From SukitS at state.gov Tue May 1 00:08:18 2007 From: SukitS at state.gov (Sittisudjatum, Sukit ) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 14:08:18 +0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... References: Message-ID: <08987840E06E98429FB92737378EB848BA32EE@bangkokmb03.eap.state.sbu> I tested T2G with my ATI9800XT using 3 monitors of the same resolution (1024x768), and plug a 32" LCD to the DVI output on the video card .. The result was good. Instead of having T2G to display scenery, I use it to display instrument .. This is my setting (to be accomplished) - Monitor 1 (19" Wide) for PFD and ND - Monitor 2 (17") for Standby Instrument and Upper EICAS - Monitor 3 (15") for CDU and Lower EICAS The link shows my test: http://www.thaiflight.com/mach/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t= 23228 The concept is to fly a home pit B737NG running on PMDG 737NG using only 1 PC (without Project Magenta or LAN network required). It's more economy approach in terms of investment and in the long run, I think. Another link to show the progress of my design: http://www.thaiflight.com/mach/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t= 22450&start=60 (there are more pages in the same thread, take your time to explore) Panel design is 70% completed now .. Just need more time to get the design done on AutoCAD. The production will not be so difficult since I've successfully work with my other project (F-16 Lite Panels) See this link: http://www.thaiflight.com/mach/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t= 20399&start=30 There are still so much work to be done ... Sukit Sittisudjatum Founder, Thai Flight Simulator www.thaiflight.com -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:33 AM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... > The only thing holding me back is that I'm running with an odd monitor > configuration and the TH2G specs look like it wont support my config. > I have 2 x 17" LCD @ 1280x1024 and a 22" LCD @ 1600x1050, combined > this is greater than the widest resolution the TH2G can handle > (~3400x1024). Anyone know if this can be dealt with without giving up > the 1600x1050 res on the 22" monitor? > Freeman, the unit will drive the displays at 1280x1024, reguardless of what their native resolution is. To get the most out of the T2G, you really should use 3 of the same display though. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From SukitS at state.gov Tue May 1 00:50:14 2007 From: SukitS at state.gov (Sittisudjatum, Sukit ) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 14:50:14 +0700 Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... References: Message-ID: <08987840E06E98429FB92737378EB848E6E9B3@bangkokmb03.eap.state.sbu> >Hey, how about taking the outputs from the T2G into three more T2G's ... Then we get more than 720 degrees of view!!! Hmm... Can't wait to see that :) Sukit Sittisudjatum -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Roy Coates Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 1:52 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Gene Buckle wrote: -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From chris at renovo.co.nz Tue May 1 01:19:52 2007 From: chris at renovo.co.nz (Chris Brace) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 20:19:52 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005301c78bc9$7ec84550$6501a8c0@ARSAI> Na, ive got one of these bad boys, and daisy chaining them wont work. Basically how these puppies work is the single box presents itself to your PC as a monitor that is capable of 3840x1024. the stuff inside just splits the image across 3 monitors of 1024x768. Basically the T2G itself will not see another daisy changed T2G as a bigger monitor and so couldn?t make use of it. Also to note I did some testing a month or so ago and I seem to recall a matrox utility that would allow non standard resolutions to be configured into the device so that would could get other resolutions other than the standard ones out of the box. Cheers Chris. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Roy Coates Sent: Tuesday, 1 May 2007 6:52 p.m. To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Gene Buckle wrote: > To get the most out of the T2G, you really should use 3 of the same > display though. Hey, how about taking the outputs from the T2G into three more T2G's ... Damn, I'm sick! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 30/04/2007 9:14 a.m. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 30/04/2007 9:14 a.m. From frank at rezultat.dk Tue May 1 01:32:38 2007 From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 10:32:38 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: <005301c78bc9$7ec84550$6501a8c0@ARSAI> Message-ID: <004c01c78bcb$474143f0$0301a8c0@Franks> Oki... Anybody tested 2 T2G, one on the first VGAout and one on the Second VGAout on 1 VGAcard ? Frank -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af Chris Brace Sendt: 1. maj 2007 10:20 Til: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list' Emne: Re: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... Na, ive got one of these bad boys, and daisy chaining them wont work. Basically how these puppies work is the single box presents itself to your PC as a monitor that is capable of 3840x1024. the stuff inside just splits the image across 3 monitors of 1024x768. Basically the T2G itself will not see another daisy changed T2G as a bigger monitor and so couldn?t make use of it. Also to note I did some testing a month or so ago and I seem to recall a matrox utility that would allow non standard resolutions to be configured into the device so that would could get other resolutions other than the standard ones out of the box. Cheers Chris. -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Roy Coates Sent: Tuesday, 1 May 2007 6:52 p.m. To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Gene Buckle wrote: > To get the most out of the T2G, you really should use 3 of the same > display though. Hey, how about taking the outputs from the T2G into three more T2G's ... Damn, I'm sick! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 30/04/2007 9:14 a.m. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 30/04/2007 9:14 a.m. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue May 1 01:08:40 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 09:08:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: <005301c78bc9$7ec84550$6501a8c0@ARSAI> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 May 2007, Chris Brace wrote: > Na, ive got one of these bad boys, and daisy chaining them wont work. Basically how these puppies work is the single box presents itself to your PC as a monitor that is capable of 3840x1024. the stuff inside just splits the image across 3 monitors of 1024x768. Basically the T2G itself will not see another daisy changed T2G as a bigger monitor and so couldn?t make use of it. I wasn't being serious Chris! I'm just a sick puppy :-) Also to note I did some testing a month or so ago and I seem to recall a matrox utility that would allow non standard resolutions to be configured into the device so that would could get other resolutions other than the standard ones out of the box. Ooh.. that's worth knowing - thanks. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue May 1 01:09:14 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 09:09:14 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: <004c01c78bcb$474143f0$0301a8c0@Franks> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 May 2007, Frank Riedel wrote: > Oki... > Anybody tested 2 T2G, one on the first VGAout and one on the Second VGAout > on 1 VGAcard ? No, but I'm about to order a pair of dual-head-2-go's so can try it with those. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From idekkers at gmail.com Tue May 1 03:23:58 2007 From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 13:23:58 +0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: References: <004c01c78bcb$474143f0$0301a8c0@Franks> Message-ID: <39e5de8d0705010323v3c2fb9a6u8a1047086b202cad@mail.gmail.com> and some of the boards today have 2 PCIE 16x port so 2 display cards... can someone think 4 T2G's? Ido On 5/1/07, Roy Coates wrote: > > On Tue, 1 May 2007, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > Oki... > > Anybody tested 2 T2G, one on the first VGAout and one on the Second > VGAout > > on 1 VGAcard ? > > > No, but I'm about to order a pair of dual-head-2-go's so can try it with > those. > > > -- > > Roy Coates. > Dept of Engineering. > Liverpool University. > E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk > Tel: 0151 794 4862 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs > meter. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070501/23ae410e/attachment.html From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue May 1 02:34:49 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 10:34:49 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0705010323v3c2fb9a6u8a1047086b202cad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 May 2007, Ido Dekkers wrote: > and some of the boards today have 2 PCIE 16x port so 2 display cards... > can someone think 4 T2G's? Drool. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Tue May 1 03:32:31 2007 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 22:32:31 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0705010323v3c2fb9a6u8a1047086b202cad@mail.gmail.co m> References: <004c01c78bcb$474143f0$0301a8c0@Franks> <39e5de8d0705010323v3c2fb9a6u8a1047086b202cad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0JHC00M84YO84Y10@smtp3.clear.net.nz> From what I have read you can only have one TH2GO per machine... that being said I have some TH2GO's at work... I'll see what kind of sickness I can create tomorrow Sean At 10:23 p.m. 1/05/2007, you wrote: >and some of the boards today have 2 PCIE 16x port so 2 display cards... >can someone think 4 T2G's? > > >Ido > >On 5/1/07, Roy Coates < >roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk> wrote: >On Tue, 1 May 2007, Frank Riedel wrote: > > > Oki... > > Anybody tested 2 T2G, one on the first VGAout and one on the Second VGAout > > on 1 VGAcard ? > > >No, but I'm about to order a pair of dual-head-2-go's so can try it with >those. > > >-- > >Roy Coates. >Dept of Engineering. >Liverpool University. >E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk >Tel: 0151 794 4862 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: >30/04/2007 9:14 a.m. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue May 1 03:01:18 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 11:01:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: <0JHC00M84YO84Y10@smtp3.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 May 2007, Sean Galbraith wrote: > From what I have read you can only have one TH2GO per machine... > that being said I have some TH2GO's at work... I'll see what kind of > sickness I can create tomorrow Good man :-) -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue May 1 05:28:05 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 13:28:05 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: <08987840E06E98429FB92737378EB848E6E9B3@bangkokmb03.eap.state.sbu> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 May 2007, Sittisudjatum, Sukit wrote: > Then we get more than 720 degrees of view!!! Hmm... Can't wait to see > that :) Heh! you would see it wherever you looked :-) -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From frank at rezultat.dk Tue May 1 07:10:12 2007 From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 16:10:12 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Sourround sound in Falcon 4 BMS In-Reply-To: <005301c78bc9$7ec84550$6501a8c0@ARSAI> Message-ID: <001d01c78bfa$71c4b470$0301a8c0@Franks> Any of you guys know if Falcon4 BMS+ sound is 5.1 Dolby ? Frank From adm.design at verizon.net Tue May 1 07:33:56 2007 From: adm.design at verizon.net (Alan D. Mazurka) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 10:33:56 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0JHD0043MCLIXE95@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> hi, the neatest part about this thing is that refresh rates are constant as graphics card power increases. this means - it's still useful going into the future. also, it's a native resolution for many projectors :-) - adm - At 02:50 AM 5/1/2007, you wrote: >On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > Here's a good excuse to buy one if you didn't have one yet. :) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmrylvU6FTs > > >Such a sweet toy - I'm amazed they aren't being sold on every street >corner! > > >-- > >Roy Coates. >Dept of Engineering. >Liverpool University. >E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk >Tel: 0151 794 4862 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! ---------- Alan D. Mazurka adm.design at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070501/57756991/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue May 1 09:08:27 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 09:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: <0JHD0043MCLIXE95@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 May 2007, Alan D. Mazurka wrote: > hi, > > the neatest part about this thing is that refresh rates are constant > as graphics card power increases. > > this means - it's still useful going into the future. > > also, it's a native resolution for many projectors :-) > I bought mine at Roy's suggestion and I plan on using it with three scratch-built projectors. I imagine it's going to look pretty damn cool. :) BTW, for those that use 2" gauges in their cockpits, Beta Innovations has a new line of 360 degree air-core motor based "instrument cores" in 2", 1.5" and 1" sizes. I've worked with air-core motors in the past and they make fantastic instruments. None of the noise you get with servo based instruments is another bonus. I ordered 10 of them for the F-15. I'll be using them for the 6 main engine instruments (L&R RPM, Temp & Fuel Flow, VVI, backup ASI, AOA and Cabin Pressure Alt). g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From pascal at pascal.org Tue May 1 09:11:53 2007 From: pascal at pascal.org (Freeman Pascal) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 10:11:53 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69DBC9D5-1A0C-465A-BCDF-19352C8AB403@pascal.org> Gene, Do you have a URL for Beta Innovations? -Freeman "Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils." Gen. John Stark, 1809 On May 1, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Gene Buckle wrote: > BTW, for those that use 2" gauges in their cockpits, Beta > Innovations has > a new line of 360 degree air-core motor based "instrument cores" in > 2", > 1.5" and 1" sizes. I've worked with air-core motors in the past > and they > make fantastic instruments. None of the noise you get with servo > based > instruments is another bonus. I ordered 10 of them for the F-15. > I'll be > using them for the 6 main engine instruments (L&R RPM, Temp & Fuel > Flow, > VVI, backup ASI, AOA and Cabin Pressure Alt). > > g. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070501/c0847265/attachment-0001.bin From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net Tue May 1 09:14:37 2007 From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 11:14:37 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Sourround sound in Falcon 4 BMS In-Reply-To: <001d01c78bfa$71c4b470$0301a8c0@Franks> References: <005301c78bc9$7ec84550$6501a8c0@ARSAI> <001d01c78bfa$71c4b470$0301a8c0@Franks> Message-ID: <002801c78c0b$d0d09d10$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> It is not. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Frank Riedel Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:10 AM To: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list' Subject: [simpits-tech] Sourround sound in Falcon 4 BMS Any of you guys know if Falcon4 BMS+ sound is 5.1 Dolby ? Frank _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From frank at rezultat.dk Tue May 1 09:20:29 2007 From: frank at rezultat.dk (Frank Riedel) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 18:20:29 +0200 Subject: [simpits-tech] [Spam] Re: Sourround sound in Falcon 4 BMS In-Reply-To: <002801c78c0b$d0d09d10$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Message-ID: <003a01c78c0c$a2857560$0301a8c0@Franks> Rgr Jay -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] P? vegne af Joseph Fagner Sendt: 1. maj 2007 18:15 Til: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list' Emne: [Spam] Re: [simpits-tech] Sourround sound in Falcon 4 BMS It is not. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Frank Riedel Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:10 AM To: 'Simulator Cockpit tech list' Subject: [simpits-tech] Sourround sound in Falcon 4 BMS Any of you guys know if Falcon4 BMS+ sound is 5.1 Dolby ? Frank _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From idekkers at gmail.com Tue May 1 09:27:18 2007 From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 19:27:18 +0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: <69DBC9D5-1A0C-465A-BCDF-19352C8AB403@pascal.org> References: <69DBC9D5-1A0C-465A-BCDF-19352C8AB403@pascal.org> Message-ID: <39e5de8d0705010927m405bbf50iaed9dfea50f77471@mail.gmail.com> www.betainnovations.com Ido On 5/1/07, Freeman Pascal wrote: > > Gene, > > Do you have a URL for Beta Innovations? > > -Freeman > > "Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils." > Gen. John Stark, 1809 > > > On May 1, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > BTW, for those that use 2" gauges in their cockpits, Beta > > Innovations has > > a new line of 360 degree air-core motor based "instrument cores" in > > 2", > > 1.5" and 1" sizes. I've worked with air-core motors in the past > > and they > > make fantastic instruments. None of the noise you get with servo > > based > > instruments is another bonus. I ordered 10 of them for the F-15. > > I'll be > > using them for the 6 main engine instruments (L&R RPM, Temp & Fuel > > Flow, > > VVI, backup ASI, AOA and Cabin Pressure Alt). > > > > g. > > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070501/7deed62f/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue May 1 09:48:17 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 09:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: <69DBC9D5-1A0C-465A-BCDF-19352C8AB403@pascal.org> Message-ID: > Gene, > > Do you have a URL for Beta Innovations? > http://www.betainnovations.com When I reach that point, I'll be releasing drivers to allow the BI hardware to interface with Lock On: Modern Air Combat as well as the IL2 series (must be post v4.04) of sims. Support for MSFS will also be available if I can get Leo to part with the info I need. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From allendc at qwest.net Tue May 1 09:48:23 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 10:48:23 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: References: <69DBC9D5-1A0C-465A-BCDF-19352C8AB403@pascal.org> Message-ID: <20070501164837.4CF3622DCD3@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> At 09:48 AM 5/1/2007 -0700, you wrote: > > Gene, > > > > Do you have a URL for Beta Innovations? > > > Support for MSFS will also be >available if I can get Leo to part with the info I need. :) g Do we need to give Leo the universal lubricant to get things going ($$$$) >:-} >:-} David www.737FlightSim.com From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue May 1 10:27:53 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 10:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: <20070501164837.4CF3622DCD3@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: > At 09:48 AM 5/1/2007 -0700, you wrote: > > > Gene, > > > > > > Do you have a URL for Beta Innovations? > > > > > Support for MSFS will also be > >available if I can get Leo to part with the info I need. :) > > g > > Do we need to give Leo the universal lubricant to get things going > ($$$$) >:-} >:-} > Nope. I just need to get enough my my infrastructure projects completed that I can actually start working on something simulator related for once. I'm sure Leo will provide me with whatever I need if I ask for it. I'm just not ready to ask yet. :) Don't be in such a hurry, you'll age prematurely. Oh. Wait. *runs* g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From allendc at qwest.net Tue May 1 10:40:58 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 11:40:58 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: References: <20070501164837.4CF3622DCD3@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <20070501174109.0B02C22E0A1@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> At 10:27 AM 5/1/2007 -0700, you wrote: > > At 09:48 AM 5/1/2007 -0700, you wrote: > > > > Gene, > > > > > > > > Do you have a URL for Beta Innovations? > > > > > > > Support for MSFS will also be > > >available if I can get Leo to part with the info I need. :) > > > > g > > > > Do we need to give Leo the universal lubricant to get things going > > ($$$$) >:-} >:-} > > >Nope. I just need to get enough my my infrastructure projects completed >that I can actually start working on something simulator related for once. > >I'm sure Leo will provide me with whatever I need if I ask for it. I'm >just not ready to ask yet. :) > >Don't be in such a hurry, you'll age prematurely. I just do it to see how long it takes for you to respond ! >Oh. Wait. *runs* And to see what cool things you will say >g. David Sipping Iced Tea, and watching the grass grow. www.737FlightSim.com >-- >"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" > >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue May 1 13:21:27 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 13:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: <20070501174109.0B02C22E0A1@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: > >Oh. Wait. *runs* > > And to see what cool things you will say > > >g. > > David > Sipping Iced Tea, and watching the grass grow. > www.737FlightSim.com > Damn kids. Get off my lawn! g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net Tue May 1 14:33:59 2007 From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 16:33:59 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: References: <69DBC9D5-1A0C-465A-BCDF-19352C8AB403@pascal.org> Message-ID: <003a01c78c38$6eaac110$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> What info do you need Gene? Leo has an SDK out that should allow you to write for MSFS. Nice to hear you are supporting the BI hardware with LO and IL2...pretty cool. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 11:48 AM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... > Gene, > > Do you have a URL for Beta Innovations? > http://www.betainnovations.com When I reach that point, I'll be releasing drivers to allow the BI hardware to interface with Lock On: Modern Air Combat as well as the IL2 series (must be post v4.04) of sims. Support for MSFS will also be available if I can get Leo to part with the info I need. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net Tue May 1 14:56:09 2007 From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 16:56:09 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: <20070501164837.4CF3622DCD3@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> References: <69DBC9D5-1A0C-465A-BCDF-19352C8AB403@pascal.org> <20070501164837.4CF3622DCD3@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <003b01c78c3b$8712bde0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Not so much. Support for MSFS was abandoned for other reasons...mainly the fact that people bitched and complained that he didn't add support for 3rd party stuff, even after he asked those 3rd party vendors for the needed information to allow the support and he was basically told to go piss off. Problem with the Heavy community is they are pretty embedded with the EPIC system. So the market for MSFS just dried up on him so he decided not to waste time writing software for MSFS when no one from that market was buying his hardware. Now, for the race car sims and us Falcon guys, it's a different story. He and I have been working on a number of projects for the last 6 months. He is about to release functional gauges for Falcon flyiers. Two, 1.5 and one inch gauges. Support is also being added for Hyd and Cabin pressure gauges which are not supported in Falcon. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 11:48 AM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... At 09:48 AM 5/1/2007 -0700, you wrote: > > Gene, > > > > Do you have a URL for Beta Innovations? > > > Support for MSFS will also be >available if I can get Leo to part with the info I need. :) g Do we need to give Leo the universal lubricant to get things going ($$$$) >:-} >:-} David www.737FlightSim.com _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue May 1 14:27:13 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 22:27:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 1 May 2007, Gene Buckle wrote: > "I'm not crazy but the evidence is stacking up ... -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From allendc at qwest.net Tue May 1 15:33:35 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 16:33:35 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: <003b01c78c3b$8712bde0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> References: <69DBC9D5-1A0C-465A-BCDF-19352C8AB403@pascal.org> <20070501164837.4CF3622DCD3@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> <003b01c78c3b$8712bde0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Message-ID: <20070501223447.CE14353BCEE@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> At 04:56 PM 5/1/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Not so much. Support for MSFS was abandoned for other reasons...mainly the >fact that people bitched and complained that he didn't add support for 3rd >party stuff, even after he asked those 3rd party vendors for the needed >information to allow the support and he was basically told to go piss off. Yes everything had to go through FSUIPC, but now we have SimConnect, more doors open! >Problem with the Heavy community is they are pretty embedded with the EPIC >system. EPIC was old school and builders who invested in it are slow to give up on all the time and money. > So the market for MSFS just dried up on him so he decided not to >waste time writing software for MSFS when no one from that market was buying >his hardware. There are so many card builders on the market today, but the sad part is how long they stay in business. The panel makers like FDS are entering into the electronics game, and the software guys like project magenta are selling hardware. Someone starting a 737 today just needs money and a shipping address. More and more stuff is going to be plug and play. >Now, for the race car sims and us Falcon guys, it's a different story. He >and I have been working on a number of projects for the last 6 months. He >is about to release functional gauges for Falcon flyiers. Two, 1.5 and one >inch gauges. Support is also being added for Hyd and Cabin pressure gauges >which are not supported in Falcon. Leo makes great stuff, I am using his load cell amps to generate the proper input levels from load cells and a old Plasma module. Hope to get the 1 x Plasma-Lite + 1 x NITRO expansion cards then the analog out will be solved David www.737FlightSim >Jay From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue May 1 21:25:57 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 21:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: <003a01c78c38$6eaac110$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Message-ID: > What info do you need Gene? Leo has an SDK out that should allow you to > write for MSFS. > > Nice to hear you are supporting the BI hardware with LO and IL2...pretty > cool. > I've got the SDK and I've printed the docs out. I just haven't had the time to work on anything. Both LOMAC and IL2 have great interfaces for cockpit builders and haven't really gotten the recognition they both so richly deserve. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue May 1 21:32:34 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 21:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: <003b01c78c3b$8712bde0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Message-ID: > Not so much. Support for MSFS was abandoned for other reasons...mainly the > fact that people bitched and complained that he didn't add support for 3rd > party stuff, even after he asked those 3rd party vendors for the needed > information to allow the support and he was basically told to go piss off. > I can't actually see why a cockpit builder would need access to third party add-on states. Unless the third party add-on is some kind of systems emulator that provides data that MSFS doesn't generate internally. The funny thing is, MSFS will generate data for just about any steam guage in the cockpit, so I don't see what all the fuss is about. :) > Problem with the Heavy community is they are pretty embedded with the EPIC > system. So the market for MSFS just dried up on him so he decided not to > waste time writing software for MSFS when no one from that market was buying > his hardware. > Maybe some new drivers will help with that, but LOMAC comes first. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue May 1 21:35:26 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 21:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > "I'm not crazy > > > > but the evidence is stacking up ... > Of course! What do you think I stand on to get into the F-15? :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net Tue May 1 22:23:02 2007 From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 00:23:02 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: <20070501223447.CE14353BCEE@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> References: <69DBC9D5-1A0C-465A-BCDF-19352C8AB403@pascal.org><20070501164837.4CF3622DCD3@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net><003b01c78c3b$8712bde0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> <20070501223447.CE14353BCEE@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <003801c78c79$f4d1f380$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> It's a self fulfilling prophesy. People don't want to buy stuff from someone because they are afraid of them going out of business. They go out of business because no one buys anything and then those folks turn around and go...see, I told you so. Plus, the market is just so darn small, it's hard to make a living doing just this. You have to broaden your offerings to more markets. Leo and I and Mike have been working together to bring more and more stuff to F-16 builders. 5 years ago there was little to go on, now as you said David, it's a matter of having money and you can buy just about everything you need to put a pit together. There are kits for the structure, Mike lasers panels for the viper, leo's stuff, Mike and I make the ICP and caution panels and we are working on a plug and go CMDS panel as well. Oh, next thing leo and I are going to do is try to get the CRT RWR fully functional. We got the real one I have about 90% there. There are two issues we have problems with. I think leo is going to try to build and offer a turn key one based on his design and thus no need for a real display. Leo and I had many long conversations where he was just frustrated as all get out trying to break into the heavies market...just didn't work out for him. However, I suspect I might hear a little bit of a change in heart for a second go around. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 5:34 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... At 04:56 PM 5/1/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Not so much. Support for MSFS was abandoned for other reasons...mainly the >fact that people bitched and complained that he didn't add support for 3rd >party stuff, even after he asked those 3rd party vendors for the needed >information to allow the support and he was basically told to go piss off. Yes everything had to go through FSUIPC, but now we have SimConnect, more doors open! >Problem with the Heavy community is they are pretty embedded with the EPIC >system. EPIC was old school and builders who invested in it are slow to give up on all the time and money. > So the market for MSFS just dried up on him so he decided not to >waste time writing software for MSFS when no one from that market was buying >his hardware. There are so many card builders on the market today, but the sad part is how long they stay in business. The panel makers like FDS are entering into the electronics game, and the software guys like project magenta are selling hardware. Someone starting a 737 today just needs money and a shipping address. More and more stuff is going to be plug and play. >Now, for the race car sims and us Falcon guys, it's a different story. He >and I have been working on a number of projects for the last 6 months. He >is about to release functional gauges for Falcon flyiers. Two, 1.5 and one >inch gauges. Support is also being added for Hyd and Cabin pressure gauges >which are not supported in Falcon. Leo makes great stuff, I am using his load cell amps to generate the proper input levels from load cells and a old Plasma module. Hope to get the 1 x Plasma-Lite + 1 x NITRO expansion cards then the analog out will be solved David www.737FlightSim >Jay _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Tue May 1 23:31:24 2007 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 18:31:24 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: References: <0JHC00M84YO84Y10@smtp3.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <0JHE00JDPI6EO410@smtp4.clear.net.nz> Well my fellow sim nutters... It goes like this: 1. Have a pc setup and running TH2GO. 2. Plug in second TH2GO, Windows makes annoying bing-bong noise. 3. Go to Display properties, select 3840 x 1024 and "span displays". 4. Run FS and select 7680 x 1024.... zoom alllllll the way out. 5. Giggle uncontrollably like a schoolgirl. 6. Run and get your workmates (all FS nuts...). 7. Watch *them* giggle uncontrollably like a schoolgirls... Ahh yes, t'was a good day at work today :) Couple of observations though; Even though we had a crazy wide view, MSFS (our test subject) still only gave around 120-180 degrees of rendered view. Framerate didn't seem to suffer too much, although we were running on a pretty reasonable PC/Graphics card setup... DoubleTripleHead2Go.... has a ring to it..... Now... how do I sneak 2 TH2GO's plus 6 big LCD monitors into my sim budget? Sean At 10:01 p.m. 1/05/2007, you wrote: >On Tue, 1 May 2007, Sean Galbraith wrote: > > > From what I have read you can only have one TH2GO per machine... > > that being said I have some TH2GO's at work... I'll see what kind of > > sickness I can create tomorrow > > >Good man :-) > > >-- > >Roy Coates. >Dept of Engineering. >Liverpool University. >E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk >Tel: 0151 794 4862 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/784 - Release Date: >1/05/2007 2:57 p.m. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Wed May 2 00:03:27 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 08:03:27 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... In-Reply-To: <0JHE00JDPI6EO410@smtp4.