From dave_friend at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Mar  1 11:51:46 2007
From: dave_friend at tiscali.co.uk (Dave)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:51:46 -0000
Subject: [simpits-tech] Network problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0702280755220.28963-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <NMELJFKJAGJKHBDADGMJCEDDCFAA.dave_friend@tiscali.co.uk>


I have been trying to get FSXpand (http://cockpitsolutions.com/flyware/)
running on my network.

I have tried the guys in the forum there but they haven't come up with a
solution.

When I start FSClient I get 'Runtime Error 10047 Address Family is not
Supported'

This seems to be a network error rather than an FSClient problem.

All my network settings seem to be fine. I can ping both computers by name
and IP No, I can transfer files to and from each machine and access all
drives and folders.

FSClient is correctly setup with the correct IP numbers and subnet mask but
just won't work.

Anyone got any ideas?

Dave
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar  1 13:09:59 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 13:09:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Network problem
In-Reply-To: <NMELJFKJAGJKHBDADGMJCEDDCFAA.dave_friend@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703011306480.31509-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Dave wrote:

>
> I have been trying to get FSXpand (http://cockpitsolutions.com/flyware/)
> running on my network.
>
> I have tried the guys in the forum there but they haven't come up with a
> solution.
>
> When I start FSClient I get 'Runtime Error 10047 Address Family is not
> Supported'
>
> This seems to be a network error rather than an FSClient problem.
>
Oh, no - it's a FSClient problem all right. :)

This is the definition of the error:

An address incompatible with the requested protocol was used. All sockets
are created with an associated address family (that is, AF_INET for
Internet Protocols) and a generic protocol type (that is, SOCK_STREAM).
This error is returned if an incorrect protocol is explicitly requested in
the socket call, or if an address of the wrong family is used for a
socket, for example, in sendto.

This comes from the MSDN website:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms740668.aspx

I get "Service Unavailable" when I try to go to the site you show above
Dave.

> All my network settings seem to be fine. I can ping both computers by name
> and IP No, I can transfer files to and from each machine and access all
> drives and folders.
>
Just by odd chance, are you using IPv6 on your network instead of IPv4?

g.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar  1 21:01:05 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 21:01:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] 727 quadrant...
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703012100240.32124-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

http://cgi.ebay.com/Boeing-727-throttle-quadrant_W0QQitemZ250089243581QQihZ015QQcategoryZ806QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It appears to be the full quadrant, not just the throttle box.

g.


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From bass.pumped at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 00:31:31 2007
From: bass.pumped at gmail.com (bass pumped)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 02:31:31 -0600
Subject: [simpits-tech] 727 quadrant...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703012100240.32124-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703012100240.32124-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <f7f5a9670703020031l132aec99r37ba948a6f5b85d4@mail.gmail.com>

how about this one??

http://cgi.ebay.com/USAF-F-16C-1-1-Cockpit-Mock-up-Simulator-Functional_W0QQitemZ110096398245QQihZ001QQcategoryZ62053QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



On 3/1/07, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Boeing-727-throttle-quadrant_W0QQitemZ250089243581QQihZ015QQcategoryZ806QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> It appears to be the full quadrant, not just the throttle box.
>
> g.
>
>
> --
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>
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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Fri Mar  2 09:20:56 2007
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:20:56 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] 727 quadrant...
Message-ID: <0b63d5761dde432091491a70d44a9efe.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Did you see the location?

Some zoomie actually has that in his room... sheesh.

>------- Original Message -------
>From    : bass pumped[mailto:bass.pumped at gmail.com]
>Sent    : 3/2/2007 3:31:31 AM
>To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
>Cc      : 
>Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] 727 quadrant...
>
 >how about this one??

 http://cgi.ebay.com/USAF-F-16C-1-1-Cockpit-Mock-up-Simulator-Functional_W0QQitemZ110096398245QQihZ001QQcategoryZ62053QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem




On 3/1/07, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
>
>
> 
http://cgi.ebay.com/Boeing-727-throttle-quadrant_W0QQitemZ250089243581QQihZ015QQcategoryZ806QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

>
> It appears to be the full quadrant, not just the
throttle box.
>
> g.
>
>
> --
> "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"
>
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
>  http://www.f15sim.com  - The only one of its kind.
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From dave_friend at tiscali.co.uk  Fri Mar  2 11:20:31 2007
From: dave_friend at tiscali.co.uk (Dave)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 19:20:31 -0000
Subject: [simpits-tech] Network problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703011306480.31509-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <NMELJFKJAGJKHBDADGMJCEDHCFAA.dave_friend@tiscali.co.uk>



> This seems to be a network error rather than an FSClient problem.
>
>Oh, no - it's a FSClient problem all right. :)

>This is the definition of the error:

>An address incompatible with the requested protocol was used. All sockets
>are created with an associated address family (that is, AF_INET for
>Internet Protocols) and a generic protocol type (that is, SOCK_STREAM).
>This error is returned if an incorrect protocol is explicitly requested in
>the socket call, or if an address of the wrong family is used for a
>socket, for example, in sendto.

>This comes from the MSDN website:
>http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms740668.aspx

>I get "Service Unavailable" when I try to go to the site you show above
Dave.

Yeah. The site seems to be down at the moment. V strange that the whole
cockpitsolutions site is down. Bummer.

>Just by odd chance, are you using IPv6 on your network instead of IPv4?

Never heard of IPv6 before. But according to my research the network
addresses would be in Hex rather than decimal?

Mine are 192.168.1.4 and 192.168.13 so I guess I am using IPv4.  Or is there
more to it?

Thanks for the help Gene, much appreciated.

As a matter of interest is anyone using FSXpand in their pits? It's a poor
man's Project Magenta, which I am sure you've all heard of.


Keep 'em level

Dave
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Mar  2 13:17:27 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:17:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Network problem
In-Reply-To: <NMELJFKJAGJKHBDADGMJCEDHCFAA.dave_friend@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703021316040.34066-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Yeah. The site seems to be down at the moment. V strange that the whole
> cockpitsolutions site is down. Bummer.
>
I think their server died.  There's a "default" IIS page up right now.

