a wall of > not just the surface of the bricks with them alternating and with a > predefined spacing but show all the bricks in 3D (i know duh!) and you > then do whatever with the file. > > but looking at the picture on the front page of the pdf file I'm > thinking they used DesignCAD3D, I believe Home Depot uses DesignCAD 3D > for their deck layout program. > > oh the latest version is like 100.00 from the program's home web site. > > > http://www.imsisoft.com/prodinfo.asp?t=1&mcid=397&cid= > Imsi's TurboCAD is also pretty good. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070918/3ff97eac/attachment-0001.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue Sep 18 21:20:37 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <8C9C87BDA6D4C63-94C-7A90@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> References: <20070918234119.BB96522DC76@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> <007201c7fa50$c0db6580$1900a8c0@flightsystems> <8C9C87229AF0DAD-900-7939@webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com> <8C9C874DED7EF3E-20C-1257@mblk-d51.sysops.aol.com> <8C9C878E6AED00D-94C-7979@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> <8C9C87BDA6D4C63-94C-7A90@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > no connectors in the form of DB9/DB15/DB25 > > not that big of a deal to make them though, you can do 2d drawing very > easy as well with designcad just like many others. > > in fact their electronic library is in their 2d symbol folder. The DE* connectors are the easy part. It's those 50+ pin Cannon plugs that make your life difficult. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjones at pipecomp.com.au Wed Sep 19 06:00:40 2007 From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:00:40 +0900 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... References: <2cc95b22cdc9484fbd5d5b31520bbb3e.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> <8C9C83BD26DA05A-E40-623A@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002e01c7fabd$1742df90$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> No worries, My brief outline was a little bit rough and crude. Some where in all my electrical and electronic textbooks is a chapter on loom creation, I'm looking !! from memory it may have been a very old US Navy text book on the principals of wiring or electronic valve repairs ......dunno Something I never got around to returning to a RAAF Library Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: cyplesma at aol.com To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 3:49 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... Ben If your reading I posted your cable making directions on viperpit.org. I hope you don't mind, I'll make it a point to ask first next time I share anything from anybody here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070919/d412a450/attachment.html From cyplesma at aol.com Wed Sep 19 08:21:42 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:21:42 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <002e01c7fabd$1742df90$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> References: <2cc95b22cdc9484fbd5d5b31520bbb3e.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> <8C9C83BD26DA05A-E40-623A@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> <002e01c7fabd$1742df90$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> Message-ID: <8C9C8E7EAF04A35-62C-1993@webmail-de11.sysops.aol.com> gene, yes actually just those connectors wouldn't be to bad, trying to show the 50 individual wires going to it certainly would. Is that the highest density connector the 15 has? Ben, ya that reminds me I have some AF and Naval electronic books I know the AF books that I have don't have anything about wiring. I'll have to check the Naval ones. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Ben Jones To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 9:00 am Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... No worries, ? My brief outline was a little bit rough and crude. ? Some where in all my electrical and electronic textbooks is a chapter on loom creation, I'm looking !! ?from memory it may have been a very old US Navy text book on the principals of wiring or electronic valve repairs ......dunno ? Something I never got around to?returning ?to a RAAF ?Library ? Ben ? ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: cyplesma at aol.com To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 3:49 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... Ben If your reading I posted your cable making directions on viperpit.org. I hope you don't mind, I'll make it a point to ask first next time I share anything from anybody here. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070919/69ba903e/attachment.html From biggles at biggles.demon.nl Wed Sep 19 08:04:36 2007 From: biggles at biggles.demon.nl (Biggles) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:04:36 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: References: <20070918234119.BB96522DC76@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> <007201c7fa50$c0db6580$1900a8c0@flightsystems> <8C9C87229AF0DAD-900-7939@webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com> <8C9C874DED7EF3E-20C-1257@mblk-d51.