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 May 2007, Sean Galbraith wrote: > Well my fellow sim nutters... It goes like this: > 1. Have a pc setup and running TH2GO. > 2. Plug in second TH2GO, Windows makes annoying bing-bong noise. > 3. Go to Display properties, select 3840 x 1024 and "span displays". > 4. Run FS and select 7680 x 1024.... zoom alllllll the way out. > 5. Giggle uncontrollably like a schoolgirl. > 6. Run and get your workmates (all FS nuts...). > 7. Watch *them* giggle uncontrollably like a schoolgirls... > > Ahh yes, t'was a good day at work today :) YAY!! Sounds like my kinda day. Nice one Sir ! > -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Wed May 2 11:00:02 2007 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 14:00:02 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... Message-ID: >Now... how do I sneak 2 TH2GO's plus 6 big LCD monitors into my sim budget? Take a lesson from the CIA/DOD/et. al. - Black budget. :D *cackle* Brian From jtucker at tlink.com Wed May 2 11:28:55 2007 From: jtucker at tlink.com (John Tucker) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:28:55 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... References: Message-ID: <00ed01c78ce7$becb7f90$6500a8c0@SIM> Has anyone tried the TH2G Digital that was due to be launched in Q2 of 2007 but I have yet to see available for sale? The bezel management feature is the main thing I'm holding out for. http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/gxm/products/th2go/digital/home.php John ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Coates To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] TripleHead2Go... On Wed, 2 May 2007, Sean Galbraith wrote: > Well my fellow sim nutters... It goes like this: > 1. Have a pc setup and running TH2GO. > 2. Plug in second TH2GO, Windows makes annoying bing-bong noise. > 3. Go to Display properties, select 3840 x 1024 and "span displays". > 4. Run FS and select 7680 x 1024.... zoom alllllll the way out. > 5. Giggle uncontrollably like a schoolgirl. > 6. Run and get your workmates (all FS nuts...). > 7. Watch *them* giggle uncontrollably like a schoolgirls... > > Ahh yes, t'was a good day at work today :) YAY!! Sounds like my kinda day. Nice one Sir ! > -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not that I can complain about the current model, and now that the driver allows a cloned view on a single "pan-able" display it is pretty damn good :) Sean From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Sat May 5 08:25:44 2007 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 08:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Aura interactors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <62711.44506.qm@web52010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Brian, I use several of them. The electromagnetic "shaker" doohickey is a transducer. I got the Aura interactors when they were available cheap second hand and it was one of the best purchases that I have made. They work best with lower frequencies. I modified my sound files for gear, touchdown etc, so that there is a good bump in the transducers. The best sim I have flown with a transducer system was Kiko' sdown in Florida. I'll never forget the first time I lit up the afterburner in Falcon, the transducer was placed in the middle of my back on the ejection seat and I nearly jumped out of the sim! It made me much more aware of my throttle settings! When I got home I quickly began searching for transducer and got the Aura interactors because they were available for about 10 buck each at the time. I wish I had collected a few extra ones... In my F-4 I also placed one at the base of the throttles and one at the rudder pedals, set at a lower volume setting. Justin > > > From: "Brian Sikkema" > To: simpits-tech at simpits.org > Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:22:24 -0400 > Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol > 44, Issue 9 > > I have a couple of Aura interactors, don't know if > anyone remembers them... basically they were a > backpack that you wore and > inside was what was essentially a huge subwoofer but > without the paper cone. Just the electromagnetic > "shaker" doohickey (sorry > I'm not an audio engineer, I don't know what the > center part is called). > > Anyway this also solves the sound issue... but what > I think I may end up doing is using these in the > same sort of setup - use one > for higher frequencies and one for lower > frequencies... That could be a killer setup. :D > > Aviation Videos http://HeritageAviationVideos.fly.to/ DC-8 Simulator www.dc8cockpit.catisp.com F-4 Simulators www.Phantom.highspeedzone.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Sat May 5 08:53:19 2007 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 08:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Gene F-15 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7740.17123.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mabe something you need? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120116590780&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RCRX_Pr4_PcY_BIN_IT&refitem=120113013229&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget Also, you might be able to do more sim work IF you would STOP "PLAYING" with those SILLY RC PLANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on, you have a REAL F-15 in your back yard!!! And you chose to play with the RC TOYS???? What's up with that???? Ok, gotta go! Runs out the door... Justin Aviation Videos http://HeritageAviationVideos.fly.to/ DC-8 Simulator www.dc8cockpit.catisp.com F-4 Simulators www.Phantom.highspeedzone.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Sun May 6 07:28:48 2007 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 07:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] LOMAC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <465675.98043.qm@web52008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Does LOMAC have any add-on aircraft available yet? Or is support for the game already dead? Justin Aviation Videos http://HeritageAviationVideos.fly.to/ DC-8 Simulator www.dc8cockpit.catisp.com F-4 Simulators www.Phantom.highspeedzone.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun May 6 11:35:19 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 11:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Gene F-15 In-Reply-To: <7740.17123.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Mabe something you need? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120116590780&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RCRX_Pr4_PcY_BIN_IT&refitem=120113013229&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget > Thanks for the tip Justin. I have two of them now, so the price he's asking is much higher than I'm willing to pay. That and he and I got into it over the AWG-17 armament control panel he's selling. LAst time it was up, it was $499 and he claimed it was from an F-111. As far as I know, the _only_ US aircraft to use that panel was the F-15. Any F-111 mavens want to chime in? > > Also, you might be able to do more sim work IF you > would STOP "PLAYING" with those SILLY RC > PLANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on, you have a REAL F-15 in > your back yard!!! And you chose to play with the RC > TOYS???? What's up with that???? > Well hey, the "silly" R/C planes are a lot of fun, and a damn sight cheaper to buy or make parts for than my F-15. :) GWS is going to be releasing a dual ducted fan F-15C here in the next few weeks. You can be sure I'll have at least one. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun May 6 11:37:00 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 11:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] LOMAC In-Reply-To: <465675.98043.qm@web52008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Does LOMAC have any add-on aircraft available yet? Or > is support for the game already dead? > Check out http://www.lockon.ru. Lock On: Black Shark should be out soon. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon May 7 07:13:15 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 07:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Site update... Message-ID: ....the first time in bloody forever! http://www.simpits.org ...and yes, the image breaks the news border. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Mon May 7 12:32:34 2007 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Fly an F-4 sim, with a real F-4 crewmate! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <282094.76486.qm@web52003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Check it out!! http://dc8cockpit.catisp.com/index_028.htm Aviation Videos http://HeritageAviationVideos.fly.to/ DC-8 Simulator www.dc8cockpit.catisp.com F-4 Simulators www.Phantom.highspeedzone.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon May 7 20:29:57 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 20:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Slobberin' Wolfhounds Message-ID: http://www.slobberinwolfhounds.com/index.php?pid=cd975d79d4604b36377979466463adaa&parentid=i__617 Mario over at the Slobberin' Wolfhounds website has done an update featuring my cockpit. He's also got some new pictures of the half I didn't get. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Tue May 8 06:34:07 2007 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 09:34:07 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Slobberin' Wolfhounds Message-ID: <791665bbff274099a061c102c1c88a6c.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Pretty cool! I'm just wondering, though, it says the pilot was killed in a later crash attributed to "OBE." What exactly is that? I've not seen that acronym before. Brian >------- Original Message ------- >From : Gene Buckle[mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com] >Sent : 5/7/2007 11:29:57 PM >To : simpits-tech at simpits.org >Cc : >Subject : RE: [simpits-tech] Slobberin' Wolfhounds > > http://www.slobberinwolfhounds.com/index.php?pid=cd975d79d4604b36377979466463adaa&parentid=i__617 Mario over at the Slobberin' Wolfhounds website has done an update featuring my cockpit. He's also got some new pictures of the half I didn't get. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue May 8 07:28:02 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 07:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Slobberin' Wolfhounds In-Reply-To: <791665bbff274099a061c102c1c88a6c.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > I'm just wondering, though, it says the pilot was > killed in a later crash attributed to "OBE." What > exactly is that? I've not seen that acronym before. > OBE is Overcome By Events. From the context I've seen it used in other places, it basically means the jet got away from him and it killed him for his trouble. AFAIK, OBE was also the finding for the loss of '007, but I don't have the official conclusion from the accident report. The accident report I got from Wright-Pat (could've been Warner-Robbins) made no mention of WHY the accident happened - that is protected under privacy laws. The finding of fact in the report however, showed no pre-crash mechanical failures in the aircraft. That by itself screams "pilot error" or OBE. Always strive to stay one step ahead of the aircraft. If you get behind, it will likely be in a situation where you won't have the opportunity to catch up before you're turned into Pilot Pate'. Remeber, even a J3 can just barely kill you. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Fri May 11 08:11:39 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:11:39 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Doh... are stick pots 10k or 100k ? Message-ID: no reference of any kind with me and I just found a nice source of slide linear pots. are stick pots normally 10k or 100k ?? Roy. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Fri May 11 08:13:41 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:13:41 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Doh... are stick pots 10k or 100k ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 11 May 2007, Roy Coates wrote: > > > no reference of any kind with me and I just found a nice source of slide > linear pots. > > are stick pots normally 10k or 100k ?? > you're all too slow - I found it, 100k Cheers! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri May 11 11:09:03 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Doh... are stick pots 10k or 100k ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > no reference of any kind with me and I just found a nice source of slide > linear pots. > > are stick pots normally 10k or 100k ?? > They're 100k. Mount them slot-side down if they're not sealed. It'll help to keep dust & dirt out of them. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From allendc at qwest.net Fri May 11 12:14:39 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:14:39 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Doh... are stick pots 10k or 100k ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070511191455.5341253BFC0@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> Hi Roy 100K linear for R/C time constant HID 10K Linear for voltage divider boards like Phidgets David www.737FlightSim.com At 04:11 PM 5/11/2007 +0100, you wrote: >no reference of any kind with me and I just found a nice source of slide >linear pots. > >are stick pots normally 10k or 100k ?? > > > >Roy. > > >-- > >Roy Coates. >Dept of Engineering. >Liverpool University. >E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk >Tel: 0151 794 4862 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Fri May 11 11:57:50 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 19:57:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Doh... are stick pots 10k or 100k ? In-Reply-To: <20070511191455.5341253BFC0@mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 May 2007, David C. Allen wrote: > Hi Roy > > 100K linear for R/C time constant HID > > 10K Linear for voltage divider boards like Phidgets > Cheers David, I think I was suffering a little brain fade.. it is friday afternoon !! -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Fri May 11 11:58:26 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 19:58:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Doh... are stick pots 10k or 100k ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 11 May 2007, Gene Buckle wrote: > > are stick pots normally 10k or 100k ?? > > > > They're 100k. Mount them slot-side down if they're not sealed. It'll > help to keep dust & dirt out of them. Good point - noted. Last time I played with these I noticed a 'dead spot' caused by flex in the operating arm of the pot. Anyone else noticed this? -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Fri May 11 13:49:53 2007 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (sean.g at paradise.net.nz) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 08:49:53 +1200 (NZST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Doh... are stick pots 10k or 100k ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1178916593.4644d6f19a2a6@www.paradise.net.nz> Quoting Roy Coates : > On Fri, 11 May 2007, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > > are stick pots normally 10k or 100k ?? > > > > > > > They're 100k. Mount them slot-side down if they're not sealed. It'll > > help to keep dust & dirt out of them. > > Good point - noted. Another good idea is to put them into a rubber baloon, cutting away just enough to allow for the moving bits to, err.. *move* A little trick I learned from working with electrical components in and around oils and dirt :) SeanG From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Fri May 11 20:07:21 2007 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Fly an F-4 sim, with a real F-4 instructor! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <407634.29865.qm@web52006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> On a side note, there will be lots of other activities at PhanCon other than the sims, such as a guided tour of the F-16 and JSF assembly lines. http://dc8cockpit.catisp.com/index_028.htm ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 From geneb at deltasoft.com Sat May 12 00:13:56 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 00:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) Message-ID: Here's an email I got today. Please contact Ronda directly if you're interested: Her email address is rberkeley at lmnotv.com g. ------------------- Dear Gene I am working on a new television series for HGTV called Man Land. It is about places in the home that men carve out for themselves such as the shed, basement, attic or garage in order to house their passion project - in the case of you and your colleagues, I'm looking for a home flight simulator. Here is how we are describing the program: Man Land, a new series for HGTV is about places in the home that men carve out for themselves such as the shed, basement, attic or garage. We are looking for rooms and spaces that men have turned into temples of Maleness, Mecca's of Macho, in short, Man Land. We'll explore this private world and also talk to the women who live just outside these caves. We'll find out what they think and see how their relationships have gotten better...or worse because of Man Land. Simply, we are looking for guy-spaces that look really cool, are really outrageous and really unique. If we are wowed by your Man Land, we would come out with a small crew (4-6 people) for one day. Our shoots are easy-going and fun. We would profile the room, talk to the man who built it about his inspiration for the room and how he put it together. We also would want to talk to the woman in his life about what it is like having a Man Land in their house. Can you help me to get the word out to your colleagues? I am looking for guys who have outfitted the ultimate home flight simulator to appear on our show. Please have any interested pilots contact me at 8183824312 or write me at this email address. Thanks so much for your help. You have a great site! Ronda Berkeley LMNO Productions 8183824312 -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From idekkers at gmail.com Sat May 12 07:39:24 2007 From: idekkers at gmail.com (Ido Dekkers) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 17:39:24 +0300 Subject: [simpits-tech] Doh... are stick pots 10k or 100k ? In-Reply-To: <1178916593.4644d6f19a2a6@www.paradise.net.nz> References: <1178916593.4644d6f19a2a6@www.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <39e5de8d0705120739s20b2320fk114454be2d8ac8e@mail.gmail.com> doesn't the balloon create static ? On 5/11/07, sean.g at paradise.net.nz wrote: > > Quoting Roy Coates : > > > On Fri, 11 May 2007, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > > > > are stick pots normally 10k or 100k ?? > > > > > > > > > > They're 100k. Mount them slot-side down if they're not sealed. It'll > > > help to keep dust & dirt out of them. > > > > Good point - noted. > > Another good idea is to put them into a rubber baloon, cutting away just > enough > to allow for the moving bits to, err.. *move* A little trick I learned > from > working with electrical components in and around oils and dirt :) > > SeanG > > _______________________________________________ > Simpits-tech mailing list > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above > page. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070512/03d501e9/attachment.html From cyplesma at aol.com Sat May 12 08:20:39 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:20:39 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Doh... are stick pots 10k or 100k ? In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0705120739s20b2320fk114454be2d8ac8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1178916593.4644d6f19a2a6@www.paradise.net.nz> <39e5de8d0705120739s20b2320fk114454be2d8ac8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C962C03B5B26CF-EF4-11536@FWM-D27.sysops.aol.com> another trick I've seen is use heat shrink tube, don't shrink it, just cut small slot for the stick, glue it there. slice the tube open on the other side and wrap it around the slider case. let the tube go back and forth with the stick (a little vasaline where the tube actually makes contact with the slide case, clearance for the tube at the ends of the slider is key with this trick though. -----Original Message----- From: idekkers at gmail.com To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Sent: Sat, 12 May 2007 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Doh... are stick pots 10k or 100k ? doesn't the balloon create static ? On 5/11/07, sean.g at paradise.net.nz < sean.g at paradise.net.nz> wrote:Quoting Roy Coates < roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk>: > On Fri, 11 May 2007, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > > are stick pots normally 10k or 100k ?? > > > > > > > They're 100k. Mount them slot-side down if they're not sealed. It'll > > help to keep dust & dirt out of them. > > Good point - noted. Another good idea is to put them into a rubber baloon, cutting away just enough to allow for the moving bits to, err.. *move* A little trick I learned from working with electrical components in and around oils and dirt :) SeanG _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070512/e60acc1d/attachment-0001.html From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Sat May 12 18:15:41 2007 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (sean.g at paradise.net.nz) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 13:15:41 +1200 (NZST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Doh... are stick pots 10k or 100k ? In-Reply-To: <39e5de8d0705120739s20b2320fk114454be2d8ac8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1178916593.4644d6f19a2a6@www.paradise.net.nz> <39e5de8d0705120739s20b2320fk114454be2d8ac8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1179018941.464666bd009af@www.paradise.net.nz> Hmm, not something I ever thought of... I've had no problems with it though. Take from that what you want :) SeanG Quoting Ido Dekkers : > doesn't the balloon create static ? > > On 5/11/07, sean.g at paradise.net.nz wrote: > > > > Quoting Roy Coates : > > > > > On Fri, 11 May 2007, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > > > > > > are stick pots normally 10k or 100k ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're 100k. Mount them slot-side down if they're not sealed. > It'll > > > > help to keep dust & dirt out of them. > > > > > > Good point - noted. > > > > Another good idea is to put them into a rubber baloon, cutting away > just > > enough > > to allow for the moving bits to, err.. *move* A little trick I > learned > > from > > working with electrical components in and around oils and dirt :) > > > > SeanG > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simpits-tech mailing list > > Simpits-tech at simpits.org > > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > above > > page. Thanks! > > > From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Sun May 13 13:40:44 2007 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 16:40:44 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) Message-ID: <2bc6256f1cc64ed08b87beb886450467.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> How is it that she knows of your existence, and yet is still searching? I can't imagine the combination of your shop and a real F-15 cockpit section not being "Man Land" enough! R) R) >------- Original Message ------- >From : Gene Buckle[mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com] >Sent : 5/12/2007 3:13:56 AM >To : simpits-tech at simpits.org >Cc : >Subject : RE: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) > >Here's an email I got today. Please contact Ronda directly if you're interested: Her email address is rberkeley at lmnotv.com g. ------------------- Dear Gene I am working on a new television series for HGTV called Man Land. It is about places in the home that men carve out for themselves such as the shed, basement, attic or garage in order to house their passion project - in the case of you and your colleagues, I'm looking for a home flight simulator. Here is how we are describing the program: Man Land, a new series for HGTV is about places in the home that men carve out for themselves such as the shed, basement, attic or garage. We are looking for rooms and spaces that men have turned into temples of Maleness, Mecca's of Macho, in short, Man Land. We'll explore this private world and also talk to the women who live just outside these caves. We'll find out what they think and see how their relationships have gotten better...or worse because of Man Land. Simply, we are looking for guy-spaces that look really cool, are really outrageous and really unique. If we are wowed by your Man Land, we would come out with a small crew (4-6 people) for one day. Our shoots are easy-going and fun. We would profile the room, talk to the man who built it about his inspiration for the room and how he put it together. We also would want to talk to the woman in his life about what it is like having a Man Land in their house. Can you help me to get the word out to your colleagues? I am looking for guys who have outfitted the ultimate home flight simulator to appear on our show. Please have any interested pilots contact me at 8183824312 or write me at this email address. Thanks so much for your help. You have a great site! Ronda Berkeley LMNO Productions 8183824312 -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From allendc at qwest.net Sun May 13 13:49:38 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 14:49:38 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) In-Reply-To: <2bc6256f1cc64ed08b87beb886450467.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <2bc6256f1cc64ed08b87beb886450467.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: <20070513204948.99BB022DE66@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Brian That's because Gene is "MLIT" Man Land In Training This title has been issued because his shop is not finished and the appreciate Man Land documents have not been signed and properly displayed for ML occupancy. David www.737FlightSim.com without any ML or MLIT At 04:40 PM 5/13/2007 -0400, you wrote: >How is it that she knows of your existence, and yet >is still searching? > >I can't imagine the combination of your shop and a >real F-15 cockpit section not being "Man Land" >enough! R) R) > > > > >------- Original Message ------- > >From : Gene Buckle[mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com] > >Sent : 5/12/2007 3:13:56 AM > >To : simpits-tech at simpits.org > >Cc : > >Subject : RE: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim >related) > > > >Here's an email I got today. Please contact Ronda >directly if you're >interested: > >Her email address is rberkeley at lmnotv.com > >g. > >------------------- > >Dear Gene > >I am working on a new television series for HGTV >called Man Land. It is >about places in the home that men carve out for >themselves such as the >shed, >basement, attic or garage in order to house their >passion project - in the >case of you and your colleagues, I'm looking for a >home flight simulator. > >Here is how we are describing the program: > >Man Land, a new series for HGTV is about places in >the home that men carve >out for themselves such as the shed, basement, attic >or garage. We are >looking for rooms and spaces that men have turned >into temples of >Maleness, >Mecca's of Macho, in short, Man Land. We'll explore >this private world >and >also talk to the women who live just outside these >caves. We'll find out >what they think and see how their relationships have >gotten better...or >worse because of Man Land. > >Simply, we are looking for guy-spaces that look >really cool, are really >outrageous and really unique. If we are wowed by >your Man Land, we would >come out with a small crew (4-6 people) for one day. >Our shoots are >easy-going and fun. We would profile the room, talk >to the man who built >it >about his inspiration for the room and how he put it >together. We also >would want to talk to the woman in his life about >what it is like having a >Man Land in their house. > >Can you help me to get the word out to your >colleagues? I am looking for >guys who have outfitted the ultimate home flight >simulator to appear on >our >show. > >Please have any interested pilots contact me at >8183824312 or write me at >this email address. > >Thanks so much for your help. You have a great site! > >Ronda Berkeley >LMNO Productions >8183824312 > >-- >"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" > >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the >bottom of the above page. Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil Sun May 13 14:45:30 2007 From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 17:45:30 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll Message-ID: <2192fb68a8dd4a57a4ae47ba8000c12f.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Just a simple question, out of curiosity. What sorts of things do you desire (or need) for your pit, which is not available? AKA you have to do without, or make yourself? Could be anything, a switch, handle, electronics, whatever. Personally pretty much nothing is available for my pit, I'm just wondering what sorts of other things people have trouble getting their hands on. Brian From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Sun May 13 16:24:43 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:24:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) In-Reply-To: <2bc6256f1cc64ed08b87beb886450467.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 May 2007, Brian Sikkema wrote: > How is it that she knows of your existence, and yet > is still searching? > > I can't imagine the combination of your shop and a > real F-15 cockpit section not being "Man Land" > enough! R) R) *sigh* is gene wearing pink again ? -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Sun May 13 16:25:46 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:25:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll In-Reply-To: <2192fb68a8dd4a57a4ae47ba8000c12f.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 May 2007, Brian Sikkema wrote: > Just a simple question, out of curiosity. What sorts > of things do you desire (or need) for your pit, which > is not available? AKA you have to do without, or make > yourself? > > Could be anything, a switch, handle, electronics, > whatever. Personally pretty much nothing is available > for my pit, I'm just wondering what sorts of other > things people have trouble getting their hands on. A gear handle. I'd love a proper pull-to-operate gear handle but can't find one and don't have the kit to make a decent one. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From allendc at qwest.net Sun May 13 17:46:32 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:46:32 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll In-Reply-To: <2192fb68a8dd4a57a4ae47ba8000c12f.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <2192fb68a8dd4a57a4ae47ba8000c12f.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: <20070514004643.7FB181A99FB@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> Ok I am ready to be laughed off the planet >:-} How about a usb to synchro interface that can drive real instruments, and the software that can talk with MSFS SimConnect. David www.737FlightSim.com At 05:45 PM 5/13/2007 -0400, you wrote: >Just a simple question, out of curiosity. What sorts >of things do you desire (or need) for your pit, which >is not available? AKA you have to do without, or make >yourself? > >Could be anything, a switch, handle, electronics, >whatever. Personally pretty much nothing is available >for my pit, I'm just wondering what sorts of other >things people have trouble getting their hands on. > >Brian > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun May 13 19:24:47 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 19:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) In-Reply-To: <2bc6256f1cc64ed08b87beb886450467.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: > How is it that she knows of your existence, and yet > is still searching? > > I can't imagine the combination of your shop and a > real F-15 cockpit section not being "Man Land" > enough! R) R) > I would imagine that she may not think where I'm at right now is "visual" enough for the target audience. Remember, nothing works right now, it's just a pile of parts. :) Guys like Matt Ford, James Price, Matt Weitlispach and our own Justin Messenger have far more complete setups than I do. (Roy has the market cornered in the UK) My wife thinks it's funny as hell and she's up for it. If they want to send a crew out I certainly won't tell them no, but it'll mean Rob and I have to start lighting some fires to get things organized. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun May 13 19:29:36 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 19:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) In-Reply-To: <20070513204948.99BB022DE66@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: > That's because Gene is "MLIT" > > Man Land In Training > > This title has been issued because his shop is not finished and the > appreciate Man Land documents have not been signed and properly > displayed for ML occupancy. > *rofl* That's _technically_ no longer the case David. We got two more cabinets hung yesterday and today I got the hinges I needed to complete the last three. We also got the mahogany trim installed on the bench and I put the first coat of laquer on this morning. I'll post pics in a day or so. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Sun May 13 19:31:46 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 19:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > How is it that she knows of your existence, and yet > > is still searching? > > > > I can't imagine the combination of your shop and a > > real F-15 cockpit section not being "Man Land" > > enough! R) R) > > > > *sigh* is gene wearing pink again ? > *boggle* Ok Roy, that's it. I'm posting shop pics JUST to make you sob like a little girl. Ptttht. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net Sun May 13 19:45:34 2007 From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 21:45:34 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll In-Reply-To: <20070514004643.7FB181A99FB@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> References: <2192fb68a8dd4a57a4ae47ba8000c12f.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> <20070514004643.7FB181A99FB@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <001301c795d1$f28dc7f0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Close, but Mike Powell will have a book out shortly that will have a Digital to Synchro converter circuit. It's designed to run off the serial port, but the are chips out there you could sub in that will convert the serial signal to a USB. I've reviewed this chapter and it is chock full of stuff we will drool over. I will probably lay this circuit out and make some pro boards as well so building this sucker shouldn't be too bad. Software, can't help you on that one. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 7:47 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll Ok I am ready to be laughed off the planet >:-} How about a usb to synchro interface that can drive real instruments, and the software that can talk with MSFS SimConnect. David www.737FlightSim.com At 05:45 PM 5/13/2007 -0400, you wrote: >Just a simple question, out of curiosity. What sorts >of things do you desire (or need) for your pit, which >is not available? AKA you have to do without, or make >yourself? > >Could be anything, a switch, handle, electronics, >whatever. Personally pretty much nothing is available >for my pit, I'm just wondering what sorts of other >things people have trouble getting their hands on. > >Brian > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From allendc at qwest.net Sun May 13 20:00:29 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 21:00:29 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll In-Reply-To: <001301c795d1$f28dc7f0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> References: <2192fb68a8dd4a57a4ae47ba8000c12f.