> Mine are 192.168.1.4 and 192.168.13 so I guess I am using IPv4.  Or is there
> more to it?
>
No, that's IPv4 all right.

> Thanks for the help Gene, much appreciated.
>
Not a problem!  I wish I could've helped more.

> As a matter of interest is anyone using FSXpand in their pits? It's a poor
> man's Project Magenta, which I am sure you've all heard of.
>
This was actually the first time I'd heard of it.

g.

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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Tue Mar  6 00:48:35 2007
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 08:48:35 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] For F-16 Builders
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0703060847380.27124-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>


Check Ebay items for user: jamesgrig

http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZjamesgrigQQhtZ-1

Tons of replica F-16 panels

Roy.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar 22 13:19:58 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:19:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703221219160.87786-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>


This fits the whole bunch of us:

"There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."


:)

g.


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From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar 22 14:23:48 2007
From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:23:48 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703221219160.87786-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703221219160.87786-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <007801c76cc8$61abb350$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>

Yeah, but I mananged to bridge that fine line between "hobby" and
"business".  Turns out I started making some money from the parts I was
making and selling.  Now I can write off all this stuff now since I formed
an LLC last year.

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 3:20 PM
To: simpits-tech at simpits.org
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....


This fits the whole bunch of us:

"There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."


:)

g.


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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Thu Mar 22 14:41:32 2007
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:41:32 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703221219160.87786-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0703222141170.13585-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Gene Buckle wrote:

>
> This fits the whole bunch of us:
>
> "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>

SH1T !!  I never saw the line!!


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar 22 14:46:38 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:46:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
In-Reply-To: <007801c76cc8$61abb350$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703221346220.87917-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Yeah, but I mananged to bridge that fine line between "hobby" and
> "business".  Turns out I started making some money from the parts I was
> making and selling.  Now I can write off all this stuff now since I formed
> an LLC last year.
>
Hehe.  What goodies are you selling Jay?

g.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Thu Mar 22 14:47:23 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:47:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0703222141170.13585-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703221346580.87917-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> > This fits the whole bunch of us:
> >
> > "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> >
>
> SH1T !!  I never saw the line!!
>
It was that faint little black mark we passed about 8 years ago. :)

g.

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From bjones at pipecomp.com.au  Thu Mar 22 18:06:55 2007
From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:06:55 +0900
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703221219160.87786-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <003001c76ce7$8d451af0$0b00000a@BenLaptop>

The good thing about the thin line is it can be pushed over a little bit 
more every day and no one will notice.

Ben

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>
To: <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 5:19 AM
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....


>
> This fits the whole bunch of us:
>
> "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>
>
> :)
>
> g.
>
>
> -- 
> "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"
>
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> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
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From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar 22 17:39:14 2007
From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:39:14 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703221346220.87917-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <007801c76cc8$61abb350$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
	<Pine.BSF.4.44.0703221346220.87917-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <001601c76ce3$af3c9e70$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>

Mostly what I've been selling are the electronics and switches for the ICP's
Mike Williams and I developed.  To date I've sold 50 circuit boards for 50
ICP's along with a number of switches and Beta Innovations MM2 modules to
run the keys.

I have some new goodies about to come out.  Mike and I are working on the 32
light caution panel that sits in the right aux of the F-16.  This will be a
plug and play module to work along side Beta Innovations Electron Flux as it
uses a mux type scanning to light the led's.

I'm also making a break out board that will allow users to plug in their
real MFD bezels to Beta Innovations MM2 module.  I may even offer to wire up
the entire assembly for those that don't want to mess with it.

Finally, I'm making a nice little black box that will allow you to plug in
your military helmet headphone and mic on one side and out the other side
right into your sound card.  One box does it all.

And a couple other things in the works.  I can also design and make custom
circuit boards if you are in the need.

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:47 PM
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....

> Yeah, but I mananged to bridge that fine line between "hobby" and
> "business".  Turns out I started making some money from the parts I was
> making and selling.  Now I can write off all this stuff now since I formed
> an LLC last year.
>
Hehe.  What goodies are you selling Jay?

g.

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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Mar 23 06:55:01 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 05:55:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
In-Reply-To: <001601c76ce3$af3c9e70$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703230552100.89563-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> I have some new goodies about to come out.  Mike and I are working on the 32
> light caution panel that sits in the right aux of the F-16.  This will be a
> plug and play module to work along side Beta Innovations Electron Flux as it
> uses a mux type scanning to light the led's.
>
That should be a win for the Viper crowd.

> Finally, I'm making a nice little black box that will allow you to plug in
> your military helmet headphone and mic on one side and out the other side
> right into your sound card.  One box does it all.
>
Brian used to make those when he was in college.  I've got one for use
with the ASA headset I have.  It'll end up in the F-15 to provide an
alternate to the helmet system.

g.


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From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 23 11:09:37 2007
From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:09:37 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703230552100.89563-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <001601c76ce3$af3c9e70$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
	<Pine.BSF.4.44.0703230552100.89563-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <008901c76d76$6bfbefb0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>

I think the ones Brian made turned GA headsets to pc sound cards.  That was
a very simple little circuit and works very well.  This one I'm making will
turn the Mil headset to pc sound card compatible.  There isn't one of these,
to my knowledge on the market right now.

jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 8:55 AM
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....

> I have some new goodies about to come out.  Mike and I are working on the
32
> light caution panel that sits in the right aux of the F-16.  This will be
a
> plug and play module to work along side Beta Innovations Electron Flux as
it
> uses a mux type scanning to light the led's.
>
That should be a win for the Viper crowd.

> Finally, I'm making a nice little black box that will allow you to plug in
> your military helmet headphone and mic on one side and out the other side
> right into your sound card.  One box does it all.
>
Brian used to make those when he was in college.  I've got one for use
with the ASA headset I have.  It'll end up in the F-15 to provide an
alternate to the helmet system.

g.