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <46F13A84.70108@biggles.demon.nl> Here is another product : http://www.ige-xao.com/ige/siteigexao.nsf/mWebFrameMain?openform&LG=hd Biggles. >> not to sound like a sales man but... >> >> >> I think of couple of CAD programs can do the following, but I use >> DesignCAD3D, but anybody who has a cad program should look into it and >> see if it has a programming type language (I think Auto CAD uses macros) >> >> But DesignCAD3D has an actual programming language. You have the program >> ask for a set of parameters, say the height and length of a wall, and it >> then generates a brick wall where it will add to your 3D file a wall of >> not just the surface of the bricks with them alternating and with a >> predefined spacing but show all the bricks in 3D (i know duh!) and you >> then do whatever with the file. >> >> but looking at the picture on the front page of the pdf file I'm >> thinking they used DesignCAD3D, I believe Home Depot uses DesignCAD 3D >> for their deck layout program. >> >> oh the latest version is like 100.00 from the program's home web site. >> >> >> http://www.imsisoft.com/prodinfo.asp?t=1&mcid=397&cid= >> >> > > Imsi's TurboCAD is also pretty good. > > g. > > From biggles at biggles.demon.nl Wed Sep 19 08:06:50 2007 From: biggles at biggles.demon.nl (Biggles) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:06:50 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: References: <20070918234119.BB96522DC76@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> <007201c7fa50$c0db6580$1900a8c0@flightsystems> <8C9C87229AF0DAD-900-7939@webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com> <8C9C874DED7EF3E-20C-1257@mblk-d51.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <46F13B0A.1080401@biggles.demon.nl> Same company : http://www.ige-xao.com/ige%5Csiteigexao.nsf/mWebFrameSiteRubriqueDoc?OpenForm&RU=PRODUCTS&ID=18A698F82AD89962C125722F00567410&LG=HD Biggles. >> not to sound like a sales man but... >> >> >> I think of couple of CAD programs can do the following, but I use >> DesignCAD3D, but anybody who has a cad program should look into it and >> see if it has a programming type language (I think Auto CAD uses macros) >> >> But DesignCAD3D has an actual programming language. You have the program >> ask for a set of parameters, say the height and length of a wall, and it >> then generates a brick wall where it will add to your 3D file a wall of >> not just the surface of the bricks with them alternating and with a >> predefined spacing but show all the bricks in 3D (i know duh!) and you >> then do whatever with the file. >> >> but looking at the picture on the front page of the pdf file I'm >> thinking they used DesignCAD3D, I believe Home Depot uses DesignCAD 3D >> for their deck layout program. >> >> oh the latest version is like 100.00 from the program's home web site. >> >> >> http://www.imsisoft.com/prodinfo.asp?t=1&mcid=397&cid= >> >> > > Imsi's TurboCAD is also pretty good. > > g. > > From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Sep 19 09:02:56 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <8C9C8E7EAF04A35-62C-1993@webmail-de11.sysops.aol.com> References: <2cc95b22cdc9484fbd5d5b31520bbb3e.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> <8C9C83BD26DA05A-E40-623A@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> <002e01c7fabd$1742df90$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> <8C9C8E7EAF04A35-62C-1993@webmail-de11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > > yes actually just those connectors wouldn't be to bad, trying to show > the 50 individual wires going to it certainly would. Is that the highest > density connector the 15 has? There are ones with more than that. :) The harness layout plot that I'm going to do will only show an outline of the harness. I'm not going to detail the individual pins. Right now I'm trying to get a few things cleaned up in the shop so I can finish unpacking boxes that hold components. I had draw up schematics for both side consoles, but 90% of that work is useless now that the number of panels I have to scratch build has gone from "most" to fewer than 8. I did a bit of price shopping last night, looking for pins & sockets that will fit the various cannon plugs I've got. I wanted to put all new wire in the plugs instead of splicing into the original wire. I was utterly stunned. The prices are anywhere between .89c and $1.49 PER pin or socket. I've got a lot of lap splices in my future. :( g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Sep 19 09:06:22 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <46F13A84.70108@biggles.demon.nl> References: <20070918234119.BB96522DC76@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> <007201c7fa50$c0db6580$1900a8c0@flightsystems> <8C9C87229AF0DAD-900-7939@webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com> <8C9C874DED7EF3E-20C-1257@mblk-d51.sysops.aol.com> <46F13A84.70108@biggles.demon.nl> Message-ID: > Here is another product : > > http://www.ige-xao.com/ige/siteigexao.nsf/mWebFrameMain?openform&LG=hd > Very nice tool. Too bad they don't have a freeware version. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Wed Sep 19 10:50:34 2007 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:50:34 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... Message-ID: Funny how that goes, isn't it? The stuff is insane... we used it occasionally in the lab I worked in back in college. Definitely glad I wasn't footing the bill. >I wanted to put all new wire >in the plugs instead of splicing into the original wire. I was utterly >stunned. The prices are anywhere between .89c and $1.49 PER pin or >socket. I've got a lot of lap splices in my future. :( From cyplesma at aol.com Wed Sep 19 11:01:19 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:01:19 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: References: <2cc95b22cdc9484fbd5d5b31520bbb3e.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> <8C9C83BD26DA05A-E40-623A@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> <002e01c7fabd$1742df90$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> <8C9C8E7EAF04A35-62C-1993@webmail-de11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C9C8FE36E221B1-E6C-282C@webmail-de15.sysops.aol.com> yeaup, while in the AF, one shop I worked in that dealt with those those type of connectors, we had a big suit case in the shop. It was pretty cool two crimpers that had adapters that fit in them to crimp the right pin on the right size wire with the right pressure. but man what a cost that case was. it was cheaper then the 10,000 hammer, but yeah when it came time to replace the stock we used (pins) it was expensive, even for military standards. -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:02 pm Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... > > yes actually just those connectors wouldn't be to bad, trying to show > the 50 individual wires going to it certainly would. Is that the highest > density connector the 15 has? There are ones with more than that. :) The harness layout plot that I'm going to do will only show an outline of the harness. I'm not going to detail the individual pins. Right now I'm trying to get a few things cleaned up in the shop so I can finish unpacking boxes that hold components. I had draw up schematics for both side consoles, but 90% of that work is useless now that the number of panels I have to scratch build has gone from "most" to fewer than 8. I did a bit of price shopping last night, looking for pins & sockets that will fit the various cannon plugs I've got. I wanted to put all new wire in the plugs instead of splicing into the original wire. I was utterly stunned. The prices are anywhere between .89c and $1.49 PER pin or socket. I've got a lot of lap splices in my future. :( g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070919/c8f6d407/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Sep 19 11:05:41 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Funny how that goes, isn't it? The stuff is insane... we used it > occasionally in the lab I worked in back in college. Definitely glad I > wasn't footing the bill. I think it is primarily due to the fact that the crimp connectors for cannon style plugs is a lot more mechanically complex than the kind you use for DE style connectors. The last time I purchased crimp on connectors for DE style connectors, I paid .05c for the sockets and .04c for the pins. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From cyplesma at aol.com Wed Sep 19 11:10:48 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:10:48 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9C8FF8A981756-E6C-28DA@webmail-de15.sysops.aol.com> yeah like I said the crimpers put the right pressure on the right wire, you just had to follow their chart, that was a pain from what I remember though. -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 2:05 pm Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... > Funny how that goes, isn't it? The stuff is insane... we used it > occasionally in the lab I worked in back in college. Definitely glad I > wasn't footing the bill. I think it is primarily due to the fact that the crimp connectors for cannon style plugs is a lot more mechanically complex than the kind you use for DE style connectors. The last time I purchased crimp on connectors for DE style connectors, I paid .05c for the sockets and .04c for the pins. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070919/ed88cb7b/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Sep 19 11:11:27 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: <8C9C8FE36E221B1-E6C-282C@webmail-de15.sysops.aol.com> References: <2cc95b22cdc9484fbd5d5b31520bbb3e.