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> <20070514004643.7FB181A99FB@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> <001301c795d1$f28dc7f0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Message-ID: <20070514030048.87E9662D6FB@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> Hi Jay If you want to sell a few boards I could use four!. Two each for the flaps gauge (Right/Left) Two each for Engine Bleed PSI gauge (Eng1/Eng2) David www.737FlightSim.com At 09:45 PM 5/13/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Close, but Mike Powell will have a book out shortly that will have a Digital >to Synchro converter circuit. It's designed to run off the serial port, but >the are chips out there you could sub in that will convert the serial signal >to a USB. I've reviewed this chapter and it is chock full of stuff we will >drool over. I will probably lay this circuit out and make some pro boards >as well so building this sucker shouldn't be too bad. > >Software, can't help you on that one. > >Jay > >-----Original Message----- >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen >Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 7:47 PM >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll > >Ok I am ready to be laughed off the planet >:-} > >How about a usb to synchro interface that can drive real instruments, >and the software that can talk with MSFS SimConnect. > >David >www.737FlightSim.com > > > > > > >At 05:45 PM 5/13/2007 -0400, you wrote: > >Just a simple question, out of curiosity. What sorts > >of things do you desire (or need) for your pit, which > >is not available? AKA you have to do without, or make > >yourself? > > > >Could be anything, a switch, handle, electronics, > >whatever. Personally pretty much nothing is available > >for my pit, I'm just wondering what sorts of other > >things people have trouble getting their hands on. > > > >Brian > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Simpits-tech mailing list > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > >above page. Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. >Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net Sun May 13 21:49:07 2007 From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 23:49:07 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll In-Reply-To: <20070514030048.87E9662D6FB@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> References: <2192fb68a8dd4a57a4ae47ba8000c12f.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil><20070514004643.7FB181A99FB@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><001301c795d1$f28dc7f0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> <20070514030048.87E9662D6FB@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <002e01c795e3$3697a090$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> David, the book isn't published yet so the circuit is still not officially released. I have asked Mike about making and selling these and he gave me his blessing. Since his design will come from the book, I will sell the boards at cost. Not right for me to make money off his design. Plus, he told me he was making some tweaks to the design so I'll wait for the official version. There is also a circuit for building your own 400Hz power supply for 26v and 115v supplies. 25W IIRC. This book will be the bible of home pit building. Just the couple chapters I've reviewed for him are incredible. He even includes code for driving a lot of these so if you have any programming knowledge, this book will just about lay it all out there for you. Out of curiosity, what do these gauges look like? Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 10:00 PM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll Hi Jay If you want to sell a few boards I could use four!. Two each for the flaps gauge (Right/Left) Two each for Engine Bleed PSI gauge (Eng1/Eng2) David www.737FlightSim.com At 09:45 PM 5/13/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Close, but Mike Powell will have a book out shortly that will have a Digital >to Synchro converter circuit. It's designed to run off the serial port, but >the are chips out there you could sub in that will convert the serial signal >to a USB. I've reviewed this chapter and it is chock full of stuff we will >drool over. I will probably lay this circuit out and make some pro boards >as well so building this sucker shouldn't be too bad. > >Software, can't help you on that one. > >Jay > >-----Original Message----- >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen >Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 7:47 PM >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll > >Ok I am ready to be laughed off the planet >:-} > >How about a usb to synchro interface that can drive real instruments, >and the software that can talk with MSFS SimConnect. > >David >www.737FlightSim.com > > > > > > >At 05:45 PM 5/13/2007 -0400, you wrote: > >Just a simple question, out of curiosity. What sorts > >of things do you desire (or need) for your pit, which > >is not available? AKA you have to do without, or make > >yourself? > > > >Could be anything, a switch, handle, electronics, > >whatever. Personally pretty much nothing is available > >for my pit, I'm just wondering what sorts of other > >things people have trouble getting their hands on. > > > >Brian > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Simpits-tech mailing list > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > >above page. Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. >Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From allendc at qwest.net Sun May 13 22:05:28 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 23:05:28 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll In-Reply-To: <002e01c795e3$3697a090$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> References: <2192fb68a8dd4a57a4ae47ba8000c12f.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> <20070514004643.7FB181A99FB@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> <001301c795d1$f28dc7f0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> <20070514030048.87E9662D6FB@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> <002e01c795e3$3697a090$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Message-ID: <20070514050548.9831022DC30@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Hi Jay That's sounds fair! They are both Dual Pointer Bleed Pressure is the light gray panel on the right side about 3/4 the way down a dual concentric 2 inch round gauge. http://www.b737.org.uk/paneloverhead_737-700.jpg I don't have a close up of the flaps gauge but it is also a dual concentric 2 inch round gauge. David www.737FlightSim.com At 11:49 PM 5/13/2007 -0500, you wrote: >David, the book isn't published yet so the circuit is still not officially >released. I have asked Mike about making and selling these and he gave me >his blessing. Since his design will come from the book, I will sell the >boards at cost. Not right for me to make money off his design. Plus, he >told me he was making some tweaks to the design so I'll wait for the >official version. There is also a circuit for building your own 400Hz power >supply for 26v and 115v supplies. 25W IIRC. This book will be the bible of >home pit building. Just the couple chapters I've reviewed for him are >incredible. He even includes code for driving a lot of these so if you have >any programming knowledge, this book will just about lay it all out there >for you. > >Out of curiosity, what do these gauges look like? > >Jay > >-----Original Message----- >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen >Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 10:00 PM >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll > >Hi Jay >If you want to sell a few boards I could use four!. > >Two each for the flaps gauge (Right/Left) > >Two each for Engine Bleed PSI gauge (Eng1/Eng2) > >David >www.737FlightSim.com > >At 09:45 PM 5/13/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >Close, but Mike Powell will have a book out shortly that will have a >Digital > >to Synchro converter circuit. It's designed to run off the serial port, >but > >the are chips out there you could sub in that will convert the serial >signal > >to a USB. I've reviewed this chapter and it is chock full of stuff we will > >drool over. I will probably lay this circuit out and make some pro boards > >as well so building this sucker shouldn't be too bad. > > > >Software, can't help you on that one. > > > >Jay > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen > >Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 7:47 PM > >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll > > > >Ok I am ready to be laughed off the planet >:-} > > > >How about a usb to synchro interface that can drive real instruments, > >and the software that can talk with MSFS SimConnect. > > > >David > >www.737FlightSim.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > >At 05:45 PM 5/13/2007 -0400, you wrote: > > >Just a simple question, out of curiosity. What sorts > > >of things do you desire (or need) for your pit, which > > >is not available? AKA you have to do without, or make > > >yourself? > > > > > >Could be anything, a switch, handle, electronics, > > >whatever. Personally pretty much nothing is available > > >for my pit, I'm just wondering what sorts of other > > >things people have trouble getting their hands on. > > > > > >Brian > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Simpits-tech mailing list > > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > > >above page. Thanks! > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Simpits-tech mailing list > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. > >Thanks! > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Simpits-tech mailing list > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > >above page. 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From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net Sun May 13 22:22:13 2007 From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:22:13 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll In-Reply-To: <20070514050548.9831022DC30@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> References: <2192fb68a8dd4a57a4ae47ba8000c12f.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil><20070514004643.7FB181A99FB@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net><001301c795d1$f28dc7f0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice><20070514030048.87E9662D6FB@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net><002e01c795e3$3697a090$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> <20070514050548.9831022DC30@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: <004001c795e7$d48af910$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> I've got one of those in the 16, fuel gauge is a dual concentric pointer. I might cheat and go 7 seg for that until I have enough time to work on getting that bad boy to work and then swap it out. I got all the parts cut for my pit on a waterjet about a month ago, but just haven't had any bloody time to get out into the garage and start building. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 12:05 AM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll Hi Jay That's sounds fair! They are both Dual Pointer Bleed Pressure is the light gray panel on the right side about 3/4 the way down a dual concentric 2 inch round gauge. http://www.b737.org.uk/paneloverhead_737-700.jpg I don't have a close up of the flaps gauge but it is also a dual concentric 2 inch round gauge. David www.737FlightSim.com At 11:49 PM 5/13/2007 -0500, you wrote: >David, the book isn't published yet so the circuit is still not officially >released. I have asked Mike about making and selling these and he gave me >his blessing. Since his design will come from the book, I will sell the >boards at cost. Not right for me to make money off his design. Plus, he >told me he was making some tweaks to the design so I'll wait for the >official version. There is also a circuit for building your own 400Hz power >supply for 26v and 115v supplies. 25W IIRC. This book will be the bible of >home pit building. Just the couple chapters I've reviewed for him are >incredible. He even includes code for driving a lot of these so if you have >any programming knowledge, this book will just about lay it all out there >for you. > >Out of curiosity, what do these gauges look like? > >Jay > >-----Original Message----- >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen >Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 10:00 PM >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll > >Hi Jay >If you want to sell a few boards I could use four!. > >Two each for the flaps gauge (Right/Left) > >Two each for Engine Bleed PSI gauge (Eng1/Eng2) > >David >www.737FlightSim.com > >At 09:45 PM 5/13/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >Close, but Mike Powell will have a book out shortly that will have a >Digital > >to Synchro converter circuit. It's designed to run off the serial port, >but > >the are chips out there you could sub in that will convert the serial >signal > >to a USB. I've reviewed this chapter and it is chock full of stuff we will > >drool over. I will probably lay this circuit out and make some pro boards > >as well so building this sucker shouldn't be too bad. > > > >Software, can't help you on that one. > > > >Jay > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org > >[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of David C. Allen > >Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 7:47 PM > >To: Simulator Cockpit tech list > >Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll > > > >Ok I am ready to be laughed off the planet >:-} > > > >How about a usb to synchro interface that can drive real instruments, > >and the software that can talk with MSFS SimConnect. > > > >David > >www.737FlightSim.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > >At 05:45 PM 5/13/2007 -0400, you wrote: > > >Just a simple question, out of curiosity. What sorts > > >of things do you desire (or need) for your pit, which > > >is not available? AKA you have to do without, or make > > >yourself? > > > > > >Could be anything, a switch, handle, electronics, > > >whatever. Personally pretty much nothing is available > > >for my pit, I'm just wondering what sorts of other > > >things people have trouble getting their hands on. > > > > > >Brian > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Simpits-tech mailing list > > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > > >above page. Thanks! > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Simpits-tech mailing list > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above >page. > >Thanks! > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Simpits-tech mailing list > >Simpits-tech at simpits.org > >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech > >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the > >above page. Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. >Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From rhommel at mad.scientist.com Sun May 13 22:23:53 2007 From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com (Rob Hommel) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:23:53 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) Message-ID: <20070514052353.4B1B916402E@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Light some fires hell, we would need to have a forest fire. Gene and I looked about the shop this weekend and said "we could do it but it would require 8 hours plus a day for the next month to get things ready in the existing shop. We currently work on the shop and projects one day a week so we get a lot done in a day folks, I know it seems like we are taking forever but what did you do last Saturday? Genes' wife refers to the shop as the "Man Shed" and has for some time. I hate the name myself. The floor in the "barn" is down adding an additional 600 sq ft. of work space for the future, no walls as of yet. We are looking at pouring something in the neighborhood of 10 cu yds of concrete this summer to increase the barns work space by another 600 plus sq ft. The wooden floored portion of the "barn" will then house the wood working tools, the concrete floored area we hope to use as a paint/assembly area and possible area for a vacuum forming machine, which I still need to design and construct. The "Man Shed" has three more cabinets to finish and hang, we did not have enough hinges this past week-end to complete. Then there are tasks like under cabinet lighting, peg board and shelving to install over the work benches. We have in mind a tool storage cabinet and bookcase to design and build still as well. When you consider the shear number of hand tools owned by Gene and myself storage is a problem, we on occasion have multiple duplicates of tools. I have one tool box that contains noting but screwdrivers, stop and think about that folks a whole tool box dedicated to nothing but screwdrivers. We glanced about at sanders in the shop this weekend and we decided that we could fill one cabinet with electric sanders alone and still have excess that would need to be placed elsewhere. We could fill another cabinet with battery operated drills and still have overflow as well. We need to consider the construction of a charging bench for all of the battery operated items, not just tools, toys as well. The electric RC aircraft demand a charging station as well. We will go ahead at this time and place the metal lathe and box brake on the work bench as other construction needs demand time for them first. The benches for these two items require special attention. The barn structure as I said has a wooden floor now. I am hoping on getting started on this structure soon building some walls on two exterior sides of the structure and getting a roof over the projected new area this summer. This summer will also see the moving of the air compressor outside in a small shed of its own, thats yet another project, Gene and I poured the concrete floor for that just two weeks ago. At some point we have to get around to finishing the foam cutting bench, it's ninety percent complete. It's going to make some folks very jealous. Oh, did I mention finish an F-15C cockpit flight simulator. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 19:24:47 -0700 (PDT) > How is it that she knows of your existence, and yet > is still searching? > > I can't imagine the combination of your shop and a > real F-15 cockpit section not being "Man Land" > enough! R) R) > I would imagine that she may not think where I'm at right now is "visual" enough for the target audience. Remember, nothing works right now, it's just a pile of parts. :) Guys like Matt Ford, James Price, Matt Weitlispach and our own Justin Messenger have far more complete setups than I do. (Roy has the market cornered in the UK) My wife thinks it's funny as hell and she's up for it. If they want to send a crew out I certainly won't tell them no, but it'll mean Rob and I have to start lighting some fires to get things organized. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! = Hurricane Roll Shutters, Accordions Hurricane shutters, rolling shutters, accordions, storm panels and other products. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=8495a62e6dbc71261dcd3c9ac3250199 From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net Sun May 13 22:26:11 2007 From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:26:11 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) In-Reply-To: <20070514052353.4B1B916402E@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070514052353.4B1B916402E@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <004101c795e8$6296a6a0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Jesus, why didn't you just build a hanger and be done with it? Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Rob Hommel Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 12:24 AM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) Light some fires hell, we would need to have a forest fire. Gene and I looked about the shop this weekend and said "we could do it but it would require 8 hours plus a day for the next month to get things ready in the existing shop. We currently work on the shop and projects one day a week so we get a lot done in a day folks, I know it seems like we are taking forever but what did you do last Saturday? Genes' wife refers to the shop as the "Man Shed" and has for some time. I hate the name myself. The floor in the "barn" is down adding an additional 600 sq ft. of work space for the future, no walls as of yet. We are looking at pouring something in the neighborhood of 10 cu yds of concrete this summer to increase the barns work space by another 600 plus sq ft. The wooden floored portion of the "barn" will then house the wood working tools, the concrete floored area we hope to use as a paint/assembly area and possible area for a vacuum forming machine, which I still need to design and construct. The "Man Shed" has three more cabinets to finish and hang, we did not have enough hinges this past week-end to complete. Then there are tasks like under cabinet lighting, peg board and shelving to install over the work benches. We have in mind a tool storage cabinet and bookcase to design and build still as well. When you consider the shear number of hand tools owned by Gene and myself storage is a problem, we on occasion have multiple duplicates of tools. I have one tool box that contains noting but screwdrivers, stop and think about that folks a whole tool box dedicated to nothing but screwdrivers. We glanced about at sanders in the shop this weekend and we decided that we could fill one cabinet with electric sanders alone and still have excess that would need to be placed elsewhere. We could fill another cabinet with battery operated drills and still have overflow as well. We need to consider the construction of a charging bench for all of the battery operated items, not just tools, toys as well. The electric RC aircraft demand a charging station as well. We will go ahead at this time and place the metal lathe and box brake on the work bench as other construction needs demand time for them first. The benches for these two items require special attention. The barn structure as I said has a wooden floor now. I am hoping on getting started on this structure soon building some walls on two exterior sides of the structure and getting a roof over the projected new area this summer. This summer will also see the moving of the air compressor outside in a small shed of its own, thats yet another project, Gene and I poured the concrete floor for that just two weeks ago. At some point we have to get around to finishing the foam cutting bench, it's ninety percent complete. It's going to make some folks very jealous. Oh, did I mention finish an F-15C cockpit flight simulator. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 19:24:47 -0700 (PDT) > How is it that she knows of your existence, and yet > is still searching? > > I can't imagine the combination of your shop and a > real F-15 cockpit section not being "Man Land" > enough! R) R) > I would imagine that she may not think where I'm at right now is "visual" enough for the target audience. Remember, nothing works right now, it's just a pile of parts. :) Guys like Matt Ford, James Price, Matt Weitlispach and our own Justin Messenger have far more complete setups than I do. (Roy has the market cornered in the UK) My wife thinks it's funny as hell and she's up for it. If they want to send a crew out I certainly won't tell them no, but it'll mean Rob and I have to start lighting some fires to get things organized. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! = Hurricane Roll Shutters, Accordions Hurricane shutters, rolling shutters, accordions, storm panels and other products. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=8495a62e6dbc71261dcd3c9a c3250199 _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Mon May 14 03:08:32 2007 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:08:32 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll In-Reply-To: <2192fb68a8dd4a57a4ae47ba8000c12f.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> References: <2192fb68a8dd4a57a4ae47ba8000c12f.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil> Message-ID: <0JI100JQU07L0Y30@smtp4.clear.net.nz> At 09:45 a.m. 14/05/2007, you wrote: >Just a simple question, out of curiosity. What sorts >of things do you desire (or need) for your pit, which >is not available? AKA you have to do without, or make >yourself? For my A-4 'pit I am still looking for a reasonably priced, plug and pray altimeter... I have the rest of the gauges and interfacing sorted, the altimeter is the only thing I can't figure how to drive easily and cheaply.... SeanG From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon May 14 07:04:36 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 07:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll In-Reply-To: <001301c795d1$f28dc7f0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Message-ID: > Close, but Mike Powell will have a book out shortly that will have a Digital > to Synchro converter circuit. It's designed to run off the serial port, but > the are chips out there you could sub in that will convert the serial signal > to a USB. I've reviewed this chapter and it is chock full of stuff we will > drool over. I will probably lay this circuit out and make some pro boards > as well so building this sucker shouldn't be too bad. > ...and that's a board run I want in on. :) I've got to use them to drive my ADI and my HSI. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon May 14 07:12:18 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 07:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) In-Reply-To: <004101c795e8$6296a6a0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 May 2007, Joseph Fagner wrote: > Jesus, why didn't you just build a hanger and be done with it? > Try building _anything_ when you're bordered on two sides by a posted wetland. I originally planned for a 50x50 behind the house, but I couldn't build within 200' of the wetland, so that pretty much killed that. The hoops I had to leap through to get the permits for the shop that eventually got built were a nightmare. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net Mon May 14 07:02:46 2007 From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 09:02:46 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll In-Reply-To: References: <001301c795d1$f28dc7f0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Message-ID: <002f01c79630$8d458a90$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> I'm in the same boat there as well on the ADI and Hsi. Jay -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:05 AM To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll > Close, but Mike Powell will have a book out shortly that will have a Digital > to Synchro converter circuit. It's designed to run off the serial port, but > the are chips out there you could sub in that will convert the serial signal > to a USB. I've reviewed this chapter and it is chock full of stuff we will > drool over. I will probably lay this circuit out and make some pro boards > as well so building this sucker shouldn't be too bad. > ...and that's a board run I want in on. :) I've got to use them to drive my ADI and my HSI. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon May 14 07:18:27 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 07:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll In-Reply-To: <0JI100JQU07L0Y30@smtp4.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: > > For my A-4 'pit I am still looking for a reasonably priced, plug and > pray altimeter... I have the rest of the gauges and interfacing > sorted, the altimeter is the only thing I can't figure how to drive > easily and cheaply.... > Sean, have you checked out the Simkits altimeters? g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon May 14 07:34:15 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:34:15 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 13 May 2007, Gene Buckle wrote: > Guys like Matt Ford, James Price, Matt Weitlispach and our own Justin > Messenger have far more complete setups than I do. (Roy has the market > cornered in the UK) Heh.. seen my newest toy? Head over to http://jetstream-club.org and click on the link for the Bristol Britannia. Now THAT is a man shed! :-) -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon May 14 07:34:48 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:34:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 13 May 2007, Gene Buckle wrote: > > *sigh* is gene wearing pink again ? > > > > *boggle* > > Ok Roy, that's it. I'm posting shop pics JUST to make you sob like a > little girl. Ptttht. :) You don't frighten me. You just make me turn a little green.... -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cyplesma at aol.com Mon May 14 08:27:18 2007 From: cyplesma at aol.com (cyplesma at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 11:27:18 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) In-Reply-To: <20070514052353.4B1B916402E@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070514052353.4B1B916402E@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <8C964537E3CF562-10E4-39F4@WEBMAIL-RD14.sysops.aol.com> "Genes' wife refers to the shop as the "Man Shed" and has for some time. " I drive by a house that used to have a fithwheel camper parked in the driveay that said "Dad's Doghouse" on it. I have to say I don't like either name. but I'd go with the Man Shed over doghouse anyday. 8 ) -----Original Message----- From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Sent: Mon, 14 May 2007 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) Light some fires hell, we would need to have a forest fire. Gene and I looked about the shop this weekend and said "we could do it but it would require 8 hours plus a day for the next month to get things ready in the existing shop. We currently work on the shop and projects one day a week so we get a lot done in a day folks, I know it seems like we are taking forever but what did you do last Saturday? Genes' wife refers to the shop as the "Man Shed" and has for some time. I hate the name myself. The floor in the "barn" is down adding an additional 600 sq ft. of work space for the future, no walls as of yet. We are looking at pouring something in the neighborhood of 10 cu yds of concrete this summer to increase the barns work space by another 600 plus sq ft. The wooden floored portion of the "barn" will then house the wood working tools, the concrete floored area we hope to use as a paint/assembly area and possible area for a vacuum forming machine, which I still need to design and construct. The "Man Shed" has three more cabinets to finish and hang, we did not have enough hinges this past week-end to complete. Then there are tasks like under cabinet lighting, peg board and shelving to install over the work benches. We have in mind a tool storage cabinet and bookcase to design and build still as well. When you consider the shear number of hand tools owned by Gene and myself storage is a problem, we on occasion have multiple duplicates of tools. I have one tool box that contains noting but screwdrivers, stop and think about that folks a whole tool box dedicated to nothing but screwdrivers. We glanced about at sanders in the shop this weekend and we decided that we could fill one cabinet with electric sanders alone and still have excess that would need to be placed elsewhere. We could fill another cabinet with battery operated drills and still have overflow as well. We need to consider the construction of a charging bench for all of the battery operated items, not just tools, toys as well. The electric RC aircraft demand a charging station as well. We will go ahead at this time and place the metal lathe and box brake on the work bench as other construction needs demand time for them first. The benches for these two items require special attention. The barn structure as I said has a wooden floor now. I am hoping on getting started on this structure soon building some walls on two exterior sides of the structure and getting a roof over the projected new area this summer. This summer will also see the moving of the air compressor outside in a small shed of its own, thats yet another project, Gene and I poured the concrete floor for that just two weeks ago. At some point we have to get around to finishing the foam cutting bench, it's ninety percent complete. It's going to make some folks very jealous. Oh, did I mention finish an F-15C cockpit flight simulator. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 19:24:47 -0700 (PDT) > How is it that she knows of your existence, and yet > is still searching? > > I can't imagine the combination of your shop and a > real F-15 cockpit section not being "Man Land" > enough! R) R) > I would imagine that she may not think where I'm at right now is "visual" enough for the target audience. Remember, nothing works right now, it's just a pile of parts. :) Guys like Matt Ford, James Price, Matt Weitlispach and our own Justin Messenger have far more complete setups than I do. (Roy has the market cornered in the UK) My wife thinks it's funny as hell and she's up for it. If they want to send a crew out I certainly won't tell them no, but it'll mean Rob and I have to start lighting some fires to get things organized. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! = Hurricane Roll Shutters, Accordions Hurricane shutters, rolling shutters, accordions, storm panels and other products. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=8495a62e6dbc71261dcd3c9ac3250199 _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070514/3197b115/attachment-0001.html From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon May 14 08:23:16 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 16:23:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Choosing Pots. Carbon or Plastic? Message-ID: Which would you choose for pit use? The plastic tracks are slightly dearer - does this mean they are better? -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From adm.design at verizon.net Mon May 14 08:57:43 2007 From: adm.design at verizon.net (Alan D. Mazurka) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 11:57:43 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) In-Reply-To: References: <004101c795e8$6296a6a0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice> Message-ID: <0JI1005MZJ567I44@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> hi, hmmmm, i'll bet you didn't have to drive down to your local cable company to fill a form to prove to the city that the chicken barn you wanted to tear down did not have cable TV. oh, yeah - i remember firing the guy who bid on tearing down said barn. about 3 months later, he appeared on TV. it seemed he was holding his wife & child involuntary captive for about 13 years & doing unspeakable things to them. sadly, the chickens in the barn had no idea. they didn't have cable TV, remember?? - adm - At 10:12 AM 5/14/2007, you wrote: >On Mon, 14 May 2007, Joseph Fagner wrote: > > > Jesus, why didn't you just build a hanger and be done with it? > > > >Try building _anything_ when you're bordered on two sides by a posted >wetland. I originally planned for a 50x50 behind the house, but I >couldn't build within 200' of the wetland, so that pretty much killed >that. The hoops I had to leap through to get the permits for the shop >that eventually got built were a nightmare. > >g. > > > > -- >"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" > >Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the >above page. Thanks! ---------- Alan D. Mazurka adm.design at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070514/ecfbccd6/attachment.html From allendc at qwest.net Mon May 14 10:03:32 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 11:03:32 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] Choosing Pots. Carbon or Plastic? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070514170411.8C6FE22E2E6@mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net> Check out the MAB25A 12 2410 http://www.megatron.de/Poti1/DB_MAB25A.pdf MEGATRON Elektronik AG & Co. ? GB MEGATRON Industriesensorik Hermann-Oberth-Strasse 7 ? D-85640 Putzbrunn/M?nchen Tel. 0 89 / 460 94-0 ? Fax 0 89 / 460 94-101 ? e-mail: sales at megatron.de ? www.megatron.de But if I had to choose between carbon or plastic I would go with the one with the higher life expectancy and the better linearity. David www.737FlightSim.com At 04:23 PM 5/14/2007 +0100, you wrote: >Which would you choose for pit use? The plastic tracks are slightly >dearer - does this mean they are better? > > > >-- > >Roy Coates. >Dept of Engineering. >Liverpool University. >E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk >Tel: 0151 794 4862 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >Simpits-tech mailing list >Simpits-tech at simpits.org >http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech >To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at >the bottom of the above page. Thanks! From dave_friend at tiscali.co.uk Mon May 14 10:08:41 2007 From: dave_friend at tiscali.co.uk (Dave) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:08:41 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org]On Behalf Of Gene Buckle Sent: 14 May 2007 03:25 To: Simulator Cockpit tech list Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) Guys like Matt Ford, James Price, Matt Weitlispach and our own Justin Messenger have far more complete setups than I do. (Roy has the market cornered in the UK) Roy has the market cornered in the UK both for completness and sheer number!!! Dave Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.5/793 - Release Date: 07/05/2007 14:55 From dave_friend at tiscali.co.uk Mon May 14 10:13:08 2007 From: dave_friend at tiscali.co.uk (Dave) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:13:08 +0100 Subject: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That's _technically_ no longer the case David. We got two more cabinets hung yesterday and today I got the hinges I needed to complete the last three. We also got the mahogany trim installed on the bench and I put the first coat of laquer on this morning. I'll post pics in a day or so. g. Mahogany trim!!! And you're using LACQUER. Pray what is wrong with French Polish. Dave Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.5/793 - Release Date: 07/05/2007 14:55 From rhommel at mad.scientist.com Mon May 14 11:05:20 2007 From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com (Rob Hommel) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:05:20 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) Message-ID: <20070514180520.4F27716427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> French polishing involves one factor that is very short supply, time the process involves much hand rubbing and the amount of time involved putting several layers of shellac. You end up with an incredible surface but this is a work bench not a piece of fine furniture. As it is I already have trouble with Gene, he about killed me after I put a wax on the work bench a couple of days ago to help protect it of course. He went to sand something and the work piece slid away from him as he was tring to sand it. Something about three or more layers of varnish then a waxed surface or something go figure. Do you think I am skating on thin ice with Gene? Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:13:08 +0100 That's _technically_ no longer the case David. We got two more cabinets hung yesterday and today I got the hinges I needed to complete the last three. We also got the mahogany trim installed on the bench and I put the first coat of laquer on this morning. I'll post pics in a day or so. g. Mahogany trim!!! And you're using LACQUER. Pray what is wrong with French Polish. Dave Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.5/793 - Release Date: 07/05/2007 14:55 _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! = Skillsoft e business Visit SkillSoft.com now and find corporate e-learning solutions. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=50c92db08570180ffa5eb9b37618338a From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon May 14 13:32:13 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:32:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 14 May 2007, Dave wrote: > Guys like Matt Ford, James Price, Matt Weitlispach and our own Justin > Messenger have far more complete setups than I do. (Roy has the market > cornered in the UK) > > > Roy has the market cornered in the UK both for completness and sheer > number!!! *gloat* -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon May 14 14:39:15 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 14:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Man Land?! (flight sim related) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Mahogany trim!!! > And you're using LACQUER. Pray what is wrong with French Polish. > They complain about splinters when I rub their head too hard along the trim. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Mon May 14 20:18:38 2007 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (sean.g at paradise.net.nz) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:18:38 +1200 (NZST) Subject: [simpits-tech] Pit Poll In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1179199118.4649268edb024@www.paradise.net.nz> Quoting Gene Buckle : > > > > For my A-4 'pit I am still looking for a reasonably priced, plug and > > pray altimeter... I have the rest of the gauges and interfacing > > sorted, the altimeter is the only thing I can't figure how to drive > > easily and cheaply.... > > > Sean, have you checked out the Simkits altimeters? > Yeah, but that would mean buying the CCU, which I can't justify for the one gauge. I am hanging out for them to do a stand-alone USB version..... SeanG From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon May 14 22:51:38 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] massive, unedited camera dump. Message-ID: The gallery covers December '06 to today. http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/shop_gallery The ambulance, etc. was from a rear-end collision right in front of my house. This is what happens when you're on a road with a 50MPH speed limit and don't pay attention when someone in front of you slows down. Stupid bint could've easily gotten her kids killed. The brake lock-up sound lasted a full two seconds before we heard the impact. The most recent photo are on pages 12 and 13. g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Mon May 14 23:55:46 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:55:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] massive, unedited camera dump. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 14 May 2007, Gene Buckle wrote: > The gallery covers December '06 to today. > > http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/shop_gallery > > The ambulance, etc. was from a rear-end collision right in front of my > house. This is what happens when you're on a road with a 50MPH speed > limit and don't pay attention when someone in front of you slows down. > Stupid bint could've easily gotten her kids killed. The brake lock-up > sound lasted a full two seconds before we heard the impact. > > The most recent photo are on pages 12 and 13. That's a fantastic space you've got there, it must be as much fun putting it all together as it will be using it! I'll look forward to the narrated version though. -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue May 15 07:02:25 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] massive, unedited camera dump. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > That's a fantastic space you've got there, it must be as much fun putting > it all together as it will be using it! > Thanks Roy. Right now it's more a pain than fun. I'm surrounded by the components and tools for projects I'd much rather be working on. :) There are three cabinets left to hang and then the space under the cabinets will be covered with pegboard. After that I'm going to hit it with a huge DONE stamp. I have two things left on the list - moving the air compressor outside and building a floor standing, two sided cabinet that will go between the ShopBot and the bench. > I'll look forward to the narrated version though. > I'll see what I can do. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue May 15 10:29:51 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] image descriptions... Message-ID: Image narration for Roy! :) Page 1 ------ Images 1 & 2 These are the first "real" parts that I cut on the ShopBot. They're two halves of a form that will be used (have been used?) to form an aluminum strip into the shape of the larger part. The part will end up as part of a 737 glareshield. The forms were made from 2x6 pine lumber. The red airplane on the wall is my GWS Slow Stik. It's been upgraded with an insanely over-powered brushless motor (3" takeoff rolls) and I use it for aerial photography Images 3 thru 11 This is the first of two work tables that I built. As you can see, the frame is WAY overbuilt. The top is a 4x8 sheet of 18mm, 7 layer Birch plywood. As you'll see later, it takes stain really well. Image 12 This is one of the circuit boards in the ShopBot controller box. I took this picture to help illustrate a problem I was having with the drill axis. It turned out they'd forgotten to add a wire required to properly operate the drill. Page 2 ------ Image 1 Just another related to #12 on the prior page. Image 2, 3 This is the main table surface for the ShopBot. This was taken right after I cut the 2" holes required for the vacuum plumbing. Images 4 & 5 These are all the required parts for the 8 vacuum "zones" on the ShopBot. Images 6 thru 11 These show the support structures that I built to hold the vacuum plumbing in place. Image 12 This shows how two zones are laid out. The final installation is of course under the table. :) Page 3 ------ This page shows the various stages of construction of the vacuum system. The last image shows how much vacuum (roughly 5Hg) I'm able to pull with a pair of Fein Turbo III shop vacs. For obvious reasons they're known as the Orange Daleks. Page 4 ------ This page shows the steps taken to create the vacuum plenum itself. The plenum is made from a 1" thick sheet of MDF. The plenum was glued to the lower table and held under vacuum for 24 hours. The first cuts made were pockets designed to hold the aluminum T-Track that would separate each pair of zones. The T-Track was needed so I could hold down parts that were either too small or otherwise unsuitable for vacuum hold down. The remaining images show the ShopBot as it cuts the grid pattern in each of the 10 individual zones. Each zone is controlled by its own 2" ball valve so I'm able to seal off zones I don't need in order to minimize vacuum loss. Page 5 ------ Images 1 thru 6 These are the last stages of the plenum construction. After all the zones are cut into the plenum, the MDF is then sealed with laquer to ensure that no vacuum leaks occur. Image 7 This shows the first "bleeder board" (also known as a "spoil board"). This is a sheet of 1/2" MDF that's been cut down by 1/32" on each face. This was done to remove the glue "seal" that happens as part of the manufacturing process. The reason this is done is so that you can pull a high volume of air through it. The two Fein vacuums can actually pull a good vacuum right through the MDF. This makes it much easier to hold parts down via vacuum. No special fixtures or "forms" are required. However, due to the relatively low volume of the Fein vacuums, small parts cannot be held down. There just isn't enough surface area to develop a good holding force given the airflow available. Vacuum systems like this are very common in commercial settings. Boeing uses methods identical to mine and with the vac systems they use, the smallest part they can hold is a 4"x4" block of aluminum. Images 8, 9 This is the first "whole" sheet that I cut on the 'bot. These are a series of four boxes that are used on the foam cutter. More on this later. It turns out that due to my inexperience and a tool pathing error, this whole sheet was wasted. No big deal though. We re-ran the corrected program with 1/2" MDF and the results were fantastic. Images 10, 11 These are the frames that I made for the benches that will be installed in the back corner of the shop. Image 12 This is the top for the table we're using for the CNC foam cutter. Two channels have been pocketed into the table to accept a pair of 8' long T-Tracks. The material is 1" high-density (and I mean HIGH) particle board that's skinned with a very nice hardwood. A single 4x8 sheet of this stuff tips the scales at between 80 and 100lbs. Page 6 ------ Image 1 This is the back corner where the new benches will be installed. Images 2, 3 Rob Hangs Lights Because Gene is Afraid of Heights. Nuff said. :) Iamges 4 thru 8 This is the second running of the box parts I mentioned earlier. The CNC foam cutter gantry keeps the wire about 3" above the table surface when lowered all the way. In order to bring the foam blocks up to where the wire was, we needed an easy to work with method of making that happen. My friend Dave came up with the box idea and designed them. They turned out really well. They're going to be topped with a sheet of formica that's been laser engraved with a measured grid. Images 9 thru 12 This is the foam cutting table being assembled, stained & laquered. We were amazed at how well it looked after the stain was applied. The table is trimmed with a 1/4" band of mahogany that was ripped down on the table saw. Page 7 ------ Image 1 I took this while installing the T-Track. The slots for the T-track were cut to the with specified in the paperwork that came with track. It turns out that the extrusion is just a few thou bigger than what is specified, so it was a VERY tight fit. I used the mallet and a block of 1x4 to set the track in without damaging it. This step was done before we laquered the table itself. Images 2 thru 5 This is how it all went together. Following Rob's suggestion, I put a frame of 1x4 pine on the top of the frame to use as a mounting surface. This allowed me to mount the table surface to the frame without having any screws visible on the top. Great idea, eh? :) A lower deck was added to the table in order to give Dave some place to store foam stock. Images 6 thru 12 The various stages of the bench framing being installed. As you can see, the benches use angled legs for support except at the two ends. I did it this way because I didn't want to accidentlly crack a kneecap on a bench leg. As you all know, corners tend to be knee magnets, whether they're table legs or desk edges. :) Page 8 ------ Images 1, 2 The bench tops were installed just like the foam cutter table, from underneath. Rob got this job. :( When I tried it, all I ended up doing was lifting him and the bench top up from the force I was applying to screw gun. It worked much better with me standing on top, keeping them "clamped" to the mounting points. With the tops firmly attached, I could walk around on the benches and notices _zero_ flex. It felt like I was walking on the concrete floor. Images 3 thru 9 A cabinet is born! Weee! Too bad I don't know squat about designing cabinets. *sigh* This poor cabinet was litterally assembled and dis-assembled 6 times. The first 5 times was due to my inexperience in cabinet design and Rob's inability to read my mind as to how it was supposed to go together. The sixth time happened when Rob tripped over the metal lathe box while carrying the carcase and upon impact it quickly turned itself back into individual component parts. :) You can see the four assembled boxes for the foam cutter to the right of the cabinet... MANY lessons were learned on the first two cabinets. Too bad there were more to learn... Image 10 My god! Look at this mess! *ahem* Images 11, 12 OMFG! Look at THAT mess! *sobs* A company wanted my HUD power supply. The offer was enough for me to decant the storage container a lot earlier than we'd planned. Page 9 ------ Image 1 Container mess. Eewwww! Images 2 thru 12 Various HUD components... Page 10 ------- Images 1 thru 8 More various HUD components... Image 9 The first two cabinets are up and already accumulating junk. The next 5 cabinet carcases are on the bench, awaiting doors. Why 5? Well originally the second cabinet run was only going to be three. New lesson! When you're laying out parts to be cut and you've designed a cabinet with both a LEFT and a RIGHT side, don't lay out the sheet with all LEFT sides! This is what happens when you try to pack a weeks' worth of work into a single day. Mistakes galore. Did I mention that we didn't discover the error until AFTER Rob had assembled the first one? Rob knows a LOT of really bad words. :) I didn't want to waste a whole sheet of ACX plywood for only three cabinet sides, so I laid it out with enough parts to get two more complete cabinets and "spare" sides for a 6th. Images 10 thru 12 Remember the formica with the grid on it that I mentioned earlier? This is how they're made. The laser head scans back and forth just like a dot-matrix printer head. Page #11 -------- Images 1 thru 7 Screeeeeeech *bang* Darwin Rodeo. Nuff said. Images 8, 9 Woodshop floor! We got this sucker framed in last summer and we were finally able to finish it! The new floor is roughly 600 sq ft. When it's all said and done, most of the woodworking tools (aka Engines of Dust-ruction) will end up out here. I don't want sawdust in my electronics any more! Images 10, 11 Cabinet doors ready for finishing and their accompanying carcases. They turned out REALLY well. With the exception of the whole left/right thing, these didn't present any assembly problems at all. Image 12 This is what happens when you don't have any idea where to put freshly stained cabinet doors. They end up _everywhere_. Page 12 ------- Images 1 thru 3 Cabinets get installed! So cool. :) Images 4, 5 The mahogany trim for the benches finally gets installed. Images 6 thru 12 Various pics of the shop as a whole. As you can see, the place is a fracking disaster, especially with all the stuff from the old shop now in residence. This will be cleaned up soon as we get shelving units reassembled and things put away. Thanks for looking folks! g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From rhommel at mad.scientist.com Tue May 15 20:34:32 2007 From: rhommel at mad.scientist.com (Rob Hommel) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 22:34:32 -0500 Subject: [simpits-tech] image descriptions... Message-ID: <20070516033433.23EDD1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Gene: I think folks are a bit "whelmed" by the work we have managed since the original posts on the new shop. I know that looking at the photos and realizing that it represents less than 6 months of Saturdays we have managed to get a lot done. If you figure it by number of Saturdays alone it represents about 24 days of work less than a complete month, you would think we would have more done. Those TV shows show complete homes being built in a week, imagine that. Perhaps Ty Pennington will stop by with his crew and finish the job for us just because we are "so" deserving. ;) Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: simpits-tech at simpits.org Subject: [simpits-tech] image descriptions... Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Image narration for Roy! :) Page 1 ------ Images 1 & 2 These are the first "real" parts that I cut on the ShopBot. They're two halves of a form that will be used (have been used?) to form an aluminum strip into the shape of the larger part. The part will end up as part of a 737 glareshield. The forms were made from 2x6 pine lumber. The red airplane on the wall is my GWS Slow Stik. It's been upgraded with an insanely over-powered brushless motor (3" takeoff rolls) and I use it for aerial photography Images 3 thru 11 This is the first of two work tables that I built. As you can see, the frame is WAY overbuilt. The top is a 4x8 sheet of 18mm, 7 layer Birch plywood. As you'll see later, it takes stain really well. Image 12 This is one of the circuit boards in the ShopBot controller box. I took this picture to help illustrate a problem I was having with the drill axis. It turned out they'd forgotten to add a wire required to properly operate the drill. Page 2 ------ Image 1 Just another related to #12 on the prior page. Image 2, 3 This is the main table surface for the ShopBot. This was taken right after I cut the 2" holes required for the vacuum plumbing. Images 4 & 5 These are all the required parts for the 8 vacuum "zones" on the ShopBot. Images 6 thru 11 These show the support structures that I built to hold the vacuum plumbing in place. Image 12 This shows how two zones are laid out. The final installation is of course under the table. :) Page 3 ------ This page shows the various stages of construction of the vacuum system. The last image shows how much vacuum (roughly 5Hg) I'm able to pull with a pair of Fein Turbo III shop vacs. For obvious reasons they're known as the Orange Daleks. Page 4 ------ This page shows the steps taken to create the vacuum plenum itself. The plenum is made from a 1" thick sheet of MDF. The plenum was glued to the lower table and held under vacuum for 24 hours. The first cuts made were pockets designed to hold the aluminum T-Track that would separate each pair of zones. The T-Track was needed so I could hold down parts that were either too small or otherwise unsuitable for vacuum hold down. The remaining images show the ShopBot as it cuts the grid pattern in each of the 10 individual zones. Each zone is controlled by its own 2" ball valve so I'm able to seal off zones I don't need in order to minimize vacuum loss. Page 5 ------ Images 1 thru 6 These are the last stages of the plenum construction. After all the zones are cut into the plenum, the MDF is then sealed with laquer to ensure that no vacuum leaks occur. Image 7 This shows the first "bleeder board" (also known as a "spoil board"). This is a sheet of 1/2" MDF that's been cut down by 1/32" on each face. This was done to remove the glue "seal" that happens as part of the manufacturing process. The reason this is done is so that you can pull a high volume of air through it. The two Fein vacuums can actually pull a good vacuum right through the MDF. This makes it much easier to hold parts down via vacuum. No special fixtures or "forms" are required. However, due to the relatively low volume of the Fein vacuums, small parts cannot be held down. There just isn't enough surface area to develop a good holding force given the airflow available. Vacuum systems like this are very common in commercial settings. Boeing uses methods identical to mine and with the vac systems they use, the smallest part they can hold is a 4"x4" block of aluminum. Images 8, 9 This is the first "whole" sheet that I cut on the 'bot. These are a series of four boxes that are used on the foam cutter. More on this later. It turns out that due to my inexperience and a tool pathing error, this whole sheet was wasted. No big deal though. We re-ran the corrected program with 1/2" MDF and the results were fantastic. Images 10, 11 These are the frames that I made for the benches that will be installed in the back corner of the shop. Image 12 This is the top for the table we're using for the CNC foam cutter. Two channels have been pocketed into the table to accept a pair of 8' long T-Tracks. The material is 1" high-density (and I mean HIGH) particle board that's skinned with a very nice hardwood. A single 4x8 sheet of this stuff tips the scales at between 80 and 100lbs. Page 6 ------ Image 1 This is the back corner where the new benches will be installed. Images 2, 3 Rob Hangs Lights Because Gene is Afraid of Heights. Nuff said. :) Iamges 4 thru 8 This is the second running of the box parts I mentioned earlier. The CNC foam cutter gantry keeps the wire about 3" above the table surface when lowered all the way. In order to bring the foam blocks up to where the wire was, we needed an easy to work with method of making that happen. My friend Dave came up with the box idea and designed them. They turned out really well. They're going to be topped with a sheet of formica that's been laser engraved with a measured grid. Images 9 thru 12 This is the foam cutting table being assembled, stained & laquered. We were amazed at how well it looked after the stain was applied. The table is trimmed with a 1/4" band of mahogany that was ripped down on the table saw. Page 7 ------ Image 1 I took this while installing the T-Track. The slots for the T-track were cut to the with specified in the paperwork that came with track. It turns out that the extrusion is just a few thou bigger than what is specified, so it was a VERY tight fit. I used the mallet and a block of 1x4 to set the track in without damaging it. This step was done before we laquered the table itself. Images 2 thru 5 This is how it all went together. Following Rob's suggestion, I put a frame of 1x4 pine on the top of the frame to use as a mounting surface. This allowed me to mount the table surface to the frame without having any screws visible on the top. Great idea, eh? :) A lower deck was added to the table in order to give Dave some place to store foam stock. Images 6 thru 12 The various stages of the bench framing being installed. As you can see, the benches use angled legs for support except at the two ends. I did it this way because I didn't want to accidentlly crack a kneecap on a bench leg. As you all know, corners tend to be knee magnets, whether they're table legs or desk edges. :) Page 8 ------ Images 1, 2 The bench tops were installed just like the foam cutter table, from underneath. Rob got this job. :( When I tried it, all I ended up doing was lifting him and the bench top up from the force I was applying to screw gun. It worked much better with me standing on top, keeping them "clamped" to the mounting points. With the tops firmly attached, I could walk around on the benches and notices _zero_ flex. It felt like I was walking on the concrete floor. Images 3 thru 9 A cabinet is born! Weee! Too bad I don't know squat about designing cabinets. *sigh* This poor cabinet was litterally assembled and dis-assembled 6 times. The first 5 times was due to my inexperience in cabinet design and Rob's inability to read my mind as to how it was supposed to go together. The sixth time happened when Rob tripped over the metal lathe box while carrying the carcase and upon impact it quickly turned itself back into individual component parts. :) You can see the four assembled boxes for the foam cutter to the right of the cabinet... MANY lessons were learned on the first two cabinets. Too bad there were more to learn... Image 10 My god! Look at this mess! *ahem* Images 11, 12 OMFG! Look at THAT mess! *sobs* A company wanted my HUD power supply. The offer was enough for me to decant the storage container a lot earlier than we'd planned. Page 9 ------ Image 1 Container mess. Eewwww! Images 2 thru 12 Various HUD components... Page 10 ------- Images 1 thru 8 More various HUD components... Image 9 The first two cabinets are up and already accumulating junk. The next 5 cabinet carcases are on the bench, awaiting doors. Why 5? Well originally the second cabinet run was only going to be three. New lesson! When you're laying out parts to be cut and you've designed a cabinet with both a LEFT and a RIGHT side, don't lay out the sheet with all LEFT sides! This is what happens when you try to pack a weeks' worth of work into a single day. Mistakes galore. Did I mention that we didn't discover the error until AFTER Rob had assembled the first one? Rob knows a LOT of really bad words. :) I didn't want to waste a whole sheet of ACX plywood for only three cabinet sides, so I laid it out with enough parts to get two more complete cabinets and "spare" sides for a 6th. Images 10 thru 12 Remember the formica with the grid on it that I mentioned earlier? This is how they're made. The laser head scans back and forth just like a dot-matrix printer head. Page #11 -------- Images 1 thru 7 Screeeeeeech *bang* Darwin Rodeo. Nuff said. Images 8, 9 Woodshop floor! We got this sucker framed in last summer and we were finally able to finish it! The new floor is roughly 600 sq ft. When it's all said and done, most of the woodworking tools (aka Engines of Dust-ruction) will end up out here. I don't want sawdust in my electronics any more! Images 10, 11 Cabinet doors ready for finishing and their accompanying carcases. They turned out REALLY well. With the exception of the whole left/right thing, these didn't present any assembly problems at all. Image 12 This is what happens when you don't have any idea where to put freshly stained cabinet doors. They end up _everywhere_. Page 12 ------- Images 1 thru 3 Cabinets get installed! So cool. :) Images 4, 5 The mahogany trim for the benches finally gets installed. Images 6 thru 12 Various pics of the shop as a whole. As you can see, the place is a fracking disaster, especially with all the stuff from the old shop now in residence. This will be cleaned up soon as we get shelving units reassembled and things put away. Thanks for looking folks! g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. _______________________________________________ Simpits-tech mailing list Simpits-tech at simpits.org http://www.simpits.org/mailman/listinfo/simpits-tech To unsubscribe, please see the instructions at the bottom of the above page. Thanks! = WAMU banking: Open an account with $1 or more. Online bill pay, free checks & more. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=56a4237e9c5768ba0157d92777912703 From geneb at deltasoft.com Tue May 15 21:12:51 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] image descriptions... In-Reply-To: <20070516033433.23EDD1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: > I think folks are a bit "whelmed" by the work we have managed since the > original posts on the new shop. I know that looking at the photos and > realizing that it represents less than 6 months of Saturdays we have > managed to get a lot done. If you figure it by number of Saturdays alone > it represents about 24 days of work less than a complete month, you > would think we would have more done. Those TV shows show complete homes > being built in a week, imagine that. Perhaps Ty Pennington will stop by > with his crew and finish the job for us just because we are "so" > deserving. ;) [massive snip - Rob, trim your replies! :)] ..and how many of those days were spent either going to or from some lumber yard or other? :) I don't want Ty anywhere near the shop. He'd keep putting things away and losing them and then I'd have to feed him to the ShopBot just to save my sanity. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From allendc at qwest.net Tue May 15 21:45:47 2007 From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 22:45:47 -0600 Subject: [simpits-tech] image descriptions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070516044559.1F65F621EAE@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> At 10:29 AM 5/15/2007 -0700, you wrote: >Image narration for Roy! :) > >Page 1 >------ > >Images 1 & 2 > >These are the first "real" parts that I cut on the ShopBot. They're two >halves of a form that will be used (have been used?) to form an aluminum >strip into the shape of the larger part. The part will end up as part of >a 737 glareshield. The forms were made from 2x6 pine lumber. Was that part "Signed and Numbered" ? David www.737FlightSim.com From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk Tue May 15 23:47:44 2007 From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 07:47:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: [simpits-tech] image descriptions... In-Reply-To: <20070516033433.23EDD1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 May 2007, Rob Hommel wrote: > > Gene: > > I think folks are a bit "whelmed" by the work we have managed since the original posts on the new shop. I know that looking at the photos and realizing that it represents less than 6 months of Saturdays we have managed to get a lot done. If you figure it by number of Saturdays alone it represents about 24 days of work less than a complete month, you would think we would have more done. Those TV shows show complete homes being built in a week, imagine that. Perhaps Ty Pennington will stop by with his crew and finish the job for us just because we are "so" deserving. ;) bet you're grateful bob vila isn't local ... ;-) -- Roy Coates. Dept of Engineering. Liverpool University. E-Mail: r.coates at liv.ac.uk Tel: 0151 794 4862 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord, If I must have an instrument failure, please let it be the Hobbs meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed May 16 06:54:34 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 06:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] image descriptions... In-Reply-To: <20070516044559.1F65F621EAE@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net> Message-ID: > >These are the first "real" parts that I cut on the ShopBot. They're two > >halves of a form that will be used (have been used?) to form an aluminum > >strip into the shape of the larger part. The part will end up as part of > >a 737 glareshield. The forms were made from 2x6 pine lumber. > > Was that part "Signed and Numbered" ? > *snaps fingers* Damn. I knew I forgot something. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From adm.design at verizon.net Fri May 18 05:03:54 2007 From: adm.design at verizon.net (Alan D. Mazurka) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 08:03:54 -0400 Subject: [simpits-tech] Misuse of simulators Message-ID: <0JI8006DXMZHCPM8@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> hi, ...why spoil it, just watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE1rE2vxUyM "pull up!!!! pull up!!!!!" - adm - ---------- Alan D. Mazurka adm.design at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.simpits.org/pipermail/simpits-tech/attachments/20070518/336bb294/attachment.html From geneb at deltasoft.com Fri May 18 07:15:48 2007 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 07:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Misuse of simulators In-Reply-To: <0JI8006DXMZHCPM8@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: > > hi, > > ...why spoil it, just watch: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE1rE2vxUyM > > "pull up!!!! pull up!!!!!" > Errr. Damn. :) g. -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!" Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. From jjmessenger at yahoo.com Fri May 18 17:14:35 2007 From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 17:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [simpits-tech] Simkits ADI/ Altimeter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <947764.92189.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I wouldnt use SiMkits ADI/ Altimeter for an A-4. Altimeter runs too slow to keep with rapid altitude changes and the ADI will not bank or roll 360 and cannot keep up with rapid attitude changes. They work fantastic in my DC-8 though. I plan to pruchase Flight Illusion's ADI and Altimeter to see how they work, their ADI at least rolls 360. Justin > > > > For my A-4 'pit I am still looking for a reasonably priced, plug and > > pray altimeter... I have the rest of the gauges and interfacing > > sorted, the altimeter is the only thing I can't figure how to drive > > easily and cheaply.... > > > Sean, have you checked out the Simkits altimeters? > >Yeah, but that would mean buying the CCU, which I >can't justify for the >one >gauge. I am hanging out for them to do a stand->alone USB version..... >SeanG Aviation Videos http://HeritageAviationVideos.fly.to/ DC-8 Simulator www.dc8cockpit.catisp.com F-4 Simulators www.Phantom.highspeedzone.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From sean.g at paradise.net.nz Fri May 18 21:14:26 2007 From: sean.g at paradise.net.nz (Sean Galbraith) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:14:26 +1200 Subject: [simpits-tech] Simkits ADI/ Altimeter In-Reply-To: <947764.92189.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <947764.92189.qm@web52012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0JI900DS3T59ZC10@smtp5.clear.net.nz> At 12:14 p.m. 19/05/2007, you wrote: >I wouldnt use SiMkits ADI/ Altimeter for an A-4. >Altimeter runs too slow to keep with rapid altitude >changes and the ADI will not bank or roll 360 and >cannot keep up with rapid attitude changes. They work >fantastic in my DC-8 though. > >I plan to pruchase Flight Illusion's ADI and Altimeter >to see how they work, their ADI at least rolls 360. I have experimented with an ADI driven by the simkits MultiController, and though it doesn't do a 360, with the right servos is can move pretty quick. I was actually quite impressed by how well it worked. I'm not however, going to use one in the A-4, I have such space constraints that I have ended up going with the 'ole "software ADI on the LCD screen" approach. I ran out of space to squeeze all the displays into the main panel, so I have opted to go with bigger (cheaper) displays and give up the physical ADI :( I will take a peek at the Flight Illusions Altimeter though. SeanG