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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Mar 23 12:49:18 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:49:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
In-Reply-To: <008901c76d76$6bfbefb0$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703231148370.90100-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> I think the ones Brian made turned GA headsets to pc sound cards.  That was
> a very simple little circuit and works very well.  This one I'm making will
> turn the Mil headset to pc sound card compatible.  There isn't one of these,
> to my knowledge on the market right now.
>
Ahh, my mistake.  Neat. :)

g.

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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Fri Mar 23 16:10:59 2007
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:10:59 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
Message-ID: <0bb5fe78c8c0431fa9cebb6dbb4a7c36.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Yup, roger that. The GA ones were a snap. Not sure
what it would take to do mil, but I haven't seen any
for sale, either. Smaller market for them, of course,
but it would be there.


>------- Original Message -------
>From    : Joseph Fagner[mailto:falcon4 at sbcglobal.net]
>Sent    : 3/23/2007 2:09:37 PM
>To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
>Cc      : 
>Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders
quote....
>
 >I think the ones Brian made turned GA headsets to
pc sound cards.  That was
a very simple little circuit and works very well. 
This one I'm making will
turn the Mil headset to pc sound card compatible. 
There isn't one of these,
to my knowledge on the market right now.

jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[ mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org]  On Behalf
Of Gene Buckle
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 8:55 AM
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....

> I have some new goodies about to come out.  Mike
and I are working on the
32
> light caution panel that sits in the right aux of
the F-16.  This will be
a
> plug and play module to work along side Beta
Innovations Electron Flux as
it
> uses a mux type scanning to light the led's.
>
That should be a win for the Viper crowd.

> Finally, I'm making a nice little black box that
will allow you to plug in
> your military helmet headphone and mic on one side
and out the other side
> right into your sound card.  One box does it all.
>
Brian used to make those when he was in college. 
I've got one for use
with the ASA headset I have.  It'll end up in the
F-15 to provide an
alternate to the helmet system.

g.


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From jjmessenger at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 23 17:12:16 2007
From: jjmessenger at yahoo.com (Justin Messenger)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:12:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 43, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2627.1174657447.2346.simpits-tech@simpits.org>
Message-ID: <500651.44743.qm@web52005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Yeah, as of yesterday i am making payemnts on a nearly
complete ex-navy single seat F-4 sim. I CANT STOP!!!
HEEEELP!!!! Who need to gamble when so much money can
be blown on SimPits!

Of course Dave Garbe tops the chart with the 20
thousand pound chunk of F-4 Phantom he bought on Ebay
a few weeks ago. i wouldnt be surprised if he gets it
back up on landing gear

Justin

> 
> > > This fits the whole bunch of us:
> > >
> > > "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and
> "mental illness."
> > >
> >
> > SH1T !!  I never saw the line!!
> >
> It was that faint little black mark we passed about
> 8 years ago. :)
> 
> g.
> 



 
____________________________________________________________________________________
Don't pick lemons.
See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html 

From scerrito at adelphia.net  Fri Mar 23 18:57:58 2007
From: scerrito at adelphia.net (Scott)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:57:58 -0800
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
References: <007801c76cc8$61abb350$1900a8c0@jaysoffice><Pine.BSF.4.44.0703221346220.87917-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<001601c76ce3$af3c9e70$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
Message-ID: <01e901c76db7$d93747f0$0201a8c0@DARKWOLF2>

Jay,
As long as it costs less than an impedance matcher i've seen all over the
pilot's boards and shops (usually 70-80bucks) you can consider this an
advance order... :)

I've also found a gizmo that will supply the mbu-12 with the proper air
supply, being run from a properly filtered regular compressor... all i have
to do is gut it out and install it into the cockpit...

Scott


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Fagner" <falcon4 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'Simulator Cockpit tech list'" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....


> Mostly what I've been selling are the electronics and switches for the
ICP's
> Mike Williams and I developed.  To date I've sold 50 circuit boards for 50
> ICP's along with a number of switches and Beta Innovations MM2 modules to
> run the keys.
>
> I have some new goodies about to come out.  Mike and I are working on the
32
> light caution panel that sits in the right aux of the F-16.  This will be
a
> plug and play module to work along side Beta Innovations Electron Flux as
it
> uses a mux type scanning to light the led's.
>
> I'm also making a break out board that will allow users to plug in their
> real MFD bezels to Beta Innovations MM2 module.  I may even offer to wire
up
> the entire assembly for those that don't want to mess with it.
>
> Finally, I'm making a nice little black box that will allow you to plug in
> your military helmet headphone and mic on one side and out the other side
> right into your sound card.  One box does it all.
>
> And a couple other things in the works.  I can also design and make custom
> circuit boards if you are in the need.
>
> Jay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:47 PM
> To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
>
> > Yeah, but I mananged to bridge that fine line between "hobby" and
> > "business".  Turns out I started making some money from the parts I was
> > making and selling.  Now I can write off all this stuff now since I
formed
> > an LLC last year.
> >
> Hehe.  What goodies are you selling Jay?
>
> g.
>
> --
> "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"
>
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Mar 23 22:25:15 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:25:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Simpits-tech Digest, Vol 43, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <500651.44743.qm@web52005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703232124550.90961-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> Yeah, as of yesterday i am making payemnts on a nearly
> complete ex-navy single seat F-4 sim. I CANT STOP!!!
> HEEEELP!!!! Who need to gamble when so much money can
> be blown on SimPits!
>
You lucky so and so.  Pics!  We want Pics! :)

g.

-- 
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Mar 23 22:28:21 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:28:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
In-Reply-To: <01e901c76db7$d93747f0$0201a8c0@DARKWOLF2>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703232127220.90961-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> I've also found a gizmo that will supply the mbu-12 with the proper air
> supply, being run from a properly filtered regular compressor... all i have
> to do is gut it out and install it into the cockpit...
>

Scott, where could I find a "proper" filter?  I've got all the correct
connections from the oxy panel back, but I haven't found a filter system
that will allow me to use compressor air for the system.

tnx!

g.