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> <8C9C83BD26DA05A-E40-623A@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> <002e01c7fabd$1742df90$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> <8C9C8E7EAF04A35-62C-1993@webmail-de11.sysops.aol.com> <8C9C8FE36E221B1-E6C-282C@webmail-de15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > yeaup, while in the AF, one shop I worked in that dealt with those those > type of connectors, we had a big suit case in the shop. It was pretty > cool two crimpers that had adapters that fit in them to crimp the right > pin on the right size wire with the right pressure. but man what a cost > that case was. it was cheaper then the 10,000 hammer, but yeah when it > came time to replace the stock we used (pins) it was expensive, even for > military standards. I got really lucky and a friend of mine gave me a full set of crimping tools with various dies that he picked up at a surplus place, otherwise I'd be crimping them with a pair of needle nose pliers or soldering them in. Some of those crimp tools can be over $200. There's a really nice wire stripper I'd like to get but it's $130. It uses teflon cutting dies to guarantee you don't nick the wire. This is important since a single nicked strand would cause the wire to fail QA, at least in aerospace and according to a NASA wiring spec I found this week. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From cyplesma at aol.com Wed Sep 19 13:00:07 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:00:07 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... In-Reply-To: References: <2cc95b22cdc9484fbd5d5b31520bbb3e.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> <8C9C83BD26DA05A-E40-623A@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> <002e01c7fabd$1742df90$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> <8C9C8E7EAF04A35-62C-1993@webmail-de11.sysops.aol.com> <8C9C8FE36E221B1-E6C-282C@webmail-de15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C9C90ECFEA5C59-D40-2FCE@webmail-md01.sysops.aol.com> This is important since a single nicked strand would cause the wire to fail QA, at least in aerospace and according to a NASA wiring spec I found this week. heheheh, a few automotive manufacturing companies are the same way. -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 2:11 pm Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout board... > yeaup, while in the AF, one shop I worked in that dealt with those those > type of connectors, we had a big suit case in the shop. It was pretty > cool two crimpers that had adapters that fit in them to crimp the right > pin on the right size wire with the right pressure. but man what a cost > that case was. it was cheaper then the 10,000 hammer, but yeah when it > came time to replace the stock we used (pins) it was expensive, even for > military standards. I got really lucky and a friend of mine gave me a full set of crimping tools with various dies that he picked up at a surplus place, otherwise I'd be crimping them with a pair of needle nose pliers or soldering them in. Some of those crimp tools can be over $200. There's a really nice wire stripper I'd like to get but it's $130. It uses teflon cutting dies to guarantee you don't nick the wire. This is important since a single nicked strand would cause the wire to fail QA, at least in aerospace and according to a NASA wiring spec I found this week. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070919/0fa81d3f/attachment-0001.html From chevello at rcn.com Wed Sep 19 19:20:42 2007 From: chevello at rcn.com (KD) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:20:42 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46F1D8FA.6020901@rcn.com> Hey Gene, is this the sort of thing you were looking for? *www.sebcomm.com/walter-harness.htm **www.sheyennedakota.com/BoardLayouts.htm **www.cablesnow.com/harness_assembly.php (good one) * When you go to draw the connectors lots of the manufacturers' web sites have 3D models you can download. ITTCannon is one of them if you are going to use those massive, expensive things. You can also try www.partspec.com There is a ton of stuff there that if you can DL. Also if you register, they send you a DVD with all the parts on it. I use it at work all the time. In fact, I just did an electrical panel with Cannon connectors that I DLed from the ITTCannon website. They show the overall size of the connector, and some have the holes for the pins. Digikey has spec sheets that make it easier to draw the ones you can't find downloadable. Keith From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Sep 19 20:33:17 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout In-Reply-To: <46F1D8FA.6020901@rcn.com> References: <46F1D8FA.6020901@rcn.com> Message-ID: > Hey Gene, is this the sort of thing you were looking for? > *www.sebcomm.com/walter-harness.htm > > > **www.sheyennedakota.com/BoardLayouts.htm > > > **www.cablesnow.com/harness_assembly.php > (good one) > * Those are great examples! Thanks! > When you go to draw the connectors lots of the manufacturers' web sites > have 3D models you can download. ITTCannon is one of them if you are > going to use those massive, expensive things. You can also try > www.partspec.com There is a ton of stuff there that if you can DL. Also > if you register, they send you a DVD with all the parts on it. I use it > at work all the time. In fact, I just did an electrical panel with > Cannon connectors that I DLed from the ITTCannon website. They show the > overall size of the connector, and some have the holes for the pins. > Digikey has spec sheets that make it easier to draw the ones you can't > find downloadable. > I'll take a peek at those. I don't plan on actually drawing the whole connector though, just an outline of it. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjones at pipecomp.com.au Thu Sep 20 05:12:46 2007 From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:12:46 +0900 Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout Part 2 References: <46F1D8FA.6020901@rcn.com> Message-ID: <009b01c7fb7f$8e8381f0$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> Gene, Another professional trick to help the simpits community along. When constructing the harness to get a nice round loom, divide all the known cable runs in to lengths , ie short, medium and long. Start with laying some short runs on the board at either end as to spread the small runs out over the whole loom, but only lay half of the short lengths. Then divide the medium lengths in half , lay half of the mid cables around at either end. now lay in all the big long cable runs from front to rear Then lay remainder of mid lenth cables then run remainder of short runs. In a roundabaout kinda wierd way i have just described how to get the loom down to the smallest diameter , by not overlapping to many cables in the loom, Hope this helps, i think i'm going to have to do a mockup harness and take some pics to explain my dribble. I'd take some pics of a RV4 harness ( loom) i've been asked to do but its about 6 months away untill the guy can muster the money to pay me and buy all the avionics for the beast. And i'm about 10 years away from wiring my aircraft 8-( regards Ben From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Sep 20 06:22:55 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Wiring harness layout Part 2 In-Reply-To: <009b01c7fb7f$8e8381f0$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> References: <46F1D8FA.6020901@rcn.com> <009b01c7fb7f$8e8381f0$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox> Message-ID: > Another professional trick to help the simpits community along. > > When constructing the harness to get a nice round loom, divide all the known > cable runs in to lengths , > > ie short, medium and long. > > Start with laying some short runs on the board at either end as to spread > the small runs out over the whole loom, > but only lay half of the short lengths. > Good suggestions Ben. Thanks. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Mon Sep 24 07:51:08 2007 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] F-4J update Message-ID: <296295.6559.qm@web52008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Its alive! We test flew it yesterday. I have some simkits in the instrument panel. Having a powered USB hub and a fast computer make the Simkits move smoothly, no one will have a clue they use servo motors! I just wish they could interfaced to Falcon. The working altimeter really looks good. Yesterday I got the landing gear handle, flaps, parachute handle, wing fold switch, and speed brakes switch working with the Plasma lite and programed with FSUIPC. It works solid as a rock. had some issues with Plasma but Leo quickly got me pointed in the right direction, I had to make sure the ground and vcc for the pots had good connections. its funny how fast a line of people formed to get in the sim once they figured out it is now flying! :) I had to kick them out so that I could go get something to eat! Now I am on track to take it to the Alliance Ft. Worth airshow and PhanCon next month. Anyone here going to be at the show again this year? Justin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Sep 26 20:48:27 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] first panel... Message-ID: Well the artwork stage of the first of five new panels is nearly done. http://www.f15sim.com/images/fuel_panel.jpg The only part remaining is the text that surrounds the Slipway Override switch. I need to remove the guard that is on the A model panel I have so that I can correctly place it's mounting holes in the drawing. That will also allow me to correctly position the text. The next step will be to cut this out of card stock to make sure the dimensions are correct when set into the cockpit. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From idekkers at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 01:31:27 2007 From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:31:27 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] first panel... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39e5de8d0709270131x3353bdf5mf8e4900d9eb059aa@mail.gmail.com> looking great, you should talk to Mike (Kabar) on viperpits.org he has a panel making plant, and he's making panels for other planes then the viper if he has the artwork. he's doing them laser engraved. Ido On 9/27/07, Gene Buckle wrote: > > Well the artwork stage of the first of five new panels is nearly done. > > http://www.f15sim.com/images/fuel_panel.jpg > > The only part remaining is the text that surrounds the Slipway Override > switch. I need to remove the guard that is on the A model panel I have so > that I can correctly place it's mounting holes in the drawing. That will > also allow me to correctly position the text. > > The next step will be to cut this out of card stock to make sure the > dimensions are correct when set into the cockpit. > > g. > > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070927/e3d6b99b/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Sep 27 08:31:53 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] first panel... In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0709270131x3353bdf5mf8e4900d9eb059aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <39e5de8d0709270131x3353bdf5mf8e4900d9eb059aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > you should talk to Mike (Kabar) on viperpits.org > he has a panel making plant, and he's making panels for other planes then > the viper if he has the artwork. > I've seen some of his work, it's quite good. I'm not sure how Mike is lighting his, but mine are going to follow Type 5 specification. > he's doing them laser engraved. > I've got an Epilog Mini-24 with a 45 Watt laser, so I'm set. I'll be making the backing plates on my ShopBot. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From idekkers at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 10:00:31 2007 From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:00:31 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] first panel... In-Reply-To: References: <39e5de8d0709270131x3353bdf5mf8e4900d9eb059aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39e5de8d0709271000m77d2a1f3hb004951e3be7a50e@mail.gmail.com> you've just got too much equipment ; ) ido On 9/27/07, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > you should talk to Mike (Kabar) on viperpits.org > > he has a panel making plant, and he's making panels for other planes > then > > the viper if he has the artwork. > > > I've seen some of his work, it's quite good. I'm not sure how Mike is > lighting his, but mine are going to follow Type 5 specification. > > > he's doing them laser engraved. > > > > I've got an Epilog Mini-24 with a 45 Watt laser, so I'm set. I'll be > making the backing plates on my ShopBot. > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070927/a17a2119/attachment-0001.html From allendc at qwest.net Thu Sep 27 10:37:30 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:37:30 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] first panel... In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0709271000m77d2a1f3hb004951e3be7a50e@mail.gmail.co m> References: <39e5de8d0709270131x3353bdf5mf8e4900d9eb059aa@mail.gmail.com> <39e5de8d0709271000m77d2a1f3hb004951e3be7a50e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070927173738.C64D662D590@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070927/68ddf8b7/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Sep 27 12:24:45 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] first panel... In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0709271000m77d2a1f3hb004951e3be7a50e@mail.gmail.com> References: <39e5de8d0709270131x3353bdf5mf8e4900d9eb059aa@mail.gmail.com> <39e5de8d0709271000m77d2a1f3hb004951e3be7a50e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > you've just got too much equipment ; ) > Oh absolutely not! I still need a full size lathe, preferably CNC, as well as a CNC Bridgeport or Fanuc CNC mill. A YAG laser for cutting steel would be cool too. *wistful sigh* :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From cyplesma at aol.com Thu Sep 27 12:55:58 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:55:58 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] first panel... In-Reply-To: References: <39e5de8d0709270131x3353bdf5mf8e4900d9eb059aa@mail.gmail.com> <39e5de8d0709271000m77d2a1f3hb004951e3be7a50e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C9CF578EE300A8-C94-6B66@FWM-M27.sysops.aol.com> just reminds me of when the Joker asks himself "where does he get those wonderful toys" course, my concern is why don't I have that kind of spare change. 8 ( ?then I remember, my ex. now I have to go shoot the monkey on Pirates of Caribbean. -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 3:24 pm Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] first panel... > you've just got too much equipment ; ) > Oh absolutely not! I still need a full size lathe, preferably CNC, as well as a CNC Bridgeport or Fanuc CNC mill. A YAG laser for cutting steel would be cool too. *wistful sigh* :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070927/8feb7c41/attachment.html