 --
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Mar 24 05:32:23 2007
From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:32:23 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703232127220.90961-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
References: <01e901c76db7$d93747f0$0201a8c0@DARKWOLF2>
	<Pine.BSF.4.44.0703232127220.90961-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <005001c76e10$79df5500$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>

I would be sure that it's really properly filtered as there is a bunch of
stuff in that air that would not be nice to your lungs.  Being a scuba
diver, I decided using a scuba tank and a low pressure port from the primary
reg will be the way to go for me.  Low pressure primaries are around 150
psi.  You can regulate that down to a nice 5-10 psi for the O2 mask.

Jay


-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 12:28 AM
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....

> I've also found a gizmo that will supply the mbu-12 with the proper air
> supply, being run from a properly filtered regular compressor... all i
have
> to do is gut it out and install it into the cockpit...
>

Scott, where could I find a "proper" filter?  I've got all the correct
connections from the oxy panel back, but I haven't found a filter system
that will allow me to use compressor air for the system.

tnx!

g.

 --
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From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Mar 24 05:36:26 2007
From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:36:26 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
In-Reply-To: <01e901c76db7$d93747f0$0201a8c0@DARKWOLF2>
References: <007801c76cc8$61abb350$1900a8c0@jaysoffice><Pine.BSF.4.44.0703221346220.87917-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com><001601c76ce3$af3c9e70$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
	<01e901c76db7$d93747f0$0201a8c0@DARKWOLF2>
Message-ID: <005101c76e11$0a5b8d60$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>

Not sure what the price point will be but I think it will be in that ball
park you mentioned.  Those impedance matchers just change the mil stuff to
GA stuff...you still have to convert that to a PC compatible signal.  This
box I'm making will do the whole thing, you will only need to supply it with
a 12 volt power.  You can use batteries but I will have a pc power supply
type plug so you can use a PC power supply or an empty slot from your sim
computer power.  I decided not to use a 9 volt battery as they drain to
quickly if you don't unplug them after use.

Anyone else interested, send me an email to
flightsystemsltdATsbcglobalDOTnet I should be getting the prototype board
any day now.

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 8:58 PM
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....

Jay,
As long as it costs less than an impedance matcher i've seen all over the
pilot's boards and shops (usually 70-80bucks) you can consider this an
advance order... :)

I've also found a gizmo that will supply the mbu-12 with the proper air
supply, being run from a properly filtered regular compressor... all i have
to do is gut it out and install it into the cockpit...

Scott


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Fagner" <falcon4 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'Simulator Cockpit tech list'" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....


> Mostly what I've been selling are the electronics and switches for the
ICP's
> Mike Williams and I developed.  To date I've sold 50 circuit boards for 50
> ICP's along with a number of switches and Beta Innovations MM2 modules to
> run the keys.
>
> I have some new goodies about to come out.  Mike and I are working on the
32
> light caution panel that sits in the right aux of the F-16.  This will be
a
> plug and play module to work along side Beta Innovations Electron Flux as
it
> uses a mux type scanning to light the led's.
>
> I'm also making a break out board that will allow users to plug in their
> real MFD bezels to Beta Innovations MM2 module.  I may even offer to wire
up
> the entire assembly for those that don't want to mess with it.
>
> Finally, I'm making a nice little black box that will allow you to plug in
> your military helmet headphone and mic on one side and out the other side
> right into your sound card.  One box does it all.
>
> And a couple other things in the works.  I can also design and make custom
> circuit boards if you are in the need.
>
> Jay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:47 PM
> To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
>
> > Yeah, but I mananged to bridge that fine line between "hobby" and
> > "business".  Turns out I started making some money from the parts I was
> > making and selling.  Now I can write off all this stuff now since I
formed
> > an LLC last year.
> >
> Hehe.  What goodies are you selling Jay?
>
> g.
>
> --
> "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"
>
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
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From bjones at pipecomp.com.au  Sat Mar 24 05:33:42 2007
From: bjones at pipecomp.com.au (Ben Jones)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:33:42 +0900
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
References: <01e901c76db7$d93747f0$0201a8c0@DARKWOLF2><Pine.BSF.4.44.0703232127220.90961-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<005001c76e10$79df5500$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
Message-ID: <007c01c76e10$a8e4fda0$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>

I would never use compressed air as jay has said VERY nast micro organisms 
live in the air, and also the oil mist you would be breathing in from the 
compressor head.

Having said that there are filter setups that are avbl to take dirty 
compressed air and breath it, i cant give you a brand or product name.... 
but spray painters use the filter boxes, they are avaliable in australia 
but......

You would not catch me using one, i do compressor servicing for some of my 
clients and the sludge and shit that ozzes out of the tank is enough to make 
yo barf ! let alone consider breathing it.

scuba tank is the way to go if you really want a functional mask setup, ill 
try and dig up a brand name for you G.


cherio

Ben

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph Fagner" <falcon4 at sbcglobal.net>


>I would be sure that it's really properly filtered as there is a bunch of
> stuff in that air that would not be nice to your lungs.  Being a scuba
> diver, I decided using a scuba tank and a low pressure port from the 
> primary
> reg will be the way to go for me.  Low pressure primaries are around 150
> psi.  You can regulate that down to a nice 5-10 psi for the O2 mask.
>
> Jay
>

> [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 12:28 AM
> To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
>
>> I've also found a gizmo that will supply the mbu-12 with the proper air
>> supply, being run from a properly filtered regular compressor... all i
> have
>> to do is gut it out and install it into the cockpit...
>>
>
> Scott, where could I find a "proper" filter?  I've got all the correct
> connections from the oxy panel back, but I haven't found a filter system
> that will allow me to use compressor air for the system.
>
> tnx!
>
> g.



From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun Mar 25 13:42:58 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:42:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
In-Reply-To: <005001c76e10$79df5500$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703251241410.96925-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> I would be sure that it's really properly filtered as there is a bunch of
> stuff in that air that would not be nice to your lungs.  Being a scuba
> diver, I decided using a scuba tank and a low pressure port from the primary
> reg will be the way to go for me.  Low pressure primaries are around 150
> psi.  You can regulate that down to a nice 5-10 psi for the O2 mask.
>

I'm hoping to be able to use a filtered feed from my air compressor.  I'll
feed it straight into the demand oxy panel and from there into the mask,
BUT like you said, the air does need to be filtered.  I havent seen a
source for the kind of filter I need.  I'm hoping Scott has the answer.

g.



 -- "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun Mar 25 13:45:57 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:45:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
In-Reply-To: <007c01c76e10$a8e4fda0$3d00a8c0@bjblackbox>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703251244060.96925-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> scuba tank is the way to go if you really want a functional mask setup, ill
> try and dig up a brand name for you G.
>

A scuba tank is nice, but where do you fill it from?  An air compressor!
:)  Now granted I'm sure the dive shop has a fancy air filter to keep the
oil and particulates out of the tank - this is what I'd like to have.

The funny thing is, it would almost never be used unless I'm giving
someone the "whole" experience with the G-suit, etc. :)

g.

 --
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From steve at virchitecture.com  Sun Mar 25 13:50:53 2007
From: steve at virchitecture.com (Steve Wilson)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:50:53 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703251244060.96925-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <000901c76f1f$4824a960$6600a8c0@Webhead>

The downside to going with the SCUBA tank is that you have to be SCUBA
certified or to know someone who is in order to get it filled.  Said tank
would need to be hydrostatically tested periodically whether you dove or
not.  The allowable capacity goes down over time to allow for structural
fatigue.

The upside is that you have no loud compressor to run, and the air is
professionally filtered for you by a professionally maintained compressor
and very dry.

But why worry about air supply anyway?  If you're smart, you're sure not
going to be brave enough to run an O2 mix, and if you modify the intake hose
properly, you can breathe through the mask without having air supplied under
pressure.  There really isn't that much difference between breathing air
from a tank and ambient air when you're on the ground.  You'd probably want
to put a particulate filter on the feed end of the hose, but otherwise, it's
just one more project to accomplish and then maintain, taking away from
flight time.

S


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>
To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....


> > scuba tank is the way to go if you really want a functional mask setup,
ill
> > try and dig up a brand name for you G.
> >
>
> A scuba tank is nice, but where do you fill it from?  An air compressor!
> :)  Now granted I'm sure the dive shop has a fancy air filter to keep the
> oil and particulates out of the tank - this is what I'd like to have.
>
> The funny thing is, it would almost never be used unless I'm giving
> someone the "whole" experience with the G-suit, etc. :)
>
> g.
>
>  --
> "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"
>
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
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From scerrito at adelphia.net  Sun Mar 25 10:50:49 2007
From: scerrito at adelphia.net (Scott)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:50:49 -0800
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703232127220.90961-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <022b01c76f31$9646a000$0201a8c0@DARKWOLF2>

IN RE COMPRESSOR SETUP.

I used to be part owner of a bedliner company that used a 3M compressed air
setup to filter and send clean air to a bypass mask to use in the spray
booth, believe me I would not HALF BUTT anything that i am sucking on...

I will get a nice schematics drawing in pdf done this weekend.... i am
currently using a TTU-529 test kit that was designed with compressed air in
mind, truthfully I did not contemplate using a SCUBA setup as there are no
refilling setups around here (Buzzard Country, Ohio)...  although now that
you have planted the seed in my brain, I do have a 1hr bottle and access to
a fire department (i volunteer here)...  you can't get much cleaner than
that... I wonder how long it would take to suck down that bottle...

Drawing and pics coming soon!

Scott


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>
To: "Simulator Cockpit tech list" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....


> > I've also found a gizmo that will supply the mbu-12 with the proper air
> > supply, being run from a properly filtered regular compressor... all i
have
> > to do is gut it out and install it into the cockpit...
> >
>
> Scott, where could I find a "proper" filter?  I've got all the correct
> connections from the oxy panel back, but I haven't found a filter system
> that will allow me to use compressor air for the system.
>
> tnx!
>
> g.
>
>  --
> "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"
>
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
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From allendc at qwest.net  Sun Mar 25 17:43:09 2007
From: allendc at qwest.net (David C. Allen)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:43:09 -0600
Subject: [simpits-tech] Breathing Air was Re: Cockpit builders quote....
In-Reply-To: <022b01c76f31$9646a000$0201a8c0@DARKWOLF2>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703232127220.90961-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<022b01c76f31$9646a000$0201a8c0@DARKWOLF2>
Message-ID: <20070326004319.375D0621C0B@mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net>

Hello to the Gang

The problem with filters, is when do you change them??????

I purchased a new 2216 PSI Scott Air-PAK Aluminum bottle from Ebay. 
The seller a Fire department that was converting to a higher pressure 
and this bottle had not been in service. (Watch out for bottles that 
have a fixed (in years) service life) The bottle I purchased has a 
current hydrostatic test date.

Our local volunteer Fire Department offered to send my bottle in when 
it needs it's next pressure test.

I also purchased a 2 stage regulator, and a 2500 PSI pressure 
transducer with a 0 to 5 VDC output.
The transducer dc output will drive the 737's Crew Oxy pressure 
Indicator. This will allow the bottle pressure to be monitored on the 
aft overhead panel just like the real aircraft

The local medical supply has breathing air hose, and I will plumb the 
two Quick dawn masks so the head band will inflate and breathing air 
will be available to the mask.

The bottle can be filled at a medical or industrial gas supply 
company. The local industrial gas supply company only sells "Medical" 
grade of breathing air.

I don't have a price on the cost of filling, because I just have a 
box of parts LOL

David
www.737FlightSim.com


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun Mar 25 20:26:35 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:26:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
In-Reply-To: <022b01c76f31$9646a000$0201a8c0@DARKWOLF2>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703251926160.97484-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> IN RE COMPRESSOR SETUP.
>
> I used to be part owner of a bedliner company that used a 3M compressed air
> setup to filter and send clean air to a bypass mask to use in the spray
> booth, believe me I would not HALF BUTT anything that i am sucking on...
>
> I will get a nice schematics drawing in pdf done this weekend.... i am
> currently using a TTU-529 test kit that was designed with compressed air in
> mind, truthfully I did not contemplate using a SCUBA setup as there are no
> refilling setups around here (Buzzard Country, Ohio)...  although now that
> you have planted the seed in my brain, I do have a 1hr bottle and access to
> a fire department (i volunteer here)...  you can't get much cleaner than
> that... I wonder how long it would take to suck down that bottle...
>

Thanks Scott, it's hugely appriciated!

g.

-- 
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From scerrito at adelphia.net  Sun Mar 25 21:26:56 2007
From: scerrito at adelphia.net (Scott)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:26:56 -0800
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
References: <01e901c76db7$d93747f0$0201a8c0@DARKWOLF2><Pine.BSF.4.44.0703232127220.90961-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
	<005001c76e10$79df5500$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
Message-ID: <026401c76f5e$fcf2fba0$0201a8c0@DARKWOLF2>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Fagner" <falcon4 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'Simulator Cockpit tech list'" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 4:32 AM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....


> I would be sure that it's really properly filtered as there is a bunch of
> stuff in that air that would not be nice to your lungs.  Being a scuba
> diver, I decided using a scuba tank and a low pressure port from the
primary
> reg will be the way to go for me.  Low pressure primaries are around 150
> psi.  You can regulate that down to a nice 5-10 psi for the O2 mask.


5-10psi??   I have the current patent paperwork for the newest mask/g-suit
test kit...
Built to test the MBU-12/20 mask...  this is pulled directly from the
patent:

"...When the g-suit is not inflated, it is dangerous to breathe air at
pressures much above 16in/H2O."

Using a IN/H2O to PSI Conversion chart it is 0.5774psi.  5-10psi would blow
the mask off your face, or worse...

Continuing from the patent:

"When performing COMBAT EDGE testing, it is necessary to expose the user to
excessive breathing pressures.
Exposure to excessive breathing pressure can hurt the user.  It is only safe
under curtain conditions and
for limited periods of exposure.  Under no circumstances should the
breathing air pressure exceed 34 IN/H2O."

Converting 34 IN/H2O = 1.227psi...  (FYI - Combat Edge is the new positive
pressure system)

I currently do not have much other than CAD drawings of my cockpit done, I
have however put extensive time
picking up oddball parts (like my TTU-529/E test kit) in the hopes of
pulling out the parts to connect and use
the MBU-12 and CSU-13 g-suit with...  I couldn't find ANY literature for a
long time on the pressures being supplied
to the MBU-12, until I located this patent...   if anyone out that has
anything else or corrections, please send them!

I know we used a DeVilbiss dryer on the line in the shop.  What was after
that i cannot say for certain, the co-owner
still has the filters, and when I see her tomorrow I will get exact part
numbers for you...  it wasn't that expensive, and
with a new compressor dedicated to breathing air, and clean dry air for the
spray guns, we were up to code...

More to follow!  -- Scott


From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Sun Mar 25 20:59:02 2007
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:59:02 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
Message-ID: <8ddaee6f59d44512b494daa04c19f90f.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

I'll ask around and see what I can find out about the
PSI on these oxygen regulators. I should be able to
find someone who knows.

Brian


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Sun Mar 25 21:19:42 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:19:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
In-Reply-To: <8ddaee6f59d44512b494daa04c19f90f.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703252019130.97578-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> I'll ask around and see what I can find out about the
> PSI on these oxygen regulators. I should be able to
> find someone who knows.
>
Brian, can you also check to see what the feed pressure is to the standard
demand oxygen panel is?

tnx!

g.

-- 
"I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"

Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From servantofcthulhu at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 25 23:41:28 2007
From: servantofcthulhu at hotmail.com (Simon Bennett)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:41:28 -0700
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703252019130.97578-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F9FD8ED96BEC0AFB52387ED46F0@phx.gbl>

If you wanted a little pressure without the danger of a compressor, couldn't 
you use a blower or fan arrangement to circulate the air?


>From: Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com>
>Reply-To: Simulator Cockpit tech list <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
>To: Simulator Cockpit tech list <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
>Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
>Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:19:42 -0800 (PST)
>
> > I'll ask around and see what I can find out about the
> > PSI on these oxygen regulators. I should be able to
> > find someone who knows.
> >
>Brian, can you also check to see what the feed pressure is to the standard
>demand oxygen panel is?
>
>tnx!
>
>g.
>
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From bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil  Mon Mar 26 04:42:14 2007
From: bjsikkem at gimail.af.mil (Brian Sikkema)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 07:42:14 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
Message-ID: <6f8bbf95dce145e39ce5073c54e39997.bjsikkem@gimail.af.mil>

Sure, I'll see what I can find out.



>------- Original Message -------
>From    : Gene Buckle[mailto:geneb at deltasoft.com]
>Sent    : 3/26/2007 12:19:42 AM
>To      : simpits-tech at simpits.org
>Cc      : 
>Subject : RE: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders
quote....
>
 >> I'll ask around and see what I can find out about the
> PSI on these oxygen regulators. I should be able to
> find someone who knows.
>
Brian, can you also check to see what the feed
pressure is to the standard
demand oxygen panel is?

tnx!

g.

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 http://www.f15sim.com  - The only one of its kind.

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From roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk  Mon Mar 26 05:02:09 2007
From: roy at flightlab.liv.ac.uk (Roy Coates)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:02:09 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703221346580.87917-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0703261301350.19513-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Gene Buckle wrote:

> > > This fits the whole bunch of us:
> > >
> > > "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> >
> > SH1T !!  I never saw the line!!
> >
> It was that faint little black mark we passed about 8 years ago. :)


I now have a simulated line, joystick controlled, I've moved it further
away...


--

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Dept of Engineering.
Liverpool University.
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From geneb at deltasoft.com  Mon Mar 26 06:51:28 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 05:51:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0703261301350.19513-100000@nix.mechnet.liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703260551100.98569-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>

> > > > This fits the whole bunch of us:
> > > >
> > > > "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> > >
> > > SH1T !!  I never saw the line!!
> > >
> > It was that faint little black mark we passed about 8 years ago. :)
>
>
> I now have a simulated line, joystick controlled, I've moved it further
> away...
>
Hehehe.

g.

-- 
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Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.


From falcon4 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Mar 26 12:46:57 2007
From: falcon4 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Fagner)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:46:57 -0500
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
In-Reply-To: <026401c76f5e$fcf2fba0$0201a8c0@DARKWOLF2>
References: <01e901c76db7$d93747f0$0201a8c0@DARKWOLF2><Pine.BSF.4.44.0703232127220.90961-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com><005001c76e10$79df5500$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
	<026401c76f5e$fcf2fba0$0201a8c0@DARKWOLF2>
Message-ID: <00a601c76fdf$83cc8f80$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>

IIRC, one atmosphere measured in a column of water is 14 psi, adding 5-10
psi through a mask would hardly blow it off your face.  I can generate 5-10
psi (probably more) just blowing up a balloon.

If you think about the combat edge system, you'd need more than 1.2 psi
generated in a high G situation to even be able to breath.  The breathing
system of any jet will generate similar pressures (relatively speaking,
probably not exactly similar but the mechanism is analogous) to that of a
scuba system since you are dealing with having to expand the chest cavity
against an opposing force...G's for the pilot, pressure for the diver.

Finding the conversion for 1 atmosphere to in-H20 is 407.  So this manual
says a pilot shouldn't breath at pressure above 16 in-H2o, yet I'm breathing
at 407 in-H2o right now??

I'd double check those figures.

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
[mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:27 PM
To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Fagner" <falcon4 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'Simulator Cockpit tech list'" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 4:32 AM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....


> I would be sure that it's really properly filtered as there is a bunch of
> stuff in that air that would not be nice to your lungs.  Being a scuba
> diver, I decided using a scuba tank and a low pressure port from the
primary
> reg will be the way to go for me.  Low pressure primaries are around 150
> psi.  You can regulate that down to a nice 5-10 psi for the O2 mask.


5-10psi??   I have the current patent paperwork for the newest mask/g-suit
test kit...
Built to test the MBU-12/20 mask...  this is pulled directly from the
patent:

"...When the g-suit is not inflated, it is dangerous to breathe air at
pressures much above 16in/H2O."

Using a IN/H2O to PSI Conversion chart it is 0.5774psi.  5-10psi would blow
the mask off your face, or worse...

Continuing from the patent:

"When performing COMBAT EDGE testing, it is necessary to expose the user to
excessive breathing pressures.
Exposure to excessive breathing pressure can hurt the user.  It is only safe
under curtain conditions and
for limited periods of exposure.  Under no circumstances should the
breathing air pressure exceed 34 IN/H2O."

Converting 34 IN/H2O = 1.227psi...  (FYI - Combat Edge is the new positive
pressure system)

I currently do not have much other than CAD drawings of my cockpit done, I
have however put extensive time
picking up oddball parts (like my TTU-529/E test kit) in the hopes of
pulling out the parts to connect and use
the MBU-12 and CSU-13 g-suit with...  I couldn't find ANY literature for a
long time on the pressures being supplied
to the MBU-12, until I located this patent...   if anyone out that has
anything else or corrections, please send them!

I know we used a DeVilbiss dryer on the line in the shop.  What was after
that i cannot say for certain, the co-owner
still has the filters, and when I see her tomorrow I will get exact part
numbers for you...  it wasn't that expensive, and
with a new compressor dedicated to breathing air, and clean dry air for the
spray guns, we were up to code...

More to follow!  -- Scott

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From scerrito at adelphia.net  Mon Mar 26 14:06:51 2007
From: scerrito at adelphia.net (Scott)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:06:51 -0800
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
References: <01e901c76db7$d93747f0$0201a8c0@DARKWOLF2><Pine.BSF.4.44.0703232127220.90961-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com><005001c76e10$79df5500$1900a8c0@jaysoffice><026401c76f5e$fcf2fba0$0201a8c0@DARKWOLF2>
	<00a601c76fdf$83cc8f80$1900a8c0@jaysoffice>
Message-ID: <004001c76fea$aceeccb0$0201a8c0@DARKWOLF2>

I would love to check those figures, but I don't know where, I've pretty
much exhausted the internet for the pressure AFTER the regulator...  The
only thing I could come up with is the patent for the newest Air Combat Crew
Test Unit...   Believe you me, I thought those numbers were rediculous low,
but I have no other verification numbers...  I do know, with the scott air
packs, the positive pressure really isn't that positive, basically enough
that when you inhale and generate a neg pressure, the regulator opens...  (i
can ony assume that is how SCUBA works? never done that...)   I do not know
what that PSI is...

My plan was this...

Air compressor to TTU-529/E (the mil test kit) to mask and 12v variable
pressure soloniod to the CSU-13 g-suit...  (tied to the computer, I don't
know how yet, the devil is in the details...)

this mil test kit has all the necessary components to take an input from a
compressed air source and "power" both the mask and the testing of the
g-suit....  everything I needed to gut to fit into the consoles...

Prior to finding a working TTU-529, I was going to supply the system
directly... so I hunted for the regulated pressure, and that is all i could
find...  kinda a moot point now that I have the test kit...


BTW, back to the industrial air filter needed for breathing air, I do
remember that OSHA had a standard - "Grade D" for breathing air...   I did a
search for grade d filters and there are a ton, I just dont remember
shelling out that kinda money for the system we had at the paint shop...  I
need to bust into storage and see what goodies are still left...

More to come...

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Fagner" <falcon4 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'Simulator Cockpit tech list'" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....


> IIRC, one atmosphere measured in a column of water is 14 psi, adding 5-10
> psi through a mask would hardly blow it off your face.  I can generate
5-10
> psi (probably more) just blowing up a balloon.
>
> If you think about the combat edge system, you'd need more than 1.2 psi
> generated in a high G situation to even be able to breath.  The breathing
> system of any jet will generate similar pressures (relatively speaking,
> probably not exactly similar but the mechanism is analogous) to that of a
> scuba system since you are dealing with having to expand the chest cavity
> against an opposing force...G's for the pilot, pressure for the diver.
>
> Finding the conversion for 1 atmosphere to in-H20 is 407.  So this manual
> says a pilot shouldn't breath at pressure above 16 in-H2o, yet I'm
breathing
> at 407 in-H2o right now??
>
> I'd double check those figures.
>
> Jay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org
> [mailto:simpits-tech-bounces at simpits.org] On Behalf Of Scott
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:27 PM
> To: Simulator Cockpit tech list
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Fagner" <falcon4 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'Simulator Cockpit tech list'" <simpits-tech at simpits.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 4:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
>
>
> > I would be sure that it's really properly filtered as there is a bunch
of
> > stuff in that air that would not be nice to your lungs.  Being a scuba
> > diver, I decided using a scuba tank and a low pressure port from the
> primary
> > reg will be the way to go for me.  Low pressure primaries are around 150
> > psi.  You can regulate that down to a nice 5-10 psi for the O2 mask.
>
>
> 5-10psi??   I have the current patent paperwork for the newest mask/g-suit
> test kit...
> Built to test the MBU-12/20 mask...  this is pulled directly from the
> patent:
>
> "...When the g-suit is not inflated, it is dangerous to breathe air at
> pressures much above 16in/H2O."
>
> Using a IN/H2O to PSI Conversion chart it is 0.5774psi.  5-10psi would
blow
> the mask off your face, or worse...
>
> Continuing from the patent:
>
> "When performing COMBAT EDGE testing, it is necessary to expose the user
to
> excessive breathing pressures.
> Exposure to excessive breathing pressure can hurt the user.  It is only
safe
> under curtain conditions and
> for limited periods of exposure.  Under no circumstances should the
> breathing air pressure exceed 34 IN/H2O."
>
> Converting 34 IN/H2O = 1.227psi...  (FYI - Combat Edge is the new positive
> pressure system)
>
> I currently do not have much other than CAD drawings of my cockpit done, I
> have however put extensive time
> picking up oddball parts (like my TTU-529/E test kit) in the hopes of
> pulling out the parts to connect and use
> the MBU-12 and CSU-13 g-suit with...  I couldn't find ANY literature for a
> long time on the pressures being supplied
> to the MBU-12, until I located this patent...   if anyone out that has
> anything else or corrections, please send them!
>
> I know we used a DeVilbiss dryer on the line in the shop.  What was after
> that i cannot say for certain, the co-owner
> still has the filters, and when I see her tomorrow I will get exact part
> numbers for you...  it wasn't that expensive, and
> with a new compressor dedicated to breathing air, and clean dry air for
the
> spray guns, we were up to code...
>
> More to follow!  -- Scott
>
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From scerrito at adelphia.net  Mon Mar 26 19:17:44 2007
From: scerrito at adelphia.net (Scott)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:17:44 -0800
Subject: [simpits-tech] Cockpit builders quote....
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703251926160.97484-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>
Message-ID: <006d01c77016$1aed76f0$0201a8c0@DARKWOLF2>

Group,  for those that are interested, I dug up all the old stuff from the
shop, here is what I have...

Starting with a brand new compressor, the all copper lines fed to a
DeVILBISS Model HAF-601 Grade D Unit... Filters down to .01 micron, etc...
You can see the info here:
http://www.autorefinishdevilbiss.com/catalog/DeVilbiss_28.pdf
This system removes dirt, oil aerosols, water, and odor...

Remember, you are looking for a filter capable of providing -->  "Grade D"
Breathable air...

We never had a problem with this system, they filters are the coalescer and
centerfuge type...   they automatically bled the system, which was a plus...

I was recomended once, to get a screw or rotary type compressor, for a
supplied air line system...   didn't really look into that one, as well as a
air turbine (the one that powers a hvlp spray gun) but alas, i didn't look
into that one either...   I know that Willson safety products manufactures
oilless compressors expecially for powering respirators...

Hope this helps...
Scott

PS...  if anyone can PLEASE correct me on those psi numbers after the
regulator I would be in your debt!!!  How about a technical order for a
TTU-529?  :)


> >
>
> Thanks Scott, it's hugely appriciated!
>
> g.
>
> --
> "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"
>
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
>
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From terry at coslink.net  Tue Mar 27 10:25:07 2007
From: terry at coslink.net (terry at coslink.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:25:07 -0400
Subject: [simpits-tech] Panel lights dimmer
Message-ID: <c85e3049582943eeb445808437283ea5.terry@coslink.net>

Hello everbody...its been years since I've posted to the group but I always follow the posts 
everyday.

I am trying to add LED back lights to my panels and wish to have a dimming circuit.  I would like 
put 3 in series per leg and use +12v to power them.  I use PWM and some microchip logic to control 
and dim LEDs used on my landing gear panel but that is only 5 LEDs, each individually controlled 
directly by the chip.
 
Now the problem,  I would still like to to use PWM to dim the LEDs but every schematic I can find 
connects the B+ to the LEDs and uses a FET circuit between the LEDs and ground.  This would require 
2 extra wires to each panel. (+12v, -LED control)  Because all of my panels already have a ground 
wire I would like to place the circuit between the 12v supply and the LEDs.  That way only one 
extra wire needs to be run (+LED control), with the bottom of the LED circuit going to the common 
ground.
 
Does anyone have a schematic of such a circuit?  One that starts with logic level signals and 
floats the control to the +12V supply side.
 
Thanks in advance for your help.      
 
TerryM


From geneb at deltasoft.com  Fri Mar 30 22:25:33 2007
From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:25:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [simpits-tech] 727-100 flight simulator available.
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0703302121560.10875-100000@grumble.deltasoft.com>


A gent contacted me trying to find a home for a Conductron-Missouri
727-100 flight simulator, Serial #1.

This sim is nearly identical to the 727-200 I worked on years ago and
appears to be in great shape.  He said the only instruments that were
missing were the RMIs.

The instructor station is also included as you can see in picture #1.

I don't know how much he would like for the simulator, but be prepared for
a non-trivial freight charge.  The simulator tips the scales at
12,000lbs.

It does not include the hydraulics nor the computers.  This would be a
great interface project.

http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/727-1.jpg
http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/727-2.jpg
http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/727-3.jpg
http://www.simpits.org/~geneb/727-4.jpg

Please contact me off list if you're interested and I'll put you in
contact with the owner.  The simulator is currently located in Texas.

g.


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